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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThis statement might just sum up what we Dems are experiencing.......
Paul Wellstone's last statement: "There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans.
I want a party that will STAND UP for Working Americans."
---Paul Wellstone.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)This is as bad as anything the Republicans do. Let's start with lawsuits. Then let's start organizing in groups and confronting these traitors in public. Let's protest on their front lawns, show up at their work...publicly shame them. Then let's call out all their spineless supporters who think they can just buy elections.
DemocracyDirect
(708 posts)... but let's also fight all out to win the delegate count.
Things are getting tight and with everyone's help we can win the delegate count.
Then we'll have a strong case to take up with every Superdelegate.
No matter where you are, phone banking, social media works.
Door to door is the best option if its possible.
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)note: about 8 days ago i dreamed that this would become a headline, and here it is. bernie must have a whole lot of support on the "other side"
Stevepol
(4,234 posts)He has some real ammo to use in his defense of his own lack of "qualification" for the office of prez.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)I thought a ham sandwich could beat Trump. Now I think she's so horrid and has such a bad case of what comes around goes around that she could easily and most probably lose to Trump. Even Democrats have a starring role in Idiocracy it seems.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)if Clinton wins the nomination they will still GOTV for local candidates but will not be enthusiastic about getting people to vote for Clinton. How can one defend her when arguing with a republicon? "Well she isn't as bad as your candidate."
bjo59
(1,166 posts)Chasstev365
(5,191 posts)Wellstone would have been with Berine!
ReasonableToo
(505 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)HillareeeHillaraah
(685 posts)...what his colleagues know about him that cause them to not support his Quixotic quest, doesn't it?
ish of the hammer
(444 posts)I have 153 million reasons not to believe a word any Clinton says.
I bet Al didn't know about the Panama Papers.
what did hil say behind closed doors? do you know?
840high
(17,196 posts)white noise.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)She offered him in return for his support.
Chasstev365
(5,191 posts)NOT!!!!!!!!!
revbones
(3,660 posts)hopemountain
(3,919 posts)and paid for. link posted above.
Trajan
(19,089 posts)OMG!
Btw ... Gone
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)Fear...fear stops them. Hatred of the middle class perhaps and maybe some they do are skeptic that things can change.
I am frankly disappointed with Al Franken - but them each Democrat has the choice to make about their favorite - BECAUSE this is America!!
dflprincess
(28,082 posts)Franken apparently thinks he owes the Clintons for help they gave him during his first senate campaign.
I don't expect Amykins will change her mind - I suspect she sees great things for herself in a Clinton administration, but I think it's time Franken followed the lead of DFL voters and support Bernie.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)change before the State Convention. This issue of the deal they made with Hillary is really bothering. Next to illegal even if they have made it legal by changing the laws.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)by sending young men of color mainly Black men away for life and throwing away the key no matter how young, she also dropped her married name and took her fathers again because her Dad was a very popular local sportswriter for the Strib - I've had to hold my nose every time I've voted for her including the first
StoneCarver
(249 posts)She's my Senator. She sponsored the anti food labeling GMO bill in the Senate, where it died. When the vote came for cloture she voted for it, and it couldn't garner the votes. I called her office to tell her I was so disappointed in her for voting against labeling food as containing GMOs. I'm not against GMOs but at least tell people! They do it for BHT used for milk production. No shit her office said, "she voted for the bill before she voted against it." What a tool!
Stonecarver
ybbor
(1,555 posts)I can only imagine they fear the Clinton vendetta machine.
JBoy
(8,021 posts)dchill
(38,547 posts)2. Joins them.
3. The End
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Now they've sold out to the Establishment.
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)ConservativeDemocrat
(2,720 posts)Nahhh. Couldn't be that. It must be a conspiracy.
- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)At least you are honest about that.
ConservativeDemocrat
(2,720 posts)...but Hillary isn't terrible. And neither is Frankin.
- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community
pressbox69
(2,252 posts)that's a very good community to be a member of.
ConservativeDemocrat
(2,720 posts)It's the opposite of Karl Rove's community. The interesting thing is how often I get attacked for using that tag line here. Usually by the same sort of people that make posts intimating that Hillary is blackmailing Al Franken.
- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)That could be but then I would have to assume he's not as smart as I thought he was.
What do you think? Is he dumb enough to think Hillary is the best candidate or does he have some dark nefarious reasons for supporting her.?
ConservativeDemocrat
(2,720 posts)And smart enough to support basically anyone but Sanders.
- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community
AgerolanAmerican
(1,000 posts)and Bernie would have been with him all the way
Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)AgerolanAmerican
(1,000 posts)Wellstone/Sanders 2016
I'd have been orgasmic
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appalachiablue
(41,177 posts)bjo59
(1,166 posts)CrispyQ
(36,527 posts)This was posted on April Fool's Day, but it's not a joke.
APRIL 1, 2016
How Hillary Clinton Bought the Loyalty of 33 State Democratic Parties
by MARGOT KIDDER
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/04/01/how-hillary-clinton-bought-the-loyalty-of-33-state-democratic-parties/
snip...
Collusion between the Clinton campaign and the DNC allowed Hillary Clinton to buy the loyalty of 33 state Democratic parties last summer. Montana was one of those states. It sold itself for $64,100.
The Super Delegates now defying democracy with their insistent refusal to change their votes to Sanders in spite of a handful of overwhelming Clinton primary losses in their own states, were arguably part of that deal.
In August 2015, at the Democratic Party convention in Minneapolis, 33 democratic state parties made deals with the Hillary Clinton campaign and a joint fundraising entity called The Hillary Victory Fund. The deal allowed many of her core billionaire and inner circle individual donors to run the maximum amounts of money allowed through those state parties to the Hillary Victory Fund in New York and the DNC in Washington.
snip...
In other words, a single donor, by giving 10,000 dollars a year to each signatory state could legally give an extra $330,000 a year for two years to the Hillary Victory Fund. For each donor, this raised their individual legal cap on the Presidential campaign to $660,000 if given in both 2015 and 2016. And to one million, three hundred and 20 thousand dollars if an equal amount were also donated in their spouses name.
Beneficiaries
Recipient Party Type** Office Sought Total
Clinton, Hillary D C Pres $4,440,000
DNC Services Corp D P $2,263,436
Democratic Party of Wisconsin D P $207,278
Democratic Party of Oklahoma D P $140,000
Democratic Party of New Hampshire D P $74,700
Democratic Party of Pennsylvania D P $70,500
Democratic Party of Texas D P $69,100
Democratic Executive Cmte of Florida D P $66,200
Democratic Party of Nevada D P $66,200
Democratic Party of Colorado D P $66,000
Democratic Party of Ohio D P $66,000
Democratic Cmte of Utah D P $64,100
Democratic Party of Alaska D P $64,100
Democratic Party of Mississippi D P $64,100
Democratic Party of Montana D P $64,100
Democratic Party of Oregon D P $64,100
Democratic Party of South Carolina D P $64,100
Democratic Party of Tennessee D P $64,100
Democratic State Cmte of Massachusetts D P $64,100
Georgia Federal Elections Cmte D P $64,100
Idaho State Democratic Party D P $64,100
Michigan Democratic State Central Cmte D P $64,100
Minnesota Democratic Farmer Labor Party D P $64,100
Missouri Democratic State Cmte D P $64,100
Rhode Island Democratic State Cmte D P $64,100
West Virginia State Democratic Exec Cmte D P $64,100
Wyoming State Democratic Central Cmte D P $64,100
Democratic Party of North Carolina D P $64,000
Democratic State Central Cmte/Louisiana D P $64,000
Indiana Democratic Congressional Victory Cmte D P $64,000
Democratic Party of Arkansas D P $63,000
Maine Democratic State Cmte D P $59,800
Democratic Party of Virginia D P $43,500
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)legislatures so you have the numbers to do something about that. Currently, you don't. Just a little reality check.
a kennedy
(29,711 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)ReasonableToo
(505 posts)jimlup
(7,968 posts)I was working at home and had the radio on to NPR. The report came in that the plane had crashed and that Wellstone was thought to be aboard. My heart sank.
I know it is considered tin foil hat stuff in the mainstream but I'll be damned if I'm more than absolutely suspicious that he and his wife and daughter were murdered by the Bush Cartel.
ybbor
(1,555 posts)I hate to think that, but it has always been in the back of my mind.
Duval
(4,280 posts)I also "wondered" about JFK Jr's plane crash.
Avalon Sparks
(2,566 posts)My heart sank too. I mmediately started crying and I made an excuse and left work. It was horrible, such a great loss, I loved him so much. Watched him on Cspan all the time. I keep a black and white photo of him and his wife and daughter, when they we on the back on the green bus Right before they drove it to Washington, on my desk.
I'll never believe it was an accident and I worry about Bernie.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)have a history of taking out those who try to make a difference- just look to MLK, Malcolm X, RFK and RFK
southerncrone
(5,506 posts)I was convinced the moment I heard it, JFK Jr., too. I hope Bernie will stay out of small planes. But even flying commercial airlines does not insure safety, as some will do ANYTHING to get their way.
RATM435
(392 posts)This was Bernie before Bernie: Remembering the heroic late senator Paul Wellstone, 13 years after the plane crash.
http://www.salon.com/2015/10/27/this_was_bernie_before_bernie_remembering_the_heroic_late_senator_paul_wellstone_13_years_after_the_plane_crash/
Divernan
(15,480 posts)Orrex
(63,225 posts)Jim Beard
(2,535 posts)Mira
(22,380 posts)and in solidarity am staying out of small planes. Thank you for the reminder and the great quote.
Avalon Sparks
(2,566 posts)It was heartbreaking.
Wellstone, such an important voice for us! Thank you a kennedy. I want what Wellstone wanted.
Willow51
(4 posts)Ted Kennedy was suppose to fly with Paul Wellstone that day. They were going to a funeral. At the last minute Kennedy changed his mind and told Wellstone that he would meet up with him later in the day. Whoever took Wellstone out also intendec to take Kennedy out together.
Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)About ten years ago a book was published that detailed the 40 right wing think tanks funded by a billion dollars each year. The goal of these organizations is to limit the range of topics that get broadcast to the world and frame how these topics are to be understood.
Many of the talking heads have been trained in these places and they have been very effective in directing the way Americans think about issues. Climate change is a very good example. Many here can see through the confusion spread about this issue but still are not able to do the same with so many other issues.
No we can't is true for those living in the right wing world. There are many wise people that quietly offer rational solutions to many of the problems that we face. It is time to listen to these voices. It is time to elevate a different and rational approach to our problems.
Sanders offers us a chance to take a fresh look at the world around us. Sanders offers us a chance to explore new possibilities in the way we deal with our challenges.
Sanders offers us a chance to Change the Narrative.
Take the chance - accept the challenge - join the movement that can Change the Narrative.
Orrex
(63,225 posts)So Far From Heaven
(354 posts)FailureToCommunicate
(14,023 posts)R.I.P. Paul Wellstone
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)When we compromise our values, we are -- in reality -- agreeing with the Republicans that we have no hope for a better future.
Wellstone knew this; that is why he refused to compromise.
PatrickforO
(14,593 posts)I believe it to be because he spoke truth to power. Now, we have another and WE must have his back.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)and we MUST have each others' backs.
This is a critical juncture. If we do not succeed now, the corporate megalomaniacs will have rendered inevitable a bloody and catastrophic revolution.
Jim Beard
(2,535 posts)local voters minds, I have come to the conclusion that nothing is going to get a change UNLESS..... there is a mandate!
I mean Bernie, and I love the guy, will not be able to get anything done without a House and Senate. The last Democrat to pull that off was Lyndon Johnson and he did do a massive amount of arm twisting and got a tremendous amount of laws passed.
Two things brought him down, Vietnam and Civil Right Rights but he did get them passed.
Please don't fall for the bullshit of blaming Bill Clinton. When he can in he had Hillary working on a new public health bill and he raised taxes on the highest tax rates that Reagan lowered. He did some more Democratic policies and it cost the Democrats dearly.
The crime bill and welfare were later on but if you will remember the right wing had full press trying to impeach him. They worked at it from day one. I remember Linda Chavez screaming "White Water Gate" referring to the failed land deal with the McDougals.
I remember one of my bosses was happy as shit because Clinton was getting paid back for raising his taxes.
I know the news media is pushing this for all it can but please pull back. It is making too many of the enemy happy.
klook
(12,170 posts)and ponies, some folks call it.
I call it rock-solid Democratic Party values.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)marble falls
(57,275 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)It's the Third Way.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)We'd then have more than just a handful of Democrats who are in the Democratic Branch of the Democratic Party.
TBF
(32,102 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)That is exactly what they want us to do.
Fuck that shit, I say!
Colorado Rambler
(40 posts)Our dem-publican Governor here in Colorado is a great example. The words sounded good when he was trying to win the Colorado Governor's office, but once he had that little trifle out of the way, he's shown himself to be as Republican as any leader of the GOP. I wonder how stretched out his rectum has become as he tries to satisfy every energy outfit that wanders by. When we had a state budget crunch here, he suggested such sharp cuts to rural doctors who accept medicaid patients that rural Colorado would have no more MD's who are in practice here. And then there's the dem-publican crowd in Congress - ah, Congress where politicians of all ilks go to become billionaires. Paul Wellstone's loss is a loss for us all.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)It makes me worry about Berny Sanders.
Nitram
(22,892 posts)Odin2005
(53,521 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Jitter65
(3,089 posts)ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)We DO know the answer, MONEY! I guess the BIGGER question is 'how can Bernie win' when this has happened? It IS possible that he can pull upsets in the big states, but what good will it do for him?? Will any of these states or people spill the beans or actually blow the whistle about this? Is there any solution?
Most of his who support Bernie and have this information can clearly see that so MANY Hillary supporters simply WON'T see anything wrong with this. BECAUSE they will say it's actually legal! Citizen's United is LEGAL, but that doesn't make it RIGHT!
I've known so much about the Clintons for so long, and I find it hard that many of her supporters don't know this stuff too, so all I can ask is "Where's The Integrity?"
If you KNOW you're getting screwed and you go along with it doesn't that make you just as bad? Or at the very least a supporter who will go along with anything just to say your candidate won? This is insane! And it's the reason this country will probably sink even lower than it is now!
Too many other countries already have so little respect for us, but for some reason even "people involved" pledge undying loyalty with no thoughts about the damage this will bring!
The only ALTERNATIVE that seems possible is to actually go to the Convention and PROTEST there. That's NOT A GOOD THING, but maybe it's what will happen. I myself would love to stand up and fight back should this happen, but I have some serious back problems so moving around isn't an option. I was pretty young when the 1968 Convention blew up, but I've read a lot about it since.
DEMOCRACY isn't what we're seeing now! And if we want to FIGHT FOR IT I wish there was a better way. Is there a better way? I would LOVE to know.