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Omaha Steve

(99,697 posts)
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 09:11 AM Apr 2016

Clowns, birders creep us out – and a study found out why


http://www.omaha.com/living/clowns-birders-creep-us-out-and-a-study-found-out/article_38459789-1228-5f6d-87db-6780f95b3f0a.html

POSTED: SUNDAY, APRIL 17, 2016 1:00 AM
The Washington Post

Here’s what most American bird-watchers are, according to a 2013 government study: White, older than 45, fairly well-off and highly educated.

Here’s what many people think bird-watchers are: Creepy.

That’s according to a recent study that says it is the first “empirical study of ‘creepiness.’ ” Led by psychology professor Frank McAndrew at Knox College in Galesburg, Illinois, the study set out to introduce “a theoretical perspective on the common psychological experience of feeling “creeped out,” and to figure out what makes us think other people are creepy.

The conclusion — based on a survey of 1,341 people, most of whom were female and American — is that feeling creeped out is an evolved response to the ambiguity of a possible threat, which helps us to remain vigilant.

FULL story at link.

I'm glad Marta and I don't spend any time on birds.

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Clowns, birders creep us out – and a study found out why (Original Post) Omaha Steve Apr 2016 OP
I think you should all know: I am not creepy! TYVM! In_The_Wind Apr 2016 #1
Of course not, In The Wind. A lot of people like to project. forest444 Apr 2016 #16
Now that's just creepy. zeemike Apr 2016 #38
I agree. potone Apr 2016 #47
I also watch the mating rituals. In_The_Wind Apr 2016 #83
I must say... ReRe Apr 2016 #103
I never found birders creepy yeoman6987 Apr 2016 #76
I don't find either creepy... Kalidurga Apr 2016 #2
Peepy = Creepy AxionExcel Apr 2016 #6
Oh, man. Octafish Apr 2016 #10
I think it's the hats ToxMarz Apr 2016 #15
I think it's those pants! ew ..nt TeeYiYi Apr 2016 #81
Is that Bombay Hook, Del? rogerashton Apr 2016 #104
Well, based on the article ToxMarz Apr 2016 #111
see, hell no, F*** NO Skittles Apr 2016 #101
Hey, I'm LiberalElite Apr 2016 #3
Then you're second mouse! sofa king Apr 2016 #69
I think most people differentiate between people who FEED the birds, and people who MADem Apr 2016 #4
So then Audubon Madam Mossfern Apr 2016 #8
There's often a difference noamnety Apr 2016 #11
Backyard, yes, that's creepy and probably illegal. ShrimpPoboy Apr 2016 #12
Love your name! :) TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2016 #23
Thanks. I'm a fan of all things Texas as well ShrimpPoboy Apr 2016 #99
Pro tip - how to tell a birder from a creep with binoculars: MH1 Apr 2016 #29
Reality check noamnety Apr 2016 #72
Audubon spent a lot of time KILLING birds. cwydro Apr 2016 #45
And then he drew them! MADem Apr 2016 #57
I know, right? cwydro Apr 2016 #58
DUers do love to fight. MADem Apr 2016 #48
I totally disagree TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2016 #9
+1 narnian60 Apr 2016 #18
Birdwatchers are also into native plants TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2016 #26
Like lots of them aren't just like that? Pffft! MADem Apr 2016 #49
What the hell has to happen to make a person hate and denigrate bird watchers? DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #59
Look at you, chasing me around this thread, YOU--who didn't READ THE LINK at the OP!!! MADem Apr 2016 #60
"chasing you around the thread" = "posting in the thread". Dark insinuations of stalking gain you DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #61
You're after me! MADem Apr 2016 #62
I responded to your words, of which I have complete and comprehensive knowledge in this context. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #63
This thread left little doubt in my mind about that character: ronnie624 Apr 2016 #82
Bitter, angry, and with an irrational hatred of younger people. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #85
Ooooh, don't YOU have your finger on my number, do you catalogue my posts too? MADem Apr 2016 #89
I have a long memory, and Google is indeed my friend. ronnie624 Apr 2016 #96
I am sure I could do the same with you, too, if I gave a crap about such childish pettiness. MADem Apr 2016 #97
You're coming out of this as someone who aggressively berates anyone who doesn't agree with you. MADem Apr 2016 #87
No, actually several people are wondering what happened to you to make you hate bird watchers. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #88
That would be you and a couple of people you PM'd? MADem Apr 2016 #90
huh? TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2016 #64
Here ya go.... MADem Apr 2016 #65
Just wow! TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2016 #67
But you have to admit MsInformed Apr 2016 #79
arghhh LOL TexasMommaWithAHat Apr 2016 #84
Didn't you read the article? You do know they made a major motion picture about this thing you say MADem Apr 2016 #91
If it weren't for bird watchers 2naSalit Apr 2016 #74
Feeding them can often be bad for them and the environment ShrimpPoboy Apr 2016 #17
Well, why don't you berate the guy WHO STARTED THIS THREAD, then? He feeds them. nt MADem Apr 2016 #92
That's a very, very strange opinion to hold about a demographic that has never caused trouble to DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #33
I wouldn't care for someone creeping around in the woods behind my home with large binoculars. MADem Apr 2016 #42
Your inconsistency is your problem, not mine. You said nothing at all about your back yard. You only DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #43
I don't accept lecturing from YOU either. If you don't want to read the article before commenting, MADem Apr 2016 #50
I grasped exactly what you said, and I asked what your problem with birders was. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #53
Oh, no you didn't--so you go off and have a BETTER day, now!!! MADem Apr 2016 #55
Its increased usage tracks cleanly with an increase in people's fee fee's getting hurt when people DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #77
You're obviously the one with the "fee fee" problem here. It's your way or the highway. nt MADem Apr 2016 #93
These days they - we - wander around with a camera with GPS csziggy Apr 2016 #41
It surely seems sexist to say so, but the idea of a woman bird watcher probably comes off to many MADem Apr 2016 #46
Most of the birders I've known were women csziggy Apr 2016 #51
I am catching a lot of shade here, for simply speaking my mind MADem Apr 2016 #54
Almost all of his papers and photos went to museums in Minneapolis csziggy Apr 2016 #68
Wow--brush with fame! How cool! MADem Apr 2016 #86
Oh, yes, he was famous in his day and his name lives on csziggy Apr 2016 #98
Does he look like any of your relations nowadays? MADem Apr 2016 #106
Yes, my younger BIL looks very much like Dr. Roberts csziggy Apr 2016 #109
Wow--how neat to have such a distinguished family tree! MADem Apr 2016 #112
Well, Harlan got thrown out of Afghanistan and India csziggy Apr 2016 #113
CAMELS!!!!! HAWMPS!!!!! LOL!!!!! MADem Apr 2016 #114
That's cuckoo! MsInformed Apr 2016 #78
Passing judgment. CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #5
There are zentrum Apr 2016 #7
Yesterday in my back yard FlaGranny Apr 2016 #21
Yes, that's the male. zentrum Apr 2016 #40
Some sample pool. malthaussen Apr 2016 #13
people think bird watchers are creeps?! wtf? retrowire Apr 2016 #14
People interested in the natural world are the greatest people. tabasco Apr 2016 #19
I'm a birder. Fox News creeps me out. postulater Apr 2016 #20
Bird Watchers are not creepy to me, but there is something about Ted Cruz, unrelated Dustlawyer Apr 2016 #22
Wow. I don't get that at all. lark Apr 2016 #24
This creeps me out beastie boy Apr 2016 #25
That creeps me out too. MsInformed Apr 2016 #80
Blame it on these guys ... eppur_se_muova Apr 2016 #27
Well, I been led to understand that jamesatemple Apr 2016 #28
The British birders are mostly male. cpwm17 Apr 2016 #75
People who are completely uninterested in the natural world, are "creepy" MH1 Apr 2016 #30
I don't really know of anyone who thinks birders are creepy people. Everyone thinks that of clowns. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #31
The article doesn't give any actual numbers to back up its claims daleo Apr 2016 #32
Not all bird watchers, House of Roberts Apr 2016 #34
Clowns to the left of me, birders to the right pintobean Apr 2016 #35
I understand the clowns (blech) etherealtruth Apr 2016 #36
But they don't find snipers creepy? rock Apr 2016 #37
LOL Scurrilous Apr 2016 #95
Keeps undesirables away if they find me creepy. The birds and I are OK w/ that. Solly Mack Apr 2016 #39
Wildlife occupiers should think birders are scary! csziggy Apr 2016 #44
I'd be more creeped out by sulphurdunn Apr 2016 #52
I am over 65 and am a ameture nature photographer Harriety Apr 2016 #56
You can always post a few photos Omaha Steve Apr 2016 #66
Ah, but you are wealthy, in the only ways that really matter Pakhet Apr 2016 #100
Never been creeped by either. ananda Apr 2016 #70
What a weird article. cwydro Apr 2016 #71
Thanks for an entertaining and interesting thread! Rex Apr 2016 #73
Political nerds are way more creepy. nt U4ikLefty Apr 2016 #94
as a friend of mine always says, "yeah....but nobody likes a mime!' islandmkl Apr 2016 #102
I'm glad that you madokie Apr 2016 #105
I actually read the linked article. rogerashton Apr 2016 #107
Realistically, bird watchers who "creep" create better photos... Jeffersons Ghost Apr 2016 #108
I'm a birder, but I'm not well-off. Ilsa Apr 2016 #110

In_The_Wind

(72,300 posts)
1. I think you should all know: I am not creepy! TYVM!
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 09:17 AM
Apr 2016

Excuse me the wild birds are demanding a refill of the birdbaths. All that free food is making them thirsty. [img][/img]

forest444

(5,902 posts)
16. Of course not, In The Wind. A lot of people like to project.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 10:27 AM
Apr 2016

I mean, we all project a little; but what kind of person would think that someone with a bird-watching hobby has a problem of any kind. Some folks are just bored with themselves.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
38. Now that's just creepy.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 11:17 AM
Apr 2016

Luring those innocent birds in with free food so you can watch them take a bath.
Have you no shame?

potone

(1,701 posts)
47. I agree.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 11:56 AM
Apr 2016

Avian voyeurism is a serious problem in this country which gets far too little attention. It's time to stop the denial and admit that we have got a crisis on our hands and address it with the appropriate urgency.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
2. I don't find either creepy...
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 09:20 AM
Apr 2016

Because oddly enough the really creepy people are the ones who try to look as normal as possible. Of course there are some notable exceptions to that rule.

rogerashton

(3,920 posts)
104. Is that Bombay Hook, Del?
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 08:48 PM
Apr 2016

Looks like it could be. and the hats are a precaution against sunburn. Seems to me like some folks on DU need to get outside more.

ToxMarz

(2,169 posts)
111. Well, based on the article
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 07:55 AM
Apr 2016

Apparently I'm not the only one that thinks they're creepy. Maybe no one but you and the birders get out enough.

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
3. Hey, I'm
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 09:23 AM
Apr 2016

white, well-educated, but not well off. I liked bird watching but it was always done too early for me. The early birds can get the worm. I'm rollin' over.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
69. Then you're second mouse!
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 12:52 PM
Apr 2016

The early bird gets the worm, but it's the second mouse that gets the cheese.

Back to the subject, I know exactly what creeps people out about bird watchers. People who don't know shit fear people who do. Simple as that.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
4. I think most people differentiate between people who FEED the birds, and people who
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 09:33 AM
Apr 2016

run around, tromping through the underbrush with a massive pair of binoculars, and writing down in a dirty little notebook that they've just spotted a purple beaked twitbuster at such-n-such longitude/latitude--and then lording that over their fellow obsessives with their binoculars, etc.

If you feed the birds, it's a good thing. If you chase them through the forest to stare at them, it's something else.

IMO, anyway. YMMV.

 

noamnety

(20,234 posts)
11. There's often a difference
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 10:14 AM
Apr 2016

between who people are, and how we perceive them.

I respect what Audobon did. But if I'd seen him running around the woods in my back yard with binoculars, I would perceive him as a potential creeper and threat.

ShrimpPoboy

(301 posts)
12. Backyard, yes, that's creepy and probably illegal.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 10:21 AM
Apr 2016

State parks, wildlife refuges, and other wild areas, no.

Nothing wrong with birders. They're just folks looking for a way to connect with nature that works for them. I wish more Americans would do the same.

MH1

(17,600 posts)
29. Pro tip - how to tell a birder from a creep with binoculars:
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 10:54 AM
Apr 2016

The birder points their binoculars at lots of things, usually natural things like oh, bushes and trees, and the occasional fence or telephone pole; and just once in a while it may seem that the direction the binoculars are pointing is at a person or a house or car. They may linger in that direction for a bit, but soon go back to looking at bushes, trees, and other more obvious places that birds hang out. The reason they may seem to be looking at a person or a house is that they AREN'T looking at the person or house, there is a BIRD in that same general direction. Probably a particularly interesting bird, because most birders aren't going to be looking at a common bird that means pointing their binoculars in a direction that might be perceived as "creepy".

The creep with binoculars generally is focusing their binoculars on people or places people hang out. Bushes and trees, not so much, unless there is a person in the bush or tree.

Simple.

(Oh and nobody should be running around your backyard without your permission anyway. I suspect you are thinking more of the woods behind your house? That is a public park? Then it may seem creepy but unless they are behaving more like the "creep" description than the "birder" description, you should probably relax. Microsoft is spying on you far more than that birder is.)

 

noamnety

(20,234 posts)
72. Reality check
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 01:05 PM
Apr 2016

If I catch someone outside my house "briefly" pointing binoculars at my windows, I am fucking CREEPED OUT. And there is no amount of justification or explanation that changes that.

My reaction would be to close the blinds, draw the drapes, and sit in the darkened house with an increased heart rate feeling violated.

You may not like that reaction, but it IS the reaction.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
57. And then he drew them!
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 12:15 PM
Apr 2016

You're right--he didn't draw from life. He drew from ..... death!!!!!


It kind of killed my enjoyment of his pics when I realized he killed 'em in order to save 'em.


Hadn't thought of that in years!

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
58. I know, right?
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 12:17 PM
Apr 2016

He killed so many gorgeous birds, often by the hundreds.

I'm glad for the work done by the Audubon society now, but that is one nasty fact that's difficult to reconcile.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
48. DUers do love to fight.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 11:58 AM
Apr 2016

Of course Audubon was not a creep.

If he were outside your window with a large pair of binoculars you might THINK SO, though.

smh.

The level of "offense" here is getting toxic.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
9. I totally disagree
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 10:10 AM
Apr 2016
"and then lording that over their fellow obsessives with their binoculars, etc."
Wow. You have apparently stereotyped an entire group of people based on...someone you don't like?

Most bird watchers I know are strong environmentalists who care about our living planet and birds, in particular.

If it weren't for bird watchers we wouldn't know how well particular species of birds are doing.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5221793

We have a prairie bird count here, as well, twice a year to determine migratory patterns.

http://www.rferl.org/content/global-bird-watchers-count/25262748.html

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
26. Birdwatchers are also into native plants
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 10:51 AM
Apr 2016

Many years ago a bird watcher taught me to plant various native plants for birds, especially hummingbirds, and butterflies. My yard is about 75% native plants, so it's also great for water conservation.

That was before "going native" was popular.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
49. Like lots of them aren't just like that? Pffft!
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 12:00 PM
Apr 2016

WOW! You have taken more than your share of offense!!!

The article is about perceptions. You can't control those. At least not without a LOT of PR.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
59. What the hell has to happen to make a person hate and denigrate bird watchers?
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 12:17 PM
Apr 2016

This is the most bizarre thread of the day.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
60. Look at you, chasing me around this thread, YOU--who didn't READ THE LINK at the OP!!!
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 12:20 PM
Apr 2016

Where the topic was "Creepy Bird Watchers!"




Grrrrr!!! GRRRRRRR!!! Someone got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning....!

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
61. "chasing you around the thread" = "posting in the thread". Dark insinuations of stalking gain you
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 12:23 PM
Apr 2016

nothing.

And I'm under no obligation to read the article. As I told you before, I was responding to YOU and your weird issue with birders, based entirely on your own words. You did not qualify locations when you attacked the bird watching community. Goodbye.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
62. You're after me!
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 12:25 PM
Apr 2016

GRRR! Grrrrrrr!!!!


Of course you're under no obligation to read the article! It is so much more fun to pontificate without any knowledge whatsoever of the topic at hand!!




 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
63. I responded to your words, of which I have complete and comprehensive knowledge in this context.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 12:27 PM
Apr 2016

They're right there for everyone to see. You're not going to come out of this as some birder-hating hero, so you can let it go whenever you'd like.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
89. Ooooh, don't YOU have your finger on my number, do you catalogue my posts too?
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 03:50 PM
Apr 2016

That's totally creepy (in keeping with the topic of the thread), that you dig back to 2012 to find something to drag forward to flog.

Says so much about you--not me.

ronnie624

(5,764 posts)
96. I have a long memory, and Google is indeed my friend.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 04:10 PM
Apr 2016

In mere minutes, I could find a half dozen more examples of gratuitous nastiness.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
97. I am sure I could do the same with you, too, if I gave a crap about such childish pettiness.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 04:14 PM
Apr 2016

Instead, I'll offer you a movie clip. Enjoy!


MADem

(135,425 posts)
87. You're coming out of this as someone who aggressively berates anyone who doesn't agree with you.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 03:47 PM
Apr 2016

You can let it go whenever you'd like....but it's too much fun for you to do that, I suspect....

Everyone CAN see who initiated which conversations, and how you jumped in to tell me just how awful I am because my pov differs from yours!

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
64. huh?
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 12:32 PM
Apr 2016

Yeah, a lot of them do wear crazy hats, carry binoculars, and crawl through the bushes.

My reply was to your comment about bird watchers "lording over" everyone else. That is a bizarre comment based on personal characteristics like excess hubris, which has absolutely nothing to do with bird watching.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
65. Here ya go....
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 12:40 PM
Apr 2016
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/dec/31/twitching-british-birdwatching-wild-side

In other countries, the world of birdwatching may be a largely gentle place ruled by calm, binocular-toting souls who patiently wait for their reward. But in Britain, it can be a truly savage domain, a nest of intrigue, fierce rivalries and legal disputes. Fluttering somewhere between sport and passion, it can leave in its path a grim tableau of ruined marriages, traffic chaos and pride, both wounded and stoked.

TexasMommaWithAHat

(3,212 posts)
67. Just wow!
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 12:45 PM
Apr 2016

You can read the same thing about anyone who is passionate about any endeavor: work, football, baseball, working out at the gym, fishing....

That's not a characteristic of bird watchers.

You blew it when you wrote that bird watchers like to lord it over others...

Just admit and be done with it.

2naSalit

(86,765 posts)
74. If it weren't for bird watchers
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 01:11 PM
Apr 2016

we would not know lot about ecosystems and how to protect them from us!

I might be creepy but I don't care, I love watching birds and learning from them. I have learned a great deal from watching birds, and all of wildlife, they're all connected and bird watchers get that better than lots of people do.

I give talks about wildlife as a professional and birds is one of my favorite topics. My audiences are usually amazed and thankful to learn how birds are like the "canary in a coalmine" for all ecological environments. And you can often tell what other wildlife might be in a place by which birds hang around.

Folks who can't make the mental connection to birds and importance of bird watchers needs to get their head out of the iphone or ipad or whatever their preferred "ignore everything around me" device.

ETA: I absolutely despise clowns!!

ShrimpPoboy

(301 posts)
17. Feeding them can often be bad for them and the environment
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 10:30 AM
Apr 2016

But please continue telling us how things you don't understand are wierd.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
33. That's a very, very strange opinion to hold about a demographic that has never caused trouble to
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 11:03 AM
Apr 2016

anyone.

Do you wish to explain why it is that bird watchers are on your "creepy" list?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
42. I wouldn't care for someone creeping around in the woods behind my home with large binoculars.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 11:45 AM
Apr 2016

If you bothered to click the link and read the doggone article you'd see the point the writer was making.

smh. Too much trouble?

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
43. Your inconsistency is your problem, not mine. You said nothing at all about your back yard. You only
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 11:48 AM
Apr 2016

said that you thought birders were creepy. I don't accept lecturing from you, make sure you understand that. Learn how to say what you want to say before blaming others for your incoherence.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
50. I don't accept lecturing from YOU either. If you don't want to read the article before commenting,
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 12:02 PM
Apr 2016

fine. But don't get all huffy when YOU don't grasp the point.

The one who is incoherent is the one who couldn't bother clicking on the link....and that would be you.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
53. I grasped exactly what you said, and I asked what your problem with birders was.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 12:06 PM
Apr 2016

Again, you go and learn how to write a post, and take your butthurt elsewhere. I responded to you, and I did so accurately. You're slipping.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
55. Oh, no you didn't--so you go off and have a BETTER day, now!!!
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 12:13 PM
Apr 2016

HARRRUMPH!!!!



What's with all the weird use of the word "butthurt" lately?

Hmmm.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
77. Its increased usage tracks cleanly with an increase in people's fee fee's getting hurt when people
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 01:29 PM
Apr 2016

ask them why they're making bizarre posts.

csziggy

(34,137 posts)
41. These days they - we - wander around with a camera with GPS
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 11:36 AM
Apr 2016

Anymore it doesn't count as a sure ID unless you get a photo of it and the GPS nails exactly where you were when you got the picture!

On the other hand, some of us don't have to tramp around through the underbrush. I added a new bird to my life list yesterday sitting at my computer! http://www.democraticunderground.com/12081568

There was another bird I added to ones I've seen but since it was too quick for me to get a photo, it doesn't really count. It's not the first time I've seen a cat bird but the first time I've seen one on my farm.

Mostly my husband and I go watch birds on our farm or by hiking places where there might be birds - wildlife refuges are perfect for that.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
46. It surely seems sexist to say so, but the idea of a woman bird watcher probably comes off to many
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 11:55 AM
Apr 2016

as "less creepy" than a male bird watcher, mainly because most Peeping Toms are NOT women.

Also, the whole "I was only bird watching" excuse has been used in the past by many fellows who just wanted to get a look inside some lady's home. It's even become a "TV trope."


Because some might think I'm inventing this, a link (or 3):

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/peeping-tom-doc-i-was-bird-watching-628961


http://www.birdchick.com/blog/2010/01/birder-arrest


http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NaughtyBirdwatching

csziggy

(34,137 posts)
51. Most of the birders I've known were women
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 12:03 PM
Apr 2016

The male birders I've know, including my husband, very much give off a non-predatory aura. Plus they are usually accompanied by a female birder.

My great aunt and her friends were the first birders I knew. They lived in Ohio, traveled all over the US to watch birders and spent winters with my grandmother to take advantage of Florida birding. There would be a bevy of elderly women with one man, usually the only surviving husband of the group - though my great aunt and her special friend never married. (I like to think that these days they would marry each other but back in their day they fought for the right to vote and for women to have careers.)

My MIL is an avid birder as was my FIL (who I never met). When MIL moved from the hospital into a nursing home the first thing her children did was put a bird feeder outside her window. (FIL's grandfather was a fanatical birder - he wrote "Birds of Minnesota" and had an article in the first issue of "Bird Lore" which became Audobon magazine.)

MADem

(135,425 posts)
54. I am catching a lot of shade here, for simply speaking my mind
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 12:11 PM
Apr 2016

(and never mind that I had a relative who was a rather well-known fellow in the bird watching set in his community) but I could see how some people come off the "wrong" way. It's not their fault, it's just pre-conceived notions. That's all the article was talking about, really.

A fellow in the company of a woman (or women) doing the bird thing would likely be better received than a guy stumbling around at the crack of dawn behind someone's home all by himself with a set of binoculars. Nowadays, people are so paranoid they don't do the "Howdy stranger" routine, they automatically assume that some guy tip-toeing around on his own has bad intent. It's the way of the world.

That issue of Bird Lore (if you still have it) is probably worth something to the right buyer, not that you'd part w/it...

csziggy

(34,137 posts)
68. Almost all of his papers and photos went to museums in Minneapolis
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 12:46 PM
Apr 2016

Where he was a curator and there is a bird sanctuary named for him: https://www.minneapolisparks.org/parks__destinations/gardens__bird_sanctuaries/roberts_bird_sanctuary/

The family has some personal photos of him but the ones of him birding are also in the museums.


T. S. Roberts is on the right

That issue is available at Archive.org: https://archive.org/details/birdlore11899nati

His article, "The Camera as an Aid in the Study of Birds" is on page 6 of the PDF with photos and drawings by him. The second part of the article (maybe in the second issue) is on page 35 of the PDF. Another article about photographing a catbird nest is on page 87. There are other issues on Archive.org. Dr. Roberts sent them reports on bird sightings in the Minneapolis are for decades so he is in many, many of their issues.

csziggy

(34,137 posts)
98. Oh, yes, he was famous in his day and his name lives on
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 04:54 PM
Apr 2016

There is a very good biography of him by Sue Leaf, "A Love Affair with Birds" - https://www.minnpost.com/books/2013/05/love-affair-birds-chronicles-life-thomas-sadler-roberts

Some of the photos in it were supplied by my MIL. We now have the custody of them and they are part of what I need to get scanned and online for others to reference. Not too long ago Sue Leaf contacted MIL who sent her to me to get photos of TSR's sister who was a well known artist in her own right. That article came out in a periodical for University of Minnesota, I believe.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
106. Does he look like any of your relations nowadays?
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 08:58 PM
Apr 2016

It's very neat when you have a picture of a relative from way back when and you can see what they look like! And see who looks like him!

This relative of yours would make a great subject for a film!!


.....a fascinating character in Minnesota history, from his sometimes outrageous efforts to document every bird in the state to his important role in building Minnesota’s reputation as a medical center to his evolution from hunter to conservationist.



I have found a few branches in my family tree who pop up as bit players in bigger tales, but I've never had a relation who rated their own biography--how cool is that!

csziggy

(34,137 posts)
109. Yes, my younger BIL looks very much like Dr. Roberts
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 11:25 PM
Apr 2016

Sue Leaf commented on the resemblance in her preface to the biography. She met him and my MIL when she visited to interview them and go through the photos and documents MIL had from Dr. Roberts' life.

A film about TSR (as the family calls him) would be cool - I wonder who could play him? Of course the best thing would be to do his life and that would need several actors to play him throughout his life.

On my side of the family we have a few who have rated biographies, but none as closely related or in the direct line. My favorite, though he is only a distant cousin, is Josiah Harlan. He was the real person who possibly inspired the title character in Rudyard Kipling's short story "The Man Who Would Be King." A biography of him was published in 2004 by Ben Macintyre, "The Man Who Would Be King: The First American in Afghanistan." One review of the book says, "It took two of the manliest British men of the 20th century to stand in for one crazed 19th century American." (http://www.bookslut.com/nonfiction/2004_05_002048.php) They couldn't make just one movie about Josiah Harlan - his exploits would need a series!

MADem

(135,425 posts)
112. Wow--how neat to have such a distinguished family tree!
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 12:34 PM
Apr 2016

You've got some great connections, there! And HARLAN! We could use more people like him at the State Department!!

At various points in his journey into Afghan territories Harlan was a fakir medicine man, a guru, a diplomat and a conqueror. Harlan negotiated the release of hostages in one village and used the secrets of freemasonry to secure the support of the mystic in another. Oh and then he became a king of a savage Afghan tribal band at the age of 39. By the way, this is a work of non-fiction.


csziggy

(34,137 posts)
113. Well, Harlan got thrown out of Afghanistan and India
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 12:49 PM
Apr 2016

And his book about his experiences was banned by the British government and they discredited him with the US government so the book pretty much didn't sell anywhere. He was involved in trying to convince the US government to use camels in the Southwest - which was a resounding failure, plus they didn't even use the Bactrian camels he wanted to import from Afghanistan but went for the single hump ones from North Africa.

If he were around today he'd probably be a candidate for President! It'd be a toss up whether he would be Democratic, Republican or independent, though.

 

CompanyFirstSergeant

(1,558 posts)
5. Passing judgment.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 09:37 AM
Apr 2016

...is all this is.

There is a bird-watching park near me and the bird watchers contribute a lot to understadning of the environment.

FlaGranny

(8,361 posts)
21. Yesterday in my back yard
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 10:41 AM
Apr 2016

I was watching a couple of blackbirds. It is mating season. They found a bug in the grass and they passed it back and forth between them and then, finally, one bird (the male?) fed it to the other which crouched down and opened it's beak like a baby bird. Fascinating, magical, and cute too.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
40. Yes, that's the male.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 11:35 AM
Apr 2016

I see pigeons do this too.

And wow, does a male pigeon ever do a fancy-pants dance to woo her! He puffs up to twice his size and dances in circles, cooing in this deep voice.

malthaussen

(17,216 posts)
13. Some sample pool.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 10:21 AM
Apr 2016

I don't fit the demo, so the fact that I find birders eccentric rather than creepy is not a statistically significant data point. Besides, most of my knowledge of birders comes from the late Dick Davenport and his friends.

-- Mal

Dustlawyer

(10,497 posts)
22. Bird Watchers are not creepy to me, but there is something about Ted Cruz, unrelated
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 10:43 AM
Apr 2016

to his hateful policies, that creeps me out. It's a visual thing, just looking at him there is something wrong, it's visceral! Scott Walker gives me close to the same reaction.

lark

(23,147 posts)
24. Wow. I don't get that at all.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 10:48 AM
Apr 2016

I always thought of birders as somewhat eccentric naturalists, about as far away from threatening or creepy as possible. Clowns, i get, but not bird watchers.

jamesatemple

(342 posts)
28. Well, I been led to understand that
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 10:54 AM
Apr 2016

there are hundreds of thousands of young males that are avid bird watchers in England that ... uh...oh, different kind of... never mind....sorry!

MH1

(17,600 posts)
30. People who are completely uninterested in the natural world, are "creepy"
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 10:58 AM
Apr 2016

to me.

And scary because there are so many of them that they are so far pretty successfully destroying the natural world.

The article is mildly humorous but also one more indictment of our educational system, sigh.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
31. I don't really know of anyone who thinks birders are creepy people. Everyone thinks that of clowns.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 11:01 AM
Apr 2016

But I'm going to get all subjective here and state that I reject the premise of the article. I do not believe any significant percentage of the population thinks birders are creepy people.

daleo

(21,317 posts)
32. The article doesn't give any actual numbers to back up its claims
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 11:02 AM
Apr 2016

In a poll of 1143 people, the phrase "many people" could mean almost anything greater than one, in terms of numbers. Shoddy, sensationalistic journalism.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
35. Clowns to the left of me, birders to the right
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 11:14 AM
Apr 2016

here I am, stuck in the middle with brew.

I get people thinking clowns are creepy, but I've never heard of people thinking birders are creepy.

csziggy

(34,137 posts)
44. Wildlife occupiers should think birders are scary!
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 11:48 AM
Apr 2016
Enraged Birders To Retake Oregon Wildlife Refuge In Dawn Offensive

[Burns, OR] The armed militants who have occupied the Oregon wildlife refuge may be encouraged the apparent lack of response by government authorities. But their stand is reportedly doomed anyway, since they picked the worst possible location to make their point, according to a source at the American Birding Association.

“The Malheur sanctuary is home to approximately 320 avian species beloved by birders. BIG mistake.”

The nearby town of Burns has seen a rapid influx of birders who are determined to eject the illegal occupiers. The birders possess a number of advantages when it comes to combat in open terrain, according to those familiar with the hobby.

“They are masters of disguise who know how to blend into the outdoor environment, whereas the enemy, with their pickups, massive guns, and loud obnoxious personalities, tend to stick out like a sore thumb.”

More: http://www.breakingburgh.com/enraged-birders-to-retake-oregon-wildlife-refuge-in-dawn-offensive/



NOTE:
About

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In case you read that too quickly, it’s SATIRE, so put that lawyer back in your pocket.
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79-Year-Old Bird Watcher Takes Down Oregon Militant With Old High School Wrestling Move

by The Lapine · January 10, 2016

BURNS, OREGON — Grandfather of four Robert Saunders says he was just out to check on some young burrowing owls at the crack of dawn this morning when he was confronted by a “red-faced pudgy man with a big gun”.

And things got physical when Saunders refused the barked orders to halt and identify himself.

But it wasn’t the retired teacher who ended up on the ground.

“Well heck, one second he was warming his hands by this kind of puny little fire and the next second he was running at me and shouting to get down on the ground,” Saunders told reporters gathered near the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.

More: https://thelapine.ca/79-year-old-bird-watcher-takes-down-oregon-militant-with-old-high-school-wrestling-move/


Again, NOTE: "The Lapine is all about poking people and things that deserve to be poked. It is satirical commentary written by all kinds of people from here, there and darned near everywhere."

When I sent this second story to my husband while he was spending time with his Mom in hospital, she said, "This 87 year old birder is ready to go help take back Malheur!"

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
52. I'd be more creeped out by
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 12:05 PM
Apr 2016

a Second Amendment solution gun advocate in an open carry, stand your ground state, who suddenly felt threatened by the odd way I was dressed, and by my dark tan, while gazing in his general direction through binoculars.

Harriety

(298 posts)
56. I am over 65 and am a ameture nature photographer
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 12:14 PM
Apr 2016

My husband and I are not well off. We buy all our clothes at thrift stores, many house projects are put on hold, and we don't have anything in our savings account. I take pictures, some of them are of birds. So that makes me wealthy huh? Gotta laugh at that.

Pakhet

(520 posts)
100. Ah, but you are wealthy, in the only ways that really matter
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 07:38 PM
Apr 2016
yes, I know, cheezy, but I really do think that way most of the time.


ps. it's the binoculars that people think are creepy, I guess.
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
73. Thanks for an entertaining and interesting thread!
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 01:10 PM
Apr 2016

The responses are priceless! Never heard that about bird watchers...but clowns, weeeelll it depends imo;

Not creepy just sappy; EDIT - okay he is a little bit creepy.


RUN LIKE HELL!!!


Not creepy, but now my neck hurts;


Okay lie to me and tell me that is not a little bit creepy!

You didn't say what kind of bird watcher!

madokie

(51,076 posts)
105. I'm glad that you
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 08:53 PM
Apr 2016

and Marta do exactly as you like to do. This is America and you are free to enjoy your life as you see fit, anyone else that doesn't agree be damned. IMO

I like the things you post so there

rogerashton

(3,920 posts)
107. I actually read the linked article.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 09:15 PM
Apr 2016

What it said is that people who collect stuff are creepy. Birders, too, but not so much.

The eagles were at the nest in John Heinz refuge today, and there was an immature in the woods south of the impoundment. The rusty blackbirds are still around, too, but the winter ducks have headed north.

Oh, well, -- I do have a collection of picture postcards -- so I guess I'm convicted of being creepy disregardless.

Ilsa

(61,697 posts)
110. I'm a birder, but I'm not well-off.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 11:35 PM
Apr 2016

It's a pretty good hobby for folks with little discretionary income to spend, unless you want to travel to pump up your bird list.

Birding teaches you to listen and be patient, to focus on details in bird anatomy and calls for proper identification. You learn about habitats, predator/prey issues.

I'm not competitive about birding. No need to ruin it like that.

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