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(18,133 posts)A Little Weird
(1,754 posts)kag
(4,079 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)tularetom
(23,664 posts)Nobody!
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)had been in charge when we commited to the space race, the Voting Rights Act, the Civil Rights Act, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, the New Deal, and so on. The new democrats are really pissing on the graves of the 20th century democrats who got all of that stuff done. That's why the party enrollment is almost dead.
RickHworth
(123 posts)to "Why Bother!"
zeemike
(18,998 posts)And no one seemed to notice it.
ybbor
(1,554 posts)It's stupid to even consider it.
It like the "Settlers" ad for, I think, Directv. We have all we need now, why aspire for more?
Javaman
(62,530 posts)it's as if he chose instead " don't let the good, be the enemy of good enough".
chervilant
(8,267 posts)from "Hope and Change" to "We can't afford it!"
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)"What am I supposed to do? Those mean Republicans hate women!"
cackles
"That should keep the peasants satisfied for a while. Now, where's the Seventh Fleet, there's stuff I need to bomb."
We better get used to it, that's the game plan.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)chwaliszewski
(1,514 posts)ffr
(22,670 posts)The GOP would have had their wheels coming off about going to the moon. Could you imagine too, if just a handful of democrats didn't come out to support the democratic candidate, Kennedy, in that election because of petty differences of opinion with the democratic nominee? How different our nation's history would be!!
Time will tell if we have learned anything from our triumphs of the past.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)That is incredibly ignorant of the issues.
Hm. There is a list for posts like that.
/ignore.
ffr
(22,670 posts)The democratic party if Bernie's the nominee and the democratic party & Bernie Sanders if Hillary Clinton is the nominee. Imagine the political power Bernie would have under HRC as president and with a democratic majority in congress. That's what I'm fighting for. You?
Either we team up and achieve or you can pout and take your toys onto 2020. It's your choice. I'm voting for the democratic nominee and achieving greatness.
History shows which side the ignorant one is on.
If us Bernie Sanders fans want to make big changes, we need to elect Hillary if she is the Dem candidate.
If Trump wins, our progressive agenda will die on the vine.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)I don't think you have noticed but nothing progressive has happened in the last 7 years with a democratic president...his big achievement is Romney Care...and we still have Gitmo and more wars in the middle east than Bush had...Libya, Yemen, Syria. and Iraq still a mess.
The Bush tax cuts for the rich made permanent...GOP appointments...Wall street still running wild...the list is astounding.
There can be no big changes until the change is at the top. and we change our voting habits that allow it.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Here: http://pleasecutthecrap.com/obama-accomplishments/
Click the link and start reading.
smDh.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)With such vague things like "Changed the Culture of the Executive Branch"
Even a Bush could say they did that.
But what about the important things like Gitmo, war, drone strikes,...those things don't matter to you I suppose...or I suppose the mean old GOP just would not let him do it.
But of course if I complain it is because I am a racist right...will that be your next post?
Or that I never loved him and wanted Romney to win...or that I am not a real Democrat...because I don't pretend he is the best president ever.
MADem
(135,425 posts)He could cure cancer and it wouldn't be enough for you.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)And in fact cured nothing.
For instance the first one
What ever happened to that audit?...did anything change?
MADem
(135,425 posts)Do you think letting employees unionize is good? Obama does. How about preventing bosses from spending federal money on lawyers, advertising, and other forms of 'persuasion' to prevent them from unionizing-that's probably a good move, too, huh? They can still do it, but We The People aren't paying for it anymore.
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the Federal Property and Administrative Services Act, 40 U.S.C. 101 et seq., it is hereby ordered that:
Section 1. To promote economy and efficiency in Government contracting, certain costs that are not directly related to the contractors' provision of goods and services to the Government shall be unallowable for payment, thereby directly reducing Government expenditures. This order is also consistent with the policy of the United States to remain impartial concerning any labor-management dispute involving Government contractors. This order does not restrict the manner in which recipients of Federal funds may expend those funds.
Sec. 2. It is the policy of the executive branch in procuring goods and services that, to ensure the economical and efficient administration of Government contracts, contracting departments and agencies, when they enter into, receive proposals for, or make disbursements pursuant to a contract as to which certain costs are treated as unallowable, shall treat as unallowable the costs of any activities undertaken to persuade employees -- whether employees of the recipient of the Federal disbursements or of any other entity -- to exercise or not to exercise, or concerning the manner of exercising, the right to organize and bargain collectively through representatives of the employees' own choosing. Such unallowable costs shall be excluded from any billing, claim, proposal, or disbursement applicable to any such Federal Government contract.
Sec. 3. Notwithstanding section 2 of this order, contracting departments and agencies shall treat as allowable costs incurred in maintaining satisfactory relations between the contractor and its employees, including costs of labor-management committees, employee publications (other than those undertaken to persuade employees to exercise or not to exercise, or concerning the manner of exercising, the right to organize and bargain collectively), and other related activities. See 48 C.F.R. 31.205-21.
Sec. 4. Examples of costs unallowable under section 2 of this order include the costs of the following activities, when they are undertaken to persuade employees to exercise or not to exercise, or concern the manner of exercising, rights to organize and bargain collectively:
(a) preparing and distributing materials;
(b) hiring or consulting legal counsel or consultants;
(c) holding meetings (including paying the salaries of the attendees at meetings held for this purpose); and
(d) planning or conducting activities by managers, supervisors, or union representatives during work hours.
Sec. 5. Within 150 days of the effective date of this order, the Federal Acquisition Regulatory Council (FAR Council) shall adopt such rules and regulations and issue such orders as are deemed necessary and appropriate to carry out this order. Such rules, regulations, and orders shall minimize the costs of compliance for contractors and shall not interfere with the ability of contractors to engage in advocacy through activities for which they do not claim reimbursement.
Sec. 6. Each contracting department or agency shall cooperate with the FAR Council and provide such information and assistance as the FAR Council may require in the performance of its functions under this order.
Sec. 7. (a) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.
(b) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.
Sec. 8. This order shall become effective immediately, and shall apply to contracts resulting from solicitations issued on or after the effective date of the action taken by the FAR Council under section 5 of this order.
BARACK OBAMA
THE WHITE HOUSE,
January 30, 2009.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)And for some people that is all they want or need because they don't give a damn about results.
And this is funny in that order...
(b) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.
In other words only if the money is appropriated by congress and has no teeth in it to be enforced.
Just a bunch of words.
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)That was corruption at its absolute worst.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Noisy, destructive, unfocused. He'll hit the vine and send bits of it flying in every fucking direction. So elect Clinton... who will hose the vine with weed killer and go have some champagne with Donald Trump while waiting for the vine to die "on its own."
This election is a lose-lose for the progressive agenda. The only question is what form the loss will take. Rapid destruction or slow, irreversible rot.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Under no circumstances will we ever get single payer! Hillary made that perfectly clear!
Seems to me single payer is a "greater thing". All of Western Europe already enjoys the savings while we pay pirates exorbitant fees to deny us care.
Something is very wrong with this picture. Look at the cartoon again. Maybe you will catch the not so hidden meaning.
elljay
(1,178 posts)We would have had a Republican president, Richard Nixon, whose policies are remarkably close to those of Hillary Clinton.
http://millercenter.org/president/biography/nixon-domestic-affairs
http://nixonfoundation.org/10-policy-achievements.php
BuelahWitch
(9,083 posts)which a lot of people considered almost as bad at that time because they felt he'd get his marching orders from Rome.
yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)if Fox News started in 1963!!!
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)klook
(12,155 posts)Does he think there are UNICORNS on the moon??!1
SamKnause
(13,107 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)These days we reserve our "can do" attitude for cutting taxes, attacking other countries, and depressing wages and benefits.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)drokhole
(1,230 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)and the Cold War.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)And today we have the rest of the civilized world doing things the US apparently "can't".
So we have the rest of the civilized world to inspire us to join them.
But that won't happen with "pragmatic" kow towing to corporations and greed.
nxylas
(6,440 posts)Fear is the primary motivator, in this case, fear that if the Russkies put a man on the moon first, they'd, I dunno, beam down space cooties or something.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)We're not broke
We have plenty of things that need to get done.... mostly from conservative (Repug and Dem) neglect.
We also have the means.... and most citizens have the desire to do the things that need to get done.
We have politicians that do not represent any of these notions above.
We do have a potential nominee that does.
surrealAmerican
(11,361 posts)brilliant
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Seems like you wrote it for me and all the other millions of Bernie Sanders supporters. Thank you!
FighttheFuture
(1,313 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Android3.14
(5,402 posts)And Tom never mentioned either candidate.
ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)Iwillnevergiveup
(9,298 posts)One of Tom's best ever.
K&R
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Hydra
(14,459 posts)Are we supposed to believe that we can accomplish ABSOLUTELY NOTHING that does not involve subsidizing the 1%??
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)each of whos members must oppose bills by Democratic Presidents if they want to be re-nominated.
Sure, same thing as an effort to achieve a scientific goal that is inspiring to all. Keep telling yourselves that.
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stevenleser
(32,886 posts)In my opinion the folks at Skunk works can do just about anything.
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liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)KG
(28,751 posts)LiberalArkie
(15,716 posts)health care system.
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)Buddyblazon
(3,014 posts)Gnashing their teeth...some of these people are REALLY hardcore on the Can't thing. So much so that they actually seem to be upset that somebody suggests we actually can.
It would suck to have that approach to life.
The oddest part is they don't seem to get its not actually about getting it accomplished. It's about believing you can and attempting to make it a reality. Failure seems to be a major fear for AmeriCANTS. So their message is don't even try.
I don't have any AmeriCANTS in my massive circle of friends. Now I remember why. Nobody likes the fear of failure people mucking up peoples goals.