Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:52 PM Apr 2016

Imagine if Ralph Nader had appeared on stage with Al Gore a few days before the 2000 election,

shaken hands with him, acknowledged their differences of opinion, congratulated him on his campaign, and urged his supporters to vote for Gore in order to keep Bush out of office. No Bush victory; no Iraq war; no Guantanamo; quite possibly, no 9/11.

Had he done that, I would still respect the guy to this day.

23 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Imagine if Ralph Nader had appeared on stage with Al Gore a few days before the 2000 election, (Original Post) Nye Bevan Apr 2016 OP
"no difference" Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #1
Or the reverse, eh? Hillary appearing on Bernie's stage? KPN Apr 2016 #2
I'm absolutely certain that whichever one loses the nomination Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #4
There is this: KPN Apr 2016 #3
Imagine if Hillary didn't abuse her time as SOS Politicalboi Apr 2016 #5
Please note this is not a GDP thread. (nt) Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #6
Instead, he made sure Bush got elected... scscholar Apr 2016 #7
Imagine if 13% of Dems didn't vote for Bush. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #8
Why do naderites alway comeback with this? brush Apr 2016 #10
Because ignorant people are still blaming Nader. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #16
You are wrong. Read this. brush Apr 2016 #22
It's always someone else's fault. Jester Messiah Apr 2016 #9
I really didn't intend this to be about Sanders. Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #11
Then there was no good reason to bring it up. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #14
But some of the very best DUers start threads relating to 2000. Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #18
Yes, I did that...in response to endless threads bashing the left over 2000. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #19
Has nothing to do with the current situation. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #12
Well.... there's Jill Stein. Nye Bevan Apr 2016 #15
She won't take all that many votes. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #21
It was more important for Nader to sell his brand Orrex Apr 2016 #13
Now imagine if you will this guy *not* on the stage with Al Gore Fumesucker Apr 2016 #17
Imagine if all the Al Gore votes had been counted. Vinca Apr 2016 #20
Better still, Ralph Nader would have been irrelevant ... GeorgeGist Apr 2016 #23

KPN

(15,646 posts)
2. Or the reverse, eh? Hillary appearing on Bernie's stage?
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:56 PM
Apr 2016

Who knows. Maybe it will happen. Maybe Bernie will do that. And maybe Hillary will.

We shall see -- maybe even before November, but I doubt before the convention.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
4. I'm absolutely certain that whichever one loses the nomination
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:59 PM
Apr 2016

will endorse, and campaign for, the one that wins it.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
5. Imagine if Hillary didn't abuse her time as SOS
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 12:59 PM
Apr 2016

We all might had been able to get behind her to a point. She's still a liar, but we could have worked with that.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
8. Imagine if 13% of Dems didn't vote for Bush.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:36 PM
Apr 2016

That would be the neo-liberal/ neo-conservative Democrats currently supporting Clinton's platform.

brush

(53,778 posts)
10. Why do naderites alway comeback with this?
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:45 PM
Apr 2016

You may as well ask how many repugs voted for Gore?

Nader screw the country with his huge ego and self-serving proclamation that there was no difference between dems and repugs.

Well, two wars, tens of thousands killed, a busted economy and a housing crash courtesy of the repugs, is quite a difference.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
16. Because ignorant people are still blaming Nader.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:55 PM
Apr 2016

You can do the research, rather than make shit up. Nader drew about equally from both parties. About 1 % of Democrats voted for Nader. About 13% of Democrats voted for Bush. Those are the facts. Blaming Nader is just a smokescreen.
PS, I voted for Gore.

 

Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)
9. It's always someone else's fault.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:44 PM
Apr 2016

Nader then, Sanders now. Maybe you should look at WHY people were and are so keen to vote for someone else? No, instead you want to blame them for voting in line with their principles.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
11. I really didn't intend this to be about Sanders.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:46 PM
Apr 2016

Sanders will endorse Hillary if she wins the nomination, and vice versa, so there is no Nader analogy there.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
19. Yes, I did that...in response to endless threads bashing the left over 2000.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 02:06 PM
Apr 2016

If those thread were not still being posted, I wouldn't have posted.

Nader's campaign did damage, but it's not as simple as saying Nader was wrong and that's all there is to it.

The way the Democratic party handled the left in those years was equally to blame.

And the way forward is to not repeat the mistakes on either side in that year.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
12. Has nothing to do with the current situation.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:52 PM
Apr 2016

Nobody is comparable to Nader this year.

There's no good reason to even keep talking about Nader. You can't just keep bringing it up until ever Nader supporter recants, for God's sakes.

Gore lost largely because he didn't campaign aggressively against Bush's agenda, and because he didn't have an effective GOTV operation in his home state.

Please stop dredging up 2000. It does nothing but harm when you do.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
21. She won't take all that many votes.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 02:12 PM
Apr 2016

But you can't expect the Greens to stop running until the GOP stops nominating psychopaths.

The response our party should make to that is to take the kind of stands in the fall that will hold Stein's vote count down.

It's possible for us to run that kind of campaign no matter who we nominate.

We just need to break some of our bad old habits...such our obsession with appealing at all costs to a "center" that doesn't actually exist(when you look at the views of people who call themselves "centrists" in most polls, they actually tend to support clearly left-of-center policies on the issues...they self-identify as "centrist" (or even, in some cases "conservative&quot not out of actual ideological conviction but because they use those words as euphmisms for "common sense" or "practical".

Orrex

(63,213 posts)
13. It was more important for Nader to sell his brand
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:53 PM
Apr 2016

Then as now.


Neither of the current our primary candidates is cut from that cloth, so I suspect that we'll see a classier result this time around regardless of which one is on the ticket.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
17. Now imagine if you will this guy *not* on the stage with Al Gore
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:57 PM
Apr 2016

I'm guessing Al picked Droopy Dog so he would look more charismatic with Joementum there for contrast, If any American politician can be said to have negative charisma it's Joebituary, he makes Cruz look almost non creepy.

GeorgeGist

(25,321 posts)
23. Better still, Ralph Nader would have been irrelevant ...
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 02:30 PM
Apr 2016

if Al Gore had won his home state of Tennessee.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Imagine if Ralph Nader ha...