Will you be shocked or even surprised if Dirty Donny wins the general election?

[cali]

I won't be.

[AirmensMom]

1. Nope. n/t

[MariaThinks]

39. i like it: Dirty Donny with the small hands and the kidlike personality

[mainstreetonce]

43. Dirty Donny Smallhands

Pass it on

[libdem4life]

76. No. We don't need to stoop to these levels of ridicule.

It sounds like an elementary school playground.

[cyberswede]

2. No.

I'll be more surprised if he doesn't.

This country reelected GWB, for pete's sake.

[Wounded Bear]

3. What I really fear is something built into the Constitution...

It is entirely possible, if not likely, that Trump could lose the popular vote by a somewhat large margin (can we say "landslide?&quot and still lose the Electoral College vote. It has happened several times on close votes, I fear that it might happen here and now with a not-so-close vote. Almost none of the electoral college votes are actually tied by law to follow the popular vote in the state that awards them, and only a couple of states award them proportionally.

Could we have a Bush 2000 happen again on a grand scale? I fear that we could.

[no_hypocrisy]

4. No, I won't be surprised because it isn't 1964 anymore.

Since Reagan and Baby Bush, I'm convinced that Barry Goldwater could have won if he hadn't run in 1964 when the media, the black box voting, conservative thinktanks, and the fundraising wasn't organized to make a loser into a winner.

[underpants]

5. Yes. It is extremely hard for any Repub to win a national election

It's more than the MSM spoon fed demographics thing. First the nation isn't gerrymandered like that house races. If anything the Electoral Colkege is an anti-gerrymanderer.

Second, the numbers are clearly on the Dem side. At 10pm when they start calling eastern states add 78 to the Dem number (CA OR WA HI) and 3 to the Repubs (Alaska). That 78 is about 30% of the 270 needed. A repub would have to win every single battleground and reclaim old sure fire states like Virginia.

I've said this for more than 2 years - it will probably end as it started. Hillary will be President. Everything has been drama which IS the MSM's only product now. I've said this from the start - the 2 things that could stop any Dem candidate is voter apathy and the other side from the primaries not showing up. The anti- votinf measures of the Repubs could have effect too. And we have found out that the registration process in some states is a mess

[patricia92243]

6. I keep changing my mind. If voting were done honestly, Trump would lose.

But polling places will have long lines, traffic blocked and all the other ways that Republicans make sure Democratic areas cannot be easily accessed. Because of that big factor, Trump would win.

[tblue37]

13. THIS! nt

[Loudestlib]

61. All-GOP controlled states outnumber all-Democratic states 24-7

"Americans for Tax Reform produced the map showing that 146 million Americans live in all-GOP states compared to 49 million in all-Democratic states. Another 112 million live in states where the party of the governor and legislature are different."

It's from Norquist but if it's true, it's a problem.

[Agschmid]

126. Lol... Mass even has a republican governor.

[Kittycat]

128. She certainly isn't winning fans with the cheating

Like that which occured in NV yesterday. Disgraceful display, for what? A couple delegates?

[Katashi_itto]

7. Nope

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

8. Nope. I don't believe that independants will vote

for the Dem...seeing how many of them weren't allowed to vote in closed primaries.

They may just stay home.



Another DWS win!

[AngryOldDem]

17. Or vote Green.

[Mother Of Four]

148. I'm starting to see a lot of Jill Stein reposts on my FB feed. (sigh)

She wouldn't be awful, but it shows how disillusioned people are with same old/same old/and more of the same old politics. It seems like the less likely it is that Bernie will win the nom, the more people are starting to look for an alternative.

[AngryOldDem]

150. Among my son's IRL and online friends, this is what they will do.

He just graduated college and this is his first presidential election where he can vote. He takes part in a lot of political discussions both online and off, and I was curious as to whether it was true in his circles if people would either vote Trump or stay home (as the DNC and media want us to believe). He said they would either write in Bernie or vote for Jill Stein. Right now I think he is of the mind to vote Green.

No way the people he knows would EVER vote for Trump.

I think when it's all said and done the political process will be changed after this election -- people are flat fed up.

[LiberalArkie]

19. I think that if there is a down ballot candidate to vote for then they will probably go Green.

If there is no one else on the ballot that interests them, then they will not be bother to take time off work to vote. After the way the independents and the young have been treated especially by the Nevada Mafia Convention, they really don't see the need to do it.

It maybe 1968 all over again. The party does not know that things have changed. People don't get their information and entertainment from the local TV stations, or even cable TV anymore. They have a wide variety of sources. The independents today may choose a Green candidate and a Democratic Governor and a local republican for mayor. If there isn't a person they like running for a certain office, they have no problem not voting for anyone for that office.

[Shadowflash]

62. Agreed.

If someone has no say in the choosing of the nominee, why in the hell would people expect someone to be loyal to, or even vote for, a nominee they had no say in?

[doc03]

9. Not at all, I bet he wins. There won't be any real problems with their convention

like everyone has predicted. It looks like it will be the Democratic convention that will be a battle. The longer we have
Hillary getting hit from Trump and our own Democrats the better his chances.

[left-of-center2012]

10. At this point, I expect Trump to win

And most Americans will bitch and moan, many of whom didn't vote.

[JHB]

11. Fear, yes. Surprised? Not really nearly enough.

[titaniumsalute]

12. I will be shocked because of math

Trump is really hated by Hispanics. Let's 10% vote for him. Trump is really hated by Blacks. Let's say he gets about 5% of them. Women (Dem and Independents) really dislike him. If Trump gets 60% of the female vote there is no way he wins. Period.

The only way he DOES win is if they three voting blocks don't show up.

[Turin_C3PO]

70. Or

if more than 70% of white men vote for him. I doubt that'll happen though.

[riderinthestorm]

71. Unfortunately Latinos vote overwhelmingly for Trump avg is 45 -60%

In the past even against Latinos Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz. Check past stats.

They love his immigration message. Most latinos I know hate that their brethren "jumped the line" so to speak and came illegally while they waited their turn.

Trump has also never gotten less than 30% of Republican women either. Cruz typically won @60% of women voters - those hard core conservative women supporters certainly won't vote for Hillary. Which leaves Kasich's moderate women voters - @ 10%. Certainly not enough to break Trump's lock.

Black voters? There's always a small percentage that vote Republican but that rarely breaks 10% anyway. The Republicans are not banking on much higher anyway.

Trump's got a very solid chance. If the Democratic candidate is Hillary, whose a very weak candidate, I presume Trump wins.

[titaniumsalute]

81. I'd love to see your data

More than 90 percent of Latinos view Trump in a negative light. Yes some are voting for him but in many states you must vote your party affiliation. So quoting who has voted for Trump in the primaries doesn't really mean much.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/poll-trump-poised-get-lowest-vote-ever-among-latinos-n559741

Just wait for the "Mexicans are rapists" commercials to start up again.

[riderinthestorm]

87. Just Google it. There's a lot of links. Here's a few

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/apr/20/donald-trump-overwhelmingly-wins-hispanic-vote-nyc/
(Trump won 61% of the Latino New York vote)


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/24/donald-trump-apparently-won-the-latino-vote-in-nevada-it-doesnt-mean-latinos-suddenly-love-him/
(Nevada he won 45% of the Latino vote)

Here's the most recent poll from 5/13 and Trump leads Hillary 55 -45 among Latinos.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/13/new-poll-trump-leading-hillary-with-hispanic-voters/

[titaniumsalute]

98. You are sounding like a shill for the right-wing my friend

First off...you are sourcing the Washington Times?? Which by the way that article was actually written at Brietbart. I'd source Fox news before the Wash Times or Brietbart.

1. Did you read the article? Trump did not win 61% of the Latino Vote. New York has a closed Primary. He might have won 50% of registered Republican Hispanic vote...which is a very small fraction of overall Hispanic voters. Here see the registered Dems versus Reps by County in New York and NYC. Look at the registered Republicans and THEN think about the Hispanic populatiopn of those Republicans. It is a small small fraction.

http://www.elections.ny.gov/NYSBOE/enrollment/county/county_apr16.pdf

2. In Nevada, yes the Republican latino vote picked Trump. Over Cruz and Kasich. Are you surprised by that? I'm not. The Republican Hispanic voter is a small fraction compared to the Democratic Hispanic voter. The article even explains this.

3. One recent poll...from Gravis (a mostly bullshit polling company...you can Google that yourself) means nothing.

Trump will lose the National Latino vote by at least 75%. Save this post...hit me on November 3rd later this year.

[rockfordfile]

125. I agree sounds like a shill

[whatthehey]

158. Among REPUBLICAN Latinos. Those data parse a tiny portion only.

That's like saying the vast majority of 7' tall women prefer Brand X shoes. Brand X may still be utterly ignored by almost all women taken as a whole.

[Nevernose]

114. Republican primary Latinos vote for Trump

A majority of Latinos, however, support anyone BUT Trump.

[MH1]

14. Horrified but not shocked.

I would say "a little surprised perhaps" but that is relevant to where we are now. I suspect if he wins, he'll be close enough in the polls in the days leading up to the election that I won't be surprised the night of.

As of now I don't think he has very much chance if the Dems do a half decent job of the campaign and GOTV. However the Democratic Party has an impressive record of shooting itself in the foot. (Might have something to do with circular firing squads.)

[AngryOldDem]

15. Nope. Not at all.

General ignorance, like chickens, typically comes home to roost. I'm just sorry that the rest of us, who did see it coming, will also have to suffer.

[RKP5637]

136. As America descends into Idiocracy, Trump becomes the more viable winner in 2016. Also, IMO,

the DNC/DLC/DWS/HRC are severely miscalculating the millions of voters fed up with both establishments. The GE will likely be a frightening and depressing spectacle.

[truebrit71]

16. Nope.

Especially if Hillary is the nominee. That would pretty much guarantee he wins.

Plus, there's a metric fuck-tonne of selfish, stupid people in this country...

[-none]

37. Only a metric

fuck-tonne? I think you badly misoverestimate the people in this country. It is worse that that. I blame our education racket in this country for producing adults that have never learned to think.

[RKP5637]

138. I think about 1/2 of the US is comprised of raging fools when they vote! n/t

[malthaussen]

18. Anything is possible.

One calculates some things as more likely than others, but it is rather fallacious to make a determinate answer about an indeterminate question. I don't consider it likely at present that Mr Trump will be elected POTUS, but there is a lot of time left and any number of things could happen.

-- Mal

[6chars]

54. agree exactly

[Hayduke Bomgarte]

20. I won't be surprised. I will be shocked.

Shocked because:

In the run-up to Boy George stealing his first term, I told anyone who would listen, that were he to get into the Oval Office, within 2 years, we'd see gas prices rise to outrageous levels. We'd be in at least 1 war. We'd see Labor and Civil Rights take huge hits and we'd see job losses, as well as a few other predictions I'm not recalling ATM. I was right on every count.

Now I'm telling people that if drumpf worms his way into the White House, within 2 years we won't recognize this country, maybe the world, anymore. It'll be shrub X at least 10.

I believe the collapse of civilized society is inevitable, but always believed, now at 52, that I likely wouldn't see it in my lifetime. At least not to its completion. Not into something perhaps resembling Mad Max films.

My shock from a drumpf win will be from the realization and certainty that within a couple years civilized society will have devolved into utter and complete chaos. Bank on it. Civil war. Food and water riots. Wide spread and massive famine. Out of control disease. Plaques from the dead, lying around in numbers too great to be properly dealt with.

I'm convinced, at best, we're just a few decades from these inevibilities. I'm just as convinced that with drumpf, we'll see it within 2 years.

[PufPuf23]

21. I don't think that Trump can win the POTUS election because Hillary Clinton is the

choice of the sane GOP, specifically, the big money big military that supported the Bushes and Reagan.

One will see a bias in the election process in favor of Hillary Clinton like observed in the 2000 election, the 2004 election, and the 2016 Democratic primaries.

If a miracle occurs, Bernie Sanders will readily beat Trump.

However, if something occurs that stops Clinton within the Democratic party I would expect the DNC and Democratic party leadership to try and probably succeed in nominating someone other than Sanders.

I am not convinced Trump actually wants to be POTUS. Trump may well be simply a stalking horse for Hillary Clinton.

[yourpaljoey]

46. I believe you are 100 percent correct

[Scootaloo]

49. If your victory plan requires a large number of the opposing side defecting to yours...

It's a bad plan.

[libodem]

22. Just like when Reagan won

Stupid with shock.

[stillwaiting]

23. No. This primary has been horrible, and it could easily lead to that outcome.

Damn shame really.

[GeorgeGist]

24. Yes. I don't believe the PTB will allow it.

[BillZBubb]

77. The republican PTB couldn't keep him from getting their nomination.

And they really tried.

[Igel]

25. No.

I said he wouldn't get this far. Not "probably won't." Just flat out "he won't get the nomination."

That he did surprises me. I misread the alienation in both parties and the desire to just kick over the apple-stand. It's a culture thing, again where elitism and low SES culture make for bedfellows. Consider it anti-intellectualism overlapping with extreme non-veridicality-based intellectualism.

At this point, his winning won't surprise me.

[AgerolanAmerican]

26. I'll be surprised if he doesn't win

because apparently we're going to sail into the general on a ship that's already sinking.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

27. Not at all, the Bernie or bust folks will make this happen and will bear more responsibility

than the people who actually voted for him

[Redwoods Red]

51. Maybe you should support a candidate who can actually win the general election.

We know who polls better against Trump.

[nadinbrzezinski]

67. Expected for you to blame voters

Not a very weak candidate

[840high]

83. Put the blame on Hillary. If she

can't win it's on her.

[cyberswede]

89. The losing candidate will bear responsibility for losing.

Candidates have to make themselves electable. Blaming anyone else is a chickenshit cop-out.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

94. President drumpf appreciates your support.

[cyberswede]

99. Fuck Trump.

Your dazzling riposte notwithstanding, it's still true that a candidate has to make themselves electable, and blaming anyone other than the candidate is weak scapegoating.

[nolabels]

149. Yea, but my bet is he will probably do that to all the rest of us a few times before we get wise

Not frustrated and keeping the ear to ground for loose oncoming locomotives

George Carlin - Arrogance of mankind

[Nevernose]

115. Talk like that

Sure isn't earning Clinton any November votes...

[RKP5637]

142. FFS, widen the chasm even farther, yep, that really works well, NOT! n/t

[jwirr]

28. No, but it will all depend on which candidate can cheat the

most. At least if it is Hillary for the Ds.

[valerief]

29. Yes. I think the PTB wants Hillary. nt

[ViseGrip]

30. NO

[liberal N proud]

31. Is that what you want?

If not get up and do something about it!

[LiberalElite]

32. No. nt

[JCMach1]

33. Anyone not think he would even MIHOP an October surprise?

[tabasco]

34. Not surprised.

But still shocked.

[Merryland]

35. not if the dnc coronates HRC.

there are too many of us who see her for what she is.

[RandySF]

36. Anything is possible

But yes, I would be shocked.

[Satch59]

38. Yes would be shocked...

The GE electorate doesn't have the make up to elect a GOP president and Trump has alienated the already alienated by GOP, POC...

Bernie supporters are really willing to sit out and therefore essentially support Trump? HRC will win anyway but would non voting = non voice...

[Nye Bevan]

40. How many women are going to vote for the "blood coming out of her wherever" guy,

who wants "some form of punishment" for women who have abortions?

How many African Americans are going to wake up on election day thinking "I've got to go vote for Donald Trump"? How many Latinos?

These days it takes a lot more than winning the votes of angry white men to win the presidency. When one looks at the demographics, then yes, I would be amazed if Trump somehow managed to win.

[woolldog]

45. I wouldn't be too sure about that.

Trump can win by turning out record numbers of white men. His candidacy is nothing like anything we've seen before.

[YoungDemCA]

79. And women, Black, Latino, and Asian voters will just sit on their hands and allow that to happen?

Not to mention, there are plenty of white men who despise Trump. His support is far from universal.

[runaway hero]

117. Only 1/3 of the country votes

Don't pretend 200 million people care enough to stop Donald Trump. 130 million total votes would be a great night.

[Kittycat]

131. Why do you assume women have to vote for him

Or her for him to win. there are other candidates running, and if she keeps alienating people, they will consider green or write-in.

[NightWatcher]

41. Shocked? I'd wager money on it, and I don't gamble

[Egnever]

55. LOL

My bet is you won't. But if you truly feel that way you should get on it now before the people who actually do bet money on it wise up. It is currently sitting at 70% against Trump wining. Real chance there for you to clean up.

https://electionbettingodds.com

[whatthehey]

159. How much? You're on. Nobody else will take my standing bet.

[pampango]

42. I will be. The RW populists in Europe will be envious of Trump's success.

So far European liberals have contained RW populism as a small, but growing, faction of the right - except in eastern and central Europe where it has had more success. They will look to see what Donald has done that they have not been able to do.

[woolldog]

44. No. And it will be thanks to Bernie Sanders,

and the progressive wing of the Dem party.

[Scootaloo]

48. Of course. Nothing is ever Clinton's fault

[cyberswede]

146. A losing candidate bears the blame for losing.

They have to make themselves electable; a weak candidate will have a harder time doing that.

[Scootaloo]

47. Nope.

There are some institutional things working against Democrats... and Democrats look like they're going to be running entirely on a "Not Trump!" platform.

[Vinca]

50. No.

Half the American people are uninformed and dumb as stumps. The only thing that would make Trump even more appealing to them is if he chooses Kim Kardashian as his running mate.

[Bigmack]

52. Somebody smarter than me...

... needs to figure out what we do if that clown is actually elected.

I mean... how do we protect ourselves and our stuff.

... default on the debt...? Holy Shit! The man is an idiot.

[TDale313]

53. No, it won't surprise me in the slightest.

It won't surprise me if he self destructs between now and then either, but we underestimate him at our peril. He absolutely could win, and that thought is horrifying.

[runaway hero]

56. Not really

The pundits and rabblerousers are to blame for this, 100 percent. Or maybe we are because of how coarse the culture has become. I know tons of people that act like Donald Trump on a daily basis.

[oldandhappy]

57. nope.

He wins on hype and no content and a shocking number of people are happy with him. The extreme control by the DNC is partly to blame in my view. I am planning a looooong camping trip with no electronics, smile.

[Maru Kitteh]

58. I will be Canadian. That's what I will be.

I'm a nurse so immigration will not be a thing. I live on the border now.

Yeah. I'll be Canadian.

[Egnever]

59. Of course you wont.

Nor will the cadre of other primary partisans on this thread.

The people willing to bet on it are still more than willing to bet against it though. Great odds right now if you really feel that way.

https://electionbettingodds.com/

[runaway hero]

60. Also it would not surprise me if Clinton won

Donald may self destrcut before November, or what I feel is close to happening, the GOP may stab him the back at the convention in Cleveland and go with Rubio or Romney.

[franannjo]

63. absolutely not.

Pee wee herman could beat our presumtive candidat.

[NewImproved Deal]

64. We still have two options...

[link:|

[yurbud]

65. if the rich want him, it will happen. Dems haven't fought vote suppression and rigging enough

so the machinery is in place to make it happen.

Also, in fairness to Republicans, they understand that elections are about turning out your base, which they do really well with their choice of inflammatory candidates.

Democrats have good get out the vote machinery, but after the primaries, candidates veer so far to the right that Democratic voters feel like we're choosing between a Democratic pimp who just chokes them and a Republican one who will kill them.

[nadinbrzezinski]

66. Nope

[book_worm]

68. We know why you post questions like this and it's a shame you have to disrupt GD

when this type of thing should be in GD-P. It's also a shame that the moderators of GD let Bernie supporters get away with this.

[Turin_C3PO]

69. Nothing in politics shock me anymore.

I would however be sad and furious that the American people are so ignorant that they'll vote for a sexist, racist, carnival barking, buffoon.

I'd also be fearful. I have cystic fibrosis and depend on medication that costs in the thousands every month. If he and congress somehow gut the ACA, I'll be without healthcare and likely die within five years. I'm currently on the expanded Medicaid.

[Cosmocat]

72. I have said since he announced

this country is absolutely stupid enough to make him POTUS, not for sure, but possibly.

I thought he was a real threat to win the GOP primary from day one because they are dumber than dumb is dumb, and have said he has the nomination in a sleeper hold since Thansksgiving, that he had achieve ungaffable status.

We just can't make a sure call one way or another on the general until a few weeks after the conventions.

He definitely could still keep sucking the air out of the race and choke it out.

But, I suspect he won't be able to help himself from acting like a complete jackass toward Hillary, who I think will be disciplined enough to not get down to his level, while having the capacity to tweak him and really set him off, and will come off more "likeable" or "sympathetic" than she would against a non asshole.

[polly7]

73. No, I won't be shocked at all.

And the world will suffer. Of course, it would with Clinton also ....... but you guys are trying your hardest to throw away the best chance the U.S. and those hurt by your foreign policies in the rest of the world have had for a long, long time.

Sorry, but all the dirty tricks, the DNC's obvious do anything to get their chosen warmongering one crowned - you, who've done everything you can to destroy the legitimate hopes and dreams of millions there determined to upset the status quo, deserve what you get. The rest of the planet doesn't.

[riderinthestorm]

74. No nt

[beachbumbob]

75. With 70% of women voting against trump...not a chance

[BillZBubb]

78. No, not at all.

It's going to be a lot closer than most people are willing to admit.

[immoderate]

80. No surprise. It's (LOL) exceptionalism!

--imm

[840high]

82. No.

[Odin2005]

84. I will not be shocked at all.

People's anger at the Establishment is boiling over and our side decided to go with the corporate tool candidate rather than the real Progressive.

If Trump wins the Democratic Party Establishment will only have themselves to blame for that horror.

[RKP5637]

143. Sadly, democrats are often great at working against their own best interests. Now, TPTB

of the democratic party fail to comprehend that millions and millions of voters are fed up with both establishments. So, what do TPTB in the democratic party do, thrust forward an establishment candidate with lots of baggage.

[CharlotteVale]

85. If he runs against Hillary, I'd be surprised if he didn't.

[old guy]

86. Yes.

[RandySF]

88. I would put better odds

On the Republican Party finding a way to nominate someone else.

[TBF]

90. Not at all - but I live in TX

where there are more "Hillary for prison" bumper stickers per capita than people. If we run Bernie we MAY have a chance. Donald will destroy Hillary.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

91. No and yes respectively.

The smart money at the moment seems to be about 3-1 in favour of Clinton, or slightly better.

A 20-25% event occurring would surprise me but not shock me.

[Rex]

92. After 2000, I have a hard time trusting elections.

[Blue_In_AK]

93. I won't be surprised at all.

This is an anti-establishment year, and no one is more establishment than Hillary.

[Hekate]

95. Who, Tinyhands Trump? Let's not make this a self-fulfilling prophecy by writing in someone's name

... or doing some of the other self-destructive things threatened here on a regular basis.

Most Democrats will vote for the Democrat on the General Election ballot. Most Democrats will refrain (and already do refrain) from spreading RW smears about other Democrats.

Hopefully most Democrats will invest some time informing themselves about voter registration, which varies by state, and about what the Democratic Party Platform is versus the GOP Platform. Hopefully more voters will actually get involved in local politics and learn what is actually involved in making things work.

[Butterbean]

96. Honest question here....where are people getting their data?

I get my polling data from Nate Silver and from RCP. Both have Hillary ahead, not by a huge lead but comfortable enough. I really honestly don't think Trump will win. I just don't. I'm not a huge HRC fan, either. I simply don't see a win for Trump in the numbers. It's just not there.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

97. I'll be in a state of shock.

We'd just have elected a clinical NPD head case who ran on a fascist platform. We might be looking at the worst news for the country's well-being since the 1860s.

[JosephAlanWatson]

100. No

I will be curious on his first move though. I feel like he will make the white house comedy gold.

[silvershadow]

101. he probably knows where the bodies are buried. nt

[CobaltBlue]

102. cali—The only R/D candidate worthy of the presidency is Bernie Sanders.

[HooptieWagon]

103. I expect him to win. Clinton is ensuring herself a loss.

Awful candidate running a terrible campaign. Burning the bridges to Sanders supporters and driving them away will not only cause her to lose, but down ticket Democrats as well. It's goiing to be another DWS orchestrated bloodbath.

[Bjornsdotter]

104. Not at all.

The people of the US re-elected Bush in 2004....I am shock proof after that.

[kentuck]

105. If the Democrats do not make it about his supporters, instead of about him....

he could very well win. Republicans that support him should not be able to avoid scrutiny.

[Agnosticsherbet]

106. People who vote for Trump, or stay at home, want a racist bigot in the White House.

Will they get their way? Republicans have shown themselves adept and disenfranchising voters and stealing elections.

[mikehiggins]

107. Neither. Just very, very sad and depressed. n/t

[Purveyor]

108. From the comments I hear from my customers here in Michigan, not at all. Damn hard to find a

clinton supporter around these parts.

2016 may very well seem like the 'good ole days' by time 2020 rolls around...

[RKP5637]

144. The democratic party machinery blatantly fails to understand the mood of this country and

the tremendous hatred for both establishments. So, FFS, they trot out an establishment politician with lots of establishment baggage.

[MFM008]

109. not going to happen

Brown Jenkin Trump is history in November. ( PS look up Brown Jenkin).

[Rybak187]

110. Not at all.

[PeteSelman]

111. Not at all. I kind of expect it.

This is an incredibly stupid country.

[Sejon]

112. Unfortunately not

[BootinUp]

113. While one can never be certain of these things

I rely on real world statistics and trends, and undisputed facts more than gut feel.

1. Without a doubt the Democrats have a clear and very significant advantage, based on trends in demographics and voting analysis over ANY puke candidate.

2. Trump's ability to game a puke primary with his shtick is NO indication he can do so in a general election.


3. We have never seen a candidate like Trump with his open disdain for women and brown people succeed in the modern era.


All indicators point to we got this.

[basselope]

116. I am still hoping for either Bernie getting the nom or a viable 3rd party candidate

Unless one of those things happen, we bunked down for 4 years.q

[tenderfoot]

118. You post anti-Trump op then a underhanded "He's going to win" op.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027833146

Will I be shocked or surprised?

I am by your behavior.

[sendero]

119. Not at all..

.... in fact it is his to lose IMHO.

And every time I see the MSM talking heads wax indignant about Trump's latest outrage, I'm pretty sure he gains a few votes.

[Initech]

121. No but that will be it for me.

If Donald is elected, I'm out of here.

[beaglelover]

122. Nope. 'Murica is full of idiots.

[Chan790]

123. No. I consider a foregone conclusion if Hillary is the nominee.

At this point, I'm rooting for a Clinton indictment that kills her candidacy.

[quaker bill]

124. no, just depressed

[Jackilope]

127. Nope.

Nothing surprises me any more. Brown shirts at the NV Democratic Convention, the stomping out of progressive ideals in the Democratic Party, willfully blind enablers and paid trolls .... it sickens me.

[RKP5637]

129. For a long time now Trump has always been discussed as a loser, no way he could get

near the nomination, but now he is for all intense purposes the nominee. Now, some say the same about a WH win for Trump in 2016. I think many just do not realize the tremendous anger against establishments in the US, perhaps because they do not travel in those circles.

That all said, I think there is a real possibility Trump could win in 2016. The problem is millions want change, and even if it's a change toward disaster, they well might vote for him only on the basis of a desire for radical change.

I see the USA as very unstable. FFS, I dread what the 2016 election might usher in.

[Liberal_in_LA]

130. No. Hidden racist vote. And guys online calling Hillary a "hag" and "harpy" sexist vote also

[Trust Buster]

132. If the country decides to elect Trump, then the country decides to elect Trump.

[thereismore]

133. Nope. If she goes down in flames in GE, I will just watch. nt

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

134. I have been resigned to the Republicans winning this election for a while now

ever since it became apparent that no serious Democrat was going to run against an irrational Hillary Clinton, and no, Larry David's hit one-man show isn't a serious candidate.

[kiva]

135. Nope.

The Democratic Party establishment will make sure of it - see Nevada for a good example of their work.

[mia]

140. I won't be surprised.

Sad to say that I'm expecting it.

[Eric J in MN]

141. Depends on the VP.

Elizabeth Warren could bring the party together.

If Hillary Clinton chooses a centrist, instead, then I won't be surprised if she loses.

[Jim Lane]

145. Surprised yes, shocked no.

I consider Trump the underdog but not so much of an underdog that his win would be a shock. Subjectively, I'll put his probability of success at 20% versus Sanders and 30% versus Clinton.

Of course, if you had asked me a year ago to handicap the Republican race, I would've put Trump's probability of being the nominee at about 1% -- so what do I know.

[m-lekktor]

147. Nope. nt

[DetlefK]

151. Dirty Donny? What about John 'Babyhands' Miller?

[merrily]

152. With all the advantages with which Hillary entered the 2008 primary, she still has not put the

the nom to bed. With all the dumb things he's said and done during this primary, and in his life, he put his primary to bed a while back.

Having donated to politicians and received favors from them, he is going to play the Hillary Wall Street thing to death. Same for Bill and all his history, including the Lolita Express. It's going to be ugly.

[ReasonableToo]

154. Not really. The only way he wins is if the powers that be want him to win

If the polls are close the vote counters can count according to plan. Same as for Bush/Gore.

If Bernie is nominated and he polls 15 or so points ahead of T then it's hard to overcome that gap with flipping and disenfranchisement.

It would absolutely suck to have T in there and would show the world once and for all, without any doubt, that we don't have a legitimate electoral system or a legitimate media informing our electorate.

So if we were watching this nonsense unfold in another country would officials be mulling over what to do about that country?

[Shadowflash]

155. Nope.

The GE will not be a closed election.

[AngryAmish]

156. Not at all.

Unless we go all in for reparations for slavery, we are sunk.

[whatthehey]

157. Strange. I've offered bets he won't, with zero takers

And yet so many here profess that he is a certainty, in words backed by nothing. Why the difference?