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RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 09:30 AM Apr 2016

All voting should be open to all in a democracy. AND, the following should be dumped by law!

Get rid of the: Electoral College, Delegates, Super Delegates, PACs, Super PACs and Lobbyists. Also, term limits on ALL politicians. There are too many career politicians on the money trough. And limit this endless money flow into politics. Dump Citizens United, one of the most anti-democracy crap rulings by SCOTUS. Then, MAYBE, we could call the US a democracy than this half-assed corrupt system we have now.

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All voting should be open to all in a democracy. AND, the following should be dumped by law! (Original Post) RKP5637 Apr 2016 OP
I agree metroins Apr 2016 #1
Probably, but it's not even about Hillary. It's about our supposed democracy in general. However, RKP5637 Apr 2016 #2
Representative Democracy metroins Apr 2016 #3
... but the delegates do not necessarily have to follow what the people voted for. n/t RKP5637 Apr 2016 #4
Neither do our congressmen or presidents nt metroins Apr 2016 #6
Yep, is that ever true!!! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2016 #9
Too simplistic. To be heard you need to advertise. To advertise, you need money. randome Apr 2016 #5
Yes on public financing. ...but I don't think politicians should buy elections with their own money. RKP5637 Apr 2016 #10
Career politicians are bad? Dr Hobbitstein Apr 2016 #7
Far too many career politicians. I'm speaking of the future. n /t RKP5637 Apr 2016 #11
So he gets a pass... Dr Hobbitstein Apr 2016 #14
Yep, as does Hillary! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2016 #18
Get rid of caucases too Beaverhausen Apr 2016 #8
Yep! Caucuses were likely great eons ago, but IMO not in the 21st Century. n/t RKP5637 Apr 2016 #13
Don't forget the damned EVM's stellanoir Apr 2016 #12
Definitely!!! But as is often the case, it just morphs along. The entire voting system needs to be RKP5637 Apr 2016 #16
Congress could be challenged by this clause cleverly embedded in their oath of office. . . stellanoir Apr 2016 #19
So let's go back to the genteel corruption-free politics of the 1870's! whatthehey Apr 2016 #15
LOL!!! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2016 #17
You mean the Tammany Hall era? Retrograde Apr 2016 #20
Voting in general elections, sure Spider Jerusalem Apr 2016 #21
I agree Johonny Apr 2016 #22

metroins

(2,550 posts)
1. I agree
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 09:33 AM
Apr 2016

Hillary would still be winning by a huge landslide.

However, I kind of like the system because it makes it difficult for Trump to prevail.

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
2. Probably, but it's not even about Hillary. It's about our supposed democracy in general. However,
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 09:35 AM
Apr 2016

yep, about Trump!!!

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
5. Too simplistic. To be heard you need to advertise. To advertise, you need money.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 09:39 AM
Apr 2016

You would FORBID candidates from advertising? I know you wouldn't. Now if you're talking about public financing of elections, that has merit. But, again, how would you restrict a candidate from spending his/her own money to get his/her views to the public?
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RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
10. Yes on public financing. ...but I don't think politicians should buy elections with their own money.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 09:44 AM
Apr 2016

stellanoir

(14,881 posts)
12. Don't forget the damned EVM's
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 09:47 AM
Apr 2016

The technology hurriedly implemented after HAVA that awarded maintenance & control of the voting machines to private partisan corps has rendered every election since vulnerable to untraceable hacking. That equipment was determined to be atrociously insecure by every single security geek who examined them. It also had a 9 year shelf life for functionality. So now, not only are they insecure, they are also degraded.

Optical Scanners employ paper ballots but the vote tallying software is suspect. Ballots are never scrutinized when margins of victory are greater than 3-5%. The percentage varies state to state.

This is not an argument to not vote. We have to overwhelm the machines with maximum participation.

Obama would have won by enormous landslides had it not been for flipping, & spoilage of millions of votes.

Kerry would have won also. The problem spread far beyond Ohio to all of the swing states. * had to win by the popular vote after the travesty of '00.

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
16. Definitely!!! But as is often the case, it just morphs along. The entire voting system needs to be
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 09:58 AM
Apr 2016

reviewed and brought into the 21st century, but it comes down to trust. Who can we trust? To me, our current congress, for example, is incapable of the task.

stellanoir

(14,881 posts)
19. Congress could be challenged by this clause cleverly embedded in their oath of office. . .
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 10:31 AM
Apr 2016

“. . . I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion;”

Kindly riddle me these two glaringly long winded puzzlements . . .

How pray tell, does pledging an oath to never, ever, ever, raise taxes on the “elite" beneficiaries of the greatest wealth from our economy, no matter what the heck the national circumstance (even boneheaded protracted exorbitant quagmires), *not* qualify as a rather *severe* “mental reservation”. . .?

Aaaand. . .

How are a flopping unprecedented seven year frenzy of filibusterings & onerous obstructions of any & all populist matters of legislation, and crucial judicial & ambassadorial confirmations, the often & long stated willful intent to entirely sabotage the executive branch, the intransigent avoidance of ever taking a transparent accounting of military, no-bid contracting, and “intelligence” expenditures & corporate subsidies, incessantly denying proven science, refusal to enact sensible gun legislation, whilst relentlessly hacking of our once emblematic “social safety net”, and environmental protections, not completely tantamount to gross “evasion."

To say nothing 'bout this : http://yournewswire.com/missing-13th-amendment-found-no-lawyers-in-public-office/

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
15. So let's go back to the genteel corruption-free politics of the 1870's!
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 09:49 AM
Apr 2016

Let's make America great again!

Retrograde

(10,137 posts)
20. You mean the Tammany Hall era?
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 10:37 AM
Apr 2016

I say bring back ward bosses and smoke-filled rooms! Or maybe vap-filled rooms these days.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
21. Voting in general elections, sure
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 10:41 AM
Apr 2016

but political parties can choose how to select their nominee. They don't have to have primaries at all. There's no requirement for them. Most other democracies don't have party primary elections to select candidates.

Johonny

(20,851 posts)
22. I agree
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 11:17 AM
Apr 2016

They are the professional organization of politicians and there's an argument they have better knowledge of who they want to present to the people as the face of their party. In a perfect system there would be no parties, but such a system is not likely.

Also there have been numerous articles showing how the electoral college actually maximizes your vote (or at least has the potential too). Thus, in some ways it is better than a general popular vote in terms of maximizing the value of your vote. It's one system in which the minority can win (which is not always a horrible idea). I believe the ranking voting system is more powerful than the electoral college, but is extremely unpopular to the point of never being used here.

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