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This Modern World (Original Post) LiberalArkie May 2016 OP
spot on tk2kewl May 2016 #1
I regret that I have only 1 rec to give A Little Weird May 2016 #2
What ever happened to the DUzy's??? kag May 2016 #11
Me too! Enthusiast May 2016 #30
Nobody says it as succinctly and effectively as Mr Tomorrow tularetom May 2016 #3
I sometimes wonder where we would be as a nation if the Obama/Clinton wing of the party Doctor_J May 2016 #4
That's because we went from"Hope and Change" RickHworth May 2016 #15
And from "Yes we can" to "no we can't" zeemike May 2016 #19
"No we Can't! No we Can't!" ybbor May 2016 #38
this why Obama's famous quote of "don't let the perfect be the enemy of good" was is so amusing now. Javaman May 2016 #68
More like chervilant May 2016 #37
"It's just too hard!" Ikonoklast May 2016 #42
Massive plus one! Enthusiast May 2016 #31
"Hope For Change" & "Yes, We Can't!" chwaliszewski May 2016 #55
Could you imagine if Kennedy was half black? ffr May 2016 #5
Petty differences of opinion? Really? Maedhros May 2016 #9
We need your vote to achieve greater things ffr May 2016 #13
I agree padfun May 2016 #17
Seems like it is dead already. zeemike May 2016 #20
Are you serious? You are really saying that Obama accomplished NOTHING???? MADem May 2016 #48
Aw yes the gish gallop of accomplishments. zeemike May 2016 #50
Unbelievable. MADem May 2016 #51
None of that you linked too comes even close to cureing cancer zeemike May 2016 #52
Did you read the actual executive order you cited and see what it says? MADem May 2016 #53
Words...lots of words. zeemike May 2016 #65
If Hillary supporters want our, then they'd better stop pulling stunts like they did in Nevada. liberalnarb May 2016 #28
Massive plus one! Enthusiast May 2016 #33
Talking of vines, Trump is indeed a weedwhacker Scootaloo May 2016 #41
Really? Well Hillary has already said that we can never ever have single payer. Enthusiast May 2016 #32
What would have happened? elljay May 2016 #21
Not half black, but he was a Catholic BuelahWitch May 2016 #44
Just imagine where we would be yuiyoshida May 2016 #6
Now make Kennedy a Republican and see the fawning of the pundits. Spitfire of ATJ May 2016 #7
Single Payload will never work! klook May 2016 #8
Soul crushing truth. SamKnause May 2016 #10
Boom! Scuba May 2016 #12
Right on target RufusTFirefly May 2016 #14
Giant plus one! Enthusiast May 2016 #35
that CRAZY scheme ... Prince and The REVOLUTION is right: Hiraeth May 2016 #16
The Black & White adds authenticity Octafish May 2016 #18
Brilliant. nt drokhole May 2016 #22
The Moon just wants Free Stuff!!!11 arcane1 May 2016 #23
The inspiration for the moon landing was Yuri Gagarin sufrommich May 2016 #24
Indeed. AlbertCat May 2016 #26
But we're not afraid of Scandinavia nxylas May 2016 #39
Egg-zackly! AlbertCat May 2016 #25
k & r surrealAmerican May 2016 #27
Kicked and recommended! Tom, did you write this for me? Enthusiast May 2016 #29
As usual, Tom Tomorrow hits it out of the park!!! K+R! FighttheFuture May 2016 #34
This toon deserves hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast May 2016 #36
Clinton Lameness Articulated billhicks76 May 2016 #40
Amazing pro Bernie cartoon reveals Hillary's essential defect Android3.14 May 2016 #43
Sums It ALL Up! n/t ChiciB1 May 2016 #45
Thanks, LiberalArkie Iwillnevergiveup May 2016 #46
Hillspeak in cartoon form AgingAmerican May 2016 #47
This sums up my utter bewilderment at the status quo Hydra May 2016 #49
Right, because its the same thing as getting bills past this obstructionist GOP House. stevenleser May 2016 #54
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague May 2016 #58
Are you kidding, I was already asleep half way through your sentence. nt stevenleser May 2016 #59
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague May 2016 #60
Something close to that for fusion power is happening. Skunk works is on the job stevenleser May 2016 #61
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague May 2016 #62
K&R liberal_at_heart May 2016 #56
KICK AND REC Warren DeMontague May 2016 #57
if there was some military use for single payer health care we'd have it already.. KG May 2016 #63
It really could replace the separate VA hospital and medical system with cradle to grave LiberalArkie May 2016 #67
it's tragic because it's true mhatrw May 2016 #64
The AmeriCANTS in this thread... Buddyblazon May 2016 #66
 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
4. I sometimes wonder where we would be as a nation if the Obama/Clinton wing of the party
Mon May 16, 2016, 11:37 AM
May 2016

had been in charge when we commited to the space race, the Voting Rights Act, the Civil Rights Act, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, the New Deal, and so on. The new democrats are really pissing on the graves of the 20th century democrats who got all of that stuff done. That's why the party enrollment is almost dead.

ybbor

(1,554 posts)
38. "No we Can't! No we Can't!"
Mon May 16, 2016, 02:16 PM
May 2016

It's stupid to even consider it.

It like the "Settlers" ad for, I think, Directv. We have all we need now, why aspire for more?

Javaman

(62,530 posts)
68. this why Obama's famous quote of "don't let the perfect be the enemy of good" was is so amusing now.
Tue May 17, 2016, 11:16 AM
May 2016

it's as if he chose instead " don't let the good, be the enemy of good enough".

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
42. "It's just too hard!"
Mon May 16, 2016, 04:37 PM
May 2016
shrugs shoulders

"What am I supposed to do? Those mean Republicans hate women!"

cackles

"That should keep the peasants satisfied for a while. Now, where's the Seventh Fleet, there's stuff I need to bomb."





We better get used to it, that's the game plan.

ffr

(22,670 posts)
5. Could you imagine if Kennedy was half black?
Mon May 16, 2016, 11:50 AM
May 2016

The GOP would have had their wheels coming off about going to the moon. Could you imagine too, if just a handful of democrats didn't come out to support the democratic candidate, Kennedy, in that election because of petty differences of opinion with the democratic nominee? How different our nation's history would be!!



Time will tell if we have learned anything from our triumphs of the past.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
9. Petty differences of opinion? Really?
Mon May 16, 2016, 12:07 PM
May 2016

That is incredibly ignorant of the issues.

Hm. There is a list for posts like that.

/ignore.

ffr

(22,670 posts)
13. We need your vote to achieve greater things
Mon May 16, 2016, 12:17 PM
May 2016

The democratic party if Bernie's the nominee and the democratic party & Bernie Sanders if Hillary Clinton is the nominee. Imagine the political power Bernie would have under HRC as president and with a democratic majority in congress. That's what I'm fighting for. You?

Either we team up and achieve or you can pout and take your toys onto 2020. It's your choice. I'm voting for the democratic nominee and achieving greatness.

History shows which side the ignorant one is on.

padfun

(1,786 posts)
17. I agree
Mon May 16, 2016, 12:33 PM
May 2016

If us Bernie Sanders fans want to make big changes, we need to elect Hillary if she is the Dem candidate.

If Trump wins, our progressive agenda will die on the vine.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
20. Seems like it is dead already.
Mon May 16, 2016, 01:05 PM
May 2016

I don't think you have noticed but nothing progressive has happened in the last 7 years with a democratic president...his big achievement is Romney Care...and we still have Gitmo and more wars in the middle east than Bush had...Libya, Yemen, Syria. and Iraq still a mess.
The Bush tax cuts for the rich made permanent...GOP appointments...Wall street still running wild...the list is astounding.

There can be no big changes until the change is at the top. and we change our voting habits that allow it.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
50. Aw yes the gish gallop of accomplishments.
Tue May 17, 2016, 12:22 AM
May 2016

With such vague things like "Changed the Culture of the Executive Branch"
Even a Bush could say they did that.

But what about the important things like Gitmo, war, drone strikes,...those things don't matter to you I suppose...or I suppose the mean old GOP just would not let him do it.

But of course if I complain it is because I am a racist right...will that be your next post?
Or that I never loved him and wanted Romney to win...or that I am not a real Democrat...because I don't pretend he is the best president ever.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
52. None of that you linked too comes even close to cureing cancer
Tue May 17, 2016, 12:33 AM
May 2016

And in fact cured nothing.

For instance the first one

Within his first week, he signed an Executive Order ordering an audit of government contracts, and combating waste and abuse. http://1.usa.gov/dUvbu5


What ever happened to that audit?...did anything change?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
53. Did you read the actual executive order you cited and see what it says?
Tue May 17, 2016, 12:56 AM
May 2016


Do you think letting employees unionize is good? Obama does. How about preventing bosses from spending federal money on lawyers, advertising, and other forms of 'persuasion' to prevent them from unionizing-that's probably a good move, too, huh? They can still do it, but We The People aren't paying for it anymore.


ECONOMY IN GOVERNMENT CONTRACTING
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the Federal Property and Administrative Services Act, 40 U.S.C. 101 et seq., it is hereby ordered that:
Section 1. To promote economy and efficiency in Government contracting, certain costs that are not directly related to the contractors' provision of goods and services to the Government shall be unallowable for payment, thereby directly reducing Government expenditures. This order is also consistent with the policy of the United States to remain impartial concerning any labor-management dispute involving Government contractors. This order does not restrict the manner in which recipients of Federal funds may expend those funds.
Sec. 2. It is the policy of the executive branch in procuring goods and services that, to ensure the economical and efficient administration of Government contracts, contracting departments and agencies, when they enter into, receive proposals for, or make disbursements pursuant to a contract as to which certain costs are treated as unallowable, shall treat as unallowable the costs of any activities undertaken to persuade employees -- whether employees of the recipient of the Federal disbursements or of any other entity -- to exercise or not to exercise, or concerning the manner of exercising, the right to organize and bargain collectively through representatives of the employees' own choosing. Such unallowable costs shall be excluded from any billing, claim, proposal, or disbursement applicable to any such Federal Government contract.
Sec. 3. Notwithstanding section 2 of this order, contracting departments and agencies shall treat as allowable costs incurred in maintaining satisfactory relations between the contractor and its employees, including costs of labor-management committees, employee publications (other than those undertaken to persuade employees to exercise or not to exercise, or concerning the manner of exercising, the right to organize and bargain collectively), and other related activities. See 48 C.F.R. 31.205-21.
Sec. 4. Examples of costs unallowable under section 2 of this order include the costs of the following activities, when they are undertaken to persuade employees to exercise or not to exercise, or concern the manner of exercising, rights to organize and bargain collectively:
(a) preparing and distributing materials;
(b) hiring or consulting legal counsel or consultants;
(c) holding meetings (including paying the salaries of the attendees at meetings held for this purpose); and
(d) planning or conducting activities by managers, supervisors, or union representatives during work hours.
Sec. 5. Within 150 days of the effective date of this order, the Federal Acquisition Regulatory Council (FAR Council) shall adopt such rules and regulations and issue such orders as are deemed necessary and appropriate to carry out this order. Such rules, regulations, and orders shall minimize the costs of compliance for contractors and shall not interfere with the ability of contractors to engage in advocacy through activities for which they do not claim reimbursement.
Sec. 6. Each contracting department or agency shall cooperate with the FAR Council and provide such information and assistance as the FAR Council may require in the performance of its functions under this order.
Sec. 7. (a) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.
(b) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.
Sec. 8. This order shall become effective immediately, and shall apply to contracts resulting from solicitations issued on or after the effective date of the action taken by the FAR Council under section 5 of this order.
BARACK OBAMA
THE WHITE HOUSE,
January 30, 2009.



zeemike

(18,998 posts)
65. Words...lots of words.
Tue May 17, 2016, 09:28 AM
May 2016

And for some people that is all they want or need because they don't give a damn about results.

And this is funny in that order...

Sec. 7. (a) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.
(b) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.


In other words only if the money is appropriated by congress and has no teeth in it to be enforced.
Just a bunch of words.
 

liberalnarb

(4,532 posts)
28. If Hillary supporters want our, then they'd better stop pulling stunts like they did in Nevada.
Mon May 16, 2016, 01:38 PM
May 2016

That was corruption at its absolute worst.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
41. Talking of vines, Trump is indeed a weedwhacker
Mon May 16, 2016, 03:39 PM
May 2016

Noisy, destructive, unfocused. He'll hit the vine and send bits of it flying in every fucking direction. So elect Clinton... who will hose the vine with weed killer and go have some champagne with Donald Trump while waiting for the vine to die "on its own."



This election is a lose-lose for the progressive agenda. The only question is what form the loss will take. Rapid destruction or slow, irreversible rot.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
32. Really? Well Hillary has already said that we can never ever have single payer.
Mon May 16, 2016, 01:51 PM
May 2016

Under no circumstances will we ever get single payer! Hillary made that perfectly clear!

Seems to me single payer is a "greater thing". All of Western Europe already enjoys the savings while we pay pirates exorbitant fees to deny us care.

Something is very wrong with this picture. Look at the cartoon again. Maybe you will catch the not so hidden meaning.

BuelahWitch

(9,083 posts)
44. Not half black, but he was a Catholic
Mon May 16, 2016, 07:24 PM
May 2016

which a lot of people considered almost as bad at that time because they felt he'd get his marching orders from Rome.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
14. Right on target
Mon May 16, 2016, 12:20 PM
May 2016

These days we reserve our "can do" attitude for cutting taxes, attacking other countries, and depressing wages and benefits.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
26. Indeed.
Mon May 16, 2016, 01:34 PM
May 2016

And today we have the rest of the civilized world doing things the US apparently "can't".

So we have the rest of the civilized world to inspire us to join them.

But that won't happen with "pragmatic" kow towing to corporations and greed.

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
39. But we're not afraid of Scandinavia
Mon May 16, 2016, 02:50 PM
May 2016

Fear is the primary motivator, in this case, fear that if the Russkies put a man on the moon first, they'd, I dunno, beam down space cooties or something.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
25. Egg-zackly!
Mon May 16, 2016, 01:31 PM
May 2016

We're not broke
We have plenty of things that need to get done.... mostly from conservative (Repug and Dem) neglect.
We also have the means.... and most citizens have the desire to do the things that need to get done.
We have politicians that do not represent any of these notions above.

We do have a potential nominee that does.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
29. Kicked and recommended! Tom, did you write this for me?
Mon May 16, 2016, 01:45 PM
May 2016

Seems like you wrote it for me and all the other millions of Bernie Sanders supporters. Thank you!

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
43. Amazing pro Bernie cartoon reveals Hillary's essential defect
Mon May 16, 2016, 06:48 PM
May 2016

And Tom never mentioned either candidate.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
49. This sums up my utter bewilderment at the status quo
Tue May 17, 2016, 12:15 AM
May 2016

Are we supposed to believe that we can accomplish ABSOLUTELY NOTHING that does not involve subsidizing the 1%??

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
54. Right, because its the same thing as getting bills past this obstructionist GOP House.
Tue May 17, 2016, 12:59 AM
May 2016

each of whos members must oppose bills by Democratic Presidents if they want to be re-nominated.

Sure, same thing as an effort to achieve a scientific goal that is inspiring to all. Keep telling yourselves that.

Response to stevenleser (Reply #54)

Response to stevenleser (Reply #59)

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
61. Something close to that for fusion power is happening. Skunk works is on the job
Tue May 17, 2016, 03:00 AM
May 2016
http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/products/compact-fusion.html

In my opinion the folks at Skunk works can do just about anything.

Response to stevenleser (Reply #61)

LiberalArkie

(15,716 posts)
67. It really could replace the separate VA hospital and medical system with cradle to grave
Tue May 17, 2016, 10:03 AM
May 2016

health care system.

 

Buddyblazon

(3,014 posts)
66. The AmeriCANTS in this thread...
Tue May 17, 2016, 09:58 AM
May 2016

Gnashing their teeth...some of these people are REALLY hardcore on the Can't thing. So much so that they actually seem to be upset that somebody suggests we actually can.

It would suck to have that approach to life.

The oddest part is they don't seem to get its not actually about getting it accomplished. It's about believing you can and attempting to make it a reality. Failure seems to be a major fear for AmeriCANTS. So their message is don't even try.

I don't have any AmeriCANTS in my massive circle of friends. Now I remember why. Nobody likes the fear of failure people mucking up peoples goals.

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