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JohnyCanuck

(9,922 posts)
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 12:54 PM Apr 2016

Neoliberalism – the ideology at the root of all our problems (George Monbiot in The Guardian)

Neoliberalism – the ideology at the root of all our problems

Imagine if the people of the Soviet Union had never heard of communism. The ideology that dominates our lives has, for most of us, no name. Mention it in conversation and you’ll be rewarded with a shrug. Even if your listeners have heard the term before, they will struggle to define it. Neoliberalism: do you know what it is?

Its anonymity is both a symptom and cause of its power. It has played a major role in a remarkable variety of crises: the financial meltdown of 2007‑8, the offshoring of wealth and power, of which the Panama Papers offer us merely a glimpse, the slow collapse of public health and education, resurgent child poverty, the epidemic of loneliness, the collapse of ecosystems, the rise of Donald Trump. But we respond to these crises as if they emerge in isolation, apparently unaware that they have all been either catalysed or exacerbated by the same coherent philosophy; a philosophy that has – or had – a name. What greater power can there be than to operate namelessly?

So pervasive has neoliberalism become that we seldom even recognise it as an ideology. We appear to accept the proposition that this utopian, millenarian faith describes a neutral force; a kind of biological law, like Darwin’s theory of evolution. But the philosophy arose as a conscious attempt to reshape human life and shift the locus of power.

snip

Where neoliberal policies cannot be imposed domestically, they are imposed internationally, through trade treaties incorporating “investor-state dispute settlement”: offshore tribunals in which corporations can press for the removal of social and environmental protections. When parliaments have voted to restrict sales of cigarettes, protect water supplies from mining companies, freeze energy bills or prevent pharmaceutical firms from ripping off the state, corporations have sued, often successfully. Democracy is reduced to theatre.

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/apr/15/neoliberalism-ideology-problem-george-monbiot
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Neoliberalism – the ideology at the root of all our problems (George Monbiot in The Guardian) (Original Post) JohnyCanuck Apr 2016 OP
...and kick! bbgrunt Apr 2016 #1
...and rec! tk2kewl Apr 2016 #2
K/R Jack Rabbit Apr 2016 #3
K&R for visibility. Phlem Apr 2016 #4
The most important things for the voting public to understand ... Martin Eden Apr 2016 #5
K&R silverweb Apr 2016 #6
know thine enemy "religion." knr! NuttyFluffers Apr 2016 #7
Mutual Aid: A Factor of Evolution - Peter Kropotkin 1902 Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2016 #63
Read this and consider Hillary. hedda_foil Apr 2016 #8
This is the fundamental disease of our society Fairgo Apr 2016 #9
+10 appalachiablue Apr 2016 #12
and far too many support her SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #10
K & R Neoliberalism, the evil, modern, global scourge of the earth.. appalachiablue Apr 2016 #11
*snort* smirkymonkey Apr 2016 #67
I wish but it's certainly an attribution to Lloyd Blankfein, Chief Exec of Goldman Sachs appalachiablue Apr 2016 #75
So now "Neo-" "means "opposite of-"? lagomorph777 Apr 2016 #13
That is the Reason Reaganomics Became Supply-Side Economics mckara Apr 2016 #19
It was the 'liberalism' part that is reversed IDemo Apr 2016 #24
Ah, so it means the freedom to exploit humans, freedom to blow up other countries.. lagomorph777 Apr 2016 #26
Yes IDemo Apr 2016 #28
All that's true, but I would add...... socialist_n_TN Apr 2016 #45
Also read cover to cover... ReRe Apr 2016 #62
Yep, the terms liberalization and conservatism have different meaning outside the USA AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #74
The "Liberalism" in Neoliberalism is in the classical sense, not the modern American sense. Odin2005 Apr 2016 #41
Non-American libertarians are: Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2016 #65
The Origins of Neoliberalism mckara Apr 2016 #44
This Guardian piece needs to be an OP. Everyone needs to read it. hedda_foil Apr 2016 #50
I Agree, Completely mckara Apr 2016 #53
Thank you for the book info. :>) hedda_foil Apr 2016 #57
Neoliberalism is economic liberalism AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #73
Kick! DJ13 Apr 2016 #14
It's an Economic Theory that Became a Political Manifesto mckara Apr 2016 #15
kick warrprayer Apr 2016 #16
I take it that the TPP is another neo-liberal power grab? Baitball Blogger Apr 2016 #17
Yes. Helen Borg Apr 2016 #22
Certainly echoes the current election Armstead Apr 2016 #18
K& R ..............................I think........................ turbinetree Apr 2016 #20
Very good post! The way neoliberalism looks like on the ground: PatrickforO Apr 2016 #21
Thank god for The Guardian ... again. KPN Apr 2016 #23
Will any Hillary cheerleaders dare enter this thread? LiberalLovinLug Apr 2016 #25
Of course they will enter this thread. There will be many eye-rolly gifs,... Raster Apr 2016 #32
I'm looking forward to your apology when none of the above happens. Nitram Apr 2016 #35
Are you now?... and you are?... Raster Apr 2016 #36
Obviously. Nitram Apr 2016 #78
lol. Its already happening LiberalLovinLug Apr 2016 #39
the hysteria is fucking over the top Skittles Apr 2016 #59
"...the Americanized, feminized, pant-suited face of neoliberalism, running for POTUS" LiberalLovinLug Apr 2016 #37
LiberalLovinThug, your restraint is nothing short of noble. Nitram Apr 2016 #79
All I can say is chervilant Apr 2016 #68
Yes, chervil ant, and give you free reign to be equally derisive, patronizing and verbally abusive. Nitram Apr 2016 #80
K&R. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #27
K&R..... daleanime Apr 2016 #29
And, we're supposed to vote for a neoliberal candidate rather than a socialist because...? Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #30
Because the 1%ers deem it IN THEIR BEST INTERESTS for us to do so. Raster Apr 2016 #34
Good read malaise Apr 2016 #31
I see. So right wing trickle down theories that destroyed the middle class are neoliberal? Nitram Apr 2016 #33
weird revisionism? more like willful ignorance on your part. Skeeter Barnes Apr 2016 #42
I think some people don't know the difference sus453 Apr 2016 #52
Just because you have friends who misuse words the same way you do doesn't make you less ignorant. Nitram Apr 2016 #81
In order of your questions JoeyT Apr 2016 #56
What an odd distortion of the meaning of liberalism. Nitram Apr 2016 #82
It's nothing like what I associate with liberalism. JoeyT Apr 2016 #83
Laissez-faire capitalism has always been a conservative thing. Nitram Apr 2016 #84
Kick and R BeanMusical Apr 2016 #38
"Democracy is reduced to theatre." Well, we all sure hell can see that! Big K&R for this article! nt valerief Apr 2016 #40
If you define neoliberalism as being at the root of all problems, guess what? beastie boy Apr 2016 #43
Nice job with the artful smear. You've obviously been studying at the foot of the master. Scuba Apr 2016 #64
K-den. Bye bye!! Not my ally. nt stillwaiting Apr 2016 #70
There is one thing that most people don't really "get" about neo-liberalism....... socialist_n_TN Apr 2016 #46
This message was self-deleted by its author silvershadow Apr 2016 #47
And thus Goldman Sachs execs get appointed to Treasury to run federal policy. n/t Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #48
very confusing houston16revival Apr 2016 #49
Thanks for this! Kick!! Recommend!! haikugal Apr 2016 #51
Kick and recommended azmom Apr 2016 #54
It is simple, political libertarians are just confused conservatives. Rex Apr 2016 #55
Really great article, worth reading through – thx! snot Apr 2016 #58
Third Way, you are one of the branches of this tree of follies. eom Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #60
Mutualism. Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2016 #61
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Apr 2016 #66
The major problem with neoliberal economic theory and practice fasttense Apr 2016 #69
KicketyKick zentrum Apr 2016 #71
K to the R! Ligyron Apr 2016 #72
No wonder Neoliberals have been so intent on smearing Liberalism. The two are opposites! Dont call me Shirley Apr 2016 #76
Just remember that the corporations that love neoliberalism are majority own by a few families... DemocracyDirect Apr 2016 #77

Martin Eden

(12,875 posts)
5. The most important things for the voting public to understand ...
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 01:51 PM
Apr 2016

... are deliberately kept out of sight.

NuttyFluffers

(6,811 posts)
7. know thine enemy "religion." knr!
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 02:08 PM
Apr 2016

the commodification of all human values to "compete" in an "unfettered marketplace" puts wealth as the sole ascendant value.

all you are has been quantified and monetized into consumable packets.

money talks, bullshit walks, and money is filibustering us all to death.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
63. Mutual Aid: A Factor of Evolution - Peter Kropotkin 1902
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 05:35 AM
Apr 2016
Kropotkin's book drew on his experiences in scientific expeditions in Siberia to illustrate the phenomenon of cooperation. After examining the evidence of cooperation in nonhuman animals, in pre-feudal societies and medieval cities, and in modern times, he concluded that cooperation and mutual aid are the most important factors in the evolution of species and the ability to survive.



Cheers to my Marxist comrades for providing the good anarchist's work online for free.

hedda_foil

(16,375 posts)
8. Read this and consider Hillary.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 02:10 PM
Apr 2016



Attempts to limit competition are treated as inimical to liberty. Tax and regulation should be minimised, public services should be privatised. The organisation of labour and collective bargaining by trade unions are portrayed as market distortions that impede the formation of a natural hierarchy of winners and losers. Inequality is recast as virtuous: a reward for utility and a generator of wealth, which trickles down to enrich everyone. Efforts to create a more equal society are both counterproductive and morally corrosive. The market ensures that everyone gets what they deserve.


appalachiablue

(41,171 posts)
75. I wish but it's certainly an attribution to Lloyd Blankfein, Chief Exec of Goldman Sachs
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 10:43 AM
Apr 2016

and friend of Hillary Clinton, based on reporter Matt Taibbi's infamous description of the Wall Street international investment bank in Rolling Stone in 2009:



~ Reporter Matt Taibbi

*Matt Taibbi's "Vampire Squid" Takedown Of Goldman Sachs Is Finally Online*, July 16, 2009, Business Insider.
At long last, Matt Taibbi's highly readable and extremely long attack on Goldman Sachs in Rolling Stone is online in full. Now you can read it without having to wrestle with teenage girls who want to read about the Jonas Brothers.

As you almost certainly already know, Taibbi describes Goldman as "the great American bubble machine" and, more colorfully, writes: "The world's most powerful investment bank is a great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity, relentlessly jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells like money."
http://www.businessinsider.com/matt-taibbis-vampire-squid-take-down-of-goldman-sachs-is-finally-online-2009-7


~ Release The Transcripts of The $225K Speeches Mrs. Clinton!

 

mckara

(1,708 posts)
19. That is the Reason Reaganomics Became Supply-Side Economics
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 02:49 PM
Apr 2016

Conservatives didn't want to remind people that capitalism was a product of liberalism. They didn't like the term neoliberal!

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
24. It was the 'liberalism' part that is reversed
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 03:21 PM
Apr 2016

It was meant to refer not to left wing politics but a freeing up (liberalizing) of the marketplace. Apparently has its roots in European usage, if I recall.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
26. Ah, so it means the freedom to exploit humans, freedom to blow up other countries..
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 03:30 PM
Apr 2016

...freedom for the wealthy and powerful to do any damn thing they want. Thanks for the clarification.

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
45. All that's true, but I would add......
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 07:04 PM
Apr 2016

that the "freedom to blow up other countries" is part of the neo-conservative viewpoint, which is mostly an American concept. A neo-conservative is a neo-liberal who supports a muscular and aggressive foreign policy. Otherwise known as empire.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
62. Also read cover to cover...
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 05:30 AM
Apr 2016

... Naomi Kline's The Shock Doctrine: the Rise of Disaster Capitalism.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
41. The "Liberalism" in Neoliberalism is in the classical sense, not the modern American sense.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 06:16 PM
Apr 2016

Non-American Libertarians call themselves "liberals".

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
65. Non-American libertarians are:
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 05:53 AM
Apr 2016

Any version of anarchists, libertarians, libertarian-socialists, grassroots socialists, and socialism-from-below advocates. It is quite decidedly anti-capitalist, and is left-wing.

The basterdized American movement is just a masquerade to impose fascism.

 

mckara

(1,708 posts)
44. The Origins of Neoliberalism
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 07:01 PM
Apr 2016

The term neoliberalism was coined at a meeting in Paris in 1938. Among the delegates were two men who came to define the ideology, Ludwig von Mises and Friedrich Hayek. Both exiles from Austria, they saw social democracy, exemplified by Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal and the gradual development of Britain’s welfare state, as manifestations of a collectivism that occupied the same spectrum as nazism and communism.

In The Road to Serfdom, published in 1944, Hayek argued that government planning, by crushing individualism, would lead inexorably to totalitarian control. Like Mises’s book Bureaucracy, The Road to Serfdom was widely read. It came to the attention of some very wealthy people, who saw in the philosophy an opportunity to free themselves from regulation and tax. When, in 1947, Hayek founded the first organisation that would spread the doctrine of neoliberalism – the Mont Pelerin Society – it was supported financially by millionaires and their foundations.

With their help, he began to create what Daniel Stedman Jones describes in Masters of the Universe as “a kind of neoliberal international”: a transatlantic network of academics, businessmen, journalists and activists. The movement’s rich backers funded a series of thinktanks which would refine and promote the ideology. Among them were the American Enterprise Institute, the Heritage Foundation, the Cato Institute, the Institute of Economic Affairs, the Centre for Policy Studies and the Adam Smith Institute. They also financed academic positions and departments, particularly at the universities of Chicago and Virginia.

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2016/apr/15/neoliberalism-ideology-problem-george-monbiot?CMP=share_btn_fb#_=_

hedda_foil

(16,375 posts)
50. This Guardian piece needs to be an OP. Everyone needs to read it.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 11:12 PM
Apr 2016

As it evolved, neoliberalism became more strident. Hayek’s view that governments should regulate competition to prevent monopolies from forming gave way – among American apostles such as Milton Friedman – to the belief that monopoly power could be seen as a reward for efficiency.

--snip--

At first, despite its lavish funding, neoliberalism remained at the margins. The postwar consensus was almost universal: John Maynard Keynes’s economic prescriptions were widely applied, full employment and the relief of poverty were common goals in the US and much of western Europe, top rates of tax were high and governments sought social outcomes without embarrassment, developing new public services and safety nets.

But in the 1970s, when Keynesian policies began to fall apart and economic crises struck on both sides of the Atlantic, neoliberal ideas began to enter the mainstream. As Friedman remarked, “when the time came that you had to change ... there was an alternative ready there to be picked up”. With the help of sympathetic journalists and political advisers, elements of neoliberalism, especially its prescriptions for monetary policy, were adopted by Jimmy Carter’s administration in the US and Jim Callaghan’s government in Britain.
After Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan took power, the rest of the package soon followed: massive tax cuts for the rich, the crushing of trade unions, deregulation, privatisation, outsourcing and competition in public services. Through the IMF, the World Bank, the Maastricht treaty and the World Trade Organisation, neoliberal policies were imposed – often without democratic consent – on much of the world. Most remarkable was its adoption among parties that once belonged to the left: Labour and the Democrats, for example. As Stedman Jones notes, “it is hard to think of another utopia to have been as fully realised.”

***

It may seem strange that a doctrine promising choice and freedom should have been promoted with the slogan “there is no alternative”. But, as Hayek remarked on a visit to Pinochet’s Chile – one of the first nations in which the programme was comprehensively applied – “my personal preference leans toward a liberal dictatorship rather than toward a democratic government devoid of liberalism”. The freedom that neoliberalism offers, which sounds so beguiling when expressed in general terms, turns out to mean freedom for the pike, not for the minnows.




I've never heard it said, but I'm convinced that the whole "failure of Keynesianism" ... which seems to me to refer to the massive inflation, oil crisis and stagflation of the Ford and Carter years can be traced directly to Nixon's authorizing the surprise removal of the U.S.from being pegged to silver. The ultimate result was the petrol-dollar, but getting there was a nightmare, and Hayek and company jumped right into the breech with his cockamamie, never tested theory.

And away we go. Damn it all to hell.
 

mckara

(1,708 posts)
53. I Agree, Completely
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 11:37 PM
Apr 2016

Have you read Michael Hudson's book Super Imperialism. The Origin and Fundamentals of U.S. World Dominance? I highly recommend it, if you haven't.

 

mckara

(1,708 posts)
15. It's an Economic Theory that Became a Political Manifesto
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 02:35 PM
Apr 2016

It is destroying democracy, the lives of most people, and the world's environment!

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
18. Certainly echoes the current election
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 02:39 PM
Apr 2016
Financialisation, as Andrew Sayer notes in Why We Can’t Afford the Rich, has had a similar impact. “Like rent,” he argues, “interest is ... unearned income that accrues without any effort”. As the poor become poorer and the rich become richer, the rich acquire increasing control over another crucial asset: money. Interest payments, overwhelmingly, are a transfer of money from the poor to the rich. As property prices and the withdrawal of state funding load people with debt (think of the switch from student grants to student loans), the banks and their executives clean up.

Sayer argues that the past four decades have been characterised by a transfer of wealth not only from the poor to the rich, but within the ranks of the wealthy: from those who make their money by producing new goods or services to those who make their money by controlling existing assets and harvesting rent, interest or capital gains. Earned income has been supplanted by unearned income.

Neoliberal policies are everywhere beset by market failures. Not only are the banks too big to fail, but so are the corporations now charged with delivering public services. As Tony Judt pointed out in Ill Fares the Land, Hayek forgot that vital national services cannot be allowed to collapse, which means that competition cannot run its course. Business takes the profits, the state keeps the risk.

The greater the failure, the more extreme the ideology becomes. Governments use neoliberal crises as both excuse and opportunity to cut taxes, privatise remaining public services, rip holes in the social safety net, deregulate corporations and re-regulate citizens. The self-hating state now sinks its teeth into every organ of the public sector.

Perhaps the most dangerous impact of neoliberalism is not the economic crises it has caused, but the political crisis. As the domain of the state is reduced, our ability to change the course of our lives through voting also contracts. Instead, neoliberal theory asserts, people can exercise choice through spending. But some have more to spend than others: in the great consumer or shareholder democracy, votes are not equally distributed. The result is a disempowerment of the poor and middle. As parties of the right and former left adopt similar neoliberal policies, disempowerment turns to disenfranchisement. Large numbers of people have been shed from politics.

turbinetree

(24,720 posts)
20. K& R ..............................I think........................
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 03:05 PM
Apr 2016

I will help with a new Apollo program, and starts with what I call ...........................


Honk------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

PatrickforO

(14,587 posts)
21. Very good post! The way neoliberalism looks like on the ground:
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 03:12 PM
Apr 2016

1. We need to trust business...
2. Business-led
3. Public-private partnership
4. Excessive regulation
5. Entitlements
6. Giving away free stuff
7. Realpolitick
8. 'Free Trade'
...and my especial favorite: 'You can wear a suit and be a patriot, too!'

Words matter.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,176 posts)
25. Will any Hillary cheerleaders dare enter this thread?
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 03:30 PM
Apr 2016

Or is this one of those "ignore it and it will go away" uncomfortable truths that define their chosen leader?

Raster

(20,998 posts)
32. Of course they will enter this thread. There will be many eye-rolly gifs,...
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 03:51 PM
Apr 2016

...there will be many trite one-liner snippets of snark and there will be an entire cornucopia of obfuscation, from false equivalency to plain-old false information.

There will, of course, be thinly veiled personal insults and nauseating innuendo, that before Clinton candidacy 2016 were not tolerated by this site and Administrators, but are now daily fodder at the digital feeding trough.

Hillary Rodham Clinton is the Americanized, feminized, pant-suited face of neoliberalism, running for POTUS.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,176 posts)
39. lol. Its already happening
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 05:09 PM
Apr 2016

She has a long record already of supporting her husbands neo-liberal policies. Take the blinders off. And today? She is doubling down.

http://inthesetimes.com/article/18507/hillary-clinton-democratic-debate-neoliberal

Despite Bernie Sanders’ Prodding Last Night, Hillary Clinton Stuck to Her Neoliberal Talking Points

Clinton, instead, clings to the idea that small, politically vulnerable, means-tested programs are preferable to large, universal ones, and that the mediation of a marketplace of profit-obsessed firms is just what America’s sick need to help them heal.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,176 posts)
37. "...the Americanized, feminized, pant-suited face of neoliberalism, running for POTUS"
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 05:01 PM
Apr 2016

its funny because its true
- Homer Simpson


Probably funny is not the right word. But my post would be hidden if I said what I really think of her and her starry-eyed marks.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
68. All I can say is
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 08:08 AM
Apr 2016

thank goodness for my IL, because I have almost all of the derisive, patronizing, verbally-abusive Hi11ary folk sequestered therein. Makes DU so much more pleasant.

Nitram

(22,877 posts)
80. Yes, chervil ant, and give you free reign to be equally derisive, patronizing and verbally abusive.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 05:37 PM
Apr 2016

As you've just demonstrated.

Nitram

(22,877 posts)
33. I see. So right wing trickle down theories that destroyed the middle class are neoliberal?
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 03:52 PM
Apr 2016

The invasion and occupation of Iraq was neoliberal? Citizens United was neoliberal. The gutting of the voting rights act was neoliberal? Rubbish! Tax evasion is not neoliberal. This weird revisionism that blames neoliberalism for right wing policies is totally absurd.

Skeeter Barnes

(994 posts)
42. weird revisionism? more like willful ignorance on your part.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 06:28 PM
Apr 2016
Neoliberalism is famously associated with the economic policies introduced by Margaret Thatcher in the United Kingdom and Ronald Reagan in the United States.[6] The transition of consensus towards neoliberal policies and the acceptance of neoliberal economic theories in the 1970s are seen by some academics as the root of financialization, with the financial crisis of 2007–08 one of the ultimate results.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism





sus453

(164 posts)
52. I think some people don't know the difference
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 11:21 PM
Apr 2016

between "liberal" and "neoliberal". In fact most of my friends who get their news exclusively from the TV had no idea what it was until I explained it, and even then I don't think they really got it. Then when I mention Kissinger, they think he's this really smart man with a funny accent who was quite a ladies man.

Nitram

(22,877 posts)
81. Just because you have friends who misuse words the same way you do doesn't make you less ignorant.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 05:39 PM
Apr 2016

There is nothing liberal in any sense of the word about folks like Reagan and thatcher. They are hard core conservatives.

JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
56. In order of your questions
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 12:39 AM
Apr 2016

Yes, No, Yes, Yes.

Neoliberalism IS right wing. It's libertarianism for the ultra-rich.

The only real difference between neoliberalism and neoconservatism is how militaristic they are.

JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
83. It's nothing like what I associate with liberalism.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 06:17 PM
Apr 2016

Neoliberalism and neoconservatism are just rebrandings of old ideologies that got bad names. (and for good reason) Neoliberals are laissez-faire capitalists, and neoconservatives are pretty much just fascists dressed up in a shiny new suit.

Nitram

(22,877 posts)
84. Laissez-faire capitalism has always been a conservative thing.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 06:57 PM
Apr 2016

I don't understand how a liberal who supports government regulation of the economy could be branded a "neoliberal".

beastie boy

(9,421 posts)
43. If you define neoliberalism as being at the root of all problems, guess what?
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 06:39 PM
Apr 2016

It gets to be at the root of all problems!

This is bait and switch baloney. Neo-liberalism is an archaic 19th century economic theory and philosophy which has been dusted off and arbitrarily slapped onto perceived "enemies" by clueless demagogues. It has no purpose in defining any contemporary events. The latest incarnation of it, Reagan's trickle-down theory, had a mercifully short life and is back among the dead after doing enormous damage to America and the world. Even the ridiculous term "crony capitalism" which has become fashionable among the right wingers describes the root of our problems more accurately than "neoliberalism".

Frankly, when I hear college sophomores go on their "neoliberalism" tirades, it makes me puke!

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
64. Nice job with the artful smear. You've obviously been studying at the foot of the master.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 05:52 AM
Apr 2016

The Guardian isn't published by college sophomores.

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
46. There is one thing that most people don't really "get" about neo-liberalism.......
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 07:15 PM
Apr 2016

That it IS an ideology. The idea is what's important, not results or facts. If the results and/or the facts oppose the idea, there's something wrong with the results or the facts. It's NOT the fault of the idea. It's like religion that way.

That's why it can't be compromised with. Any compromise made with neo-liberalism is only made because they can't get it all at once. They'll never stop trying to bring their ideal neo-liberal world into being. That's why every compromise for the last 40 years has led further and further to the right.

Response to JohnyCanuck (Original post)

houston16revival

(953 posts)
49. very confusing
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 10:50 PM
Apr 2016

the term derives from classic 1890s laissez-faire liberalism

and has little to do with how left of center Democrats are
denounced as 'liberals' or worse, libtards

And correct me if I'm wrong, but neoliberal is not even
a 'third way' or DLC Democrat, although they may harbor
a few elements of neoliberalism such as moderate privatization
and austerity

neoliberalism is the philosophy of Reagan and Thatcher

Neoliberalism is conservative!

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
55. It is simple, political libertarians are just confused conservatives.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 12:35 AM
Apr 2016

The same as neoliberalism is just watered down reaganomics and voodoo economics.

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
69. The major problem with neoliberal economic theory and practice
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 08:09 AM
Apr 2016

Is that they don't practice what they preach.

It's all about open markets and letting compitition and the invisible hand weed out the unsuccessful. But when the banks and Wall Street were about to go away due to their in efficiencies and the invisible hand of the market was about to wipe them all out, suddenly they wanted protection. They all were singing the song of collectivism and how we all had to save the banks in oder to save us all from economic horrors. But if they truely practiced what they preached, there would have been NO bailouts, NO central bank loans, NO assistance with foreign debt.

It's ok for the average guy to suffer at the hands of the free market but no so ok when the invisible hand is about to wipe out the really rich guys. Now after the little guys bailed out the rich and suffered the economic collapse, they have the nerve to claim neoleberal economics theory still works. What a CON.

 

DemocracyDirect

(708 posts)
77. Just remember that the corporations that love neoliberalism are majority own by a few families...
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 11:20 AM
Apr 2016

... and some of them are not even American.

It's disturbing to know how Citizens United has opened elections to foreign power.

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