If they have been getting away with stealing elections- why would they stop now?

[We Want Peace]

Why would they allow such an important election to be decided by the people?

Or are the people here manufacturing consent going to tell us that they never steal elections?

Have the naysayers been paying any attention? Do you understand how easy it is to steal elections?

Why would they stop?

You know how important this election was to the Wisconsin people, well it's pretty fucking important to Koch and his fascist buddies too!

[We Want Peace]

1. where are the people insisting they have not been stealing elections?

then why do you believe this one?

[Ellipsis]

2. Oh knock it off. you've been here six days... we lost

[We Want Peace]

5. so quick to shut me up

have they stolen any elections?

Do you know how easy it is?

why don't you start here:


US E-Voting System Cracked in Less than 48 Hours

Researchers at the University of Michigan have reported that . . . . "Within 48 hours of the system going live, we had gained near complete control of the election server", the researchers wrote in a paper that has now been released. "We successfully changed every vote and revealed almost every secret ballot." The hack was only discovered after about two business days – and most likely only because the intruders left a visible trail on purpose.

http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/US-e-voting-system-cracked-in-less-than-48-hours-1463881.html

[Ellipsis]

11. I doubt anyone will shut you up. We know this... you're more then a few years behind

on your epiphany. Do a little research here on DU before you start casting asparagus

[GarroHorus]

13. +1 for the graphic

Methinks the OP is showing phony outrage.

[Ellipsis]

17. .

[We Want Peace]

20. I'm a few years behind?

you all don't think elections have been stolen, it's freaking absurd

Wisconsin votes on mostly paper ballots --- are tabulated by computer optical-scan systems like the ones in Palm Beach County, FL which, in March of this year, had named several losing candidates to be the "winners". And like the ones in New York City which, in 2010, managed to toss out thousands of valid votes, including as many as 70% in one South Bronx precinct. And like the ones in Oakland County, Michigan where officials found the same machines failed to count the same ballots the same way twice in 2008. And like the ones in Leon County, FL which, in 2005, were hacked to entirely flip the results of a mock election.

In Palm Beach County, FL the failure was discovered during a state mandated post-election spot-check of 2% of the paper ballots. In New York City, it took nearly two years before the failures were discovered after the New York Daily News was able to examine the paper ballots via a public records request. In Oakland County, MI, election officials were lucky enough to discover the failure during pre-election testing. And in Leon County, FL, the hacker --- a computer security expert --- revealed the op-scan system flaw he exploited to flip the results of the election in an Emmy-nominated HBO documentary.

[SGMRTDARMY]

21. If you have proof of election fraud

put it out there. Meanwhile all you've done is post alot of speculation without proof.

[We Want Peace]

29. wow great argument you keep putting out there, so adamant to shut me up...strange

the votes were put through a central tabulator which can easily be manipulated

Fascists steal elections then use the media (and trolls) to manufacture consent.

It they can steal it, they will, and the system is all set up for them?

Do you really 'just trust them'

[SGMRTDARMY]

46. I am most certainly not trying to shut you up

I'm asking you to show proof of voter fraud other than your accusations.
Do I trust them, no, but absense of proof, which, so far, you or anyone else have failed to produce, I've got to believe that the people of WI have spoken and its time to move on to the GE in Nov. and win.

[Ellipsis]

27. We know... Go over to Bev's site and preach

[We Want Peace]

30. oh good one! Peacenikki just used that too,

what a great new way to shut me down!

[Ellipsis]

33. cool.... great minds

[gkhouston]

52. So glad you were banned.

Again.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=285290&sub=trans

[joeglow3]

12. Did Wisconsin allow online voting?

If not, I fail to see how your article applies.

[We Want Peace]

22. Do you know what a central tabulator is?

Get yourself informed before you attack me. Thanks.

[Common Sense Party]

48. How was that an "attack"?

Someone who disagrees with you is not an attacker.

Calm down.

[meow2u3]

40. Where's Anonymous when we need them?

[cali]

3. this is such a stupid claim. it certainly doesn't rise

to being an argument.

There is huge resentment over public unions in this country. Yes, that resentment has been cultivated by Koch (and other) monies, but that isn't (in our rotten new CU world) election fraud.

I have always known that people are persuadable and that the American electorate is often stupid. This is nothing new.

[We Want Peace]

6. 'people are stupid' is one of the manufactured consent memes

thanks for that

[joeglow3]

14. But asking people to prove a negative is rational?

Good to know.

[We Want Peace]

23. asking people to prove fraud is ridiculous. There should be no question.

There should not be privately owned voting systems owned by Republicans, with a back door easy to hack in 5 minutes.

This is a democracy, there should be open elections, counted in public so none of us even has to wonder.

The opportunity is there, the number's don't pass the smell test, and it is all tabulated electronically.

These are fascists we are dealing with, and you all expect people to 'just trust them'

[SGMRTDARMY]

24. So in other words, you have no evidence of fraud.

so fraud must have happened. Got it.

[We Want Peace]

31. in other words, you are okay with them expecting us to trust them with the central tabulator

okey dokey?

Or are you just too lazy to do some reading?


US E-Voting System Cracked in Less than 48 Hours

Researchers at the University of Michigan have reported that . . . . "Within 48 hours of the system going live, we had gained near complete control of the election server", the researchers wrote in a paper that has now been released. "We successfully changed every vote and revealed almost every secret ballot." The hack was only discovered after about two business days – and most likely only because the intruders left a visible trail on purpose.

[SGMRTDARMY]

42. So put your proof of voter fraud for all to see

just because it can happen doesn't mean it did, now if you have proof, we would like to see it.

[joeglow3]

47. The EXACT SAME THING happened here, except the parties were reversed

Democratic mayor. People did not like his policies. Signature campaign for recall election was successful. He is VERY unpopular and would NEVER get re-elected. And yet, he beat the recall by a large margin. The reason is so many people who oppose him said you should only recall for breaking laws.

[cali]

15. people- particularly en masse- are stupid. history is replete

with massive evidence for that.

You keep misusing that phrase.

[GarroHorus]

4. OF COURSE!!!!

They had it all rigged from the get go! The Illiuminati took over the Masonic lodges in Wisconsin. After that, the Bilderbergers ordered them to institute vote hacking mechanism X in order to make way for the black helicopters of the new world order!!!

It's all so clear and everybody is ignoring it!!!!

The only answer is to start thread after thread about it!!!!!

[lonestarnot]

7. What are you afraid of mr garrohorus blah blah blah.

[GarroHorus]

16. If somebody has some evidence, I'll look at it

Making claims without evidence and then claiming the lack of evidence is the evidence is nothing but conspiracy theory nutbuggery.

[lonestarnot]

25. And you think that your opinion is just going to make that sentiment go away.

Who's the dreamer here?

[GarroHorus]

43. It's a fact, not an opinion

There is precisely zero evidence of election rigging yesterday.

You are entitled to your own opinion. You are not entitled to your own facts.

[Common Sense Party]

49. Of course there's evidence! We lost!

When we win, the election is squeaky clean.

When we lose, it's election fraud.

Didn't you know that?

[lonestarnot]

50. No your reference as to fact is wrong. What about the word sentiment do you need defined?

[We Want Peace]

32. I know, seriously

someone so uninterested in our election systems, sure is keen to shut me up about it

[We Want Peace]

8. and there you are again

if you don't like my threads, you don't have to try and shut me up

There seem to be a lot of threads catapulting the propaganda. Why don't you join in there?

[GarroHorus]

10. The only threads catapulting the propaganda are your spam threads.

Spamming the forum wiht this nonsense is just plain rude.

[SGMRTDARMY]

9. Don'tcha know?

Because there is no proof of fraud must mean that the election was stolen. I'd like to hear from PeaceNikki who was there unlike that person.

[We Want Peace]

38. 'PeaceNikki was there' Oh I love that one, you all really latched onto that one- that proves it!

n/t

[Ellipsis]

44. .

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[SidDithers]

18. Is this "elections are rigged, so don't bother voting"?...

is that the message you're trying to convey?

Sid

[PeaceNikki]

26. Yes, clearly. It's rather suspicious.

Especially so that this poster continually encourages people to 'go rogue' in their 'election integrity' efforts.

It's very weird.

Now watch for the OP to attack me.

[SGMRTDARMY]

28. There you are

I know you had a long and difficult night last night, but in your honest opinion, as someone who was on the ground there last night, was the election fair or rife with fraud?

[We Want Peace]

34. how would she know? did she hand count any ballots?

ballots are counted by machine then put through the central tabulator

[Ellipsis]

36. .

[PeaceNikki]

39. I was asked my OPINION. I am entitled to an OPINION.

[PeaceNikki]

37. I can only speak for where I was and for the general feeling of my community/state.

I live among the cultist sheep stand with that criminal assholes. And they vote. Consistently. Democrats SUCK at mid-term and special elections and the GOP here wins national awards for turn-out.

This is the most politically divisive place in the nation and the mood has been tense for 16 months. I personally know people who voted Walker just because they are sick of it.

Yes, fuck them, they're idiots, but fuck us for not doing a better job of GOTV.

[SGMRTDARMY]

45. Thank you

I know there were dirty tricks and some voting polls not prepared for the onslaught of voters although they knew that it would be a massive turnout, but IMHO opinion, voter fraud was not a factor in this election. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[CJCRANE]

19. "It couldn't happen here"

seems to be the answer of the naysayers.

[We Want Peace]

35. As uninformed as they are, they are incredibly insistent that the election was counted fairly

The reaction is very strange to say the least.

[Ellipsis]

41. .

[socialist_n_TN]

51. Nobody's answered your basic question.........

At least the basic question as far as I'm concerned. "Why would they stop?"

As to accusations that you're trying to encourage people not to vote, I have no idea. All I DO know is that I, personally, haven't believed in the electoral process since Bobby Kennedy was shot. And yet I've voted every 2 years since then EVEN THOUGH I DON'T THINK IT CHANGES ANYTHING.

Voting and not believing in the electoral process in a bourgeoisie "democracy" are not incompatible. And yes, I'll vote this November too. At least if they let me.

So somebody answer the question. They've stolen elections in the past, so "Why would they stop?"