almost 40% of union households voted for Walker

[GusFring]

Obama's fault

[Scootaloo]

1. *ahem*

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Really, my fellow union members? REALLY?!

[ProgressiveEconomist]

18. IMO, this shows the need for LABOR EDUCATION is so great that unions need to start with

unions need to start with their own members and those members' families.

Ideally, unions would be educating the general public about workers' rights and how painfully those rights were won, but Wisconsis has shown us even union members and their families know very little about such things.

What do public school history books teach kids about labor history in the US? Have the Texas reich-winger nincompoops who hold so much sway over textbook publishers quietly done away with labor history in schools?

How often do the entertainment media feature stories that touch on unions and their members and leaders? Besides "The Sopranos", I've seen very little in recent years.

[tabatha]

2. Yep, It's Obama's fault that the Kochs have so much money and Walker is a liar, as well.

Your doubt-sewing won't work.

[deaniac21]

3. Walker is laying in his evil lair while he lies through his teeth.

[Bolo Boffin]

19. I believe the "Obama's fault"

was meant sarcastically.

[Tarheel_Dem]

4. What I'm wondering is...did the recall organizers know that there was no majority support for....

the recall and proceed anyway? Or did something change along the way? And what made them think the guy who lost the first time, was best suited to face off with Walker a second time?

[The Magistrate]

13. Timing Was a Problem, Sir

In the heat of the demonstrations, at the time of the first wave of recall elections against state senators, polling showed Walker would lose, and indeed, would lose badly to Mayor Barret. But at that time, Walker had not been in office long enough to commence a recall petition. It was easy enough to think the earlier passion could be rekindled.

[Tarheel_Dem]

20. Fair enough. Some here have speculated that if the recall had been timed to coincide with the GE..

things might look quite different. Of course, no one can be certain of that. I'm still dealing with the fact that nearly 40% of union households voted for Walker's reelection.

[The Magistrate]

5. No, Sir: Those Idiots Are To Blame For What They Did, And Nobody Else

[polichick]

9. Divide and conquer works with a lot of union members I guess.

[shcrane71]

6. That's bullshit. Don't believe everything you read. nt

[babylonsister]

7. Got a link, or wishful thinking? nt

[polichick]

8. msnbc reported 37% last hour - really sad.

[dems_rightnow]

10. Link 38%

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/06/05/us/politics/wisconsin-recall-exit-polls.html

Surprised me, too.

[freshwest]

11. Cany you provide a link to source that claim, or was this figure from radio?

The Reagan Democrats included union members. We saw how well that worked out for the unions.

The Democratic Party is chastized for not being pro-labor enough, so what did union members find to be pro-labor in Walker and the GOP?

What does that have to do with Obama?

[nanabugg]

12. 40% of those in "private sector unions" you mean. They are the ones who hate that public sector

employees had better management of their pensions and better union deals for their protection. These 40% are angry that their pensions and benefits were scammed, squandered, or wasted on bad investments by the PRIVATE SECTOR fund managers who now still collect huge bonuses.

[polichick]

15. They're directing legitimate anger at the wrong people - stupid pawns.

[demosincebirth]

16. You would be suprise how many union households vote against their own interests as so

many others. That, to me, is the mystery of all time.

[Scootaloo]

17. Misinformation and weak unions

look, the ugly truth is.. .there ARE an awful lot of local unions out there that are corrupt or too weak to back up their members. So those members see "these guys are taking $20 out of my paycheck and I get nothing for it!" and end up taking an anti-union viewpoint. I've seen this happen extremely often with teamsters. It can also often seem as though the union is more interested in the union than in the membership. Pretty easy to expect from -any- organization, really, but it doesn't do any good for strengthening labor.

It can become a feedback loop; a union loses members, becomes unable to care for those members as readily, and so starts to focus on self-preservation, which can come at the expense of remaining members, who get fed up and leave, etc.

Throw on top forty years of right-wing and corporate lies about how unions work (Where I work, the SEIU leader -always-, as in every interview, -always- has to field questions about union dues going to political activity).

Like I was saying in another post... I think we're back at starting from scratch.

[Starry Messenger]

14. That's households counted, not individual members.

I'm hearing some scuttlebutt that the numbers of actual Walker union voters was closer to 25%, and was mostly private sector union members. The news programs used the "household" #'s to make it look higher than it really was.

[pstokely]

21. What percentage of those are in public unions?

?

[JoePhilly]

22. The GOP's effort to pit private employees against public employees works.

Divide and Conquer.

The GOP strips private employees of wages and benefits, and then gets those same people to demand that public employees be stripped of the same ... meanwhile, CEO salaries increase.

[Scuba]

23. Source?

[BellaLuna]

24. Divide and Conquer

Convince the private unions the public sector is screwing them over. This has been achieved.

Now the private unions will be vilified and disgraced - and they'll wonder WTF happened even though they contributed to their own demise.

[Matariki]

25. go away.