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Turborama

(22,109 posts)
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:57 AM Apr 2016

Electric Vehicles Could Completely Replace Gas-Powered Cars by 2025 or Sooner

Electric vehicles might kill fossil fuel-powered models far sooner than the industry — or anyone, for that matter — could have imagined. Gas-powered cars, according to several predictions, will be entirely replaced by electric vehicles as soon as 2025.

Elon Musk’s Tesla Motors and its major rivals are now producing electric vehicles (EVs) with improved battery technology — at prices comparable to combustion-engine predecessors, and at the fastest pace yet — in a desperate attempt to match consumer demand.

Stanford University’s Tony Seba has posited that coal, oil, and gas production and usage will be all but obsolete by 2030. He has written a book, Clean Disruption of Energy and Transportation, which touts technological advancement and its plunging costs as the means to solve fossil fuel dependence.

“The key to the disruption of energy lies in the exponential cost and performance improvement of technologies that convert, manage, store, and share clean energy,” Seba writes. Once technologies attain a certain level of improvement, as in the case of mobile and smartphones, affordability follows quickly and the market grows exponentially — leaving old technology virtually obsolete. Seba sees this happening with renewable, sustainable energy replacing fossil fuel-derived energy.

Much more: http://theantimedia.org/electric-vehicles-replace-gas-powered/

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Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
7. I wasn't talking about energy consumption, I'm talking about charging cars.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 09:45 AM
Apr 2016

If your commute to work (or any other destination) is more than half the range of your car, you will need a charging station at your destination.

If you want to travel long distance, are you willing to stop every few hours, find a charging station, and charge your car for 2-3 hours?

These are the kinds of problems one doesn't consider until you actually own an electric car...

tkmorris

(11,138 posts)
11. You overstate the issues
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 10:23 AM
Apr 2016

Tesla makes a car right now that can be charged to 80% of capacity in under 30 minutes. I could leave South Florida (where I live) and drive all the way to the Washington DC area (where I am from and family lives), which is the road trip I take on most often, and not be slowed down at all really. Simply schedule the charging stops to coincide with bathroom breaks and stops for something to eat and my trip would take approximately the same time it does in my gas fueled vehicle.

That Tesla does require purpose constructed charging stations to achieve that performance, but they already exist in sufficient numbers to use them exclusively all along the route described above. A quick look at the map assures me that most any trip can be undertaken and routed through these Supercharger stations.

That tech exists RIGHT NOW. It will only get better in terms of performance, and those high level charging stations more ubiquitous, with each passing year. The technical down sides to owning an electric car are disappearing rapidly, to the point that for many (most?) of us they don't exist any longer. Once adaptation hits the tipping point that allows prices to be more competitive, which they almost are already, few people will find it making sense to buy a gasoline vehicle versus an electric one.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
16. You dismiss some of the issues as if they are not important or available everywhere.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:08 AM
Apr 2016

I agree with what you're saying (and curious about the Tesla battery), but just about every plugin operates as I've described. My work has thousands of employees and one charging station. ("We are planning more...&quot Most cars have a range of 100ish miles and a 2-3 hour charge time.

What you describe is awesome but not the norm.

 

MindPilot

(12,693 posts)
13. My workplace already has installed charging stations for employees.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 10:52 AM
Apr 2016

As have many of the shopping centers and big box stores for customers. Even my favorite Indian casino has charging stations.

My commute is about 30 miles each way and I very rarely go more than than that. The vast majority of my trips are more like 10 miles.

If i need to take a long trip, I can rent a gas car. I suspect there are many people in my situation for whom an electric car would be perfect.

Right now i have a hybrid, but since i am a homeowner, I need something truck-like. As soon as Tesla offers an SUV or small pickup in the $30k range, I'm in!

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
4. And then replaced by bicycles when we find it's still too much energy
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 09:22 AM
Apr 2016

when we wrap 2000 pounds on to move our body from one place to another.

"We need deep and immediate reductions in energy demand"- top climate scientist telling us we can't strap on a ton and still save the planet from the impending disaster which has already begun.


HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
8. I live in Ohio.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 09:53 AM
Apr 2016

For seven months out of the year, a bicycle is not feasible. Only the hardcore insane people with expensive bikes and cold gear ride in 20-35 degree weather in icy terrain and sub-Arctic gales.

Even in Spring/Summer, it's still too cold to ride some mornings.

 

MindPilot

(12,693 posts)
15. That trip back from Costco...
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 10:57 AM
Apr 2016

I'll just put this case of olive oil and 25 rolls of toilet paper in my backpack.

Bicycle advocates always mange to ignore that fact that most people need to transport more than just themselves.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
14. I'd really like an EV . . . but I just cannot afford a $500+/mo. car payment.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 10:56 AM
Apr 2016

That's too much to ask for a car that's pretty much going to be used on strictly localized driving for the first 10 years. Their longevity is also a gray area. How much will the batteries cost to replace?

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