Many Didn't Think Recall was Legitimate

[Tony_FLADEM]

First Read: "Maybe the most important numbers in the exit poll from last night: Just 27% said recall elections are appropriate for any reason (and Barrett won those folks, 90%-9%). By comparison, 60% said that recalls are legitimate only for official misconduct (and Walker won them, 68%-31%), while another 10% said recalls are never appropriate (and Walker won here, 94%-5%). Bottom line: Walker benefited greatly from the fact that many Wisconsin voters didn't think the premise of last night's recall was legitimate."



http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/06/06/many_didnt_think_recall_was_legitimate.html

This is what I said yesterday: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002771316


According to the above data 1 in 5 of Walker's voters were people who are against recall elections. This is what allowed him to win.

[shcrane71]

1. That's purely ludicrous. Walker is set to be indicted any day, and Walkerstan is dead last in job

creation amongst the states.

Nice spin, but it's as credible as Walker voters saying they're going to vote for Obama in November.

[Tony_FLADEM]

3. This proves what the voters in Wisconsin said

Walker has liabilities but some people still voted for him because they don't like recall elections. Obama leads in every survey that has been taken of Wisconsin voters. This wouldn't be possible unless some of the people who voted for Walker yesterday also support Obama.

[shcrane71]

5. That's simply unbelievable. Where are these people?

I've never met them because they're fictional.

[Tony_FLADEM]

6. You can choose not to believe the polling data but it was pretty accurate

[shcrane71]

8. You can believe in the flying spaghetti monster, but it's still going to be a hard sell. nt

[Tony_FLADEM]

13. All you have to do is look at the polling data. It doesn't require much more than that.

[shcrane71]

17. Looking at it doesn't mean believing it. I had a stats teacher that was fond

of saying that we're all natural statisticians. He'd often ask, "If A happens, what would you expect the consequence to be." Ninety percent of the time, we were right.

People have been wondering for years how this country is getting more and more red. How we're losing our healthcare, our livelihoods, and children to war, our standard of living... yet, we're voting for more and more conservative, rich people with little in common with us. Nope, doesn't add up. Just doesn't add up.

[Tony_FLADEM]

18. Conservatives create the perception in working class white people that only they work and pay taxes

and everyone else is on welfare. That's how they are able to win elections despite these other things.

[leftyohiolib]

19. why do working class people believe crap like that

[Tony_FLADEM]

20. Because it makes them feel they are the most important people in the world

and this helps cover up any issues they may be facing.

[shcrane71]

25. Working class people don't vote in droves for a Conservative, and then say they're supporting Obama

in 2012. Doesn't add up no matter how you slice it -- to use a trite phrase.

Where's the outcry at NBC?

[We Want Peace]

12. manufactured consent is thick in these parts

n/t

[shcrane71]

14. Thank You.

Great Chomsky book, btw.

[Larkspur]

2. In CA, Gray Davis didn't commite a crime, but Darrel Issa led the charge to recall him

I guess WI voters view recalls differently.

How long has the recall option be in place in WI? And who led the fight to create it?

[Tony_FLADEM]

4. I don't know how long the recall option was been in place in Wisconsin

In California the Republicans had a movie actor running for governor. Also, people were suffering from electricity blackouts created by Enron. They blamed this on Gray Davis.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

10. That seemed to be Republican's "dry run" for learning how to do political sabotage

They've taken it national since 2009. That recall in California in 2003 was real travesty IMHO. The recall + having Arnold Schwarzenegger on the ballot was probably the only way that Republicans probably could have won California for a long time. As 2010 proved, however, they can't just (e-)buy THAT state.

[Tony_FLADEM]

11. I agree with you

GOP energy companies were wreaking havoc on that state in an effort to help Arnold Schwarzenegger. It bothered me they were able to get away with it.

[We Want Peace]

15. Arnold let Enron off the hook for 8 or 9 billion

which would put California almost in the black right now.

As it is, deep cuts for everyone, but Ken Lay's family is doing AOK so no worries.

[Tony_FLADEM]

16. I remember hearing that he met with representatives from Enron a few months before the election

[rsmith6621]

7. It Called Messaging....

...Dems need to get a grasp on how it works.

[shcrane71]

9. If Dems haven't figured out how to frame an argument, then they need

new leadership that can frame the argument. Just because Dem supporters are working class and poor doesn't mean that the leaders get to be lazy and not work for them.

[onenote]

23. Comparisons to the CA recall are misplaced

The situations differed signficantly. Among other things, Davis had already served a term before the recall effort and he was only able to garner 47 percent of the vote against a weak opponent who had ethical problems and was outspent by Davis. The issues that were depicted as front and center in the recall effort were issues that impacted most voters. In comparison, Walker had been recently elected to his first time with more than 52 percent of the vote at the time the recall effort commenced. And the issues that were perceived as motivating the recall effort were not viewed by a significant percentage of the electorate as directly impacting their lives.

Its not that WI voters view recalls differently than CA voters as much as it is that CA voters viewed the Gray Davis recall effort differently than they viewed other recall efforts. You may not be aware of this fact, but every California governor since 1960 (both Democrats and Republicans) has been the subject of at least one (and usually more than one) recall petition, With the exception of the Davis recall, they all failed to qualify for the ballot. There have been literally dozens of other recall petitions filed in California over the past 50 or so years, and virtually every one of those also failed to make it onto the ballot (and when they did, they were as likely to fail as to succeed). In short, voters in California are not recall-happy and the fact that Davis was recalled reflects something unique about the situation, not about the voters perception of the process.

[Bake]

21. Those good, reasonable Wisconsans!!

Recalls aren't legitimate, my big ass!

What a bunch of frickin' idiots. I wonder how many of them were DEMOCRATS???

Way to go, Wisconsin. Enjoy the shitstorm that Walker will bring you now.

Bake

[Comrade_McKenzie]

22. Anyone that voted for Walker because of this reason is a fucking imbecile.

Plain and simple.

You get a chance to replace the current governor with someone on your side, you take it... no matter how illegitimate you think it is.

[Tony_FLADEM]

24. There are about 200,000 imbeciles in Wisconsin if this is the case.

[Blue_Tires]

26. So what they're saying is:

"I don't give enough of a shit to look at the issues and see why a million people thought this important enough to petition for; but gosh darn it, I think it's just wrong to recall someone for no reason whatsoever!!"

Either they're lying, trying to absolve themselves of any moral responsibility, or they're even fucking stupider than the ones who knew the issues and still voted for Walker...