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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsOK, I'll say it. I blame Russ Feingold. I blame Barack Obama.
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At a time when his state REALLY needed him, Russ Feingold chose to sit on the sideline. We really needed a popular politician like Feingold, someone with star power, to defeat our fascist governor with a huge war chest behind him. I think that Feingold was probably the only Democrat with the popularity and name recognition that was needed to beat Wanker. When you're fighting the billionaires, that's what's needed. I'm sure that Feingold had his reasons for not running in the recall, but we needed him to come in and break the momentum that Wanker has built in tearing down Wisconsin. He should have sacrificed himself for the good of the state, even if just for a few years. I'm terrified at what the repubs and going to do to our once great state now that they know they've survived the recall.
And where was President Obama? I know that question was asked a lot, and a lot of people on this board thought he should have stayed out of the state. I was not one of them. I feel betrayed that the President essentially ignored us. I've met Tom Barrett. He's a good man and would have made a good governor, but he's not the most dynamic man in the world. He could have used Obama's charisma to generate excitement. Was Obama just afraid of getting tainted by a possible loss? A self-fulfilling prophecy.
I'm sorry, but I'm feeling kind of upset right now. But I feel that people who could have helped to lead Wisconsin forward chose not to.
Peregrine Took
(7,415 posts)Before they jump in and try to flame you.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)The Ed schultzes would have blamed him for making this about him...
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)nanabugg
(2,198 posts)against Dems and ensure another victory in November if we are not careful. DON'T FALL FOR IT!! obama's internal polling let him know that he could not count on the majoritiy of WI voters in this recall...and he was smarter then most to allow the process to work without taking the hit for Nov. If Clinton could not help the cause...it couldn't be helped. WI now has the government that Citizens United bought...and they have to live with that.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)into these voters, then Obama surely couldn't.
calimary
(81,322 posts)It's Barack. Not Barak. That suggests things about the nature of the post, and the poster.
Indydem
(2,642 posts)Feingold got FEWER votes than Barrett in he same election.
What precisely makes you think he could have won?
It's easy to forget that sometimes not everybody feels the same as people here do about Russ Feingold.
EFerrari
(163,986 posts)HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)You have a problem with that? If so, why?
Mr.Turnip
(645 posts)I was just thinking about this recently. He was the ONLY one that polled way, way ahead of Walker. He knew that and still chose to stay out, knowing how serious this was to the people of the state. He said I have other plans.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)and I don't think his support of a fairly weak candidate would have overcome all that money.
I'm sorry about Wisconsin, but the national election is more important.
rfranklin
(13,200 posts)Rinse Penis just made that claim.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)bupkus
(1,981 posts)We have to stick together more than ever now. If the Republicans win in November we are all ROYALLY FUCKED. Look at what they've done from the minority. Just imagine what they'll do ruling from the majority. Because Democrats don't have the balls to play the obstructionist game the Republicans have been playing with President Obama for the past three years plus.
If the Republicans win the White House and Congress in November the next four years will make us all look back at Bush/Cheney longingly as the good old days.
EVERYONE should have done more. This should have been a turning point. If Walker wins this does NOT bode well for November.
liberal N proud
(60,336 posts)Make it a referendum on Obama, help the Rove and the media make it about Obama and not about the Koch Brothers who bought the election in the first place.
bupkus
(1,981 posts)And the one after that. And the one after that, etc.
undeterred
(34,658 posts)Jim Doyle's Lt. Governor Barbara Lawton - with 8 years experience - should have been the nominee in 2010 in the first place. If the Good Old Boys of our party hadn't shut her down maybe she would not have dropped out of the Governors race and she would have run against Walker and beat him -and we would never have had this situation to begin with.
She is dynamic and charismatic and she did want to run for governor.
standingtall
(2,785 posts)But so did national democrats. The big democratic names should've been in Wisconsin long before the weekend of the election. As long as certain democrats are too cowardly to stand up for fellow democrats they deserve to be bashed. Also it's annoying trying listen the spin on the election exit polling as good news for Obama. Doesn't make sense. Obama was not on the ballot today.Therefore no one actually cast a vote for Obama. In the exit polling Obama over Romney 53 to 42. And we are to believe that is accurate? Yet exit polling going into today showed a close race. So we are to believe that is inaccurate? As it looks like Walker is winning handily.
Canuckistanian
(42,290 posts)I never even HEARD his name during the campaign.
I don't care if he ran, but he could have at least come out for some rallies or fundraising efforts.
I don't know. The whole national Dem party response was WEAK, both in financial and morale support, if you ask me.
BTW, where is Wasserman-Schultz right now? Is she making a statement on the WI election at all?
undeterred
(34,658 posts)He has been a very visible part of the movement in Wisconsin throughout the past year. He is an integral part of the Democratic Party in Wisconsin. He headlined a fundraiser for Tom Barrett here in Madison just last Wednesday, and he was travelling around the state campaigning for him every day after that. He is still our MVP.
Canuckistanian
(42,290 posts)I didn't know.
But I'm still pissed at the DNC response.
undeterred
(34,658 posts)But that didn't surprise me. They care a lot more about who goes to Washington than state politics.
BlueDemKev
(3,003 posts)...no matter how much money your opponent has, no matter how many heavyweights didn't show up to bat for you, it ultimately comes down to who receives the most votes on election day.
The American people in general have succumbed to the hateful rhetoric of the tea party and are convinced that the government is out to take away your home, your car, and all your money. They vote for president without any thought whatsoever of how their vote will directly impact the composition of the Supreme Court. They want only government program that benefits them personally, but expects someone else to pay for it. They have callously conceded defeat to China in the economic wars. They give no thought to what would happen to them if they become sick and their health insurance coverage is rescinded. They givow they will be able to afford retirement without Medicare (and no private insurance company is going to insure the elderly because they are too high of a risk).
Our society has been engulfed in self-centeredness, immaturity, and short-sightedness.
I feel so bad for my two small children wondering what kind of a country they'll have to live in. God Help us all.
vaberella
(24,634 posts)Mr.Turnip
(645 posts)Because honestly that sounds more like the self indentified Libertarians I know than the conservatives I know.
dmallind
(10,437 posts)Blame the voters. They alone made the decision for whom to vote. If they let any action or inaction by national politicians sway them, they deserve Walker.
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)...engaging in a circular firing squad instead.
Niiice!
It's the system, stupid.
Our elections are financed by corporations and reported on by corporations. It's a claustrophobically closed system. Even people who believe that they are thinking independently are drawing their conclusions based on corporate-supplied information. Our discourse, our entire way of framing arguments and viewing the world, has been hijacked.
Do you honestly believe that anyone in Wisconsin other than a handful of masochists wants to be reamed by the Koch Bros? Of course they don't. And yet they vote for Walker anyhow.
Don't you get it?
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)mvd
(65,174 posts)Same with the DNC. Operating by fear doesn't get far.
undeterred
(34,658 posts)mvd
(65,174 posts)undeterred
(34,658 posts)Feingold is extremely generous when it comes to helping other Democrats get elected to office, especially in Wisconsin. Everyone wants him at their fundraiser. He is a tireless campaigner and gives a great deal to the party.
mvd
(65,174 posts)undeterred
(34,658 posts)but it does seem rather strange and kind of awkward that Obama has stayed so far away from whats been happening in Wisconsin.
Its almost like he belongs to some other party.
elleng
(130,974 posts)Money will buy anything.
annm4peace
(6,119 posts)1. Vast amount of Corp money to spew the propaganda in Ads and signs
2. Vast amount of Corp news on our public airwaves, cable and satelite TV to spew misinformation and spin
3. and continued election fraud which includes robo calls, and corrupt elections officials who still get to officiate.
Our Democracy is over
TBF
(32,067 posts)EFerrari
(163,986 posts)GarroHorus
(1,055 posts)There was no more stupid move than to put the candiate who lost against Walker in 2010 against him now. It was STUPID.
I blame the idiots in the WI Democratic Party who thought this was a good idea,
Mr.Turnip
(645 posts)I think she would have probably done worse.
sunnystarr
(2,638 posts)and you can buy it. The most money wins and thanks to Citizens United we are fucked. The average voter knows little to nothing about what's at stake or the issues. A sad day.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)Even if he did it as a stepping stone to run with someone like Elizabeth Warren for pres in 2016. He'd have the experience then to make a big pitch for it had he been governor for five years too then, and could have headed the ticket as well. Now, unless he gets married soon, I'm guessing at best he'll be in the VP slot then.
Not sure why he stayed on the sideline, but had he run a win by him could have made it easier for Warren and so many other progressives in the coming years too, in addition to helping build out his career as well.