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abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 03:30 PM Jun 2012

Wisconsin Recap: Thanks to Obama, American Left Lies in Smoldering Wreckage

Wisconsin Recap: Thanks to Obama, American Left Lies in Smoldering Wreckage

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/06/wisconsin-recap-thanks-to-obama-american-left-lies-in-smoldering-wreckage.html#comment-729935

On Tuesday, Wisconsin Republican Governor Scott Walker humiliated his Democratic opponent, Tom Barrett, by easily turning back a popular recall attempt sponsored by unions and liberal activists. The numbers in the election, which were supposed to be close, were ugly, in favor of the Republican. But this wasn’t just any Republican, Scott Walker is THE Republican, the politician who made his governorship a referendum on a hard right agenda, in a blue state. Walker waged a direct and very public attack on the major constituencies of the Democratic Party, rolling back rights for women, the working class, and the young with measures such as ending collective bargaining for state employees, privatizing state assets, and repealing Wisconson’s equal pay provisions for women. His agenda provoked a fierce reaction – – Wisconsin citizens occupied the Statehouse for months - and then a recall.

Yesterday, Walker’s agenda was ratified by the voters of Wisconsin, the state where public sector unions were born. It’s hard to overstate how bad this is – Wisconsin is now on the road to becoming a right-to-work state, in what is likely to become a right-to-work country. Right-to-work laws are provisions that allow individual employees to withdraw from unions, and they make it much harder for unions to organize.

And the deeper you look into the race, the worse it looks. By calling for a recall instead of a general strike after Walker stripped collective bargaining rights and cut benefits for workers, labor and Democratic leadership in the state diverted and then subverted populist energy, channeling it into an electoral process (at least one union, one very active in the occupation of the Capitol, stood apart from the electoral stupidity). Then, Barrett, an anti-labor centrist, won the Democratic primary by crushing his labor-backed opponent, Kathleen Falk. Finally, Barrett himself was destroyed by Scott Walker, who outspent Barrett 7-1 with corporate money. In other words, first, liberals lost a policy battle, then they failed to strike, then they lost a primary election, then they lost a general election to the most high-profile effective reactionary policy-maker in the country. The conservative beat the moderate who beat the liberal. And had Barrett won, he wouldn’t even have rolled back Walker’s agenda. Somehow, in a no-win electoral situation, Democrats and labor managed to lose as badly as they possibly could.

What happened?

(more at link)

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I find it a bit ironic that this article calls for a general strike and support from Obama when most of the posts I read by Stoller are divisive and highly critical of the administration, but whatever. Maybe it's just another chance to tell readers how there's no difference between the parties. (This working mother thinks otherwise, but Stoller is a white guy so surely things look different from his perspective.)

But Unions are under attack and over the years I've watched the union pass up many calls for strikes in favor of more bargaining. And every time that bargaining leads to compromises that leave workers with less and corporations with more. There have been calls on this site for a general strike in the past, but they are always reasoned away. What do workers have left? How much worse do things have to be before that would ever be considered?




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Wisconsin Recap: Thanks to Obama, American Left Lies in Smoldering Wreckage (Original Post) abelenkpe Jun 2012 OP
He's been president 4 years. Unions have been losing for 40 years Scootaloo Jun 2012 #1
Ask Stoller abelenkpe Jun 2012 #7
What needs to be done for unions to regain their effectiveness? Scootaloo Jun 2012 #16
meeting their needs is precisely the point. they haven't been. that's not a fault of the union HiPointDem Jun 2012 #44
I just googled him. pennylane100 Jun 2012 #13
He used the same time machine that allowed him to fake that Hawaiian birth announcement. Orsino Jun 2012 #68
Wow. TheWraith Jun 2012 #2
Yeah I know abelenkpe Jun 2012 #3
Look at his other pieces -- Obama was the sole cause of blame for Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #6
Well, he has a point. Liberal Veteran Jun 2012 #8
That's exactly the headline the GOP wants us to believe. Avalux Jun 2012 #4
Good question abelenkpe Jun 2012 #9
It must be a lot of fun for paid 'liberal' bloggers to write something like this, Avalux Jun 2012 #21
How can we find out? abelenkpe Jun 2012 #27
I think Stoller is probably just a disgruntled ideologist... Avalux Jun 2012 #28
Oh, god...He was one of the "Primary Obama" assclowns just last year Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #5
Yes yes.... abelenkpe Jun 2012 #15
blaming the president is too simplistic fascisthunter Jun 2012 #10
Gees! Whatta maroon! longship Jun 2012 #11
I totally understand abelenkpe Jun 2012 #18
One thing. ananda Jun 2012 #12
Bummer abelenkpe Jun 2012 #37
cal is busy defunding pensions. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #45
ugh that should be illegal! nt abelenkpe Jun 2012 #48
Stoller's an idiot. AverageJoe90 Jun 2012 #14
Yep :) nt abelenkpe Jun 2012 #49
Post removed Post removed Jun 2012 #52
Well, Rahm did give progressives the middle finger. HooptieWagon Jun 2012 #17
They should have struck. Counting on politicians is a fool's errand. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2012 #19
Well, that's three minutes of my life I'll never get back GarroHorus Jun 2012 #20
Obama may have done many bad things, but accusing him coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #22
Actually Greenspan's Sekhmets Daughter Jun 2012 #29
I was trying to be facetious about Greenspan. Of course, his monetary coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #30
Thanks for the Sekhmets Daughter Jun 2012 #31
Beep-beep-beep, look out. Load of RW propaganda coming thru... FSogol Jun 2012 #23
I cannot tell you how often abelenkpe Jun 2012 #24
unions are beyond rescue. Sekhmets Daughter Jun 2012 #32
That's what I feared abelenkpe Jun 2012 #35
Unions have outlived their usefulness Sekhmets Daughter Jun 2012 #40
+1 HiPointDem Jun 2012 #46
General strike? Don't see it happening. n/t FSogol Jun 2012 #47
Nonsense WilliamPitt Jun 2012 #25
Outsourcing, coupled with Sekhmets Daughter Jun 2012 #26
That's quite a title Stoller has got going there Cali_Democrat Jun 2012 #33
It could have been worse. Liberal Veteran Jun 2012 #34
OMG abelenkpe Jun 2012 #36
Naked Capitalism is a Shit Hole of Stupidity banned from Kos Jun 2012 #38
I find the comments attached to their posts abelenkpe Jun 2012 #41
While you were banned from Daily Kos for a good reason brentspeak Jun 2012 #53
The sentiment and language in the title of this OP is absolutely WRONG and total CRAP ! RBInMaine Jun 2012 #39
decreased strike activity HiPointDem Jun 2012 #42
Reagan? nt abelenkpe Jun 2012 #50
what? HiPointDem Jun 2012 #51
Was wondering if the decrease in strikes had anything to do with abelenkpe Jun 2012 #65
gotcha, yes, the timing is simultaneous. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #66
Tough to strike in front of closed, empty factories. People honk at you, call you homeless. n/t jtuck004 Jun 2012 #54
There were fewer of those 40 years ago when this trend began. Gee, maybe there's a HiPointDem Jun 2012 #56
Have you ever read the book "Who Stole My Cheese"? jtuck004 Jun 2012 #57
yes, it's another one of those books feeding people corporate-think disguised as self-help. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #59
Hey, whatever it takes to get people to pull their head out of their ass. n/t jtuck004 Jun 2012 #60
i say pull your head out to people who believe winning comes from the politics of concession & HiPointDem Jun 2012 #61
Read my post in SMW today? I'm guessing not. jtuck004 Jun 2012 #62
i don't even know what smw is. if you want someone to read something, you should link it. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #63
You're right. I arched and shouldn't have. I apologize. SMW is Stock Market Watch on DU, jtuck004 Jun 2012 #64
Spare me... blue neen Jun 2012 #43
"Scott Walker is THE Republican, the politician who made his governorship a referendum on jtuck004 Jun 2012 #55
Replacing good Dems like Howard Dean.. ananda Jun 2012 #58
+1000 nt abelenkpe Jun 2012 #67
 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
1. He's been president 4 years. Unions have been losing for 40 years
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 03:33 PM
Jun 2012

President Obama's demonic far-right influence is so damaging that it stretched back in time, TENFOLD!

...Are we being serious? Really?

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
7. Ask Stoller
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 03:42 PM
Jun 2012

The article is his typical slam the administration bit.

You are so right about unions losing for a long long time.

I'm wondering about a general strike. Do you ever see that happening? What needs to happen for unions to regain their effectiveness and power?

I think we need to organize globally.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
16. What needs to be done for unions to regain their effectiveness?
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 03:49 PM
Jun 2012

Oh man... At this point, it looks like we're back to that "start from scratch" point that our ancestors faced in the 19th century. The damage is so massive that I don't think we can count on any sort of "recovery."

Unfortunately, some of the damage is due to the unions themselves; the playbook hasn't really changed since the 1920's, but the workplace and corporate structure and goals most certainly have.

I really wish I had an answer; the easy answer is "more membership," but to get members, you not only have to have informed people.. .but the union also needs to be able to meet their needs. Nobody's going to want to pay dues for a union that doesn't have their back, after all.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
44. meeting their needs is precisely the point. they haven't been. that's not a fault of the union
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 07:33 PM
Jun 2012

concept, but a fault of the union leadership.

pennylane100

(3,425 posts)
13. I just googled him.
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 03:48 PM
Jun 2012

and found that he worked for Alan Grayson at one time. Hope he doesn't rehire him after the election.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
68. He used the same time machine that allowed him to fake that Hawaiian birth announcement.
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 02:11 PM
Jun 2012

Obviously.

TheWraith

(24,331 posts)
2. Wow.
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 03:35 PM
Jun 2012

Rarely have I seen an article so full of make believe. Apparently in this author's reality, general strikes work, Obama is personally responsible for every election everywhere, and the fantasies of hyper-left bloggers about labor being all-powerful don't at all conflict with the fact that the labor-backed candidates lost twice in Wisconsin, once in the primary and once in the recall.

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
3. Yeah I know
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 03:38 PM
Jun 2012

I don't like much of what Stoller writes. He complains we are divided while writing commentary to divide.

But the general strike thing serves other countries well. I was just wondering if anyone sees that as a possibility here? The cynic in me says no.

Liberal Veteran

(22,239 posts)
8. Well, he has a point.
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 03:43 PM
Jun 2012

If Obama would have campaigned for me, I would have won my bid to become class president in the 8th grade. I still bear the scars of his betrayal and inaction in my burgeoning attempt to become a political force.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
4. That's exactly the headline the GOP wants us to believe.
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 03:39 PM
Jun 2012

I wonder how much he was paid to write this piece of shit article?

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
9. Good question
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 03:45 PM
Jun 2012

Believe me his articles are par for the course on nakedcapitalism.com and other supposedly (once) left leaning sites. It does democrats no good to eat their own which is why I'm very unpopular on such sites.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
21. It must be a lot of fun for paid 'liberal' bloggers to write something like this,
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 03:54 PM
Jun 2012

then step back and watch Dems eat themselves. I wish people would figure it out. There's probably Koch money behind it.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
28. I think Stoller is probably just a disgruntled ideologist...
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 04:14 PM
Jun 2012

and not being paid by the Koch brothers (I am a bit bitter today). Doesn't really matter to me though; I wish he'd change his tactic and use his writing skills to bring us together rather than divide us.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
5. Oh, god...He was one of the "Primary Obama" assclowns just last year
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 03:40 PM
Jun 2012

You know, the type with a thousand reasons on why Obama shouldn't run for re-election, but you ask him who is able to actually defeat him in a primary and win a general election, there's nothing but cricket chirps...

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
15. Yes yes....
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 03:49 PM
Jun 2012

Sorry I know the article is inflammatory. But I thought the mention of a general strike was interesting. The recall did seem to diffuse things and as a floundering union member I was wondering how bad things have to get before workers in the US would actually consider that as an option. But now the thread is all about how Stoller is known for anti administration rants. (I agree with that!)

Good thing I'm not in charge of democratic party messaging huh?


 

fascisthunter

(29,381 posts)
10. blaming the president is too simplistic
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 03:45 PM
Jun 2012

look, the democratic party has moved to the right, and now with a right wing corporate media to constantly flood the mainstream with arguments for their interests is taking an effect on people. There is no REAL counter to the right wing. People in the US are too ignorant to know if they are being lied to. This country has been taken over by a corporate fascist 1%.... in fact, it isn't just happening here, it's happening all around the world. "Shrinking government to spur the economy".... right! Because, removing checks and balances from any system is the best idea...

longship

(40,416 posts)
11. Gees! Whatta maroon!
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 03:45 PM
Jun 2012

Thanks for post. We need to know what people are writing. But I cannot Rec this thread. Sorry, my friend.

ananda

(28,867 posts)
12. One thing.
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 03:47 PM
Jun 2012

Wisconsin is no longer a blue state.

The pressure for moderates, who used to sometimes swing
left, to turn rightwing is phenomenal...
and almost impossible to resist. First, there's association
with the bully winners; and secondly, there's the pressure
to appear "normal" and better than those liberal leftie socialists
and unions who are constantly attacked, ridiculed, and shamed in
the media.

Response to AverageJoe90 (Reply #14)

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
17. Well, Rahm did give progressives the middle finger.
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 03:49 PM
Jun 2012

So we know what the administration thinks of the left. I can understand saving his political capital for November... but if you throw people under the bus, dont expect them to later push it when the tanks.empty.

 

GarroHorus

(1,055 posts)
20. Well, that's three minutes of my life I'll never get back
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 03:52 PM
Jun 2012

Three minutes was as long as I could stomach that garbage.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
22. Obama may have done many bad things, but accusing him
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 03:55 PM
Jun 2012

of destroying home equity really takes the cake for over-the-top false attacks.

If Obama 'destroyed' home equity, then what did Greenspan's monetary policies do, 'create' it?

Jeesh. (Directed at a blatant lie buried in Stoller's piece, not at you

Sekhmets Daughter

(7,515 posts)
29. Actually Greenspan's
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 04:22 PM
Jun 2012

monetary policy did indeed create the bubble known as "home equity" value.... Many people recognized that Greenspan was creating a dangerous bubble in credit of which the housing bubble was part and parcel. People who have owned real estate over the past 4 decades knew it was happening....many just didn't care. Whenever interest rates are low housing prices go up and when interest rates are high, housing prices tank. The Fed's current refusal to raise interest rates is to keep people in the stock market and to keep housing prices from tanking even more.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
30. I was trying to be facetious about Greenspan. Of course, his monetary
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 04:30 PM
Jun 2012

policies enabled the bubble. But there was no 'there, there' (to quote Virginia Woolf out of context), as increases in housing prices far surpassed increases in median income (the source of real home equity as opposed to bubble-induced air).

My point was that Obama could not destroy any equity that was not real to begin with and it was unfair of the essayist Stoller to imply that Obama destroyed any equity.

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
24. I cannot tell you how often
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 04:04 PM
Jun 2012

I comment on his articles and others on supposedly left leaning blogs calling it right wing crap. Only to be told I'm a pawn of the elites.

But what do you think about a potential general strike? Possible? Never happen? Would it help strengthen unions or hurt them?

Sekhmets Daughter

(7,515 posts)
32. unions are beyond rescue.
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 04:57 PM
Jun 2012

Unions were formed when industry needed labor...today, thanks to the policies of both parties, industry does not need American labor and public sector unions are under attack because people who have had to accept lower paying "service" industry jobs with fewer benefits resent that their taxes are paying for pensions and health care for public sector workers. It's really that simple...Labor Unions raised all boats, outsourcing is lowering those boats.

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
35. That's what I feared
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 05:58 PM
Jun 2012

The union is making another go of trying to unionize the VFX industry. There have been many articles about it recently, but with all the studios having several overseas offices any attempt to unionize nationally seems futile.

I think we do need to start over and organize workers globally. Until then corporations will just keep pitting workers from different countries against one another. And governments. Subsidies to encourage work mean taxpayer dollars that should be spent on infrastructure and schools go instead to bribing multi national companies into bringing work to their shores.The whole thing is a mess.


Sekhmets Daughter

(7,515 posts)
40. Unions have outlived their usefulness
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 07:24 PM
Jun 2012

mainly because they put their trust into the Democratic Party which betrayed them at every turn. Think NAFTA and the trade agreements Obama has signed. Think about the fact that Democrats controlled the congress when Japan was allowed to take over the electronics industry and then the auto industry....Meanwhile the UAW wrung outrageous contracts from the Big 3...when a plant had to shut down temporarily because of over-production and lagging sales, workers were paid throughout the shut down.

You will never get the workers of China and India to cooperate with American workers....they were dirt poor before they were given the gift of American jobs. The only way to bring those jobs back here is for the congress to tax the products as
imports.... and for Americans to stop buying things made overseas. Apple works on a 51% margin for the newest iPhone which is not cheap....Americans should buy some other phone and send the old one back to Apple with a little note....I'll buy another iPhone when it's made here. 4 years ago I, and my late honey, purchased a GE Profile refrigerator for $2,300 and a GE Profile Stove for $2,000 both made in Mexico...I was not happy about that. I've since moved into a smaller place and had to purchase a new stove...I bought one made right here in the good old USA and I love it....Oh yeah it was $400. is self-cleaning, has 2 large burners + 2 small ones and a ceramic cook top. A Frigidaire... an old reliable brand....

I'm afraid most Americans are too self-absorbed to do anything to really help the nation...nothing will be done until 70% of Americans are living at the poverty level....

Sekhmets Daughter

(7,515 posts)
26. Outsourcing, coupled with
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 04:05 PM
Jun 2012

high unemployment, makes any type of strike highly unlikely as well as counter-productive. There are too many recently unemployed teachers, for example, all around the country who would be willing to move to Wisconsin in order to have a job.
We are witnessing the last gasps of a labor movement begun in the 19th century and slowly strangled to death over the past 50 years. It began when we allowed the Japanese to take over the "portable" radio and then television manufacturing. We did that by not placing high import duties on those items and not holding them to the same laws we held American manufacturers...thus the Japanese government subsidized the electronics industry so they could undercut the pricing of American products and American companies, by law, could not sell their products below cost. Americans lost jobs and no one said anything because those radios and televisions were cheap. The first Japanese cars imported into the US were crappy pieces of junk but they were cheap and many Americans bought them because of that. Again the Japanese gov't subsidized their auto industry and before anyone knew what had happened Chrysler, Ford and GM were in financial trouble. Today the Chinese government subsidizes numerous industries, including solar panels...When Obama announced a $2 billion plan for the solar panel industry, China responded by injecting $30 billion into theirs, crushing our production and Europe's as well....The newest Apple iPhone is manufactured in China, with a 51% gross margin, the previous model had a 56% gross margin....gorilla glass is expensive...No import duties....Have you seen the price of Apple stock lately? We are so screwed it's beyond belief and both parties are to blame.

Liberal Veteran

(22,239 posts)
34. It could have been worse.
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 05:16 PM
Jun 2012

Thanks to Obama, American Left Has Been Forcibly Sodomized and Given an Incurable STD While He Laughs Maniacally and Urinates on their Ravaged Flesh.

I'm better at hyperbole than Stoller.


But yeah, that was an over the top title.

 

banned from Kos

(4,017 posts)
38. Naked Capitalism is a Shit Hole of Stupidity
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 06:05 PM
Jun 2012

and Stoller is its clown prince.

Yves Smith is the Mad Queen.

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
41. I find the comments attached to their posts
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 07:27 PM
Jun 2012

really scary. I hope those happily agreeing to not vote for Obama aren't actual liberals.

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
65. Was wondering if the decrease in strikes had anything to do with
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 12:17 PM
Jun 2012

Reagan presidency?

Found out our unions actually has a no strike clause. WTF? Then what recourse do workers have? I just feel sometimes like there is no way for the average workers voice to be heard anymore at all. We're expected to work and consume and stay silent.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
57. Have you ever read the book "Who Stole My Cheese"?
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 12:53 AM
Jun 2012

Basically it's a story about people who have suddenly discovered that what they had is gone, and what they go through in the aftermath. Some do well, some never break free.

It's told from the perspective of mice who suddenly lose the big block of cheese they had, but the characters are universal.

I can't help thinking that some people are trying to save what they had instead of looking to the future.

What they had may well be gone, and maybe they need to figure out a new direction. That can be hard, terribly hard, and harder to think that perhaps it (job, career, whatever) wasn't as good as it seemed anyway. But maybe not as hard, or sad, as spending the rest of their life trying to reclaim what is gone.

We have lost millions of factory jobs, likely not coming back because of the world we live in. But there are a million opportunities in working toward the future (as soon as enough realizes it has ALWAYS taken the government AND the people to create real opportunity on the scale we need).

so, organizing, educating, doing...

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
61. i say pull your head out to people who believe winning comes from the politics of concession &
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 01:27 AM
Jun 2012

compromise as practiced for the last 40 years.

you apparently think different. go along to get along with the "reality," as advised by every corporatist self-help tome.

v. creating new realities not dictated by corporate needs and ideologies.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
62. Read my post in SMW today? I'm guessing not.
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 01:41 AM
Jun 2012

there's a couple others.

You probably wouldn't think that. But then again, it's a crazy world...
 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
63. i don't even know what smw is. if you want someone to read something, you should link it.
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 01:44 AM
Jun 2012

instead of acting archly superior.

the fact is that labor activity -- slowdowns, strikes, work stoppages -- took a huge dive after the 1970s; labor basically disarmed itself and preached concession and give-back.

what it got them was shut-down plants, declining union membership, and the perception even among members that the leadership were bought leeches.

that history should be instructive.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
64. You're right. I arched and shouldn't have. I apologize. SMW is Stock Market Watch on DU,
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 02:29 AM
Jun 2012

and here is a link which I hoped would tell someone about an effort to promote cooperatives where the employees own the assets. Have their own corporation, let the phone answering machine talk to the greedy bastards. Not easy, but might be better for the human spirit.

Glad to be able to tell someone about SMW, though. Very smart people, put it out every market day, an effort which another poster praised "Our own Economy Group has the BEST images". If the economy is circling the drain, you will hear it there, and why, first. Seriously, good news is sometimes met with skepticism, perhaps because it often remains just news.

There is a lot of instructive history out there, and it will be applied in a lot of different ways. The United Steelworkers just signed an agreement to explore employee ownership through cooperatives with Mondragon, maybe work on opening some of the factories themselves. In that scenario the union they knew is gone, (well, for them) and they become owners/workers/managers, their union is with each other and other cooperatives. The enemy becomes the competition outside the cooperative. That you own.

Maybe that's a good evolution for some part of the union.




 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
55. "Scott Walker is THE Republican, the politician who made his governorship a referendum on
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 10:48 PM
Jun 2012

a hard right agenda, in a blue state. Walker waged a direct and very public attack on the major constituencies of the Democratic Party, rolling back rights for women, the working class, and the young with measures such as ending collective bargaining for state employees, privatizing state assets, and repealing Wisconson’s equal pay provisions for women. His agenda provoked a fierce reaction – – Wisconsin citizens occupied the Statehouse for months - and then a recall.
...
Up and down the ticket, Democrats are operating under the shadow of the President, associated with unpopular policies that make the lives of voters worse and show government to be an incompetent, corrupt handmaiden to big business. So they keep losing."
_____________________________

That's what the article is about - why isn't anyone talking about that evil that is Scott Walker?

Look around - why are more people joining those in poverty, while investment bankers, venture capitalists, and junk bond traders like Mi$$ Rmoney are parading their wealth around in our faces? When I look for cause I tend to follow the money, and it's easy to see who has it.

That is happening under our current policies. One can make all the excuses they want, but where was the real fight to get something better or die trying?

Because there are people who are no longer with us today who died as a result of fraud or cuts, simply so the people with the money could profit. It has been going on for several years now, and yet we haven't stopped it? If Democrats don't, who will? And if they won't , who needs 'em?

Why must people complain about someone who just wants the Democrats to win, or at least our common enemy to lose, or, failing that, to stop acting as serfs to the monied class? Scott Walker is hurting people today. Still. And with all the work Democrats did he won bigger this time than he did last time. And people turned out, by golly.

The rich guy's money can only buy so many people, however. A persuasive message that motivates people's spirit could overcome that. I believe (sorry, into Oz mode for a moment) that if we could hold a persuasive message or real opportunity together as Democrats we could make those people so mad they would throw their 42" digital monitor at the next one of these little Republican turds that dared show their face.

Then how would the Koch's spend their kabillion dollars?

But maybe they are getting help. From us.


"...he has indeed nothing more than the power that you confer upon him to destroy you. Where has he acquired enough eyes to spy upon you, if you do not provide them yourselves? How can he have so many arms to beat you with, if he does not borrow them from you? The feet that trample down your cities, where does he get them if they are not your own?

How does he have any power over you except through you?"

de La Boetie, about 1552


Imho, Democrats, and the country and our neighbors, win when they fight for real opportunity for everyone. The Republicans have a plan, the systematic destruction of the lives that depend on programs the Democrats put in place.

Our plan? To Not Let That Happen!

uh huh.

How about a plan to employ 25 million people for two years, open multiple vo-techs for modern skills, math, metallurgy and philosophy in every state, teach business models, including cooperative business, we cover the tuition because you will likely start a business and pay taxes. At a higher rate than Mi$$ Rmoney, I bet. Maybe update some stuff, tell the congressional thugs trying to block innovation to take a hike and put their pictures on bulletin boards across the U.S. as people standing in between "you and a job"? Talk investment, not debt. Debt can be addressed with the right investment. Assuming we do that.

Anyway...

Our enemies and their destruction are my favorite topic today

Think Scott Walker is going to jail?







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