Shove it Barney Frank

[boston bean]

I love you and all, but you don't blame and chide people who are trying to do good for themselves and affect real change. Didn't I hear some place that the DEMS wouldn't give any $$$$ in this effort. I wonder if $$$$ had anything to do with the loss.... Citizens United/Koch Bros... anyone?

Barney Frank: Dems, unions made 'big mistake' in pushing for Wisconsin recall


Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.) slammed unions and liberal activists for pushing to recall Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R).

"I think the people on the Democratic side made a big mistake and the funding thing was a big deal," Frank told The Hill Wednesday afternoon, alluding to Republicans' big cash advantage in the race. "My side picked a fight they shouldn't have picked. The recall was upsetting to people, the rerun of the election with [Democratic Milwaukee Mayor] Tom Barrett — it's not a fight I would have picked."

......... "People need to be more strategic about the fights they pick," he said.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/governor-races/231273-barney-frank-dems-made-a-big-mistake-in-pushing-for-wisconsin-recall-

[Enrique]

1. Wisconsin dems should have gone on TV

and insulted Walker in a humorous manner, as Barney Frank does with the GOP. That has been so effective.

[boston bean]

3. There hasn't been many times that I haven't enjoyed

him giving a good shellacking to some repug nut, but this here, is not helpful.

demonizing unions... yeah... go Barney Frank!!! <sarcasm?

[Enrique]

14. he shellacks them on TV

and then goes and buys them drinks. I liked James Carville's zingers too, but then he goes home and sleeps next to Dick Cheney's henchman.

[mzteris]

2. Barrett should have never been on the ballot. n/t

[teddy51]

8. That's what I think as well. He lost once already to Walker, why would you run him again

in something this important?

[boston bean]

9. The party washed their hands of it from the beginning

is my feeling.

They just didn't want to get involved. And that sort of decision comes straight from the top/leader of the DNC.

[TheWraith]

15. The DNC had over a hundred paid staff in Wisconsin along with money and hundreds of volunteers.

But apparently it's easier to blame them when facts are kept out of it.

[boston bean]

16. Right, NO $$

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/05/16/1092126/-DNC-supports-Wisconsin-recall-but-not-necessarily-with-money

What's so hard to understand about what I said. You countered it with NOTHING. Seems like someone might be trying to deflect or draw attention away from that fact.

[sudopod]

21. And all that means nothing against a single nasty attack ad

explaining how the Democratic party was coming for their guns and robocalls lying about the election date.

We're fighting yesterdays war, I'm afraid.

[sabrina 1]

22. They didn't need a hundred 'paid staff', they had volunteers from all over the country who didn't

ask for money. They needed MONEY. 'Paid staffers' and there is the problem.

[mzteris]

11. exactly.

And he had the personality of milque toast. No fire. No nothing to get the voters excited. The ones who were against Walker from the beginning didn't need convincing.

Though a part of me suspects it was the pub crossover in the primary that put him in.

[Nye Bevan]

4. Monday-morning quarterback.

I'm sure if Barrett had won he would have been all smiles and congratulations.

[banned from Kos]

5. I am a straight white guy from Georgia and I LOVE Barney Frank!

He is right again.

Barney wants to regulate banks and dereg marijuana and poker.


We will miss you Barney!

[Major Hogwash]

6. Except that the Democrats didn't make a big push for it!!

Your shipment of "Major fail" just arrived Mr Frank.

[HiPointDem]

7. +1.

[Raine]

10. Totally agree, "shove it Barney Frank" your after the fact

dumping on Dems is not helping.

[unblock]

12. i read elsewhere on du that republicans blew $60mm on this race, compared to $4mm for democrats.

if we can get them to routinely piss away a 15:1 advantage just to keep the status quo, well, it's that much less money they'll have available to spend in other races.

[MrSlayer]

13. Hey, they got the state senate.

So there was some good there. Walker wsnt going to lose the recall. Even people that hate him voted against it because they felt it was unjustified. Take the good.

[standingtall]

17. Barney Wi Democrats didn't pick the fight

Scott Walker did.

[mahina]

18. hindsight

is 20-20 Bahhhhney. We though it would go 60-40 the other way about 24 hours ago.

[99Forever]

19. I can't count how many times...

.. I've stuck up for your fat ass, Barney. Now you've made me wish I hadn't.

[Bake]

20. Nobody wants to admit it, but Barney is RIGHT.

This WAS a dumb fight to pick.

Bake

[TheKentuckian]

24. Gotta keep that powder dry for free trade agreements, education deform, austerity,

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assaulting civil liberties, propping up too big to fail, creating new too big to fail entities, hobbling the space program,and tax cuts.assaulting civil liberties, propping up too big to fail, creating new too big to fail entities, hobbling the space program,and tax cuts.

This fight has to be fought, arguments about timing, stage, and tactics are a whole different matter and if that is what is meant, then folks should state it as such.
Everyone is talking about jobs and rightfully so but it is impossible to get even secondary focus on wages and I guess to hell with labor rights and benefits.

If labor isn't worth fighting for for a bunch of people that work for a living (or would like to) then we are going to crap out and lose whatever "pragmatists" and "centrists" actually care about that keeps them from throwing an (R) next their names. Whatever it is be it choice, or equality, or civil rights, or a few pennies on the dollar for millionaires, or our national parks, or grants and loans or whatever it might be that holds such folks, if the corporatist can turn a buck then that will be lost too if we let this country be a land of paupers hoping to get a gig or hold the one they have another day.

You have had decades to see what is going on and if anyone thinks this ground can be given when the disparities are already pretty damn absurd and maybe not so arrogant for a person of Frank's stature and age but for most spouting off such a position (yes, even you business owners and professional types) are at the very height of hubris and stupidity.

Broke motherfuckers in predatory capitalist system with feudal like wealth and income differentials aren't winning any battles that their owner class doesn't also want.

[Bake]

25. You pick fights you can win.

And we just got our asses kicked.

Just sayin'.

Bake

[TheKentuckian]

26. Better to lose than to give up.

They aren't going to take it easy on us if we roll over

[Bake]

29. If you fight and win, the bullies are a little more careful next time.

Fight and lose, and they know they've got you.

Bake

[TheKentuckian]

27. You fight the war when it comes to your door, there is nowhere to run and no place to hide.

These are fundamental matters.

[Bake]

30. The recall didn't come to our door. We went looking for it.

What part of that don't you get?

Bake

[proud2BlibKansan]

23. I agree with him.

[emilyg]

28. +1

[magical thyme]

31. I strongly suspect that going after a single evil governor via recall

simply did not fit with the overall Dem strategy.

Consider the possibility that they may have known some things that we are only now finding out. Such as the Joe Doe investigation and very possible indictment.

Consider the possibility that in a presidential election year, with congressional seats up for grabs, they may not only have had other priorities, but felt that this would be a bad tactical move and poor use of resources. They usually fail, the candidate had already faced Walker and lost, potential for voter fatigue, above indictment, etc.