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deminks

(11,018 posts)
Thu May 12, 2016, 01:23 PM May 2016

9/11 commissioner leaks damning new info: Saudi government officials supported the hijackers

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/05/911-commissioner-leaks-damning-new-info-saudi-government-officials-supported-the-hijackers/

The 9/11 hijackers had support from Saudi government employees, said a former Republican official who investigated the attacks — and he wants the Obama administration to release evidence to prove it.

John Lehman, an investment banker and Navy secretary in the Reagan administration, said his fellow 9/11 commission members had helped to obscure Saudi links to the 2001 terrorist attacks, reported The Guardian.

“There was an awful lot of participation by Saudi individuals in supporting the hijackers, and some of those people worked in the Saudi government,” Lehman told the newspaper. “Our report should never have been read as an exoneration of Saudi Arabia.”

Lehman and other commission members have called for the release of 28 classified pages of the final report, which officially implicates Saudi Arabia as the primary source of al Qaeda funding but stops short of accusing the government of funding the terrorist organization.

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9/11 commissioner leaks damning new info: Saudi government officials supported the hijackers (Original Post) deminks May 2016 OP
Time to tell the REST of the story yourpaljoey May 2016 #1
And to stop beating around the BUSH. forest444 May 2016 #24
I see what you did there malaise May 2016 #29
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #2
Hey where are our CT monitors? You know those that are terrified of all rhett o rick May 2016 #3
They haven't shown up. They mostly checked out of DU around the 10th anniversary. nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #28
Not all of them. As host I could see the alerts for CT. They want to control the discussion rhett o rick May 2016 #37
Yup, there's a reason for that. nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #39
Yep, they are conservatives that blindly follow their leaders. They abhor anyone speaking rhett o rick May 2016 #42
so what was their purpose? greymattermom May 2016 #4
Did you not read the PNAC papers? The "New Pearl Harbor" required before the US could begin to Vincardog May 2016 #5
Could be massive oil instability for over a decade, elimination of Iraq and possibly Iran armies. TheBlackAdder May 2016 #8
Maybe: how much stock do Saudi individuals own in the U.S. military companies? LiberalArkie May 2016 #13
Oil prices through the roof. grahamhgreen May 2016 #15
I first I thought it was all about getting Saddam's oil... KansDem May 2016 #20
Saddam was also open to taking Euros for oil TexasBushwhacker May 2016 #44
Think they had a plan....but it backfired, badly. Xolodno May 2016 #25
Might have been the same motivation as Bin Laden Nevernose May 2016 #38
Anything like how we supported the rise of the terrorist Pinochet in Chile? Or is jtuck004 May 2016 #6
What is more damning to me is our government colluding to let the culprits get away scot free! Kip Humphrey May 2016 #7
flying 'em out, in fact! MisterP May 2016 #10
And continuing to collude by redacting & covering up the commission report while simultaneously Kip Humphrey May 2016 #12
Not really a surprise. Don't forget Pakistan's ISI YoungDemCA May 2016 #9
Michael Moore and others made this call early on . . FairWinds May 2016 #11
Many others --including me-- made this call early on 99th_Monkey May 2016 #16
Conspiracy deniers abound. They don't like anyone upsetting their bubble of denial. rhett o rick May 2016 #19
+1,000 malaise May 2016 #30
Why didn't the brave investment banker et al call for Shrub to release this info? Orrex May 2016 #14
The war on terror must continue Rass May 2016 #17
Pres Obama doesn't have a high enough pay grade to release this info. Maybe Gen James Clapper rhett o rick May 2016 #43
MIHOP. Always was. nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #18
MIHOP all the way. But don't tell the Conspiracy Deniers, they rhett o rick May 2016 #21
They seem to have crawled off months ago... Rex May 2016 #34
I love to see the numbers of posts that I can't see when I post an OP. I know they rhett o rick May 2016 #36
So what was on those blacked out pages? Initech May 2016 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author turbinetree May 2016 #23
Where is the pic of Bushie holding hands with the Saudi King....and then there bkkyosemite May 2016 #26
Yeah, holding hands... pokerfan May 2016 #35
This guy's wife wrote checks to support 3 of the hijackers Botany May 2016 #48
I am not in the least bit surprised n/t doc03 May 2016 #27
Quelle surprise! romanic May 2016 #31
Huh. Just as I surmised on about 9/12/01 or so, from my recliner. nt silvershadow May 2016 #32
We've known this for a long time, yet there was Bush and Bandar...true best friends forever. Rex May 2016 #33
And shrub was friends with the Saudis.... NightWatcher May 2016 #40
Saudi government!? Saudi KINGDOM! wildbilln864 May 2016 #41
Really amazing Bush shielded the Saudis while making up stuff so they could invade Iraq. hollowdweller May 2016 #45
Isn't this where the Justice Dept. steps in? raindaddy May 2016 #46
Well, since we killed tens of thousands sulphurdunn May 2016 #47
nss niyad May 2016 #49
Thanks for waiting till now, John Lehman! Scruffy Rumbler May 2016 #50
We should at least consider the possibility that the Saudi's did it . . FairWinds May 2016 #51

Response to deminks (Original post)

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
3. Hey where are our CT monitors? You know those that are terrified of all
Thu May 12, 2016, 01:34 PM
May 2016

hints that there in trouble in River City. They don't want anyone exposing their authoritarian idols for what they really are. Tell me if they show up as I have them all on ignore.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
37. Not all of them. As host I could see the alerts for CT. They want to control the discussion
Thu May 12, 2016, 08:05 PM
May 2016

to only their worldview.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
42. Yep, they are conservatives that blindly follow their leaders. They abhor anyone speaking
Fri May 13, 2016, 12:03 AM
May 2016

truth to power. They live in their comfortable denial bubbles.

Vincardog

(20,234 posts)
5. Did you not read the PNAC papers? The "New Pearl Harbor" required before the US could begin to
Thu May 12, 2016, 01:41 PM
May 2016

Invade and dominate the mid east? IF not do a little research.

TheBlackAdder

(28,227 posts)
8. Could be massive oil instability for over a decade, elimination of Iraq and possibly Iran armies.
Thu May 12, 2016, 01:57 PM
May 2016

.


Who knows what sociopaths think at any given time.


.

LiberalArkie

(15,730 posts)
13. Maybe: how much stock do Saudi individuals own in the U.S. military companies?
Thu May 12, 2016, 02:13 PM
May 2016

How much do they own in Halliburton? How much did they manage to get from our tax payers? How much of Iraq did they manage to buy?

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
20. I first I thought it was all about getting Saddam's oil...
Thu May 12, 2016, 03:03 PM
May 2016

Then I read an article that suggested it was about keeping Saddam's oil in the ground. Then it made sense:
Iraq oil on the world market? price drops. Who would that hurt? Saudia Arabia
Iraq oil in the ground? price increases. Who would that help? Saudia Arabia

TexasBushwhacker

(20,221 posts)
44. Saddam was also open to taking Euros for oil
Fri May 13, 2016, 09:35 AM
May 2016

instead of dollars. Keeping the US Dollar as the dominant reserve currency is very important to propping up its value worldwide. Unfortunately, a strong dollar is also what makes American exports too expensive, hence the trade imbalance.

Xolodno

(6,406 posts)
25. Think they had a plan....but it backfired, badly.
Thu May 12, 2016, 04:15 PM
May 2016

The Saudi's three main competitors in oil:

1. Iraq
2. Iran
3. Russia

The House of Saud want's to be the De Beers of oil.

Saddam wasn't stupid enough to pull something like this off as he knew the consequences. So the Saudi's supported Bin Laden to do it since he was driven by ideology. While knowing full well his organization would take a severe hit and he may gotten killed himself. But what did they care? Bin Laden wanted the House of Saud to fall as well.

They probably assumed after Saddam fell, another Sunni group would gain control, or at worst put the country into a permanent turmoil. Either way they could control or heavily influence their oil output. Plus, with access into Iraq, they could also fund/supply an insurgency in Iran. And do the same in Syria via Iraq (toppling Assad would allow them them to build a pipeline directly through to Europe and lower the cost of delivery to compete more easily with Russia)

Only it appears Iran saw this coming a mile away and heavily supported the Shiites to gain control. Coupled that with the Sunni's in Iraq unable to get their act together...

And the final nail in the coffin, Russia wasn't as weak as they though militarily and were able to back Assad up.

Iran and Russia not only blocked their oil domination plans, but turned the tables on them.

How do we benefit? Simple, Halliburton et al. hold a near monopoly on the maintenance of oil production infrastructure and contracts to build new infrastructure. Iraq still owns the oil, but we help them produce it.

Then you add we got Iran to agree with a deal on nukes and don't stand to gain much with Assad gone, there isn't much economic incentive to help out the House of Saud much more. So, why not release the report and throw them under the bus.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
38. Might have been the same motivation as Bin Laden
Thu May 12, 2016, 08:58 PM
May 2016

General religious lunacy. It doesn't necessarily have to benefit the Saudi government, because it wasn't the entire government supporting 9/11.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
6. Anything like how we supported the rise of the terrorist Pinochet in Chile? Or is
Thu May 12, 2016, 01:47 PM
May 2016

that completely different?

Kip Humphrey

(4,753 posts)
12. And continuing to collude by redacting & covering up the commission report while simultaneously
Thu May 12, 2016, 02:13 PM
May 2016

preventing criminal investigations from pursuing the Saudis.

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
11. Michael Moore and others made this call early on . .
Thu May 12, 2016, 02:09 PM
May 2016

and were vilified for it.

Especially by the GOP and Neo-cons and their Reich Wing
media allies.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
16. Many others --including me-- made this call early on
Thu May 12, 2016, 02:53 PM
May 2016

and were also vilified for it, calling it a "conspiracy theory".

I'm glad that the record's being set straight, but appalled that it's
taken 15 years do do so.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
19. Conspiracy deniers abound. They don't like anyone upsetting their bubble of denial.
Thu May 12, 2016, 03:02 PM
May 2016

In their honor I would like to put this out there. The Saudi government was involved in the WTC attack. Why? And why did our government not do anything. If the Saudi's did it all on their own, it's an act of war. It's not reasonable to think they didn't at least tell someone what they had in mind. Cheney and his people knew. Poor Georgie had an idea but was kept out of the loop. I bet his father explained it to him later.

Orrex

(63,232 posts)
14. Why didn't the brave investment banker et al call for Shrub to release this info?
Thu May 12, 2016, 02:18 PM
May 2016

Obama absolutely should release it, but there's no reason that it should have been redacted in the first place.

 

Rass

(112 posts)
17. The war on terror must continue
Thu May 12, 2016, 03:00 PM
May 2016

War on terror = U.S. control of major oil sources

We need a U.S. revolution for energy independence.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
43. Pres Obama doesn't have a high enough pay grade to release this info. Maybe Gen James Clapper
Fri May 13, 2016, 12:07 AM
May 2016

does. Congress should call on him to testify. We saw how that went. The President and Congress don't run this country.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
36. I love to see the numbers of posts that I can't see when I post an OP. I know they
Thu May 12, 2016, 07:59 PM
May 2016

hate it that I can't see them.

Initech

(100,108 posts)
22. So what was on those blacked out pages?
Thu May 12, 2016, 03:11 PM
May 2016

And why did the Bush officials sneak the Saudi royals out of the country so fast?

I am pretty sure that Saudi Arabia is the worst country on earth.

Response to deminks (Original post)

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
26. Where is the pic of Bushie holding hands with the Saudi King....and then there
Thu May 12, 2016, 04:17 PM
May 2016

was the Osama's family plane only one in the sky...we have a mafia type government and have had for a long time.

Botany

(70,613 posts)
48. This guy's wife wrote checks to support 3 of the hijackers
Fri May 13, 2016, 10:36 AM
May 2016


2 or 3 days after 9/11 Ambassador Bandar and w bush shared coffee and cigars @ the White House.
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
33. We've known this for a long time, yet there was Bush and Bandar...true best friends forever.
Thu May 12, 2016, 06:18 PM
May 2016

Best friends until the end.



And here he is with Poppy, planning out Gulf War I.
 

wildbilln864

(13,382 posts)
41. Saudi government!? Saudi KINGDOM!
Thu May 12, 2016, 10:14 PM
May 2016

You do not defy the king and get by. I venture they were doing the King's bidding.

 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
45. Really amazing Bush shielded the Saudis while making up stuff so they could invade Iraq.
Fri May 13, 2016, 09:44 AM
May 2016

Could the whole war have been about diverting the public's attention?
 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
47. Well, since we killed tens of thousands
Fri May 13, 2016, 10:26 AM
May 2016

of innocent Iraqis and Afghans who had nothing to do with 9/11, it would be nice if we finally went after a few of the murderers who actually had something to do with it.

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
51. We should at least consider the possibility that the Saudi's did it . .
Fri May 13, 2016, 01:02 PM
May 2016

for the reasons given by Bin Laden and many others . .

US unconditional support for Israel.
US troops and bases in Saudi.
US attacks on Muslim countries.

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/stephen-glain/2011/05/03/what-actually-motivated-osama-bin-laden

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