The Panama Papers: They're all in it together! Jonathan Pie - the shit is going to hit the fan-soon

[malaise]

I love Pie's videos (and pie)

[CaliforniaPeggy]

1. Wow. Really REALLY good. Thank you, malaise. K&R n/t

[malaise]

2. I dare anyone on M$Greedia to show this

tonight.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

4. Do you mean MSNBC?

I'm sure they won't!

[malaise]

6. Any of them

Watch this one - Pie is delish!!!

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[Dragonfli]

12. LOL

[FailureToCommunicate]

17. Please sir, what's a w-a-n-k-e-r?

[malaise]

25. Ha - great discourse on the destruction of schools

and community

[valerief]

26. So their academies are our (U.S.) charter schools. nt

[malaise]

28. Ding ding

The 1% want everything

[Enthusiast]

42. They're close.

[passiveporcupine]

48. Oh man, I love him!

[mikehiggins]

56. That was hilarious. That kid had to be totally confused but came up with the best line.

What's a wanker?

[LittleGirl]

91. LOL, what's a wanker!!! eom

[litlbilly]

49. I dont think you could pay them to play it.

[Vincardog]

53. Main Stream No one But Clinton? Shore

[BainsBane]

41. The editor of the German paper who directed the Panama Papers project

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Says there have been few American names on the list, and no names of any political officials. They speculated that may be because Americans have so many other options for stashing money abroad and that our close relations with Panama would make it too close for comfort.

On the media did a program on it this weekend. They also talked about how Panama came to be a banking enclave.
http://www.wnyc.org/story/behind-panama-papers/

[passiveporcupine]

50. Do you even possess a sense of humor?

This is a fun thread...even if it does have a real message that hopefully will reach sensible adults.

[BainsBane]

57. I apologize for interjecting information into a thread

I should have realized that is frowned on upon here. By all means, keep fanning the claims that the media is engaging in a cover up to protect Democratic politicians. Why have information when mindless conspiracies are so much more humorous.

What's especially funny is that people watch cable television 24/7 just so they can complain about it. I think it far more logical to not consume it, which is exactly what I do. One of the key questions addressed in the "On the Media" broadcast is why the papers have received so much less attention in the US than in many other countries. My post above summarized what they said on the subject. Again, not nearly as "funny" as "M$M" but instead intended for the odd person who might actually care about the subject matter rather than someone who feels compelled to attack those who do.

[malaise]

58. Are you suggesting that this exposure of the hiding of money is a conspiracy? n/t

[passiveporcupine]

64. You and your team come across as such downers

Especially on anything positive about Benrie. You all have an agenda, and too often it does not result in adding information. Much, if not most of it is lies, propaganda, insults and hate screeds.

Don't pretend to be holier than thou. I don't even have a TV or cable or satellite, so most of what I see comes from DU, and it's all off the internet. That does not make me better than people who do watch TV or have cable.

You can't even admire news cloaked in good comedy when you see it. Your (collective) anger fried brains can't process humor. Did you hate the Jon Stewart show too? That I did watch on-line whenever I could. I don't even have Netflix any more. So I really appreciate threads like this that expose me to good humor and news.

And the fact that you don't see what the media is doing is pretty telling...seriously, lighten up and maybe some of the truth will filter in.

And stop stalking Bernie threads. I ignore most positive Hillary threads, because it's not my place to put everyone down here who supports Hillary. When I get involved, it's usually because someone is trashing Bernie again. Maybe if each team just focused on more positive stuff on their candidate, there wouldn't be so much acrimony around here.

[Marty McGraw]

120. ( ._.)

[deacon_sephiroth]

99. so that's a "no"? n/t

[Zephyrbag]

109. "I apologize for interjecting information into a thread"

Rare enough for a Hillary supporter such as yourself. You are to be congratulated!

[BeanMusical]

76. "Do you even possess a sense of humor?"

Only for fart jokes.

[ish of the hammer]

78. Sydney Blumenthal and the Podesta group HAVE been named in the Panama Papers.

[BainsBane]

80. What's your source for that?

I read that someone (a company, I think) the Podesta group just signed a contract with a week or two ago was a client of the bank in Panama. That is hardly the same as being "named," as you assert. I'd like to see your source.

[ish of the hammer]

81. my source is democratic underground.com and amy goodman - democracy now

find your own links

[BainsBane]

83. You have no source

Hardly a surprise. If I had a dime for every made up charge I read online, I'd be richer than Trump. I know this may come as a shock to someone who doesn't even care enough about the truth to bother to verify a claim, but random comments on a message board don't constitute a reliable source. 400 journalists worked for a year on the Panama Papers. Articles have been published in newspapers throughout the world. That you can't come up with a single citation tells me it's because there is none, and you just don't care.

[ish of the hammer]

84. I've got 153 million reasons not to believe a fucking word any Clinton says -

but my sources are Democracy Now and this here site we are on now.
which you can find as easily as I just did. the fact that you didn't tells me all I need to know about you.
did you look?

[pnwmom]

87. Yeah, and so has Kevin Bacon.

Six degrees to . . .

[ish of the hammer]

88. John Podesta is the chairman 0f the 2016 Clinton presidential campaign so

it's a bit more direct and Blumenthal is a personal friend of the Clintons.
But I have 153 million reasons to think that the Clintons will do what they need to do
to help their friends. She ain't your abuela or your friend, but keep on truckin" mom, I'm still waiting for my
bedtime story.

[pnwmom]

89. What you haven't done is prove any connection to anything nefarious in Panama.

I know that he and Blumenthal are associates of the Clintons.

[ish of the hammer]

102. lie down with dogs ....

[pnwmom]

108. Or Kevin Bacon. n/t

[Dustlawyer]

82. Well I guess we need to find a leak from where American greedy stash their cash!

Maybe contribute to some kind of "Go Fund Me" account to pay whistle blowers to blow that whistle loudly!

[billhicks76]

113. CIA Op

They only let foreigners get outed. More Americans stash abroad than anyone yet none on the list. Expect a response.

[roamer65]

122. I don't buy his story.

I think the data has been purposely manipulated.

[pnwmom]

97. Did you know that the Panama free trade deal, thanks to Obama,

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contained provisions that drastically reduced Panama's ability to be a U.S. tax haven?

Instead of giving Obama credit for this, too many progressives are assuming there must be millions of Americans involved -- and there aren't.

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/04/11/president-obamas-trade-deal-slashed-increased-panamas-tax-havens.html

[Rex]

116. No, just 200 like the reports said. No need to exaggerate. nt

nt

[pnwmom]

118. And most of those are retirees who own property down there, and/or dual citizens. n/t

[azmom]

3. Kick

[AxionExcel]

5. Fabulous, righteous rant.

[malaise]

7. I hope it does

He has loads of other great ones

[hobbit709]

8. Want to bet on which usual suspects' names will show?

[malaise]

10. That's too easy

[frylock]

31. I wouldn't want anyone to Hoyt themselves defending this.

[AtheistCrusader]

38. .

[Enthusiast]

43. Pfft!

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[navarth]

68. d'oh!!!

[BeanMusical]

77. Lol!

[Phlem]

104. !

[Rex]

117. That got boring a long time ago, they are too predictable.

Never a bad word for the government, corporations or the party. Ever. Thankfully nobody here takes them seriously anymore.

[Dragonfli]

9. I love that guy! Thank you for posting, I was not familiar with him, but he is spot on for sure! /nt

[malaise]

11. He has great videos on several topics

Enjoy - this rant is great

[muriel_volestrangler]

22. He's RT's resident satirist

https://www.rt.com/uk/319601-real-news-jonathan-pie/

[litlbilly]

51. He could start a new monty python, it would be incredible

[litlbilly]

52. call it the truth circus

[dlwickham]

73. the Putin News Network has a sense of humor?

who would have thunk it

[ish of the hammer]

103. Putin saved Obama's butt in Syria and Ukraine .....

and has a better foreign policy for his country than Clinton had or did or will do for the U.S.
but keep drinking the kool-aide.

[dlwickham]

114. sure thing comrade

[ish of the hammer]

115. I know red-baiting when I see it. Senator Joe,

"Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?"

[ish of the hammer]

119. and if you had an ounce of intellectual curiosity,

you know that Putin is an OLIGARCH, much like the Clintons, rather than a communist.
but keep drinking the kool-aid.

[malaise]

121. Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! ROFL

since that's exactly what Pie is reminding everyone

[Phlem]

105. !

[emmadoggy]

13. That was a RIGHTEOUS rant!!

[Uncle Joe]

14. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, malaise.

[malaise]

15. Hi Uncle Joe

Long time no see

[Uncle Joe]

19. It's good to see you, malaise.

[FighttheFuture]

16. “All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.” --Orwell

[Paper Roses]

18. Bravo, same thing, different country. Unless you are rich, you're screwed. N/t

[malaise]

23. They're all in it together

He's very careful though - them British libel laws

[Octafish]

20. Speaking as a toothless pauper...

...That is one fantastic stand-up.

Thank you, malaise!

[malaise]

24. He's good

and that's the truth.

[malaise]

101. Check this link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027755664

[Octafish]

107. Lucky the Dog and John Perkins are good people.

Thank you for the heads-up.

ETA: The superdupersuperrich have accomplished what not even Ian Fleming dared dream, hijacking the US government for personal gain.

[malaise]

110. You nailed it

[SammyWinstonJack]

21. Yeah!

[valerief]

27. Thanks! He's great! nt

[LuckyTheDog]

29. A great rant (nt)

[Duval]

30. K&R! Great!

[dorkzilla]

32. But I like port too!!!

I don't think they want the $26.47 I have to my name though.

[malaise]

61. Hehehehehe

Never liked it

[dorkzilla]

66. I'm a middle-aged woman of Irish and English descent...

If I don't drink port, I'm liable to be tossed into jail (gaol!) somewhere.

[malaise]

67. Ok then

Any Port in a storm

[dorkzilla]

69. LOL!!!!!!

Yes, indeed!!!!

[Peace Patriot]

33. "We've regressed to the 12th Century!"

Right-O! And regressing further every damn second that the Corporate Oligarchs remain in charge of our world. The Black Plague and the last Ice Age are nothing compared to what they are risking now--Earth becoming uninhabitable, utter social chaos, non-stop resource wars and mass extinction of ourselves and other critters all over the planet.

We berate the risks that Wall Street speculators take, and that the banksters take, and we are filled with rage at the billionaire tax scofflaws and their toady politicians, but what we need to realize quickly is that they are so driven by greed, and the power needed to satisfy greed, that they have no other thought at all, except securing a cushy berth on the 'Titanic' with the peons chained and gated below decks against reaching the lifeboats. And if we don't choose a captain who will CHANGE COURSE QUICKLY, we are all going down!

Unchain yourselves! Bust down the gates! VOTE BERNIE SANDERS!

[malaise]

62. It's madnesss

Something's got to give

[scottie55]

34. I Just Called My Senator And Said Lots Of Us Are Tired Of Getting F-ed

And not one word on said Senator's website about the tax haven problem.

[malaise]

111. And you are surprised?

[bbgrunt]

35. OMG! I can't reccomend this enough. Better than Monty Python, and all true.

[zentrum]

36. Workers of the World—Unite!

[SoLeftIAmRight]

85. Many Many Thanks

i say it to many people - when i am in a checkout line i talk loud about fight for 15

it is sad that many - most - people i talk to do not know what fight 4 15 is

whenever i am asked to give a name that is called out to get service i tell them fight for 15

it is nice to hear it called out loud

[zentrum]

95. Great idea!

I'm going to see if I can do it too.

[malaise]

93. It's the only way

Solidarity Forever - I wish Springsteen would give us an update

[zentrum]

94. Seriously, it's the future.

Multi-nationals have absolutely no borders, no loyalty or commitment to any country——they are completely identified only with their class and their own group.

Workers need to join forces across borders too. Then decent wages in one country won't be competing with the desperate in another country—they'll all be in the same fight.

I believe this is actually happening—but very slowly. It's happening in real time, but isn't named as such yet.

[malaise]

100. Agreed

[malokvale77]

37. He's wonderful.

Thanks for posting those. I'm still laughing.

[suffragette]

39. "When it comes to tax avoidance, it's a private matter."

I've noticed that "it's a private matter" on this issue is something being said by those who have now been exposed by this investigation.

Interesting that those saying it have been the ones who have been all for prying into every nook and cranny of the info of all the rest of us.

K&R for posting this, malaise. Spot on.

[malaise]

59. Of course unless it's let's say (for example)

Wesley Snipes

[suffragette]

63. Goes to show he's not a member of the club. Remember the Bullingdon?

Reposted from 2013.




Allies in global finance and politics who have grown up from their local restaurant trashing days to helping to siphon their uber rich friends profits out of their countries (and out of their tax base) while demanding Austerity and trashing the social structures of education, health, pensions, etc for the rest of us on a global basis.


(1) the Hon. Edward Sebastian Grigg, the heir to Baron Altrincham of Tormarton and current chairman of Credit Suisse (UK)(formerly a partner and managing director at Goldman Sachs)

(2) David Cameron

(3) Ralph Perry Robinson, a former child actor, designer, furniture-maker

(4) Ewen Fergusson, son of the British ambassador to France, Sir Ewen Fergusson and now at City law firm Herbert Smith

(5) Matthew Benson, the heir to the Earldom of Wemyss and March

(6) Sebastian James, the son of Lord Northbourne, a major landowner in Kent

(7) Jonathan Ford, the-then president of the club, a banker with Morgan Grenfell

(8) Boris Johnson, the-then president of the Oxford Union, now Lord Mayor of London

9) Harry Eastwood, the investment fund consultant

[malaise]

65. Scumbags all

Won't forget them - pretty much the MCC boys

[Kleiner GTI]

40. One of the best rants I've seen lately! This guy is good! Thanks for posting! nt

[Enthusiast]

44. We need an avalanche of shit to show the malevolent fucks for what they are.

[SalviaBlue]

45. Great Rant!!

Thanks! I posted it to FB.

I really wish/hope the shit would hit the fan here and that people would get pissed instead of ho hum... just another scandal.

[leftcoastmountains]

46. Thank you for this.

I bookmarked his youtube page. This guy is terrific! LOL

[passiveporcupine]

47. Damn, he's funny

I'll have to watch more of him.

[PatrynXX]

54. nevermind the cab I knew right away this was British

they have that humor stuck up a lipper .... oi where else is there to move to

[OxQQme]

55. Australia and the PanPapers

Long and deep investigative journalism.

[malaise]

60. Thanks for this

[ReRe]

71. Now that was excellent

I so wish we could get this kind of reporting out of our media. Thank the gods for you and for the internet & for malaise for creating this thread.

[BillZBubb]

70. That guy is great! We could use of few of him here in the USofA.

[nadinbrzezinski]

72. Good one

[840high]

74. Thank you malaise.

[ReRe]

75. K&R

I sure hope we have some young inquisitive journalists digging into this massive storehouse of information, er. the Mossack*Fonseca "Panama" files/papers. Names (company's/persons), dates and amounts, from beginning up to now. Really enjoyed learning from your thread. Thanks!

[BeanMusical]

79. Kick and R

[dchill]

86. Stunning!!!

[Feeling the Bern]

90. The political bloodshed and body count from the Pamana Papers may topple regimes

unless their population is so beat down, controlled or brainwashed.

That means little will happen in Saudi Arabia, Russia, China and any place else where the media is controlled by one group.

[malaise]

92. One group controls most of the world's media

State owned or corporate owned aren't that separate anymore. They're all fascists these days.

At least we still have a free internet

[Jitter65]

96. Yeah. there's that.

How long before that is going away? Talk about a "revolution!"

[malaise]

98. We have to sort this out first -Politicians are the weakest link

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/12/the-guardian-view-on-tax-avoidance-half-hearted-politicians-are-the-weakest-link
<snip>
Within each country and internationally too, the aim must always be to tax different vehicles consistently, minimising the rewards for shape-shifting schemes. The failure to understand – or care – about this was one of the depressing things about David Cameron’s letter to the EU, calling on it to go easy on rules about the transparency of trusts at the very same time as he was making fine noises about openness for companies. Any such difference in treatment will inspire rich individuals to play metamorphosis with their wealth.

The ultimate safeguard against dodging would be to harmonise taxes across national borders, but the political obstacles are significant. The first step, which really should not be so difficult, is to agree to consistent transparency. This week, in direct response to the Panama Papers, Britain’s man in Brussels, Jonathan Hill, signalled that plans for country-by-country corporate reporting within the EU would now be extended to cover tax havens too. That sounded like real progress, but – on inspecting the plans – it took the experts no time to find vulnerabilities. Away from the EU and named havens, the rest of the world will remain as a black box, with companies remaining free to conceal information they already collect on their earnings in most states. Worse, the new requirements for havens only apply to those given that designation by the EU on narrow criteria, which exclude several major centres of offshore activity.

In Brussels and in London, then, those writing the rules continue to fall short of the comprehensive approach that is required. The upshot is that they are still whacking moles. And it leaves them ripe, too, for a familiar verdict from another game: you are the weakest link.

[Phlem]

106. K&R for visibility.

Excellent post!

[snagglepuss]

112. K n R