Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Eugene

(61,900 posts)
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 01:33 PM Apr 2016

Pit bull kills newborn baby in bed

Source: The Guardian and agencies

Pit bull kills newborn baby in bed

Staff and agencies in San Diego
Saturday 23 April 2016 03.04 BST

A pit bull terrier crossbreed dog lying in bed with a San Diego couple bit and killed their three-day-old son when it was startled awake.

The parents had been watching television at the time with their newborn and the 44kg (97lb) American Staffordshire terrier-Great Dane mix was lying with them, said Sergeant Tu Nguyen of the San Diego police child abuse unit.

“The mum coughed unexpectedly and it startled the dog, which bit the baby, causing traumatic injury,” said Nguyen, whose unit investigates the death of any child.

“The parents were able to separate the dog from the baby and they rushed him to the hospital but they were not able to save him.”

[font size=1]-snip-[/font]


Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/23/pit-bull-kills-newborn-baby-in-bed
69 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Pit bull kills newborn baby in bed (Original Post) Eugene Apr 2016 OP
The dog for the shit headed. AngryAmish Apr 2016 #1
I agree with you rockfordfile Apr 2016 #4
Stupid to have any dog near a brand-spanking-new baby. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2016 #6
Oh yeah!? linuxman Apr 2016 #2
Plus we named it Muffy and raised it on stray cats. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #11
Picture of the dog which was identified as "American Staffordshire-cross" is at article link csziggy Apr 2016 #15
American Staffordshire terriers are one of the breeds commonly termed as "pit bulls." pnwmom Apr 2016 #20
How awful My Good Babushka Apr 2016 #3
So much this.... ScreamingMeemie Apr 2016 #5
I don't care how much we love the dog malaise Apr 2016 #7
^this Marrah_G Apr 2016 #32
The "nanny dog" I presume Abouttime Apr 2016 #8
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #9
I bet the parents of the dead baby felt the same way. Boudica the Lyoness Apr 2016 #10
You don't have to get rid of your dog Abouttime Apr 2016 #12
Can we have dogs bred for killing vermin? A HERETIC I AM Apr 2016 #16
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #19
Any dog can do this. Brickbat Apr 2016 #13
True Abouttime Apr 2016 #14
BS Visionary Apr 2016 #17
But WHY own one? Throd Apr 2016 #18
Partly because there are so many in shelters and often they're there because pnwmom Apr 2016 #21
Oh great Abouttime Apr 2016 #22
I know. . . . but there are so many of them in some shelters. pnwmom Apr 2016 #24
I have more of an issue with having the dog near the 3 day old, personally, than the breed. TDale313 Apr 2016 #27
In 2015 - pit bulls caused the most deaths - rottweilers second womanofthehills Apr 2016 #43
Dogsbite.org flvegan Apr 2016 #48
Well you certainly make a convincing argument Major Nikon Apr 2016 #52
Thank you, I do! flvegan Apr 2016 #53
Well, they are certainly cited quite often Major Nikon Apr 2016 #55
You don't really know what you're talking about. flvegan Apr 2016 #56
You stole my line! Major Nikon Apr 2016 #58
Pitbulls can be very sweet but they cause most of the deaths womanofthehills Apr 2016 #64
Map of where your pit bull isn't welcome womanofthehills Apr 2016 #65
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #45
But one breed awoke_in_2003 Apr 2016 #26
Which one? flvegan Apr 2016 #54
Sure. But pitbulls are much more efficient at it! Drahthaardogs Apr 2016 #37
Who would have any dog in bed with a newborn? bigwillq Apr 2016 #23
Who? People who are absolutely certain Mariana Apr 2016 #36
The one and only time my Sheltie nipped someone on the ankle was because he ScreamingMeemie Apr 2016 #40
This was not a nip. Mariana Apr 2016 #41
Of course it was not a nip, but a startled dog reacting is normal. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2016 #42
....and? zigby Apr 2016 #25
Thanks for ruining my night. n/t Peregrine Took Apr 2016 #28
FYI: Most Dangerous Dog Breeds: As Per 1982 - 2013 Bite and Attack Statistics Purveyor Apr 2016 #29
Huskies can do a lot of damage Marrah_G Apr 2016 #31
My Riley is a big ole 12yo love bug and I never saw him Purveyor Apr 2016 #34
Yup all it takes is once Marrah_G Apr 2016 #47
I watched a Husky kill a small dog in one shake at the dog park. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2016 #35
They said they didn't leave the dog with the baby. Mariana Apr 2016 #38
Yikes. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2016 #46
I'm guessing most of those are sled dogs XemaSab Apr 2016 #39
Interesting. Where do those stats come from? flvegan Apr 2016 #44
They appear to come from an alternate reality where a bullmastiff and a presna canario (sic) are the LeftyMom Apr 2016 #57
Stupid parents for having the dog so close to a 3 day old baby Marrah_G Apr 2016 #30
Absolutely tragic, but yes, stupid to have any animal near an infant that little. TDale313 Apr 2016 #33
People just don't realize how quickly animals can tear apart another animal -- it Nay Apr 2016 #59
Hell, I wouldn't let my husband sleep next to the baby! Phentex Apr 2016 #60
Awwww...we have headline dynamics. Idiots. flvegan Apr 2016 #49
You make a good point. All the headlines about retrievers killing babies hardly get any clicks. Major Nikon Apr 2016 #68
Ugh. Tragic that it happened. Although the La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #50
. XemaSab Apr 2016 #51
The important thing is that we not blame the dog Orrex Apr 2016 #61
'Pit bull' owners need the shit slapped out of them for being so stupid, ronnie624 Apr 2016 #62
what a horrid mix, dane and pitbull. so careless to allow any dog free access to an infant Sunlei Apr 2016 #63
I've had dogs and babies Bettie Apr 2016 #66
i wouldn't allow any dog near a baby that young JI7 Apr 2016 #67
The first sentence puts the lie to the headline. baldguy Apr 2016 #69
 

linuxman

(2,337 posts)
2. Oh yeah!?
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 02:11 PM
Apr 2016

How do you know? Was it DNA tested and confirmed to be a pitbull? I bet it was an American Staffordshire terrier. Or a golden retriever. These are nanny dogs. I leave my 3 month old alone with my pit on the weekends. Here's a picture of one who looks like he's smiling! Poor thing was probably being used in dog fights on the weekend! I'll have you know, my pit hasn't killed me yet!

Did I cover everything?

I would never suggest that all pit bull owners are trashy shitheads, but trashy shitheads absolutely make up the bulk of the pit owners I've encountered.

Rest in peace, kid. You deserved better.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
15. Picture of the dog which was identified as "American Staffordshire-cross" is at article link
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 03:56 PM
Apr 2016

From article linked in the OP:
Sub-title: "Police in San Diego say American Staffordshire-cross fatally bit three-day-old boy when it was startled while lying down with family in San Diego"

In text of article: "The parents had been watching television at the time with their newborn and the 44kg (97lb) American Staffordshire terrier-Great Dane mix was lying with them, said Sergeant Tu Nguyen of the San Diego police child abuse unit."

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
20. American Staffordshire terriers are one of the breeds commonly termed as "pit bulls."
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 05:06 PM
Apr 2016

But this dog was also Great Dane, so twice as big as many pit bulls.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
5. So much this....
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 02:28 PM
Apr 2016

My Sheltie was a perfect angel, but I would have never brought her up in a bed with a days-old baby. So sad all around.

 

Abouttime

(675 posts)
8. The "nanny dog" I presume
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 02:45 PM
Apr 2016

Pitbulls need to be gone from civilized society. If one takes an honest look at their history they were bred for dogfighting and no other purpose.
All pitbulls and pitbulls type dogs should be neutered and registered with the proper authorities. In less than 20 years the breed would be eradicated. There is no good reason for another pitbull to be bred or born.
There are tens of millions of pitbull type dogs in this country. They are not a local or even state problem, it's a national problem. I'm tired of the apologists who claim the pitbull breed is just like any other dog. Pitbulls have been "game bred" for 100s of years, their genome is faulty, there's no other choice but to extinguish the breed.

Response to Abouttime (Reply #8)

 

Boudica the Lyoness

(2,899 posts)
10. I bet the parents of the dead baby felt the same way.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 03:11 PM
Apr 2016

Too many pit bulls have been getting 'rid' of other family members.

 

Abouttime

(675 posts)
12. You don't have to get rid of your dog
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 03:21 PM
Apr 2016

Just don't breed it.
It should be illegal to breed pitbulls and all existing pitbulls should be sterilized, in 15 years no more pitbulls, simple. It's the 21st century, why do we as a society need dogs bred for fighting?

A HERETIC I AM

(24,370 posts)
16. Can we have dogs bred for killing vermin?
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 04:41 PM
Apr 2016

Like Rat Terriers, Jack Russells, Fox Terriers, etc. etc.?

How about English Bulldogs?


Or French Bulldogs?


Or the official Bicentennial Breed, the Boston Terrier?


It's the 21st century, why do we as a society need dogs bred for fighting?


There are plenty of things here in the 21st century we don't need that are much more harmful and kill a lot more people, but there is damned little call to eradicate them.

Response to Abouttime (Reply #8)

 

Abouttime

(675 posts)
14. True
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 03:31 PM
Apr 2016

But pitbulls do it better and more often. Not to mention livestock and pet maulings, pitbulls are bred to kill, it's in their genetic code to start fighting and never stop. Pitbulls literally go into a frenzy and cannot be stopped, they are man created monsters and we need to eradicate them from civilized society.
There isn't one good reason anyone should own a pitbull, they are creatures of a time thankfully past born and bred for blood sport.

 

Visionary

(54 posts)
17. BS
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 04:55 PM
Apr 2016

Pitbulls are no worse than other breeds. Usually they have worse owners though. Who are YOU to say what dog I can own?

Throd

(7,208 posts)
18. But WHY own one?
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 04:59 PM
Apr 2016

Of the 100's of breeds out there, I'm always curious about why some people gravitate to that particular breed.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
21. Partly because there are so many in shelters and often they're there because
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 05:09 PM
Apr 2016

they nipped someone.

My nephew adopted a year old pit bull after the shelter convinced him it could be trained out of its shy aggression. A couple years later, after a great deal of training, it still snaps when fearful. I don't know what they'll do when they have children.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
24. I know. . . . but there are so many of them in some shelters.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 07:24 PM
Apr 2016

So people decide to take a chance.

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
27. I have more of an issue with having the dog near the 3 day old, personally, than the breed.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 07:48 PM
Apr 2016

Yeah, these are powerful dogs and can do a lot of damage quickly. But I wouldn't let my cat or a small dog sleep in the bed with me and a three day old.

womanofthehills

(8,718 posts)
43. In 2015 - pit bulls caused the most deaths - rottweilers second
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:00 PM
Apr 2016
2015 dog bite fatality statistics

34 U.S. dog bite-related fatalities occurred in 2015. Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 700 U.S. cities, pit bulls contributed to 82% (28) of these deaths. Pit bulls make up about 6.6% of the total U.S. dog population.2
Together, pit bulls (28) and rottweilers (3), the second most lethal dog breed, accounted for 91% of the total recorded deaths in 2015. This same combination also accounted for 76% of all fatal attacks during the 11-year period of 2005 to 2015.
The breakdown between these two breeds is substantial over this 11-year period. From 2005 to 2015, pit bulls killed 232 Americans, about one citizen every 17 days, versus rottweilers, which killed 41, about one citizen every 98 days.
In the year of 2015, the combination of pit bulls (28), their close cousins, American bulldogs (2), and rottweilers (3) contributed to 97% (33) of all dog bite-related fatalities. Both American bulldog fatalities occurred in Miami-Dade County, Florida.
Annual data from 2015 shows that 41% (14) of the fatality victims were children ages 9-years and younger, and 59% (20) were adults, ages 22-years and older. Of the total adults killed by canines in 2015, 65% (13) were ages 60-years and older.









Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
55. Well, they are certainly cited quite often
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 12:59 AM
Apr 2016

...in all sorts of legal testimony, peer reviewed studies, and a few times by wiki, which does a pretty good job of vetting pseudoscience.

Anonymous posters on the internet, not so much.

womanofthehills

(8,718 posts)
65. Map of where your pit bull isn't welcome
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 01:02 PM
Apr 2016
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/06/bsl-map_n_7216190.html

In NM, the town of Tijeras has had a pit bull ban for 30 yrs.

30-Year Anniversary Video
Village of Tijeras, NM - On March 19, 1984, Angela Hands, 9-years old, was critically injured by four pit bulls belonging to a relative while walking home from school. Two younger pit bulls running loose initiated the attack. The two parent pit bulls then climbed a 6-foot high fenced enclosure and joined the destructive, sustained attack. After receiving extensive reconstructive surgeries, doctors estimated that Angela would continue to undergo these surgeries until she reached the age of 35.1

When the dogs finished with her, Angie Hands' right leg was gnawed to the bone. Flesh and muscle had been gouged from her upper arms, and the 9-year old's ear was ripped in half. - Syracus Herald-Journal, 19852

Just under two months later, the Village of Tijeras adopted a pit bull ban. The Court of Appeals of New Mexico upheld the constitutionality of the ban in 1988, which helped lay the legal framework for bans adopted by Denver and Miami in 1989. We discovered the Angela Hands footage3 while watching the Lucas County Dog Warden Dogfighting Compilation DVD (1987-1997). We captured key segments from the DVD to create this video, which reflects upon that time period and today.

http://blog.dogsbite.org/2014/03/30-year-anniversary-of-historic-pit-bull-attack-victim-angela-hands.html

Response to Abouttime (Reply #14)

Mariana

(14,858 posts)
36. Who? People who are absolutely certain
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 10:08 PM
Apr 2016

their dog would never, ever do anything like this.

Although I wouldn't be surprised if this dog has a history. It's just not normal for a dog to attack a baby because Mom coughed in bed.

Mariana

(14,858 posts)
41. This was not a nip.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 10:33 PM
Apr 2016

From the story: “The parents were able to separate the dog from the baby..." You don't have to do that when a startled dog nips someone.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
42. Of course it was not a nip, but a startled dog reacting is normal.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 10:46 PM
Apr 2016

it's one of the reasons why I never let our Sheltie, as sweet as she was, sleep in a bed with our kids. Not ever happening in my house. Hello people... Sometimes, you can't fix stupid, and these people were stupid.

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
29. FYI: Most Dangerous Dog Breeds: As Per 1982 - 2013 Bite and Attack Statistics
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 08:01 PM
Apr 2016
https://pethelpful.com/dogs/Most-Dangerous-Dog-Breeds

I'm shocked to find the 'Husky' as #3 in the most dangerous list. They don't distinguish between the Siberian or American Husky however.

Mine absolutely loves kids but still, I would never leave him with a infant/toddler.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
31. Huskies can do a lot of damage
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 08:07 PM
Apr 2016

An American Husky is just a Siberian mixed with another breed. Usually Malamute, Shepard, Inuit, etc.

Mine had a siberian dad and an American mom. I was always very aware of the damage those teeth could do if I did not do MY job by controlling him. I would have never let him near a baby. Not a risk I would be willing to take.

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
34. My Riley is a big ole 12yo love bug and I never saw him
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 08:33 PM
Apr 2016

aggressive at all except...

One evening he was sleeping next to me as I watched tv and all the sudden in his sleep, he turned into a cujo during that dream. Damn those teeth!!!

I sure wouldn't want to have to tangle with him if he was pissed off. Wish I had taped it as it was truly hard to believe.

I was doing some further reading after posting this and learned that a lot of dogs get thrown into the category of "Husky" such as the more aggressive breeds, Malamute, Akita, etc.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
47. Yup all it takes is once
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:15 PM
Apr 2016

I saw mine snarl when I went to take his meat bone away. After a brief "discussion" He never ever did that again towards me and I made sure he never had one at a time or place where things could turn bad with other people.

I never blame the animal when things like this happen. It is the human being with whom the "buck stops".

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,330 posts)
35. I watched a Husky kill a small dog in one shake at the dog park.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 09:40 PM
Apr 2016

The small dog owner, I'm sorry to say, was stupid for having that tiny dog in a park with big dogs. The Husky looked down at that smal dog like it was a rodent, picked up, shook it and tossed it. It happened so fast.

And yeah, I would never leave any dog with a toddler or infant. Stupid.

I don't like my 13 year old cattle-dog/sharpei mix around kids too much. It's just not worth the risk.

My neighbor's 4 year old absolutely loves her. Last year we were on the back deck with the kid playing. I was getting a little nervous. Her and the dog went running across the deck and got their feet tangled and fell on eachother. The kid comes up with a scratch on her nose. Was it a claw, a nip or something else? Luckily it wasn't much more than a cherry.

My other neighbor's 3 year old got nipped in the ear by their Beagle. No one saw it happen. The dog and the kid pretty much tended to steer clear of eachother. My guess is the kid fell on the dog while the dog was in his own bed. It required a trip to the ER and a couple stitches. Of course, the ER was obligated to call the police. The cops didn't press the issue.

Mariana

(14,858 posts)
38. They said they didn't leave the dog with the baby.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 10:17 PM
Apr 2016

They told the cops they were watching TV in bed with the baby and the dog was on the bed too. They were right there.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,330 posts)
46. Yikes.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:09 PM
Apr 2016

A dog, no matter what breed, can do a lot of damage to an infant in the blink of an eye.

Would a dog even understand what and who a 3 day old is?

Sad all the way around.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
57. They appear to come from an alternate reality where a bullmastiff and a presna canario (sic) are the
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 02:28 AM
Apr 2016

same dog.

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
33. Absolutely tragic, but yes, stupid to have any animal near an infant that little.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 08:16 PM
Apr 2016

As I said above, I wouldn't have my cat or small dog in bed with me and the three day old.

I feel horrible for all involved. Heartbreaking.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
59. People just don't realize how quickly animals can tear apart another animal -- it
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 11:05 AM
Apr 2016

takes no time at all. Split seconds. I would NEVER allow ANY animal near a baby or toddler for exactly that reason.

Phentex

(16,334 posts)
60. Hell, I wouldn't let my husband sleep next to the baby!
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 11:21 AM
Apr 2016

I was afraid he'd roll over on him.

We had a rottweiler at the time and and she was so gentle with my son but they were never, ever, EVER left alone together. She would get in her crate to get away from my son when he got a little older.

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
50. Ugh. Tragic that it happened. Although the
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 12:22 AM
Apr 2016

Title is just inflammatory.

Could have said Great Dane mix kills baby

Orrex

(63,216 posts)
61. The important thing is that we not blame the dog
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 11:30 AM
Apr 2016

Because dogs are family members and are as good as people no strike that they're better than people and dogs can only do good and anything bad that dogs do is some stupid human's fault and I'll bet the human bit the baby and blamed it on the dog and why do you hate pitbulls you stupid blind genocidal ignorant racist?!?!?!?!?

ronnie624

(5,764 posts)
62. 'Pit bull' owners need the shit slapped out of them for being so stupid,
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 11:36 AM
Apr 2016

and then they need to be slapped for shitting.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
63. what a horrid mix, dane and pitbull. so careless to allow any dog free access to an infant
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 11:40 AM
Apr 2016

a dog can just stand up and step on the infant and kill it.

Bettie

(16,110 posts)
66. I've had dogs and babies
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 01:13 PM
Apr 2016

You need to be fully aware of where the dog is and where the baby is and keep them both supervised to avoid tragic accidents.

If your dog is easily startled, you need to take extra caution.

Even with our very gentle, kid-friendly dog, when our youngest was born, we were very careful when he was around her.

It is all about using common sense, not about a particular breed of dog.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
69. The first sentence puts the lie to the headline.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 02:04 PM
Apr 2016

It was a mutt. It wasn't a Pit Bull any more than it was a Great Dane.

And if it was that nervous that it would attack just because it was startled, it shouldn't have been around people at all, much less a baby.

But of course these simple facts won't sway those who advocate for canine genocide, want to trample on human rights & want to rip families apart.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Pit bull kills newborn ba...