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Mira

(22,380 posts)
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 03:52 PM Apr 2016

We had a neighborhood dilemma, stood up against it, and we lost

A large flower shop, built only 7 years before, was demolished after the flower shop moved and sold the land and building to Family Dollar.
We are an older neighborhood, historic, in NC, we are very diverse and wonderful. We fought tooth and nail with meetings, with petitions, the city council, and with hundreds of yard signs of “Family Dollar / NO”
It made no difference.
The site was razed and the store was built and in a week it will be open.

On a fence bordering the parking lot over which they have no control and that they do not own words started to appear. They were individually lettered and randomly nailed up. They did not make sense, during construction more words appeared, one every now and then, and this week it began to coalesce and read:

"Why would Family Dollar build a store in the middle of a neighborhood that asked it not to?
That’s what a 16 Billion Dollar corporate Bully does!”




As you can see it is a neighborhood full of artists.
That’s how we can make ourselves feel a little better, because they cannot take it down. And our not patronizing the store will make a difference to their not having listened.

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We had a neighborhood dilemma, stood up against it, and we lost (Original Post) Mira Apr 2016 OP
you can bet shanti Apr 2016 #1
They were foolish to follow through. Mira Apr 2016 #4
I hope that turns out to be exactly the case. Hortensis Apr 2016 #18
Mira, you need to start a neighborhood organiztion NOW Baobab Apr 2016 #87
Great suggestion. They need to foresee and Hortensis Apr 2016 #90
I'm guessing they will do just fine. Travis_0004 Apr 2016 #47
the family dollars around here are dumps Mosby Apr 2016 #2
Family Dollar, or Dollar Tree? Family Dollar (rips off poor people) was bought out by djean111 Apr 2016 #3
Most of my neighbors shop at Dollar Tree,as do I. virgogal Apr 2016 #43
Likely your local planning department sees your neighborhood as being poor soon. Baobab Apr 2016 #85
Aaaah,no. Our median house price is $450,000.00 and rising. virgogal Apr 2016 #112
Beware what you buy at dollar stores Doremus Apr 2016 #94
I buy bleach, name brand dish detergent, things like that. djean111 Apr 2016 #99
Blame Art Pope. alarimer Apr 2016 #5
Pope has Roses - he changed the name after protesters targeted him. blm Apr 2016 #13
I dont think he owns Save-a-Lot rather I read that he cstanleytech Apr 2016 #66
The Roses I pass here in Charlotte was changed. blm Apr 2016 #75
Heres a link article to an article that might explain it better cstanleytech Apr 2016 #76
Perhaps he thinks the Roses name is toxic in Dem stronghold counties. ; ) blm Apr 2016 #77
I kinda doubt it as Save-aLot is purely a grocery store where as Roses cstanleytech Apr 2016 #88
In a red state, big money rules. BillZBubb Apr 2016 #6
"the way things are going" They are already gone. n/t jtuck004 Apr 2016 #67
boycott ananda Apr 2016 #7
Love all the signs!!! I hope the community does not give them their business! secondwind Apr 2016 #8
Love your neighborhood signs Lifelong Protester Apr 2016 #9
I was shocked to see one open on the Great River Road in Pepin, WI, last year. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2016 #31
I agree, I dislike it Lifelong Protester Apr 2016 #96
where in NC is this bullshit going on? retrowire Apr 2016 #10
Mira - you are now a consumer malaise Apr 2016 #11
Sadly, that seems to be.... daleanime Apr 2016 #62
We have a Dollar General. murielm99 Apr 2016 #12
DG is doing what Walmart hasn't accomplished, kill off Purveyor Apr 2016 #15
i've been to a lot of them hfojvt Apr 2016 #19
The DG near my apartment is pretty clean. romanic Apr 2016 #53
Why so against Family Dollar? hfojvt Apr 2016 #14
Creatives and artists are probably our last hope. xfundy Apr 2016 #16
What really stinks is that if a boycott suceeds the empty eyesore is left csziggy Apr 2016 #17
Like that idea!!! 2naSalit Apr 2016 #22
Or a market that is a co-op. Those can really thrive. n/t cui bono Apr 2016 #34
K&R Jeffersons Ghost Apr 2016 #20
This op hit home. ridgenvalley Apr 2016 #21
Family Dollar should change thier name to "The Family Takes Your Last Dollar". They're not really Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #23
They have highly toxic products also. glinda Apr 2016 #27
And outdated food. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #28
Outdated GMO chemical food womanofthehills Apr 2016 #108
In bpa lined cans and bpa ladened plastic containers. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #109
This kind of thing happens when sulphurdunn Apr 2016 #24
I fail to see how one Family Tree store "costs more in community services and decline in quality of WinkyDink Apr 2016 #26
Try and see this: sulphurdunn Apr 2016 #39
"Subsidies to low wage workers?" 1939 Apr 2016 #80
Low wage workers sulphurdunn Apr 2016 #92
I presume the site is legally zoned for this store? As you noted, the "acceptable" flower store WinkyDink Apr 2016 #25
Ooh, ouchy poo. ridgenvalley Apr 2016 #29
Oh, pipe down. I spent my youth and career in my same small town; I know perfectly well and WinkyDink Apr 2016 #73
Times change. You got that right. ridgenvalley Apr 2016 #95
And don't ever tell me to "pipe down." ridgenvalley Apr 2016 #98
Yes, the appropriate zoning was in place Mira Apr 2016 #35
The problem may also be with state law shrike Apr 2016 #86
Not that I have a stake in the NC situation mdbl Apr 2016 #69
Everytime you shop at a chain you are sending money out of the community fasttense Apr 2016 #71
While perhaps true, this isn't exactly a new phenomenon in American business. Yes, I grew up WinkyDink Apr 2016 #72
In many states 1939 Apr 2016 #81
That's Wally World's M.O. KamaAina Apr 2016 #97
You missed my point 1939 Apr 2016 #103
I'm wondering how the zoning is for signs. noamnety Apr 2016 #89
Yeah ... FUCK the community .... Trajan Apr 2016 #102
But people will shop there out of necessity. stopbush Apr 2016 #30
The most infuriating part to us is Mira Apr 2016 #33
Read "Kelo v. City of New London" Baobab Apr 2016 #91
Yes, I see people here loading up at the Dollar Store and Big Lots Warpy Apr 2016 #57
That's really not a $16 billion bully issue matt819 Apr 2016 #32
"Big companies build and buildings grow, or die": Yeah.. like sharks . . . n/t annabanana Apr 2016 #78
Nope, like scum in a stagnant pond, blocking out all the light to the life below. hunter Apr 2016 #93
I'm sorry greymouse Apr 2016 #36
I guess I would say that organizing a boycott would be the next step bluestateguy Apr 2016 #37
Much of their crap ends up in the trash felix_numinous Apr 2016 #38
They will close that store maindawg Apr 2016 #40
Lost the battle. But we'll win the war. navarth Apr 2016 #41
And Dollar stores attract the poors. Can't have that. AngryAmish Apr 2016 #42
Oh,my ! virgogal Apr 2016 #44
Because artists are so wealthy bluestateguy Apr 2016 #45
Post hoc ergo prompter hoc... and irrelevant as well. LanternWaste Apr 2016 #100
The artists are the poors womanofthehills Apr 2016 #107
I feel like I'm missing something here. Promethean Apr 2016 #46
Oh no. The flower shop moved to larger quarters Mira Apr 2016 #55
Please help me to understand. I must be missing something. Promethean Apr 2016 #58
So you would have no problem with a beautiful flower shop being replaced by klook Apr 2016 #63
But it's not being replaced mythology Apr 2016 #74
The problem is a large chain store replacing mom and pops passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #68
The Dollar Store has ruined my small town in NM womanofthehills Apr 2016 #104
Walmart has done that to so many small towns passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #105
Dollar store will probably carry some food items - but watch out for chemicals Baobab Apr 2016 #111
Help me understand, as I'm, missing something as well.... LanternWaste Apr 2016 #101
Not from what I read. Igel Apr 2016 #114
If your city council didn't help you then you must not have a coalition large enough to scare them. TeamPooka Apr 2016 #48
You tried mcar Apr 2016 #49
Fighting a shitty chain is worth it, regardless of the ultimate outcome Victor_c3 Apr 2016 #50
Many years ago, Manifestor_of_Light Apr 2016 #61
signs are beautiful. oldandhappy Apr 2016 #51
Mira - I see another big co. doing the same thing mike dub Apr 2016 #52
I always heard 1939 Apr 2016 #83
And Family Dollar is NOT a franchise. CaptainTruth Apr 2016 #54
Oh, the memories! raven mad Apr 2016 #56
I rarely go into any dollar store unless under duress arikara Apr 2016 #59
You are so right womanofthehills Apr 2016 #106
May the people prevail. zentrum Apr 2016 #60
The homogenization of America continues & will not stop until every community looks like the RiverLover Apr 2016 #64
Creative problem solving! rosesaylavee Apr 2016 #65
We have one right around the corner in this quiet little area where we live. anniebelle Apr 2016 #70
I would love to live in your neighborhood. n/t FourScore Apr 2016 #79
What a wonderful comment. Thank you. Mira Apr 2016 #82
Just be thankful they did not use eminent domain and tear your neighborhood down! Baobab Apr 2016 #84
Although many people in our town were against the Dollar Store womanofthehills Apr 2016 #110
Now they often take peoples homes to give to real estate developers Baobab Apr 2016 #113

Mira

(22,380 posts)
4. They were foolish to follow through.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 04:00 PM
Apr 2016

Driving through the neighborhood street there were literally parts where every single yard had the sign. They will not make a go of this store. We don't even want to be SEEN going in there LOL

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
18. I hope that turns out to be exactly the case.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 05:05 PM
Apr 2016

Keep it up. Perhaps enough people will avoid the place to encourage it to close -- delivering a lesson to top management as well. Itm, it sounds like an especially wonderful neighborhood, one I'd love to live in.

Fwiw, though, once the corporation purchased this land legally with plan for a legal "improvement," it was probably too late. Land owners have rights too.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
87. Mira, you need to start a neighborhood organiztion NOW
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:20 AM
Apr 2016

because this wont be the last attack on you. Seeing those nifty signs- Unless you live somewhere outside the US-

START AN ORGANIZATION TO PROTECT YOUR HOMES NOW.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
90. Great suggestion. They need to foresee and
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:53 AM
Apr 2016

be able to raise funds and hire consultants and professional advocates as needed while there's still time.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
47. I'm guessing they will do just fine.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 06:12 PM
Apr 2016

A lot of people who live right next to it will be upset, but I assume they have done the market research.

They don't become a billion dollar company by loosing money (too often)

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
3. Family Dollar, or Dollar Tree? Family Dollar (rips off poor people) was bought out by
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 03:59 PM
Apr 2016

Dollar Tree.

I would not want either one in a residential neighborhood. But, as someone who is, at times, really poor, Dollar Tree has been a real help.

Your story illustrates, MO, just how little people matter any more. That store was likely on money-greased skids.

 

virgogal

(10,178 posts)
43. Most of my neighbors shop at Dollar Tree,as do I.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 05:56 PM
Apr 2016

They have some fantastic deals and most of the shoppers are middle class.

I agree that they don't belong in a residential neighborhood---no retailer does.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
85. Likely your local planning department sees your neighborhood as being poor soon.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:12 AM
Apr 2016

If it isn't already.

Planning organizations are planning for massive displacements as poor people get pushed out to the margins and wealthy people move back into city centers.


I read planning literature.

As far as I can tell, there is an inverse relationship between wealth and likelihood of community disruption from various churning schemes.

they know no shame.

 

virgogal

(10,178 posts)
112. Aaaah,no. Our median house price is $450,000.00 and rising.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 08:08 PM
Apr 2016

We shop at Dollar Tree so we can afford to live here.

Doremus

(7,261 posts)
94. Beware what you buy at dollar stores
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 01:37 PM
Apr 2016

A lot of it is store returns, overstock, fire/distressed, etc. For example, the off-brand crayons I used to buy for my kids were later exposed to have lead in them.

To save money, my best advice is to shop house sales. The merchandise is better quality, cheaper and helps save the environment.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
99. I buy bleach, name brand dish detergent, things like that.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 02:06 PM
Apr 2016

I can't drive all over the place, and I cannot really buy in bulk. When you only have a couple dollars, it is helpful to be able to buy 1 1/2 ponds of pasta for a dollar, or the same brands of bread that are sold in, say, Publix, for a dollar. Not out of date, just what Publix or whoever did not have room for on the shelves.

It actually costs more to be poor, in some instances. And hard for me to stick to not eating carbs, too!

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
5. Blame Art Pope.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 04:03 PM
Apr 2016

Didn't he make his fortune with one of those chains? I can't remember which one, but he's not known for being civic-minded.

blm

(113,082 posts)
13. Pope has Roses - he changed the name after protesters targeted him.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 04:52 PM
Apr 2016

Save-a-Lot is what he's using now. The umbrella company is Variety Stores, iirc.

cstanleytech

(26,314 posts)
66. I dont think he owns Save-a-Lot rather I read that he
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 12:49 AM
Apr 2016

bought a license for a franchise for it kinda like IGA but he still owns Roses, in fact there is a Roses in my area though its in a very bad part of town.

cstanleytech

(26,314 posts)
88. I kinda doubt it as Save-aLot is purely a grocery store where as Roses
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:20 AM
Apr 2016

is more like a smaller version of an old pre-grocery Walmart.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
6. In a red state, big money rules.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 04:09 PM
Apr 2016

Heck, the way things are going, soon in every state big money rules.

Lifelong Protester

(8,421 posts)
9. Love your neighborhood signs
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 04:34 PM
Apr 2016

hate Family Dollar, as they exude greed. They came to our town, too. A little town in the middle of the Great River Road. A lot of people did not want it. I will not go there, and I hope all the folks that were against it also withhold their dollars.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,806 posts)
31. I was shocked to see one open on the Great River Road in Pepin, WI, last year.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 05:35 PM
Apr 2016

It's such a scenic little town (I go there to sail), and that thing is just a blight.

Lifelong Protester

(8,421 posts)
96. I agree, I dislike it
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 01:42 PM
Apr 2016

never go into it. Think that its presence is one thing non-rural people do NOT want to see in Pepin.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
10. where in NC is this bullshit going on?
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 04:39 PM
Apr 2016

I'll make it my own imperative to never stop at this location

murielm99

(30,754 posts)
12. We have a Dollar General.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 04:45 PM
Apr 2016

It is a dump. The merchandise is third rate. The store is dirty. Most of the workers are indifferent.

We lost the grocery store in our small rural community a few months before the dollar store came in. People go to the dollar store because there is nothing else. If we run out of one item, like toilet paper, there is nowhere else to go, unless we want to travel twelve miles one way.

I end up in the place about once a month. The rest of the time, I combine my trips so that I don't have to use the place.

For a long time, the parking lot had more craters than the moon. We have local man who rides a scooter because he cannot drive after a stroke. He was injured in the parking lot. There was a financial settlement. I know only that there was a settlement. His daughter told me the rest of it is confidential. But now their parking lot has been fixed.

I wish that eyesore and blight on the community would go away.

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
15. DG is doing what Walmart hasn't accomplished, kill off
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 04:55 PM
Apr 2016

the last of the mom and pops.

We are dealing with a new open that is challenging one of my stores.

Saw a drop in sales initially but our locals prefer our neighborly customer service.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
19. i've been to a lot of them
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 05:05 PM
Apr 2016

never seen one that was really dirty. Although this one was brand new about four years ago. Three years ago, I offered to work for them, about an hour a night after they close - cleaning the floors. I've been a school janitor for about twelve years. I never heard from them, and I notice the floors are not cleaned very well.

I'm usually friendly with the workers, but they come and go, and they tell me they get paid less than Wally World.

As for 3rd rate merchandise? Well, a can of pringles or a box of cereal or a bottle of pop are pretty much standard anywhere and DG has better prices than most grocery stores. The candles and the sprinkler I got from there seem to work just fine.

romanic

(2,841 posts)
53. The DG near my apartment is pretty clean.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 07:29 PM
Apr 2016

It's an older store, taking up a space once owned by the Salvation Army. I guess it depends on location and demographics cause where I live, it's mostly business people and an older middle-class community. I find them a step above Family Dollar and Dollar Tree, some of their products are good and I never found outdated food. Only thing I dislike about it is that they are expanding at a rate that Wal-mart did in towns like yours. That I find very sad.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
14. Why so against Family Dollar?
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 04:53 PM
Apr 2016

I hardly ever shop there, but they do not seem THAT much different than Dollar General.

I shop a fair amount at DG, they have always been a little closer to my location than Family Dollar.

I am not sure how big your "neighborhood" is. Perhaps they figure that their market is larger than your neighborhood.

xfundy

(5,105 posts)
16. Creatives and artists are probably our last hope.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 04:56 PM
Apr 2016

Including satirists and comedians.

Sad state we're in now.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
17. What really stinks is that if a boycott suceeds the empty eyesore is left
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 04:58 PM
Apr 2016

Maybe once the Family Dollar goes under the artist community could rent the building and use it for an artist co-op with shops and classes for the locals.

ridgenvalley

(58 posts)
21. This op hit home.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 05:18 PM
Apr 2016

My rural PA county has had 6 Family Dollars open in the past 2 years, putting a new strain on the already struggling Mom & Pops. But the bastards know it's an area down on its economic luck, and they have obviously made the decision to take full advantage. I still shop at the M & Ps, but the writing is on the wall. My s.o.jokes that if we ever get a Five Below store it'll be a sign that good times are back again.
I wish we had stood up to the flood of FD stores, but frankly, it was a blitzkrieg assault. Nobody realized what was happening til it was over. Kind of like the fracking....

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
23. Family Dollar should change thier name to "The Family Takes Your Last Dollar". They're not really
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 05:22 PM
Apr 2016

that great of a bargain.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
24. This kind of thing happens when
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 05:25 PM
Apr 2016

local governing bodies are dominated by vacuous Babbitts who believe that any and all development is good, even when it costs more in community services and decline in quality of life than it generates in revenue or other economic benefit. The only solution is to remove such characters and replaces them with rational people.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
26. I fail to see how one Family Tree store "costs more in community services and decline in quality of
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 05:27 PM
Apr 2016

life."

You think "Made in China" isn't in boutiques?!

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
39. Try and see this:
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 05:46 PM
Apr 2016

Corporate chain development is often pursued by local governments willing to compete with other municipalities by sweetening the deal with tax abatements, direct grants for infrastructure and other things. Cost increases come from the need to provide expand public services such as police and fire protection, subsidies to what are often low wage workers, increased volume to sewage treatment facilities, addition draws on power grids and more. It is particularly egregious when the same municipalities that seek such development also refuse to raise taxes to cover the costs. Then it begins stealing from Peter to pay Paul in its budgets while the profits from the corporate chain store leave the community and go somewhere else.

1939

(1,683 posts)
80. "Subsidies to low wage workers?"
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:28 AM
Apr 2016

Having worked for a "Mom and Pop" as a teenager, I can assure you that M&P don't pay a livable wage with benefits. It was often a struggle to get paid on time.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
92. Low wage workers
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 12:24 PM
Apr 2016

cost taxpayers about $150 billion annually. Employees for Dollar General are low wage workers. Also, almost 90% of low wage workers are over the age of 20 and one-third of those are over 40.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
25. I presume the site is legally zoned for this store? As you noted, the "acceptable" flower store
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 05:25 PM
Apr 2016

owners are the ones WHO SOLD TO FD!

I think only a fool would buy tablets, school and office supplies, balloons and other decorations, paper goods (including security envelopes), and more from anywhere BUT a Dollar Tree, which is the one near me.

This FD will thrive, as there are more people than you might suspect who would rather save money than pride.

Maybe even for buying art supplies.

ridgenvalley

(58 posts)
29. Ooh, ouchy poo.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 05:34 PM
Apr 2016

The fact that communities were perfectly happy before the FDs came and used corporate clout to undercut the M&Ps -- the M&Ps who btw are our longtime neighbors and whose kids play soccer with our kids, evidently makes no difference to you.
I feel sorry for that attitude. You have a sad idea of what community is about, IMO.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
73. Oh, pipe down. I spent my youth and career in my same small town; I know perfectly well and
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 08:11 AM
Apr 2016

intimately everything about "community," but all sides, not just Pollyanna's. I grew up with many a kid whose parents were the downtown merchants, gas station owners, druggists, etc. I loved it all, and still do, living not far away now.

But times change. .

Maybe FD will employ more than that florist did.

ridgenvalley

(58 posts)
95. Times change. You got that right.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 01:37 PM
Apr 2016

Communities are FORCED to change to accommodate far off corporate interests, whether they want to or not.

Call me a proud Pollyanna.

PS The FD pays crap hourly wages and next to no benefits that no single person could survive comfortably on, let alone a family. Great jobs you're advocating for.

shrike

(3,817 posts)
86. The problem may also be with state law
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:12 AM
Apr 2016

I have no idea what the laws are in NC, but where I live, if a business comes in and fits the zoning requirements, etc., it's extremely difficult to keep them out. Your town may have been opening itself up to an expensive lawsuit, if nothing else. I sympathize, but municipalities are often hamstrung by arcane and byzantine legal requirements that make it difficult or at times impossible to block such a development.

mdbl

(4,973 posts)
69. Not that I have a stake in the NC situation
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 06:13 AM
Apr 2016

but any of those stores I have been in has third rate or watered down versions of any name brand products. It's almost like they take the generic versions and repackage them with less product, then charge a little bit less but give you a whole lot less. Just my opinion of what I always see there. I guess if you're there to buy candy bars or something like that it might not matter.

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
71. Everytime you shop at a chain you are sending money out of the community
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 07:59 AM
Apr 2016

Instead of being spread around your community, that money spent at a chain gets sent away, perhaps to land in a panama shell corporation.

While the handfull of minimum wa ge jobs it creates are reason for giving the chain store tax cuts and subsidies.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
72. While perhaps true, this isn't exactly a new phenomenon in American business. Yes, I grew up
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 08:05 AM
Apr 2016

in a small town with separate stores of the fishmonger, butcher, pharmacist, florist, shoe sales and shoe repairs, pizza parlor, dress salon, etc.

Some are still there. But so now are CVS, Giant, and McDonald's.

1939

(1,683 posts)
81. In many states
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:33 AM
Apr 2016

the state give local governments a cut on the sales tax take. A high sales volume store can really help the local tax take. In Virginia, when Walmart opened a store in a county, the adjoining city wanted to annex the land right away.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
97. That's Wally World's M.O.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 01:48 PM
Apr 2016

Build 50 feet or so outside city limits, so they can suck the city dry without paying any taxes to it.

1939

(1,683 posts)
103. You missed my point
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 05:58 PM
Apr 2016

Local governments often welcome large stores if they get a significant jump in revenue from the sales taxes generated by the store.

 

noamnety

(20,234 posts)
89. I'm wondering how the zoning is for signs.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:23 AM
Apr 2016

It wouldn't surprise me if the dollar store finds a way to get the signs taken down if they violate zoning. In my area a local artist had to paint over the word LOVE on this shop because it was too large and violated the ordnance for a "sign with words."

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
30. But people will shop there out of necessity.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 05:35 PM
Apr 2016

Hard to be choosy when you have to support a family on a crap income. Third-rate stuff is better than nothing. Hell, some of the most-expensive products one can buy are produced with 3rd-rate manufacturing standards.

Mira

(22,380 posts)
33. The most infuriating part to us is
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 05:39 PM
Apr 2016

that less than a half a mile, on the left is another one!!!!!!! in a legitimate shopping center.
But it makes it easier for all of us who would not be caught going in it to boycott it. And we have our cake (the less expensive things we might pick up in a dollar store) and eat it, too.
This new store - if boycotted by the neighbors - does not have enough through traffic to be sustained, especially with the shopping center right down the street. A little Mom and Pop is across the street that has been there for 40 plus years.
As I said, infuriating.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
91. Read "Kelo v. City of New London"
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 12:02 PM
Apr 2016

on http://scholar.google.com


Its a SCOTUS case (federal)

Articles about it there too. Go, do it.

Now do you see why the people (many artists) in Brooklyn who lived under the bridge named their neighborhood "Dumbo" ?

Mybe you can think of some strategy to prevent the churners from capturing all the value you have created for yourselves.

Everything is changed now. Promises are routinely broken because of the argument that its more efficient to give rich people other people's money.

See "The Problem of Social Cost" by Ronald Coase, 1960.

This is the problem with the "New Republicans" and their grandiose dishonesty.

Warpy

(111,319 posts)
57. Yes, I see people here loading up at the Dollar Store and Big Lots
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 08:15 PM
Apr 2016

and then popping across the street to fill in the gaps at the high priced store, Wal Mart. There used to be a discount grocery here but they've long since disappeared. The Dollar Store is where people trying to feed their kids something on shitty minimum wage jobs go to shop. Then Big Lots. Then Wal Mart.

I live in a very poor area in a very poor state.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
32. That's really not a $16 billion bully issue
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 05:39 PM
Apr 2016

Like the geico commercial says about cats and such. It's what they do. Big companies build and buildings grow, or die.

Rather, I think, it's a local council issue. Now, if the council caved due to illegal pressure or bribes, well, then, that's something to explore.

We had the same thing in our tiny town. Residents spoke out and demanded the town say no and they found a way that the plans violated all sorts of ordinances. Traffic, parking, ground cover/runoff, zoning, environment, lighting, etc. Although I think the various town boatds were in favor, they couldn't dispute the vehement opposition and the fact that the project wasn't in accordance with the rules. In short, the town residents made it clear that we would object at every step.

hunter

(38,322 posts)
93. Nope, like scum in a stagnant pond, blocking out all the light to the life below.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 12:30 PM
Apr 2016

Running a healthy economy is like maintaining a healthy pond. You've got to skim the scum off the top and keep clean oxygenated water circulating in the depths.

In economic terms that means steeply progressive taxation and the aggressive removal of corrupt officials rising to the top of our financial and political institutions.

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
37. I guess I would say that organizing a boycott would be the next step
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 05:43 PM
Apr 2016

but that won't work if non-neighborhood outsiders come in and shop there.

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
38. Much of their crap ends up in the trash
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 05:44 PM
Apr 2016

non biodegradable plastic and tinsel that is just used once. It would be great if someday we could pass local ordinances to protect the environment that ban stores that sell this crap.

navarth

(5,927 posts)
41. Lost the battle. But we'll win the war.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 05:47 PM
Apr 2016

Next step is to make them pay for what they did. Give them no business. Hit them in the pocketbook.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
100. Post hoc ergo prompter hoc... and irrelevant as well.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 03:05 PM
Apr 2016

Post hoc ergo prompter hoc... and irrelevant as well.

womanofthehills

(8,751 posts)
107. The artists are the poors
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 06:43 PM
Apr 2016

In the 90's you could make a good living as an artist, but it's very hard today. People are more into their cell phones than buying art.

Now people just take photos of art with their cell phones instead of buying the art. One of the galleries I sell my work at has signs all over the gallery - Do Not Take Photos of the Art -

Promethean

(468 posts)
46. I feel like I'm missing something here.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 06:12 PM
Apr 2016

Did the Family Dollar coerce the flower store owners to sell the land?

Promethean

(468 posts)
58. Please help me to understand. I must be missing something.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 08:22 PM
Apr 2016

Flower shop is doing well, needs a larger location to expand. Flower shop sells property and moves of own accord. Dollar store buys property legally and there isn't even the appearance of coercion on the flower shop. OMG CORPORATE BULLY!

The only thing I can see is that people just don't want a business they don't like in their neighborhood. Lets say you got the dollar store blocked. Do you trust every group that gets together in the future with the power to block new businesses from opening? The tools of oppression you use today will be used on you tomorrow. There is nothing unethical about how they are setting up this store. Thus you are literally being the oppressors in telling them they cannot buy and use that property legally. If they were blocked then you set the precedent that anybody can be blocked for frankly frivolous reasons. I don't like that new flower shop opening next door to me, I'll write a letter to the city council and get them blocked. The justification is the exact same as the justification for blocking the dollar store.

klook

(12,164 posts)
63. So you would have no problem with a beautiful flower shop being replaced by
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 10:24 PM
Apr 2016

a butt-ugly Family Fucking Dollar in your neighborhood? Give me a break.

The OP is about the heartbreak of seeing a (presumably) locally owned business that was an asset to the community replaced by a crappy chain store. Here's hoping that in a couple of years Mira will be seeing this on that spot:


In the meantime, the artists' hand-painted signs on the wall are great.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
74. But it's not being replaced
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 08:13 AM
Apr 2016

The flower shop moved to a larger location.

As for whether the store is "ugly" that is a cosmetic thing and up to individual tastes. I think the thing in front of the Louvre is an eye-sore. But not everybody agrees.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
68. The problem is a large chain store replacing mom and pops
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 01:56 AM
Apr 2016

And the money that used to be kept in the neighborhood is now gone. And this will close more Mom and Pops, like the little grocer she mentioned was across the street.

My town stopped Walmart from upgrading to a super store. We had to fight many years, but we won. We are now in the midst of a fight to keep Nestle from starting a bottling plant in our county, taking our dwindling water supplies (due to global warming and drought) for almost nothing and selling it around the world, adding heavy truck traffic through our beautiful senic area, and adding more plastic bottles to the landscape, where many will end up in the ocean, killing sea life and fowl. Bottled water is a crime for the ecology. We need our water, as our prime water supply (a glacier) is melting and it will seriously affect our farms and orchards.

All for greed.

I'm sorry Mira. I love the message on the fence. Very touching.

womanofthehills

(8,751 posts)
104. The Dollar Store has ruined my small town in NM
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 06:32 PM
Apr 2016

The closest town to me is 12 miles - it's a town of under 2000 people - with a 2 block main street with many of the old original buildings. There has been a grocery store in this town since it was founded in the early 1900's and today I find out the grocery store is closing this week - the next closest grocery store is 50 miles away.

As soon as the Dollar Store opened a few yrs ago, the grocery suffered, the pharmacy suffered, the hardware store suffered and a mom and pop variety store closed. The hardware store is now for sale, and the pharmacy is barely making it.

All the town council could talk about was the tax revenue they were going to get - and now they have no grocery store in their town.



Baobab

(4,667 posts)
111. Dollar store will probably carry some food items - but watch out for chemicals
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 08:03 PM
Apr 2016

Ive read a lot of news stories that the products carried in dollar stores often have issues with various chemicals that should not be there.

They might be legal but still have dangerous levels of various chemicals. The laws on toxic chemicals have not been updated in 30+ years.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
101. Help me understand, as I'm, missing something as well....
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 03:07 PM
Apr 2016

Help me understand, as I'm, missing something as well....

You're taking exception to someone's negative perception of a change in their own community you're not familiar with?

Igel

(35,337 posts)
114. Not from what I read.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:18 PM
Apr 2016

Sounds like the flower store didn't get the votes necessary to stay, i.e., $.

So they left because the community liked them, but not really like-liked them. Odds are they'd rather have sold to somebody locally, but nobody was around. Again, the community is against stuff more than it's for.

Now it seems they want an empty building and empty lot because they don't like what they wrangled. Perhaps that empty lot that doesn't pay taxes or hire anybody, even at minimum wage, is better. Perhaps something really cool will move in there that won't require $ to stay running. Like artists and art classes. Artists like starving.

TeamPooka

(24,242 posts)
48. If your city council didn't help you then you must not have a coalition large enough to scare them.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 06:13 PM
Apr 2016

Besides, Americans trade off good jobs for cheap shoddy goods and politicians that match every damn day.

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
50. Fighting a shitty chain is worth it, regardless of the ultimate outcome
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 06:44 PM
Apr 2016

About 20 years ago Walmart tried to move into my area. The people put up a tremendous fight and eventually Walmart stopped trying to build a store there. At the time, we were one of the few or first localities to actually stop them. Regardless of the outcone, it is totally worth the effort to stop the businesses like that from destroying our communities. Thank you for your effort!

 

Manifestor_of_Light

(21,046 posts)
61. Many years ago,
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 09:50 PM
Apr 2016

they opened a Wal-Mart Neighborhood Market in the big city. No zoning.

Then I was told that somebody decided to welcome them to the hood with a drive-by shooting, taking out the glass windows at the drive-through pharmacy window, late at night when they were closed.

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
51. signs are beautiful.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 06:59 PM
Apr 2016

Thanks for the picture.

Definitely do not patronize the store. I remember a story from awhile back about a 7-11 type store having trouble with rowdy teens hanging out in the parking lot. The store started piping classical music into the parking lot. Suddenly kids were gone! Leave your signs up. Maybe ask the owner of the parking lot area if you can put up a small table and chair and ask people to register to vote as they arrive to shop. Or sign petitions. You know -- something that is good for people. You could just do it on the weekends.



mike dub

(541 posts)
52. Mira - I see another big co. doing the same thing
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 07:19 PM
Apr 2016

Publix grocery stores are doing a similar thing (in the rapidly growing NC town of Cary) to what Dollar General is doing in your community. Publix is pushing to have Residential zoned areas of Cary rezoned so that they can build new stores on land previously zoned residential backing up to more residential. Not much regard for the folks who (as next door neighbors) would actually potentially shop in their stores. These folks show up to town council meetings and ask why they would want food deliveries and dumpsters clanging at late/early hours, when all along their area had previously been zoned residential backing up to more residential. Now Publix comes in and it's almost foregone that they will be given a zoning change of residential backing up to Commerical. The homeowners in that area Always knew their homes could someday back up to More homes (instead of the woody buffer they currently back up to) but then the rules get changed= nope, your home might now back up to Commercial development instead. Kind of lame, or more pointedly: It's absurd.

Additionally: Publix is working toward rezoning of a residential/rural area of north Durham, NC (closer to where I live) so they can build another store there. That's a Huge leap, as this area doesn't have Near the amount of folks living within that market area that Cary does, nor anywhere near as many newcomers coming in to this part of the region as Cary (rapidly growing Wake County) does. But it's open season. Will be interesting to see what all happens.

1939

(1,683 posts)
83. I always heard
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:41 AM
Apr 2016

that integration of residential and retail spaces was a great "progressive ideal" and that home owners who objected were just NIMBY. People should be able to walk to shop and not have to use their cars for every trip to the store.

CaptainTruth

(6,599 posts)
54. And Family Dollar is NOT a franchise.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 07:31 PM
Apr 2016

Not a franchise, so no chance it would be owned by a local entrepreneur.

Sad.

arikara

(5,562 posts)
59. I rarely go into any dollar store unless under duress
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 08:44 PM
Apr 2016

The smell of cheap Chinese plastic makes me feel ill almost immediately. The Mr thinks the Chinese mix their toxic waste into things like plastic to get rid of it, they don't care if they poison us slowly... or not so slowly as in the case of what they did with melamine.

womanofthehills

(8,751 posts)
106. You are so right
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 06:37 PM
Apr 2016

The air quality in these stores is disgusting - all the chemicals out gassing. I always feel bad for the workers.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
64. The homogenization of America continues & will not stop until every community looks like the
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 10:27 PM
Apr 2016

same retail wasteland selling cheap crap made by virtual slaves in other countries. Our culture now.

I'm so sad for you & your community.

rosesaylavee

(12,126 posts)
65. Creative problem solving!
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 10:28 PM
Apr 2016

We are dealing with a similar neighborhood bully and we just so happen to have a long grey fence facing their property. If anything, this gave us a good cathartic laugh..

Good on you and your friends!

anniebelle

(899 posts)
70. We have one right around the corner in this quiet little area where we live.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 06:54 AM
Apr 2016

They sell the cheapest possible junk, shelves filled with trash from China and Mexico. But they do appeal to the people who cannot even afford to go to WalMart ~ how sad in the wealthiest country on earth and we as citizens apparently have no say. We have an area of shops in our little village that are family owned and sell quality merchandise, we have one small grocery that caters to us vegans and GMO haters, and also people who are still flesh eaters, where we do most of our shopping and what we can't find there, we go off the mountain to WholeFoods where we can find almost everything we need in the way of organic food. I, personally, would like to see every WalMart, Dollar General, Dollar Tree out of business, but that's wishful thinking on my part.

Mira

(22,380 posts)
82. What a wonderful comment. Thank you.
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:39 AM
Apr 2016

All of us who live here feel privileged. Winston-Salem, NC. Old neighborhood, on historic register. Filled with huge old antebellum mansions, all now restored, and small houses as well, all around a huge city park. Our most illustrious resident at the moment, to my knowledge, is Melissa Harris Perry. She owns a half a city block with even a barn on it still. I got my little house 40 years ago before the neighborhood "came back". Now any given house is on the market about a week.
We did not need Family Dollar as a centerpiece.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
84. Just be thankful they did not use eminent domain and tear your neighborhood down!
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:08 AM
Apr 2016

and give it to them, "to increase tax revenue"

Dollar stores are one likely future, especially if Clinton wins, basically poverty is most of the nation's future because jobs as we know them are going away.

womanofthehills

(8,751 posts)
110. Although many people in our town were against the Dollar Store
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 07:00 PM
Apr 2016

at the time our main fight was against Kinder Morgan and eminent domain. We were fighting a CO2 pipeline (transporting CO2 from eastern Arizona to West Texas and SE New Mexico for fracking.) I must say we were amazing in our fight. We were so organized against KM, we had little time left to fight the Dollar Store. Thankfully due to the drop in oil prices, Kinder Morgan scrapped the project "for now."

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
113. Now they often take peoples homes to give to real estate developers
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 08:13 PM
Apr 2016

for projects like condos. Because it increases the tax base.

Read Kelo v. City of New London and the articles about it on http://scholar.google.com.

Basically, the neighborhoods that are being targeted are ones that are nice enough to sit on desireable land, but not rich enough that their residents could afford a costly legal fight. Its happening on a massive scale all across the country.


In other words, they dont need a reason any more, planning boards can get paid off and its impossible to prove. Real Estate developers and mall developers are doing that everywhere.


Churning. With less and less real wealth being generated, this churning is ramping up - and its a parasitic activity.

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