To hell with blaming Barack Obama for Wisconsin.

[Bolo Boffin]

Yes, I'll go there. It's a very disappointing loss, but looking for a scapegoat to satisfy our bitterness is counter-productive, if not to mention in this case, totally wrong.

"The fault lies not in our stars, but in ourselves."

Shake it off and get back in the fight. Organize, organize, organize.

[TheWraith]

1. Kicked and recommended.

We can't just sit on our asses and expect others to do the hard stuff for us, even the President. Sharpen the knives and let's get to work.

[JDPriestly]

18. Ridiculous.

Obama came in with a huge majority of the voters and a Democratic Congress behind him. He focused on a corporate-sponsored health insurance reform plan that will benefit only a small minority of voters until 2014 -- if the Republicans don't kill it before that.

Had he focused immediately on the economy -- had he fought unemployment with a huge infusion of government money into jobs programs right away. Had he come down hard on the bankers and ended the derivatives excesses, Democrats would be easily elected not only in Wisconsin but across the nation.

Obama has a few months to get a new team and correct his course. That's all he has.

I like him and wish him well. But a president who acts like Hoover and governs like Hoover -- trying to satisfy the 1% without losing the support of the 99% cannot succeed. Obama has to decide whose side he is on -- that of ordinary, laboring, struggling people or the cheats at the top.

The only thing that can defeat the money of the 1% is the trust of the American people in those who oppose the 1%. Obama has not earned that trust yet.

Sorry but the emperor has no clothes. I call it like I see it. You can go into denial if you want, but we have a lot of work to do between now and November, and we can't do it without Obama's leadership.

[TheWraith]

21. Thank you for your "concern."

Which is about all your stack of recycled and debunked complaints merits. But hey, if it's so easy I'm sure you'll go into politics, win a few elections on that platform, and then do it yourself.

[progress2k12nbynd]

59. Wow your kind of reply is what has lost us so many great DU'ers over the years...

I can't believe in 2012 we still have members replying with 'thanks for your "concern."

[SidDithers]

95. If a reply like that makes "great DUers" quit...

Then they were never really that great.

Sid

[treestar]

98. +1000

Like we really need "supporters" who are that weak.

[Scootaloo]

120. "Great DUer" seems to be slang for "People who hate Obama at all turns"

[rhett o rick]

109. I am surprised you're surprised. The DU Neighborhood Watch is just trying to keep the riff-raft out.

[bahrbearian]

111. Right on

[momrois]

117. Not this Du-er

I've been a member for a number of years. I don't post often, but I do read. I believe I'm probably typical of the majority of DU members in that if I choose to leave, it will be precisely because of the sort of childish back and forth exhibited in this thread.

[Bolo Boffin]

30. "only benefit a small minority of voters until 2014" - Bullshit.

If you want to believe that, go right ahead. But the ACA is affecting lots of people right now. Have you missed all the Catholic Church idiocy over basic reproductive coverage for women? Did the elimination of pre-existing conditions pass you by? Keeping children up to age 26 on your policy? Any of this ringing a bell?

Go sell cynicism some place else, Priestly.

[Plucketeer]

38. TWO words............

"comfortable shoes" tell me WHY it's unresonable to recall those.

[Bolo Boffin]

45. How clever of you. Doesn't change the fact that Priestly's spreading BS. n/t

[Dragonfli]

124. His dog ate his comfortable shoes, some dogs just wish unions would go away, can't blame Obama

[JDPriestly]

57. Children under college age were usually on the policy.

Only a small percentage of people have children in college but younger than 26.

People with pre-existing conditions who were covered by employer policies were always covered. The number of people who buy their policies independently, have pre-existing conditions AND lived in a state that didn't already require coverage in spite of pre-existing conditions, is not that great. (California has required coverage for people with pre-existing conditions for some years now. The insurance companies can charge extra for the pre-existing conditions up to a certain point.)

Obama's health care insurance reform really hasn't benefited people that much yet.

[markpkessinger]

58. Great that California has required coverage for pre-existing conditions, BUT...

... That is only one of 50 states. As a recently diagnosed diabetic, the pre-existing conditions aspect of the ACA is of HUGE importance!

[JDPriestly]

60. Then you must have had to buy your insurance independently.

Usually, the employer plans just cover all employees and generally their families too -- for a price.

[markpkessinger]

131. I am covered under my employer ...

... But if I should lose my job , or at some point have to take a job with an employer that doesn't offer coverage, then the issue of pre-existing conditions is a BIG DEAL. And I have no way of knowing what will happen down the line employment-wise.

[JDPriestly]

132. You are right, but the number of people who buy insurance for themselves

and neither do without it nor obtain coverage through their employer is too small to mean significant understanding about what the health care insurance reform means.

[markpkessinger]

134. Easy to say when you are not among those potentially affected n/t

[deutsey]

86. +1

[Octafish]

113. +2

The Democrats would have the nation SOLIDLY behind them had President Obama launched the New New Deal he either promised or intimated.

[quakerboy]

122. The knives are sharp

Or at least most of them. I'm just not always sure which of us are pointing them at whom. But I am fairly sure they are not all pointing the same way.

Or to put it more clearly, I am fairly certain that being the opponent of the Democratic party in campaign mode is kinda like having a ninja attack you with a kitten.

[Poll_Blind]

2. Just hoped for a little more than a Tweet about it, the night before.

You know?

PB

[progressoid]

15. You misunderestimate the power of the Tweet.

I agree, a little more than a tweet would have been nice.

[Jamaal510]

19. He has a country and his own campaign to run, though.

[Dr Fate]

32. And a freedom war too.

A glorious, just freedom war.

so long as he is occupied with the important stuff.

[Son of Gob]

71. What have you been occupied with?

Your anti-Obama/Democrat schtick was absent for months before today. Showed up right on time to rub some salt in wounds. There is a five letter word for that.

[Dr Fate]

73. Centrism.

If arguments supporting centrism makes one anti Democratic in your mind, then that is your opinion.

[Son of Gob]

76. You spelled Ratfucking wrong.

[Dr Fate]

77. Starts with a C, ends with a M.

Nope, I got it right.

[Son of Gob]

79. Starts with a T, ends with a L.

It's why you're here.

[Dr Fate]

80. You will not fool me into blaming DEM party leadership for DEM party failures!

Nice try.

Signed, Dr. Fate

DU Member since 2002 and proud Centrist.

[Son of Gob]

81. Where did you get your Ph.D in RF?

Bob Jones or Liberty?

[Dr Fate]

82. You are just mad that centrism is working. Nt

Nt

[SidDithers]

97. ...

Sid

[OnyxCollie]

129. Those Predator drones aren't gonna assassinate anyone on their own!

There's work to be done!

Nice to see you again, Dr Fate. It's been a while, and I've missed you.

I see you got yourself a pet.

[treestar]

100. Admit nothing would have been enough

Obama could have taken up residence in Wisconsin and you'd still think of something else he could have done.

[DearAbby]

3. Ahhhhhhh a voice of reason.

[notadmblnd]

4. Do you really think Democrats are the ones trying to place blame?

this place is crawling with trolls. This is SOP for the GOP. Blame Obama no matter what.

[TBF]

5. +1 nt

[SunsetDreams]

8. +1

[blue neen]

9. +1

Yep.

[Bolo Boffin]

20. I'm sure both disappointed Democrats and GOP trolls

are doing this. Trolls will shake out in the end.

[Dr Fate]

27. Certainly not the 100 percent pro Union Centrists, who are not in power anyway.

It's either the anti centrist liberals or the anti union trolls who are causing all the problems round here. certainly not centrists.

[SidDithers]

33. Weak sauce...

the "pretend centrist" routine is old and tired.

Sid

[Dr Fate]

37. so long as we agree that we should get behind centrists...

...pretend ones or otherwise.

No weak sauce here- just a WINNING RECIPE, baby.

[SidDithers]

41. Sad, tired schtick...

You need new material.

Sid

[Dr Fate]

42. In other words, you KNOW that Obama does fight hard for Unions.

as do all centrists.

[Son of Gob]

72. It's all he has

He's been gone for months, but pops in today to rub salt in the wound and try to divide actual Democrats. He's the definition of a disruptor.

[Dr Fate]

74. I want DEMS to unite behind centrists.

Just like we all do, or should.

[SidDithers]

91. Nailed it...nt

Sid

[SunsetDreams]

43. They have recipes

for Cow Pie?

[Itchinjim]

83. +1

[treestar]

93. +1

[Snarkoleptic]

6. Agreed!

The massive Walker/Koch propaganda machine ensnared many who aren't well informed.

[Dr Fate]

28. And the Kochs DID NOT use their tax cut extensions to fund it.

centrists are not THAT stupid.

[SidDithers]

7. DU rec...nt

Sid

[Fire Walk With Me]

10. Denial is a comforting brew.

Sorry, did Obama do a single thing? A single thing to help? That's what groups gathered together do. That's his responsibility to the group.

But I do certainly agree: Organize, Organize, Organize. Strategize. Use direct action. Interfere. Take back the country.

[freshwest]

121. 100 OFA staffers paid to work in GOTV in WI is nothing?

Sorry, but I have to disagree on that one.

And the battle was going to be uphill all the way, with Walker never leaving campaign mode since he got into office.

Starting from the Democratic Party fence sitters in 2010 who allowed the GOP and Kochs to put Walker and his Tea Party majority in, and then a hastily made campaign that was only 2 months in length after the petition to recall drive finished.

With a candidate unions were against before he volunteered to run. There was a lot more going on in Wisconsin than most of us know, different demographics and political undercurrents than any of us will ever know.

Not Obama's fault.

[Fire Walk With Me]

123. I'm referring to the potential power Obama has to influence outcome,

in exactly the manner accomplished when he made a simple statement supporting LGBTQ rights. It wouldn't have taken much to tip this in our favor, so I question the lack of such support

I honor EVERYONE who worked their asses off against Walker. None of it was wasted, the war is not over. These Wisconsinites are my heroes.

[freshwest]

125. He made a statement supporting them last year. But it's pointless to argue. Minds are made up.

[Fire Walk With Me]

128. I don't remember him doing that, thanks for telling me. It's better than nothing.

But...timing is everything. Throw us a crumb, etc...

[freshwest]

130. Not a crumb. And voter turnout wasn't what it should have been. I'm really tired of getting abused

On this subject today, as I said, minds are made up just like they were in WI many months ago. Whether it was Koch $$$ that helped make up those minds, it's done and nothing is going to change the minds of those for whom Obama is not worthy of their vote in November.

N/T

[Dr Fate]

11. Centrism will march on, grim faced, determined.

Nt

[MNBrewer]

12. TO hell with fucking chearleaders!

[dionysus]

44. ...maybe someday you'll get your revenge, person who can't even spell "cheerleader"...

[SidDithers]

105. Misspelled sputtering outrage is the best sputtering outrage...nt

Sid

[dionysus]

107. .

[bahrbearian]

112. +1

But they look so cute with their pom poms

[JDPriestly]

13. This was a referendum not just on Walker but also on Obama's economic policies.

Sorry, but in addition to the fact that Obama did not support the public employees and other workers in Wisconsin, the economy is in the tank. It isn't fair, but Obama has to bear the blame for that.

This means Obama is going to have to pull rabbits out of his hat between now and November.

The right-wing money machine is tough to beat.

[Major Nikon]

14. Walker outspent Barrett 8 to 1

http://motherjones.tumblr.com/post/24470745240/chart-of-the-day-if-scott-walker-wins-his-recall

17% of Obama supporters voted for Walker.

Anyone who wants to blame Obama for this really needs to look a bit farther.

[Dr Fate]

46. it's silly to blame party failures on the party leadership.

Also, it cannot be said that our party leadership did not fight very hard to combat the monied interests, etc.

[treestar]

101. A party has to continue to exist and fight

Not step back and leave it all to the "leaders." That's the authoritarian mindset.

[lunatica]

16. yeah. Let's not blame the Koch brothers, Scott Walker, or the Supreme Court.

Let's blame Obama. That's the ticket!

[Dr Fate]

23. Obama fights the Koch brothers all the time.

he even tried real hard not to extend their tax cuts and stuff- but all the liberals did was complain and stay home.

[SidDithers]

50. Weak sauce...nt

Sid

[Dr Fate]

52. I don't blame DEM party failures on DEM party leadership.

Non centrists can do whateves.

[citizen blues]

17. Fuck that "shake it off" bullshit.

There's still a lot of votes to be counted. And there had better be a reality check on that Red Shift.

[WestWisconsinDem]

22. blame the dumbass citizens of this formerly great state

"Yes, please fuck us over some more Mr. Walker! It was so nice the first time!

Lifelong (minus one year) Wisconsinite ashamed to be from this hole.

[Dr Fate]

24. sounds like a great campaign strategy for November too.

Blaming citizens instead of leadership always wins points.

[WestWisconsinDem]

26. you know what?

It's the dumbass citizens of this state who voted for the tool, not the president. Forgive me if I sound bitter but I just watched my neighbors vote for a man who would love nothing more than to close down my daughters' public school and fire my ass for signing a recall petition.

[Dr Fate]

29. Exactly. This is a LOCAL issue- has nothing to do with the leader of the party.

besides- it would have been a bad thing if Obama had to pretend to support Unions- now he can rightfully blame them for the shellacking and be more centrist.

[RufusTFirefly]

25. Blaming Obama for Wisconsin is like blaming the San Diego Chicken for a Padres loss n/t

[Dr Fate]

31. Or like saying the Bush tax cut extensions freed up funds for the Kochs.

Which Obama and centrists tried to OPPOSE, by the way.

[stuart68]

88. Obama tried to oppose the Bush tax cuts ? You're joking, right ?

[stuart68]

35. San Diego Chicken - interesting analogy for Obama !

He blew this off, because he calculated it was the right thing for him to do, and the results are in. Just suck it up and get back out there to support him in Nov.

Do you think WJ Clinton would have avoided WI or taken it to them ?

weak.

[Dr Fate]

47. Stop blaming DEM party failures on DEM party leadership. NO FAIR.

nt

[RufusTFirefly]

53. You're missing the point

Our elected officials have as much of an independent influence on the outcome of the "game" as the San Diego Chicken has on the outcome of a Padres game. The actual "players" aren't elected and the only way elected officials stay in power is by being careful not to run afoul of them.

Any sense that those elected officials (or we, supposedly their bosses, after all) are in control is merely for show.

From time to time they put on a good show, as when the San Diego Chicken decks the Philly Phanatic, and we derive some pleasure and even a sense of deluded empowerment from this. But it's only a show. It has nothing to do with the actual game.

I bet you feel special when you use your club card and save a buck.

As George Carlin presciently said, "It's a big club, and you ain't in it."

[Dr Fate]

54. Exactly.The party leadership is a man in a feathered suit.

I'm not missing the point at all- the party leadership does not have the responsibility of a leader or a coach-they are more like mascots in cartoon suits.

I do too understand centrism.

[Dragonfli]

126. All obedient Democrats prefer a feathered centrist mascot to a team leader, the mascot has spirit!!

All a anachronistic "leader" has is vision strength and integrity, (idiots like FDR or LBJ), they didn't sell enough tickets to the pacs, so like many outdated items they are irrelevant to our current Favorite sport (and one time government).

Finaly someone that understands the modern political franchise.

[stuart68]

87. You're really working that chicken metaphor

Run afoul or a fowel ?

So, why does Obama campaign anywhere at anytime ? Why spew all the carbon ? Why not take all those donations and do some good (a $B is a lot of chicken scratch).

He is just like the chicken in that he was too chicken to get in the trench in WI, because it didn't help him personally. WI drones will show up for him in NOv anyway, why mess up is manicure by getting his hands dirty ?

[stuart68]

85. Radical, huh :)

[dionysus]

34. let the little BBI Jrs do as they please, tonight is Christmas for them.

[SidDithers]

36. Sickening, isn't it...

Sid

[GoCubsGo]

40. There's always "Trash This Thread".

And, may I once again express my gratitude to the admins for providing this service.

[joshcryer]

69. Yep, toxic little buggers.

[goclark]

39. K and R

It's not about Obama IMO.

It is about Suppression .

Until we stop the Robo Calls and dirty tricks --- we are sticking our heads in the sand.

[ilikeitthatway]

48. It's obvious that this was going to be a very hard election, one that need Obama's support

n/t

[Dr Fate]

49. it's not fair to blame DEM party failures on DEM party leaders.

Nt

[ManyShadesOf]

51. .

organize your junk drawer.

[Peregrine Took]

55. Lol. We love our Barack and always will.

Forever and ever .

[RufusTFirefly]

56. And aren't his wife and daughters adorable?!! n/t

[SammyWinstonJack]

84. heh

[PatrynXX]

61. thankfully he didn't show up

otherwise we wouldn't have a talking point against the koch suckers

albeit scott better not be caught at any Packer games...

[AynRandCollectedSS]

62. Obama is rightly keeping his eye on the BIG prize...

He distanced himself from Wisconsin because it would have seriously alienated some of the electorate that were against the recall. Good thing he did because polls show Obama still leads there by a decent margin. He knows we might lose some battles, but is in it to win the war.

As pissed as I am that Walker won, I think Obama did the right thing by not getting involved and risking his chances in Nov.

[Dr Fate]

63. It's the job of the DEM leadership to count votes, not fight for them.

This is just like when the far left blamed Obama and the party leadership for not fighting for the PO- Obama counted the votes ahead of time and knew it was not going to happen, so instead, he kept his eyes on the prize.

The results? Many major DEM wins and victories, and many, many more ahead.

In sum, whatever it is that Obama does or does not do, it is probably the Right thing.

[SidDithers]

99. Weak sauce...nt

Sid

[treestar]

102. Not only do I love your username

But your point is a very good one. It is not to be assumed that getting greatly involved was a good thing. That's a judgment call that the complainers are not thinking through very well. At bottom they assume Dems in states can win just because the President tells the state voters to vote his way.

[DonCoquixote]

64. Obama was not supposed to do our job for us

If you needed Obama to convince you not to vote for Scott Walker after he wrecked your state, you have a bigger problem than any face time with him could fix. I do not need Obama to tell me that eating glass is a bad thing, no matter how much the Koch Brothers pay me to eat some.

[Dr Fate]

67. DEM party failures have nothing to do with DEM party leadership.

And just because centrist DEMS gave the Kochs billions in tax cut extensions does not mean they funded them- the Kochs promised to create jobs with that.

How were we suppose to know they were lying, for instance?

Point is, DEM centrism and general Democratic leadership strategy has NOTHING to do with our party failures, assuming we even have them.

[DonCoquixote]

89. was that supposed to be snark?

I will agree that we need a leftward turn, all the same, if Obama came to Wisconsin, would you be quieting the bandwagon that would be saying it was his fault for coming? I doubt it. The whole state was set up to be "Obama's fault."

[AllyCat]

65. Why should he get involved in a local fight? I don't blame him one bit for not coming here.

We lost this because of cheating, money, and a whole bunch of people that think it is a-okay to make people pay more for services and get paid less to do it. They like sick kids. They hate minorities and gays. They have been told "unions is bad" while they enjoy their weekends. Not sure what has happened to my wonderful state. But it AIN'T OBAMA'S fault!!

[Dr Fate]

68. Exactly. Why should the party leaders support these obscure elections?

THIS is a LOCAL ISSUE, FOLKS.

And as far as the cheating you mentioned goes- I hope Obama's DOJ does not get involved in that either. He needs to stay out of these local issues that have no effect on the rest of the system.

[AllyCat]

90. What is your point? Upstream you say you are a centrist

and don't want the Dem party involved in any blaming. Here, you sound sarcastic. Of course they should be watching vote counting. If people's votes are being stolen ANYWHERE in the U.S. they should be investigating it. That isn't centrist or fringe. That is the law. However, I don't see why Obama should show up in our state going one way or another. He wasn't here for the protests all last winter either.

[SidDithers]

103. He's not a centrist...

It's a worn out, tired old act he's been using for years as a way to attack Obama and his supporters.

He's been dormant for months but chose last night to revive his act to rub salt in the wounds of the Barrett loss.

It's weak fucking sauce.

Sid

[AllyCat]

108. Thanks. I was unaware of his history.

Not T/S'd yet? Oh well, the ignore button where is that....ah, there it is

[flamingdem]

66. We need to unite and stay on message

Get Obama elected, and not attack one another.

We don't have their money, we can't indulge in circular firing squads anymore

[krawhitham]

70. You want a scapegoat, 36% of union members voted for Walker

[Dr Fate]

75. We should get rid of them, not the party strategists at the top.

Those guys are obviously doing a heck of a job, maintaining their traditional base.

True- we can't blame DEM leadership for losing so many union votes- it was bound to happen. Who needs 'em anyway.

[Mr Dixon]

106. AGREED

[Major Nikon]

114. This is close to the ratio of Republican union membership

So it doesn't surprise me much. Lot's of people vote against their own best interests, including union members.

[AtomicKitten]

133. exactly right

and I wish somebody could 'splain to me how that could happen

36%

[ananda]

78. Well..

.. if Howard Dean and the DNC had been in charge over the last four years, I think
we'd be seeing a whole different picture.

For that I blame ObamaRahma.

[treestar]

92. K&R

Some people are just so obsessed with the Presidency.

If only Obama would come to my district! Then they'd put a Democrat in for my State House seat!!!! His magic would do it. Last time, the Democrats did not even field a candidate. This district is that Republican! But if Obama came by and spoke at the local high school, it would all be different! Drat that Obama! He is at fault that I always have a Republican representing me in the state house!

Really it's close to that ridiculous. Unusual elections like this one are state affairs. People might resent the national level getting involved, in fact they would.

[Mr Dixon]

94. AGREED

[Honeycombe8]

96. Obama is separate from WI state politics. Obama is leading above Romney there.

Obama has nothing to do with the recall, and he has no business injecting himself into a state government's matters, like a recall. He endorsed Barrett, which is the most he could do. Just like Bush didn't get involved in the CA Davis recall.

NO ONE would have paid any attention to what Obama wanted as far as WI governorship. Everyone knows he's a Democrat and wanted Barrett to win, andWalker to be recalled. It made NO DIFFERENCE.

The people of Wisconsin voted for what they wanted. Apparently what they wanted is Walker.

[Jafo232]

104. There is nobody to blame but the party

There is no one person to blame. The fact is, most of America is not liberal. They may vote for Democrats, but MOST of the country does not vote for liberal Democrats. The party has seemed to forget this and let the ultra-left wing run rampant.

This election is the proof of what I am saying. If you are honest and do the math, there is really no way Walker could win by such a margin unless he won the votes of some DEMOCRATS.

I think it is time for some soul searching or results like this will become commonplace. Get rid of the freaks in the party, you know, these strung out anarchists occupy types that have lately become the poster children of the party. If you want the votes of the majority, you can't cater to the fringe.

P.S. I am not a Republican and I am no Democrat, I just miss the average Joe that both parties used to represent..

[CrispyQ]

110. The blame lies in a system that is corrupt & compromised to the core.

The people who can change the status quo, benefit from the status quo. And too many Americans won't wake up until they are penniless. I don't know why, but it seems that too many people lack empathy & therefore cannot see the bad in something until it happens to them.

[SidDithers]

115. Kick...

Sid

[Cali_Democrat]

116. What's done is done and it's time to focus on the GE.

Could Obama have helped Barrett beat Walker if he went to Wisconsin? I think so, but I could be wrong. Nobody knows for sure. Would it have been risky? Absolutely. Did Obama do the right thing by staying away from Wisconsin. Maybe...maybe not. Nobody knows for sure.

What we do know is that it's over and citizens united has proven to be a Republican wet dream. That's the only thing we can conclude from last night. The GOP has endless piles of cash. They are intent on buying government at the federal and state levels.

[stupidicus]

118. Odd, I see no widespread blame for BHO's ownership of the loss

outta dems, and you haven't provided any examples of it.

All I've largely seen is disappointment over less participation in the race on his part than some would have desired, which could and perhaps would result in some measure of responsibility to him for the loss by them -- a minority no doubt -- but hardly the lion's share as your hollow declaration suggests.

Perhaps maybe the distinction is too subtle for you, or in the more likely alternative, you can't make the case that more of an effort on his part wouldn't have had an impact. Both camps are on equal footing here, since we'll never know.

Whether it would have been enough or not isn't the issue, but rather whether more involvement on his part would have had any.

And of course the suggestion that people "organize" is a no-brainer, since without concerted help from the leadership in DC this indicates, what other options are there besides resignation to defeat.

SO what we're left with, is some calling his efforts "token" in nature and effect, and others incapable of refuting that given the reasonable nature of it, exaggerating what they are saying in an effort to admonish them for it, because essentially it appears, BHO can do no wrong -- the implication on your part in this case for sure.

The biggest reasons for the loss based on the known facts is kochsucker money and the unpalatibility of the recall election period to too many.

So by all means, give us a top post declaring those that blame or took offense to Obama's token efforts are ignorant of those "facts".

If they aren't, then their complaints are more if not exclusively about his token efforts, not "blame" like he coulda overcome the what, 60% hurdle that thought the recall outta line from the onset?

"Tis far, far better...." is what they're complaining about, and his lack of it.

and no, that this is all the product of his political calculus doesn't matter either, since we don't know it was correct either.

For example, what happened in the black community after he evolved? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/keith-boykin/black-community-gay-marriage_b_1567781.html Perhaps maybe another "evolution" on his part would have benefitted the WI "revolution" in ways only actually doing so coulda shown, no?

[deaniac21]

119. Hey! There was a tweet!

[pansypoo53219]

127. it would have been BAD for obama to have supported it more.

ignore the fact that walker is a sleeze ball. the voters still didn't think he deserved being recalled.