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http://www.omaha.com/living/clowns-birders-creep-us-out-and-a-study-found-out/article_38459789-1228-5f6d-87db-6780f95b3f0a.html
POSTED: SUNDAY, APRIL 17, 2016 1:00 AM
The Washington Post
Heres what most American bird-watchers are, according to a 2013 government study: White, older than 45, fairly well-off and highly educated.
Heres what many people think bird-watchers are: Creepy.
Thats according to a recent study that says it is the first empirical study of creepiness. Led by psychology professor Frank McAndrew at Knox College in Galesburg, Illinois, the study set out to introduce a theoretical perspective on the common psychological experience of feeling creeped out, and to figure out what makes us think other people are creepy.
The conclusion based on a survey of 1,341 people, most of whom were female and American is that feeling creeped out is an evolved response to the ambiguity of a possible threat, which helps us to remain vigilant.
FULL story at link.
I'm glad Marta and I don't spend any time on birds.
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)Excuse me the wild birds are demanding a refill of the birdbaths. All that free food is making them thirsty. [img][/img]
forest444
(5,902 posts)I mean, we all project a little; but what kind of person would think that someone with a bird-watching hobby has a problem of any kind. Some folks are just bored with themselves.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)Luring those innocent birds in with free food so you can watch them take a bath.
Have you no shame?
Avian voyeurism is a serious problem in this country which gets far too little attention. It's time to stop the denial and admit that we have got a crisis on our hands and address it with the appropriate urgency.
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)▶
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... that middle bird doing his mating dance did creep me out a bit!
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)However, clowns are the worst at giving me the creepy feeling.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Because oddly enough the really creepy people are the ones who try to look as normal as possible. Of course there are some notable exceptions to that rule.
AxionExcel
(755 posts)Apparently. For some folks.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Now THAT is creepy on so many, ah, levels.
Unforgettably creepy.
ToxMarz
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TeeYiYi
(8,028 posts)TYY
rogerashton
(3,920 posts)Looks like it could be. and the hats are a precaution against sunburn. Seems to me like some folks on DU need to get outside more.
ToxMarz
(2,169 posts)Apparently I'm not the only one that thinks they're creepy. Maybe no one but you and the birders get out enough.
Skittles
(153,174 posts)I WOULD KICK GUTTER CLOWN ASS; yes INDEED
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)white, well-educated, but not well off. I liked bird watching but it was always done too early for me. The early birds can get the worm. I'm rollin' over.
sofa king
(10,857 posts)The early bird gets the worm, but it's the second mouse that gets the cheese.
Back to the subject, I know exactly what creeps people out about bird watchers. People who don't know shit fear people who do. Simple as that.
MADem
(135,425 posts)run around, tromping through the underbrush with a massive pair of binoculars, and writing down in a dirty little notebook that they've just spotted a purple beaked twitbuster at such-n-such longitude/latitude--and then lording that over their fellow obsessives with their binoculars, etc.
If you feed the birds, it's a good thing. If you chase them through the forest to stare at them, it's something else.
IMO, anyway. YMMV.
Madam Mossfern
(2,340 posts)was a creep, according to you.
noamnety
(20,234 posts)between who people are, and how we perceive them.
I respect what Audobon did. But if I'd seen him running around the woods in my back yard with binoculars, I would perceive him as a potential creeper and threat.
ShrimpPoboy
(301 posts)State parks, wildlife refuges, and other wild areas, no.
Nothing wrong with birders. They're just folks looking for a way to connect with nature that works for them. I wish more Americans would do the same.
TexasMommaWithAHat
(3,212 posts)nt
ShrimpPoboy
(301 posts)MH1
(17,600 posts)The birder points their binoculars at lots of things, usually natural things like oh, bushes and trees, and the occasional fence or telephone pole; and just once in a while it may seem that the direction the binoculars are pointing is at a person or a house or car. They may linger in that direction for a bit, but soon go back to looking at bushes, trees, and other more obvious places that birds hang out. The reason they may seem to be looking at a person or a house is that they AREN'T looking at the person or house, there is a BIRD in that same general direction. Probably a particularly interesting bird, because most birders aren't going to be looking at a common bird that means pointing their binoculars in a direction that might be perceived as "creepy".
The creep with binoculars generally is focusing their binoculars on people or places people hang out. Bushes and trees, not so much, unless there is a person in the bush or tree.
Simple.
(Oh and nobody should be running around your backyard without your permission anyway. I suspect you are thinking more of the woods behind your house? That is a public park? Then it may seem creepy but unless they are behaving more like the "creep" description than the "birder" description, you should probably relax. Microsoft is spying on you far more than that birder is.)
noamnety
(20,234 posts)If I catch someone outside my house "briefly" pointing binoculars at my windows, I am fucking CREEPED OUT. And there is no amount of justification or explanation that changes that.
My reaction would be to close the blinds, draw the drapes, and sit in the darkened house with an increased heart rate feeling violated.
You may not like that reaction, but it IS the reaction.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)You do know that, don't you?
MADem
(135,425 posts)You're right--he didn't draw from life. He drew from ..... death!!!!!
It kind of killed my enjoyment of his pics when I realized he killed 'em in order to save 'em.
Hadn't thought of that in years!
cwydro
(51,308 posts)He killed so many gorgeous birds, often by the hundreds.
I'm glad for the work done by the Audubon society now, but that is one nasty fact that's difficult to reconcile.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Of course Audubon was not a creep.
If he were outside your window with a large pair of binoculars you might THINK SO, though.
smh.
The level of "offense" here is getting toxic.
TexasMommaWithAHat
(3,212 posts)Wow. You have apparently stereotyped an entire group of people based on...someone you don't like?
Most bird watchers I know are strong environmentalists who care about our living planet and birds, in particular.
If it weren't for bird watchers we wouldn't know how well particular species of birds are doing.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5221793
We have a prairie bird count here, as well, twice a year to determine migratory patterns.
http://www.rferl.org/content/global-bird-watchers-count/25262748.html
narnian60
(3,510 posts)TexasMommaWithAHat
(3,212 posts)Many years ago a bird watcher taught me to plant various native plants for birds, especially hummingbirds, and butterflies. My yard is about 75% native plants, so it's also great for water conservation.
That was before "going native" was popular.
MADem
(135,425 posts)WOW! You have taken more than your share of offense!!!
The article is about perceptions. You can't control those. At least not without a LOT of PR.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)This is the most bizarre thread of the day.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Where the topic was "Creepy Bird Watchers!"
Grrrrr!!! GRRRRRRR!!! Someone got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning....!
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)nothing.
And I'm under no obligation to read the article. As I told you before, I was responding to YOU and your weird issue with birders, based entirely on your own words. You did not qualify locations when you attacked the bird watching community. Goodbye.
MADem
(135,425 posts)GRRR! Grrrrrrr!!!!
Of course you're under no obligation to read the article! It is so much more fun to pontificate without any knowledge whatsoever of the topic at hand!!
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)They're right there for everyone to see. You're not going to come out of this as some birder-hating hero, so you can let it go whenever you'd like.
ronnie624
(5,764 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)And apparently birders too.
MADem
(135,425 posts)That's totally creepy (in keeping with the topic of the thread), that you dig back to 2012 to find something to drag forward to flog.
Says so much about you--not me.
ronnie624
(5,764 posts)In mere minutes, I could find a half dozen more examples of gratuitous nastiness.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Instead, I'll offer you a movie clip. Enjoy!
MADem
(135,425 posts)You can let it go whenever you'd like....but it's too much fun for you to do that, I suspect....
Everyone CAN see who initiated which conversations, and how you jumped in to tell me just how awful I am because my pov differs from yours!
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Obvious.
TexasMommaWithAHat
(3,212 posts)Yeah, a lot of them do wear crazy hats, carry binoculars, and crawl through the bushes.
My reply was to your comment about bird watchers "lording over" everyone else. That is a bizarre comment based on personal characteristics like excess hubris, which has absolutely nothing to do with bird watching.
MADem
(135,425 posts)TexasMommaWithAHat
(3,212 posts)You can read the same thing about anyone who is passionate about any endeavor: work, football, baseball, working out at the gym, fishing....
That's not a characteristic of bird watchers.
You blew it when you wrote that bird watchers like to lord it over others...
Just admit and be done with it.
MsInformed
(48 posts)that birders will often crow about seeing a rare bird!
TexasMommaWithAHat
(3,212 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)doesn't exist?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1053810/
2naSalit
(86,765 posts)we would not know lot about ecosystems and how to protect them from us!
I might be creepy but I don't care, I love watching birds and learning from them. I have learned a great deal from watching birds, and all of wildlife, they're all connected and bird watchers get that better than lots of people do.
I give talks about wildlife as a professional and birds is one of my favorite topics. My audiences are usually amazed and thankful to learn how birds are like the "canary in a coalmine" for all ecological environments. And you can often tell what other wildlife might be in a place by which birds hang around.
Folks who can't make the mental connection to birds and importance of bird watchers needs to get their head out of the iphone or ipad or whatever their preferred "ignore everything around me" device.
ETA: I absolutely despise clowns!!
ShrimpPoboy
(301 posts)But please continue telling us how things you don't understand are wierd.
MADem
(135,425 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)anyone.
Do you wish to explain why it is that bird watchers are on your "creepy" list?
MADem
(135,425 posts)If you bothered to click the link and read the doggone article you'd see the point the writer was making.
smh. Too much trouble?
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)said that you thought birders were creepy. I don't accept lecturing from you, make sure you understand that. Learn how to say what you want to say before blaming others for your incoherence.
MADem
(135,425 posts)fine. But don't get all huffy when YOU don't grasp the point.
The one who is incoherent is the one who couldn't bother clicking on the link....and that would be you.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Again, you go and learn how to write a post, and take your butthurt elsewhere. I responded to you, and I did so accurately. You're slipping.
MADem
(135,425 posts)HARRRUMPH!!!!
What's with all the weird use of the word "butthurt" lately?
Hmmm.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)ask them why they're making bizarre posts.
MADem
(135,425 posts)csziggy
(34,137 posts)Anymore it doesn't count as a sure ID unless you get a photo of it and the GPS nails exactly where you were when you got the picture!
On the other hand, some of us don't have to tramp around through the underbrush. I added a new bird to my life list yesterday sitting at my computer! http://www.democraticunderground.com/12081568
There was another bird I added to ones I've seen but since it was too quick for me to get a photo, it doesn't really count. It's not the first time I've seen a cat bird but the first time I've seen one on my farm.
Mostly my husband and I go watch birds on our farm or by hiking places where there might be birds - wildlife refuges are perfect for that.
MADem
(135,425 posts)as "less creepy" than a male bird watcher, mainly because most Peeping Toms are NOT women.
Also, the whole "I was only bird watching" excuse has been used in the past by many fellows who just wanted to get a look inside some lady's home. It's even become a "TV trope."
Because some might think I'm inventing this, a link (or 3):
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/peeping-tom-doc-i-was-bird-watching-628961
http://www.birdchick.com/blog/2010/01/birder-arrest
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NaughtyBirdwatching
csziggy
(34,137 posts)The male birders I've know, including my husband, very much give off a non-predatory aura. Plus they are usually accompanied by a female birder.
My great aunt and her friends were the first birders I knew. They lived in Ohio, traveled all over the US to watch birders and spent winters with my grandmother to take advantage of Florida birding. There would be a bevy of elderly women with one man, usually the only surviving husband of the group - though my great aunt and her special friend never married. (I like to think that these days they would marry each other but back in their day they fought for the right to vote and for women to have careers.)
My MIL is an avid birder as was my FIL (who I never met). When MIL moved from the hospital into a nursing home the first thing her children did was put a bird feeder outside her window. (FIL's grandfather was a fanatical birder - he wrote "Birds of Minnesota" and had an article in the first issue of "Bird Lore" which became Audobon magazine.)
MADem
(135,425 posts)(and never mind that I had a relative who was a rather well-known fellow in the bird watching set in his community) but I could see how some people come off the "wrong" way. It's not their fault, it's just pre-conceived notions. That's all the article was talking about, really.
A fellow in the company of a woman (or women) doing the bird thing would likely be better received than a guy stumbling around at the crack of dawn behind someone's home all by himself with a set of binoculars. Nowadays, people are so paranoid they don't do the "Howdy stranger" routine, they automatically assume that some guy tip-toeing around on his own has bad intent. It's the way of the world.
That issue of Bird Lore (if you still have it) is probably worth something to the right buyer, not that you'd part w/it...
csziggy
(34,137 posts)Where he was a curator and there is a bird sanctuary named for him: https://www.minneapolisparks.org/parks__destinations/gardens__bird_sanctuaries/roberts_bird_sanctuary/
The family has some personal photos of him but the ones of him birding are also in the museums.
T. S. Roberts is on the right
That issue is available at Archive.org: https://archive.org/details/birdlore11899nati
His article, "The Camera as an Aid in the Study of Birds" is on page 6 of the PDF with photos and drawings by him. The second part of the article (maybe in the second issue) is on page 35 of the PDF. Another article about photographing a catbird nest is on page 87. There are other issues on Archive.org. Dr. Roberts sent them reports on bird sightings in the Minneapolis are for decades so he is in many, many of their issues.
MADem
(135,425 posts)He was a very fine photographer, as well!
csziggy
(34,137 posts)There is a very good biography of him by Sue Leaf, "A Love Affair with Birds" - https://www.minnpost.com/books/2013/05/love-affair-birds-chronicles-life-thomas-sadler-roberts
Some of the photos in it were supplied by my MIL. We now have the custody of them and they are part of what I need to get scanned and online for others to reference. Not too long ago Sue Leaf contacted MIL who sent her to me to get photos of TSR's sister who was a well known artist in her own right. That article came out in a periodical for University of Minnesota, I believe.
MADem
(135,425 posts)It's very neat when you have a picture of a relative from way back when and you can see what they look like! And see who looks like him!
This relative of yours would make a great subject for a film!!
I have found a few branches in my family tree who pop up as bit players in bigger tales, but I've never had a relation who rated their own biography--how cool is that!
csziggy
(34,137 posts)Sue Leaf commented on the resemblance in her preface to the biography. She met him and my MIL when she visited to interview them and go through the photos and documents MIL had from Dr. Roberts' life.
A film about TSR (as the family calls him) would be cool - I wonder who could play him? Of course the best thing would be to do his life and that would need several actors to play him throughout his life.
On my side of the family we have a few who have rated biographies, but none as closely related or in the direct line. My favorite, though he is only a distant cousin, is Josiah Harlan. He was the real person who possibly inspired the title character in Rudyard Kipling's short story "The Man Who Would Be King." A biography of him was published in 2004 by Ben Macintyre, "The Man Who Would Be King: The First American in Afghanistan." One review of the book says, "It took two of the manliest British men of the 20th century to stand in for one crazed 19th century American." (http://www.bookslut.com/nonfiction/2004_05_002048.php) They couldn't make just one movie about Josiah Harlan - his exploits would need a series!
MADem
(135,425 posts)You've got some great connections, there! And HARLAN! We could use more people like him at the State Department!!
csziggy
(34,137 posts)And his book about his experiences was banned by the British government and they discredited him with the US government so the book pretty much didn't sell anywhere. He was involved in trying to convince the US government to use camels in the Southwest - which was a resounding failure, plus they didn't even use the Bactrian camels he wanted to import from Afghanistan but went for the single hump ones from North Africa.
If he were around today he'd probably be a candidate for President! It'd be a toss up whether he would be Democratic, Republican or independent, though.
MADem
(135,425 posts)MsInformed
(48 posts)Cuckoo, I say!
CompanyFirstSergeant
(1,558 posts)...is all this is.
There is a bird-watching park near me and the bird watchers contribute a lot to understadning of the environment.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)
.women bird watchers too. No time to actually do it but birds are magical.
FlaGranny
(8,361 posts)I was watching a couple of blackbirds. It is mating season. They found a bug in the grass and they passed it back and forth between them and then, finally, one bird (the male?) fed it to the other which crouched down and opened it's beak like a baby bird. Fascinating, magical, and cute too.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)I see pigeons do this too.
And wow, does a male pigeon ever do a fancy-pants dance to woo her! He puffs up to twice his size and dances in circles, cooing in this deep voice.
malthaussen
(17,216 posts)I don't fit the demo, so the fact that I find birders eccentric rather than creepy is not a statistically significant data point. Besides, most of my knowledge of birders comes from the late Dick Davenport and his friends.
-- Mal
retrowire
(10,345 posts)Bird watchers are cool!
tabasco
(22,974 posts)Clowns are creepy.
postulater
(5,075 posts)Dustlawyer
(10,497 posts)to his hateful policies, that creeps me out. It's a visual thing, just looking at him there is something wrong, it's visceral! Scott Walker gives me close to the same reaction.
lark
(23,147 posts)I always thought of birders as somewhat eccentric naturalists, about as far away from threatening or creepy as possible. Clowns, i get, but not bird watchers.
beastie boy
(9,402 posts)MsInformed
(48 posts)But because the bird at the rally was an American goldfinch, a female.
eppur_se_muova
(36,281 posts)jamesatemple
(342 posts)there are hundreds of thousands of young males that are avid bird watchers in England that ... uh...oh, different kind of... never mind....sorry!
cpwm17
(3,829 posts)In the US, both men and woman bird.
MH1
(17,600 posts)to me.
And scary because there are so many of them that they are so far pretty successfully destroying the natural world.
The article is mildly humorous but also one more indictment of our educational system, sigh.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)But I'm going to get all subjective here and state that I reject the premise of the article. I do not believe any significant percentage of the population thinks birders are creepy people.
daleo
(21,317 posts)In a poll of 1143 people, the phrase "many people" could mean almost anything greater than one, in terms of numbers. Shoddy, sensationalistic journalism.
House of Roberts
(5,180 posts)just the ones that fit the definition of 'twitcher'.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)here I am, stuck in the middle with brew.
I get people thinking clowns are creepy, but I've never heard of people thinking birders are creepy.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)....but birders?
rock
(13,218 posts)What???
Solly Mack
(90,779 posts)csziggy
(34,137 posts)[Burns, OR] The armed militants who have occupied the Oregon wildlife refuge may be encouraged the apparent lack of response by government authorities. But their stand is reportedly doomed anyway, since they picked the worst possible location to make their point, according to a source at the American Birding Association.
The Malheur sanctuary is home to approximately 320 avian species beloved by birders. BIG mistake.
The nearby town of Burns has seen a rapid influx of birders who are determined to eject the illegal occupiers. The birders possess a number of advantages when it comes to combat in open terrain, according to those familiar with the hobby.
They are masters of disguise who know how to blend into the outdoor environment, whereas the enemy, with their pickups, massive guns, and loud obnoxious personalities, tend to stick out like a sore thumb.
More: http://www.breakingburgh.com/enraged-birders-to-retake-oregon-wildlife-refuge-in-dawn-offensive/
NOTE:
Welcome to Breaking Burgh, a satirical blog serving Western Pennsylvania and beyond.
In case you read that too quickly, its SATIRE, so put that lawyer back in your pocket.
http://www.breakingburgh.com/sample-page/
by The Lapine · January 10, 2016
BURNS, OREGON Grandfather of four Robert Saunders says he was just out to check on some young burrowing owls at the crack of dawn this morning when he was confronted by a red-faced pudgy man with a big gun.
And things got physical when Saunders refused the barked orders to halt and identify himself.
But it wasnt the retired teacher who ended up on the ground.
Well heck, one second he was warming his hands by this kind of puny little fire and the next second he was running at me and shouting to get down on the ground, Saunders told reporters gathered near the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.
More: https://thelapine.ca/79-year-old-bird-watcher-takes-down-oregon-militant-with-old-high-school-wrestling-move/
Again, NOTE: "The Lapine is all about poking people and things that deserve to be poked. It is satirical commentary written by all kinds of people from here, there and darned near everywhere."
When I sent this second story to my husband while he was spending time with his Mom in hospital, she said, "This 87 year old birder is ready to go help take back Malheur!"
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)a Second Amendment solution gun advocate in an open carry, stand your ground state, who suddenly felt threatened by the odd way I was dressed, and by my dark tan, while gazing in his general direction through binoculars.
Harriety
(298 posts)My husband and I are not well off. We buy all our clothes at thrift stores, many house projects are put on hold, and we don't have anything in our savings account. I take pictures, some of them are of birds. So that makes me wealthy huh? Gotta laugh at that.
Omaha Steve
(99,697 posts)We love to share here in GD and in the Birder Group: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1208
OS
Pakhet
(520 posts)ps. it's the binoculars that people think are creepy, I guess.
ananda
(28,873 posts)..
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I don't care one way or another about clowns.
But, I do love birds.
Rex
(65,616 posts)The responses are priceless! Never heard that about bird watchers...but clowns, weeeelll it depends imo;
Not creepy just sappy; EDIT - okay he is a little bit creepy.
RUN LIKE HELL!!!
Not creepy, but now my neck hurts;
Okay lie to me and tell me that is not a little bit creepy!
You didn't say what kind of bird watcher!
U4ikLefty
(4,012 posts)islandmkl
(5,275 posts)madokie
(51,076 posts)and Marta do exactly as you like to do. This is America and you are free to enjoy your life as you see fit, anyone else that doesn't agree be damned. IMO
I like the things you post so there
rogerashton
(3,920 posts)What it said is that people who collect stuff are creepy. Birders, too, but not so much.
The eagles were at the nest in John Heinz refuge today, and there was an immature in the woods south of the impoundment. The rusty blackbirds are still around, too, but the winter ducks have headed north.
Oh, well, -- I do have a collection of picture postcards -- so I guess I'm convicted of being creepy disregardless.
Jeffersons Ghost
(15,235 posts)Ilsa
(61,697 posts)It's a pretty good hobby for folks with little discretionary income to spend, unless you want to travel to pump up your bird list.
Birding teaches you to listen and be patient, to focus on details in bird anatomy and calls for proper identification. You learn about habitats, predator/prey issues.
I'm not competitive about birding. No need to ruin it like that.