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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsImagine if Ralph Nader had appeared on stage with Al Gore a few days before the 2000 election,
shaken hands with him, acknowledged their differences of opinion, congratulated him on his campaign, and urged his supporters to vote for Gore in order to keep Bush out of office. No Bush victory; no Iraq war; no Guantanamo; quite possibly, no 9/11.
Had he done that, I would still respect the guy to this day.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)KPN
(15,646 posts)Who knows. Maybe it will happen. Maybe Bernie will do that. And maybe Hillary will.
We shall see -- maybe even before November, but I doubt before the convention.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)will endorse, and campaign for, the one that wins it.
KPN
(15,646 posts)Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)We all might had been able to get behind her to a point. She's still a liar, but we could have worked with that.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)scscholar
(2,902 posts)to further his own brand.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)That would be the neo-liberal/ neo-conservative Democrats currently supporting Clinton's platform.
brush
(53,778 posts)You may as well ask how many repugs voted for Gore?
Nader screw the country with his huge ego and self-serving proclamation that there was no difference between dems and repugs.
Well, two wars, tens of thousands killed, a busted economy and a housing crash courtesy of the repugs, is quite a difference.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)You can do the research, rather than make shit up. Nader drew about equally from both parties. About 1 % of Democrats voted for Nader. About 13% of Democrats voted for Bush. Those are the facts. Blaming Nader is just a smokescreen.
PS, I voted for Gore.
brush
(53,778 posts)Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)Nader then, Sanders now. Maybe you should look at WHY people were and are so keen to vote for someone else? No, instead you want to blame them for voting in line with their principles.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Sanders will endorse Hillary if she wins the nomination, and vice versa, so there is no Nader analogy there.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)2000 was a bad year, but we're past that now.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)This one, for example:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511292880
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)If those thread were not still being posted, I wouldn't have posted.
Nader's campaign did damage, but it's not as simple as saying Nader was wrong and that's all there is to it.
The way the Democratic party handled the left in those years was equally to blame.
And the way forward is to not repeat the mistakes on either side in that year.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Nobody is comparable to Nader this year.
There's no good reason to even keep talking about Nader. You can't just keep bringing it up until ever Nader supporter recants, for God's sakes.
Gore lost largely because he didn't campaign aggressively against Bush's agenda, and because he didn't have an effective GOTV operation in his home state.
Please stop dredging up 2000. It does nothing but harm when you do.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Hopefully she won't contribute to electing Trump or Cruz as president.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)But you can't expect the Greens to stop running until the GOP stops nominating psychopaths.
The response our party should make to that is to take the kind of stands in the fall that will hold Stein's vote count down.
It's possible for us to run that kind of campaign no matter who we nominate.
We just need to break some of our bad old habits...such our obsession with appealing at all costs to a "center" that doesn't actually exist(when you look at the views of people who call themselves "centrists" in most polls, they actually tend to support clearly left-of-center policies on the issues...they self-identify as "centrist" (or even, in some cases "conservative" not out of actual ideological conviction but because they use those words as euphmisms for "common sense" or "practical".
Orrex
(63,213 posts)Then as now.
Neither of the current our primary candidates is cut from that cloth, so I suspect that we'll see a classier result this time around regardless of which one is on the ticket.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)I'm guessing Al picked Droopy Dog so he would look more charismatic with Joementum there for contrast, If any American politician can be said to have negative charisma it's Joebituary, he makes Cruz look almost non creepy.
Vinca
(50,273 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)if Al Gore had won his home state of Tennessee.