Whoops! Homeopathy is real!!!!! The World Homeopathy Summit proves it!!!

[HuckleB]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7775208

[In_The_Wind]

1. But, my Arnica Cream was prescribed by a real MD two weeks ago.

[DeadLetterOffice]

2. Arnica is NATUROPATHIC not HOMEOPATHIC

They are very very different things.

(Unless your arnica cream doesn't actually have any arnica in it. In which case it IS homeopathic and your MD should be ashamed of themself.)

[In_The_Wind]

3. Whoops.

Silly me

True story: A friend was hit by a car. He has a fractured fibula. I bought the Arnica for him to use until he saw a doctor. Imagine my surprise when he came home (after getting an xray) with written directions from the doc about using arnica cream and pills

[DeadLetterOffice]

4. I love my arnica.

I have chronic pain issues and a wicked inability to take NSAIDS, so often arnica is my only option.

[OregonBlue]

5. Correct. Arnica is medicine. Homeopathy is the same as the placebo effect.

[HuckleB]

7. Cool story, bro.

The most therapeutic part of that treatment is the act of rubbing it in. You either have an MD who is ok with recommending placebo, or one who doesn't understand how science works.

It's your choice whether or not to keep going to such an individual.

[Mona]

6. Arnica is Homeopathic....

You probably won't find the actual herbal around. Works great.

[HuckleB]

8. Massaging it in is great. You don't need the arnica memory though. I

[X_Digger]

9. "nano-particles"!! I love how quacks use a word (or cognate) that's popular or relevant to fool..

.. folks into thinking it's real science.

"Quantum-" whatever used to be the hot buzz-word, thanks in part to all the news about the LHC and Cern.

[Major Nikon]

10. I also used to think chemtrails were fake, HIV caused AIDS, and GMOs didn't cause autism

Amazing how much a simple piece of thin metal can open your eyes to things you could never see before.

[HuckleB]

11. It does protect one from dihydrogen monoxide, at least temporarily!

[AxionExcel]

12. Dementia: How Big Pharma is harming our senior citizens - SALON

Already justifiably despised for price gouging, and for funding regular, systematic, disingenuous attacks on competing non-toxic holistic health practices like acupuncture and homeopathy, Big Pharma, Inc. is now being fingered for the profoundly debilitating "side effects' of its synthetic-chemical pharmaceutical concoctions.

DANGER: Pharmaceuticals can engender DEMENTIA - April 21, 2016, Salon

How Big Pharma is harming our senior citizens

"...people are taking more drugs than ever before and not always aware of their side effects and interactions. This “polypharmacy” can produce everything from falls and accidents to behavior that is quickly termed dementia in the elderly, even when it is clearly from drug effects...."

http://www.salon.com/2016/04/21/it_might_not_be_dementia_how_big_pharma_is_harming_our_senior_citizens_partner/

[HuckleB]

13. This does not justify the promotion of snake oil.

Ever.

Thanks for your predictable response.

https://sciencebasedlife.wordpress.com/2011/12/10/homeopathy-is-nonsense-and-so-can-you/

[AxionExcel]

14. Dementia is a serious problem

Especially when viewed in context of how toxic synthetic drug makers are operating unfairly by funding and sustaining disingenuous campaigns against non-toxic competition.

[HuckleB]

16. Again, this does not justify the promotion of snake oil.

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http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2014/11/have-homeopaths-reached-peak-stupid.html

[AxionExcel]

17. I'm opposing the snake oil of Big Pharma...

...and I'm establishing the context of their sustained, disingenuous & underhanded campaign against non-toxic holistic health competition.

You are welcome.

[HuckleB]

18. You're promoting snake oil, and that's not ok.

Pointing out side effects of treatments that have actual function does not change that. In fact, it only serves to show your true purpose, as you only pay attention to one side of the scientific ledger, and then only in regard to legitimate treatments.

Your love for Big Placebo is well established. It's not ok.

https://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2016/01/23/the-preposterous-nonsense-known-as-homoeopathy/

[AxionExcel]

19. My pointing out the BS attacks of Big Pharma on non-toxic competitors is clearly not OK with you

But it's very much OK with the hundreds of millions of people worldwide who suffer from Big Pharma's price gouging, it's corrupt corporate "science" intended to obfuscate and confuse, it's well-funded efforts to snuff out non-toxic completion, and the staggering, horrendous array of toxic and debilitating "side effects" that accompany their pharmaceutical products.

Your demand that people embrace IGNORANCE and overlook these ugly realities about Big Pharma and it's unholy competitive tactics against non-toxic health alternatives is NOT OK.

[HuckleB]

20. You're promoting worthless snake oil.

That's not ok. Your marketing propaganda doesn't matter. It's just a ludicrous attempt to justify the unjustifiable. It's not ok.

You're the one who demands that others remain ignorant. You're the one who only cares about some of the scientific evidence. You toss out all the evidence that shows your promotion of snake oil to be without warrant. That's not ok.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Big_Placebo

[AxionExcel]

22. Huck, your 'Magical Thinking' is not OK. In fact, it's profoundly disturbing to decent folk

I have no where on this thread promoted homeopathy or any other form of non-toxic holistic health care. I've not even voiced an option about whether any of that stuff works or not.

The malignant, misinformed fantasy that I have somehow promoted it - as you seem OBSESSED WITH - is totally a result of your "Magical Thinking, Inc." and has no basis whatsoever in reality. I trust that you are not stooping so low as to intentionally lie about this matter, thus by the process of elimination it must be your "Magical Thinking."

I'm just a hard-working schlub trying to earn a decent wage slaving in the salt mines, so to speak, and the only things I know about homeopathy are that it's non-toxic and that Big Pharma regards it as competiton and is trying to squash it.

I could never muster the kind of raw arrogance that it would take to make a pronouncement about the validity of a non-toxic health approach that hundreds of millions of people use and find effective. Rather, I respect the right of other people to employ their own faculties of discernment based on their direct personal experience, and to employ free will to choose non-toxic approaches to health care over toxic synthetic approaches.

So - for the sake of decency - please stop repeating patently false information about me. It's not OK.

Just as the vast array of debilitating side effects from the overpriced products of Big Pharma, Inc. are not OK.

[HuckleB]

23. The irony would be rich if it weren't so ludicrous.

[HuckleB]

21. Homeopathy Continues To Fail At Everything

http://edzardernst.com/2016/04/celebrating-homeopathy-awareness-week-part-2/

"...

1. A few weeks ago, it was reported that a master’s degree in homeopathic medicine at one of Spain’s top universities has been scrapped. Remarkably, the reason was “lack of scientific basis”. A university spokesman confirmed the course was being discontinued and gave three main reasons: “Firstly, the university’s Faculty of Medicine recommended scrapping the master’s because of the doubt that exists in the scientific community. Secondly, a lot of people within the university – professors and students across different faculties – had shown their opposition to the course. Thirdly, the postgraduate degree in homeopathic medicine is no longer approved by Spain’s Health Ministry.”

2. On January 30, a group of experts from all walks of life met in Freiburg to discuss ways of informing the public responsibly and countering the plethora of misinformation that Germans are regularly exposed to on the subject of homeopathy. They founded the ‘Information Network Homeopathy‘ and decided on a range of actions.

3. Earlier that month, the Nobel laureate Venkatraman Ramakrishnan called homeopathy ‘bogus’. “They (homeopaths) take arsenic compounds and dilute it to such an extent that just a molecule is left. It will not make any effect on you. Your tap water has more arsenic. No one in chemistry believes in homeopathy. It works because of placebo effect,” he was quoted saying.

...

8. The Hungarian Academy of Sciences statement proposing the same scientific standards for homeopathic drug registration as for normal drugs Members of the Section of Medical Sciences of the Hungarian Academy of Sciences (HAS) voted unanimously on 9 November 2015 for supporting the earlier proposal of the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences. The Swedish statement requested that the homeopathic remedies should go through the same efficacy trials as normal drugs should.

..."

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It appears that time will take care of this nonsense, but why it's taking so long is still bizarre.

[FrodosPet]

15. Homeopathic A&E

"OK, so you kill the odd patient with cancer or heart disease, or bronchitis, flu, chicken pox, or measles. But when someone comes in with a vague sense of unease, or a touch of the nerves, or even just more money then sense, you'll be there for them! Bottle of just basically water in one hand, and a huge invoice in the other."