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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCan we stop calling him "Drumpf"?
My understanding is that "Drumpf" was Trump's father's, or maybe grandfather's, name, and he changed it to make it sound more American. Drumpf was German.
When someone calls Trump "Drumpf," I guess they're trying to remind readers of Trump's immigrant, specifically German, ancestry. The implication seems to me to be "Look, he's German; he must be evil." I think DU is better than to think that way. In the last century, an evil man led Germany and brought out the evil in many -- too many -- of his countrymen. That is a stain on German history. But that does not make Germans evil generally, nor does it give anyone license to refer to them as such.
For the record -- I guess it's relevant here -- I'm Jewish, and I have close friends who are German. I simply don't think my friends are responsible for the Holocaust, so I see no reason not to have them as friends.
The Drumpf thing just sounds racist to me. Trump would be a nightmare of a president. That is not because his ethnicity is part German.
longship
(40,416 posts)He hates it. That's why I will never not call him DRUMPF!
John Oliver was correct!
And just which race does that name malign? Privileged, rich, white, spoiled ego maniacs?
I did not know that they were so disadvantaged in this country.
So the ridicule stands.
DRUMPF, DRUMPF, DRUMPF, DRUMPF!
freedom fighter jh
(1,782 posts)forest444
(5,902 posts)To imply that Trump's ancestry has anything to do with his rhetoric, would be a slap in the face of tens of million of good German-Americans who won't have anything to do with hate speech and whose immigrant forbears were attacked and discriminated in the same way the Irish, Italians, Polish, and Chinese were in the 19th century.
It would also be an insult - even if unintended - to the memory of Baron von Steuben, Chester Nimitz, Dwight Eisenhower, Neil Armstrong, John Jacob Astor, Bill Boeing, Henry Heinz, Walter Reuther, Kurt Vonnegut, and so many others who enriched our lives (not to mention the many prominent German Jews in U.S. history).
It's simply a matter of respect.
pansypoo53219
(20,986 posts)if i could figure out how to type umlauts.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)In WordPerfect, go to the Symbol set via Ctrl+W and use code 1, 63: ö or 1, 71: ü (other letters
are available, also).
If youre still in thrall to the Beast of Redmond, I cant help you.
Sanity Claws
(21,850 posts)It was superior to Word but I had to switch so that others could open attachments to my email. I made the switch probably 15 years ago.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)Sometimes I compose the document in WordPerfect, then copy it into OpenOffice and attach it in that form. Many people have found they can open the attachment by using Word (or, in one case, WordPerfect, completing the cycle) without any download. If they can't, I tell them to go to OpenOffice.org and download the freeware. My experience was that the download and installation were completely hassle-free.
I'm very happy never to have paid Microsoft a dime for Word.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)...including accented letters such as umlaut letters, or kanjis, or whatever. It's the slow way to do it though.
forest444
(5,902 posts)Once you memorize them (or some at least), it makes typing foreign names a lot easier. It really helps with Spanish and French, more so even than German. Tchüß!
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)I want my umlauts back!
SusanaMontana41
(3,233 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)I refuse the new presidential-candidate dignification of "Trump" for this jumped-up clown.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)... but it's like the difference between Adolf Hitler and Adolf Schickelgruber.
Warpy
(111,305 posts)and he's a phony, made up man. Calling him Drumpf reminds him of that.
didact
(246 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)It's far more descriptive.
Skittles
(153,171 posts)people should be called by their preferred name
freedom fighter jh
(1,782 posts)Just because he shows no respect to anyone else is not a good reason not to show at least minimal respect to him.
Blanks
(4,835 posts)As much as I didn't like Bush, I don't care for people calling him Shrub, or Chimp.
I believe that the person who holds the office of Commander in Chief, and is our ceremonial head of state is deserving of the respect of the flag, the liberty bell etc.
I think name calling brings us down to the level of the republicans when we use childish name calling to belittle them. Of course Trump is not in that position, but still I think it brings us down more than him.
autorank
(29,456 posts)Teaching tolerance never ends. Excellent work!
freedom fighter jh
(1,782 posts)backscatter712
(26,355 posts)He's a literal fascist.
I'll be damned if I'll give that narcissistic microprick an atom of respect. So Drumpf he is.
Ellipsis
(9,124 posts)Lhttp://funnynotslutty.com/2012/11/helene-bouffant-fashion-november-holiday/nazi-turkey/
... all kidding aside I respect your perspective.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)Hekate
(90,758 posts)csziggy
(34,136 posts)I'd rather not use his name at all, or ever hear it, or read references to it. Maybe after November he will crawl into a hole and we will never hear from him again. I should live so long!
For those who don't know where the OP title reference came from: Why Donald Trump Will Always Be a Short-Fingered Vulgarian http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2015/10/graydon-carter-donald-trump
Hekate
(90,758 posts)csziggy
(34,136 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)edhopper
(33,599 posts)exactly it. The OP is reading things into it that aren't there.
MyOwnPeace
(16,936 posts)the "anti-immigrant" was begat by immigrants (that sounds like something that he would find in Two Tims - otherwise known as Second Timothy, chapter unknown!)
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)or is it a trope?
Rex
(65,616 posts)I read that on the internet, so you can be sure it is true.
Trenzalore
(2,331 posts)freedom fighter jh
(1,782 posts)Yes, that's funny. Nobody does it like John Oliver.
progressoid
(49,992 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)has NO sense of humor!
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)It was a riff on Trump's "he should be proud of his heritage" hypocritical slam of Jon Stewart.
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,791 posts)Americans of German descent were often discriminated against during WWI. No point in bringing that kind of attitude back - we shouldn't be knocking anyone on account of their nationality, even though the intent of using the name "Drumpf" is to draw a connection to Hitler.
https://www.loc.gov/teachers/classroommaterials/presentationsandactivities/presentations/immigration/german8.html
freedom fighter jh
(1,782 posts)Couldn't agree more that "we shouldn't be knocking anyone on account of their nationality."
LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)WWII, including the family of a friend of mine. She gives lectures on that little known chapter of WWII history.
pansypoo53219
(20,986 posts)of the german paper. since he is going full hitler, i am ok w/ short fingered Humpler.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)of certan quarters making a big deal of Obama's middle name, Hussein (Hi Hillary) or of Jindal's given name, Piyosh (numerous other Democrats including some in this group). It's OK when it's some other party's politician. Not really.
freedom fighter jh
(1,782 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)Chemisse
(30,814 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)freedom fighter jh
(1,782 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)his own race.
KentuckyWoman
(6,689 posts)I used to go by Trumpenfuhrer but I like Herr Hair much better. He's all hair no sense just like Whistleass was all hat no sense.
GaYellowDawg
(4,449 posts)Great nickname.
BlueStater
(7,596 posts)why mess up a good outrage thread? This one rates about an 8 on the 10 scale imo.
Bucky
(54,039 posts)"people of common descent," a word from the 16th century, from Middle French race, earlier razza "race, breed, lineage, family" (16c.), possibly from Italian razza, of unknown origin (cognate with Spanish and Portuguese raza). Etymologists say no connection with Latin radix "root," though they admit this might have influenced the "tribe, nation" sense.
Original senses in English included "wines with characteristic flavor" (1520), "group of people with common occupation" (c. 1500), and "generation" (1540s). Meaning "tribe, nation, or people regarded as of common stock" is by 1560s. Modern meaning of "one of the great divisions of mankind based on physical peculiarities" is from 1774 (though as OED points out, even among anthropologists there never has been an accepted classification of these).
References to the "German race" or "Chinese race" or even (in the words of John Adams) the "American race" are perfectly well understood by any educated listener and make logical sense. The uniquely narrow sense of "belonging to one of four specific divisions of the human species" is a modern (and ignorant and problematic) distortion of the word--a word that by the way holds no measurable sociological or scientific value.
unblock
(52,280 posts)if we dug into the ancestry of any old candidate and picked a name just to make fun of them, especially if leaning on the stigma of any particular national origin, then yes, i'd agree with you.
but in this case, we started calling him "drumpf" only after he strongly established his own xenophobia and bigotry towards people of certain heritages that he apparently deems un-american. in fact, i believe john oliver, who brought us this bit of trivia, said trump at some point had criticized another for having changed their name to make it sound more american.
it's not to make a mockery of the fact that his heritage is german. it's to make a mockery of the fact that his heritage also lies outside the united states.
it points out his hypocrisy, not his particular national ancestry.
personally i'm all for calling him "drumpf".
chwaliszewski
(1,514 posts)John Oliver pointing out Donald's hypocrisy. His ancestry could be Swiss for all I care. It's the blatant hypocrisy.
Drumpf!
Thank you.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)...to "be proud of his heritage" and use his birth name.
Well, it goes both ways...
freedom fighter jh
(1,782 posts)But it still hits my buttons. If I called him Drumpf, I wouldn't expect people to know the history (of his hypocrisy) that I was referring to. So I'd feel like I was smearing his German ancestry.
But if it doesn't bother you, someone who has much more reason than I have to be sensitive, then I guess you really can make that distinction, as can many who have replied to this thread. I seem to be missing nuance.
yortsed snacilbuper
(7,939 posts)dubya used to give everybody a nickname, I think he called rove "Turd blossom", so if it's good enough for dubya, it's good enough for me
3catwoman3
(24,024 posts)...would surely be appropriate for Trump.
csziggy
(34,136 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,027 posts)pnwmom
(108,989 posts)the "we're better than that" policy when we see what he throws at either of our candidates in the General.
freedom fighter jh
(1,782 posts)One thing I love about Bernie is the way he distinguishes issues from people. If he gets the nomination, I believe he will keep that up.
I agree with you that Trump is likely to go lower than campaigns have gone in the past. I hope Democrats can find a way not to be part of that.
revbones
(3,660 posts)mac56
(17,574 posts)Claimed that Jon was "ashamed of his heritage."
The name change was quite justified if you know Jon's story.
So no, I see no need to cut Drumpf any slack. YMMV.
freedom fighter jh
(1,782 posts)I guess I just have trouble understanding the response to it.
What is "YMMV"?
mac56
(17,574 posts)Not sure what is gained by pointing out that it was typical Trumpian (or Drumpfian) hypocrisy.
freedom fighter jh
(1,782 posts)It's getting hard to write a coherent reply when I'm writing so many.
Sorry.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)I like the way DRUMPF sounds. I also like the way it looks typed out!
DRUMPF, DRUMPF, DRUMPF, DRUMPF, DRUMPF, DRUMPF, DRUMPF, DRUMPF,
Did I mention that I am also part German? Well I am.
DRUMPF, DRUMPF, DRUMPF, DRUMPF, DRUMPF, DRUMPF, DRUMPF, DRUMPF,
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)booksenkatz
(3,466 posts)1. Xenophobia is unnecessary. We can beat Trump on the issues.
2. Most people have a relative who Anglicized a surname, as my maiden name was.
3. Did you know that the French find our "th" sound to be extremely odd?
4. Have a nice evening.
freedom fighter jh
(1,782 posts)Yes, I'd much prefer to beat Trump on the issues. That should be easy because he never says anything of substance, just plays to the crowd.
Months ago, when I was still trying to watch the debates, I noticed that the one debate that Trump skipped was the one with the most substance. I think it was because he wasn't there. He has a way of bringing the discussion down to his level.
eilen
(4,950 posts)After all, we would not want to be politically correct. I hear that he and his fans can't stand that.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)Real Germans hate fascists and the Nazi's too. This has nothing to do with the German people of today.
chwaliszewski
(1,514 posts)Trump is like Hitler without the warmth.
freedom fighter jh
(1,782 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Totally agree.
freedom fighter jh
(1,782 posts)But it *sounds* like it does.
reACTIONary
(5,770 posts)Which is a pun on dumkauff and means dumb heaad. Completely PC imho.
Zambero
(8,965 posts)By any measure, Trump himself is abundantly flawed. There is plenty to criticize, indeed condemn. There is no need to dilute or distract from that message by mocking his ancestral name.
freedom fighter jh
(1,782 posts)TDale313
(7,820 posts)If people want to call him Drumpf, I frankly have no big problem with that. It's kinda immature- but he's the one making the connection far more than some anonymous posters on DU
freedom fighter jh
(1,782 posts)Is Trump getting them to do it, or do the followers start it?
TDale313
(7,820 posts)But he put his arm out when he said it. I would say he knew he what he was imitating.
freedom fighter jh
(1,782 posts)He's not as dumb as he comes across.
I'm guessing his encouragement of the Nazi stuff is a way to pander to White supremacists. I hope that's all it is.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)litlbilly
(2,227 posts)appalachiablue
(41,161 posts)OldRedneck
(1,397 posts). . . "SHIT FOR BRAINS."
w0nderer
(1,937 posts)Many german soldiers Deridingly called Hitler GROFAZ Gr0ssest fuhrer alle zeite
would that work for you?
that wouldn't be racist right?
specially not since i'm of germanic/scandinavian/finno/russian mix stock
or
MAFLIUSA maffliusa...kinda catchy..i likes
Most Accepted Facist Leader In USA
?
so many options so many acronyms so little time to play around with them
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)was due to Trump's making fun of Jon Stewart not going by his family's original name.
Reap what you sow.
UTUSN
(70,721 posts)And especially if we are doomed to 4 or 8 (or more) years of this (what expletive is acceptable for me to apply to him?!1).
Instead of "DRUMPF" may I use substitute words like ("REPULSIVE" "DETESTABLE" "IGNOMINIOUS" come to mind) - like we all need one another's permission for anything.
How about my calling him a-hole?!1
As for "The Drumpf thing just sounds racist to me" - well, all the *f-ing CRAP* HE spouts "SOUNDS F-ING RACIST TO ME"!1 tyvm (Please put me on Ignore for you to avoid all the myriad times I'm going to post "DRUMPF"!1)
Rex
(65,616 posts)freedom fighter jh
(1,782 posts)I just don't see how calling him Drumpf helps.
UTUSN
(70,721 posts)You know, your P.o.V. is yours to have and I credit your O.P. as being sincere, and therefore *not* flamebait, but this late in the thread you have *way* established that nothing anybody has said will ever change your mind about this, and you have every right to stick to your position, so time for me at least to bid adieu on this.
And as I say, I don't call this flamebait, but it has some of the characteristics of flame bait: 1- Posting something that inherently elicits contentious repies. 2- Posting in scorched earth mode, never to be swayed. 3- Rebuffing all attempts at reasonable explanation. 4- Going on and on, no end in sight.
freedom fighter jh
(1,782 posts)You said you're done with this thread, but I'm writing just in case you're reading, or maybe someone else interested in the discussion is reading.
I have come to understand that people, apparently lots, see calling him "Drumpf" as a way to express their feelings about his bigotry. I tried to acknowledge that in a couple of replies. After a while I got tired of repeating it.
I do appreciate your showing me how this looks from a point of view other than my own.
If I had the whole thing to do over again, I would not phrase it as a request. I didn't think it out that far, because I expected maybe 5 people to see it and 2 to reply, at best, because two replies is about the best I've ever done with an OP. Of course people have every right to express themselves any way they want, and the request was kind of a rhetorical way for me to raise the issue for discussion. I don't like people shaking their fingers at me either, but, as I said, I didn't give it so much thought before I posted as to see it that way.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)...the alliteration! So tempting..
Hayduke Bomgarte
(1,965 posts)While watching an HBO John Oliver episode, where Oliver noted drumpfs mockery of someone else for "americanizing" their surname, obviously, according to drumpf, out of shame of his heritage. Then Oliver pointed out that, although drumpf himself didn't make the change, his own father did, which should have warranted, but did not receive the same disdain.
So no, I won't be giving up the drumpf. He will forever more be drumpf to me. Sorry for your sensibilities, but fuck drumpf sideways.
Mira
(22,380 posts)Drumpf is nothing but a German sounding word, it means nothing. To me saying "Drumpf" is no more an insult or labeling him evil than an indication that, like other Americans with immigrant heritage, he too is one of us.
I like referring to him as Drumpf. To me calling him that name is no more than a silly emotionally soothing attempt at minimizing his impact, and make him look a bit ridiculous and again, to me, it is not a way to make him look racist, he does that all by himself.
freedom fighter jh
(1,782 posts)PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)although I don't think comparing Trump to a terrorist group (ISIL, IS etc, no not the cat) is the best thing in the world they hate being called The Daesh. I'd rather call twit that name than attack other democrats at the moment and we've had enough of that. some of us know how we'll be voting some of us don't I won't say here who I won't vote for. but you can guess and now won't answer. But thats just me. I have certain prinicples I won't cross and others are different
mwooldri
(10,303 posts)I didn't know Drumpf was his ancestral family name.
However The Dumpster needs to put his political ambitions into... the dumpster.
moonbeam23
(313 posts)we can't...his hypocrisy is epic and needs to be called out..it has nothing to do with national groups (i'm part german)
Personally, i prefer Drumpfenfueher...gets both his immigrant roots and his Hitler imitation at once
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MMTampa
(82 posts)No
blogslut
(38,006 posts)And it makes life bearable. I will continue to type 'Drumpf' forever because, to me, it is a clumsy, clunky name and fits him more than his progenitors chosen name.
My family name is German.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)changing their names for showbiz, just as Jon Stewart.
"If John [sic] Stewart is so above it all & legit, why did he change his name from Jonathan Leibowitz? He should be proud of his heritage."
So Drumpf it is. Or Von Clownstick. It's dealer's choice.
Crunchy Frog
(26,594 posts)Make Donald Drumpf again.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)According to a 1990 Vanity Fair interview, Ivana Trump once told her lawyer Michael Kennedy that her husband, real-estate mogul Donald Trump, now a leading Republican presidential candidate, kept a book of Hitler's speeches near his bed.
"Last April, perhaps in a surge of Czech nationalism, Ivana Trump told her lawyer Michael Kennedy that from time to time her husband reads a book of Hitler's collected speeches, My New Order, which he keeps in a cabinet by his bed ... Hitler's speeches, from his earliest days up through the Phony War of 1939, reveal his extraordinary ability as a master propagandist," Marie Brenner wrote.
...
When Brenner asked Trump about how he came to possess Hitler's speeches, "Trump hesitated" and then said, "Who told you that?"
...
After Trump and Brenner changed topics, Trump returned to the subject and reportedly said, "If, I had these speeches, and I am not saying that I do, I would never read them."
http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trumps-ex-wife-once-said-he-kept-a-book-of-hitlers-speeches-by-his-bed-2015-8
AnnieBW
(10,444 posts)I'm half German. My Grandfather was conscripted into WWI, and split for America as soon as he could after the war was over. Two of my uncles fought the Nazis in WWII - one was on Ike's staff. Not all Germans are evil, and painting The Donald with his grandfather's real name is an ethnic slur against Germans. I understand that Stephen Colbert has French ancestry, and the French don't like the Germans very much. But, let's call him something different. I use "Il Douche" or "Der Trumpenfuhrer."
freedom fighter jh
(1,782 posts)I guess it's a matter of perception. I posted this thread because i see "drumpf" as an ethnic slur against Germans, but many, many people seem to feel otherwise. See upthread.
I like "der Trumpenfuhrer." It seems to capture his Nazi tendencies.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)It is called calling him out on his hypocrisy about immigration.
Are you sure it is a German name, not Scottish or Welsh or Irish or something else.
freedom fighter jh
(1,782 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Submariner
(12,506 posts)Drumpf made a big deal of criticing John Stewart for changing his last name saying people should be proud of their names and not change names.
Just a little well deserved shaming.
DesMoinesDem
(1,569 posts)I saw this on Facebook and had to laugh.
freedom fighter jh
(1,782 posts)Very funny.
Kinda ironic, cuz it's not that hard to stump the trump. He's just full of hot air.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)liberalfromaustin21
(61 posts)I hate the man. He deserves all the scorn he gets.
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)My pointing out his real name is to DE-emphasize the branding of his fake name.
One more reason to uncover the festering orange colored hate pimple that needs to be popped.
Rex
(65,616 posts)just because the FACTS have been pointed out. Also, when did Germany become a race of people, I must have missed that memo.
freedom fighter jh
(1,782 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Of course you know by now the reason people call him that, yet you don't care at all. Why is that?
freedom fighter jh
(1,782 posts)What were you talking about?
Yes, I know why people call him that. If you want to talk about why people call him that, you are free to do so. It is not what I was writing about. That may explain why I seem not to care about it.
freedom fighter jh
(1,782 posts)Yes, the name "Trump" does come with a lot of branding and I can see how you would want to challenge that.
I lived in NYC for a long time, so, branding or no branding, my own associations to "Trump" are not kind to him in the first place.
Rex
(65,616 posts)freedom fighter jh
(1,782 posts)How does that work?
Every time someone disagrees with you, do you then take back your original statement?
Bucky
(54,039 posts)Ask Socrates to explain it to you, before the hemlock kicks in, but one downside of democracy is that it often rewards emotionally charged hate-speech with undue attention and popularity. And sadly, Democrats are nearly just as willing as Republicans to wallow in Nativist bigotry like calling a politician we don't like by a foreign sounding name.
I agree with you that it's pretty hypocritical for so-called liberals to distort Trump's birthname as a bandwagon rally cry. Thank you for calling out the LINOs. They make me sad too.
freedom fighter jh
(1,782 posts)I don't think I really expected people to stop. I'm not sure why I started the discussion -- I thought maybe 1 or 2 DUers would reply, if I was lucky, and it might be a short, interesting discussion. I did not expect the vitriol.
Deadshot
(384 posts)Drumpf is acting like a Nazi and we should associate his German heritage with his former last name.
BTW, German isn't a race.
lame54
(35,302 posts)if you don't know the joke you don't get it
until you get it you can't ask others to not use it
Turborama
(22,109 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Turborama
(22,109 posts)I don't know if it was posted in GD, but several people (including the OP) seem to have missed the origins of the campaign to "Make Donald Drumpf Again".
freedom fighter jh
(1,782 posts)I laughed hard.
I don't see how that changes anything.
lame54
(35,302 posts)Turborama
(22,109 posts)Iggo
(47,561 posts)Or even "bigoted."
But "racist" it ain't.
Turborama
(22,109 posts)To rub off the polish from the turd, as it were.
Skip to 18 minutes in to get to the context of this...
Iggo
(47,561 posts)I was just trying to help the OP find the right word for what he was trying to say.
DrewFlorida
(1,096 posts)Trump being fake, a con-artist!
fullautohotdog
(90 posts)Be better than the GOP bigots, everyone. None of this "Yur name sounds furin'! Yah furin'er!" crap like they do with the president. Yes, it's just as offensive.
Don't pick on his physical appearance, either. You wouldn't like it if someone called out Hillary's Resting Bitch Face, or picked on Bernie's "Jew-fro."
He's a bully jackass media whore. He has control over that. Call him that.
freedom fighter jh
(1,782 posts)That's just what I was trying to say.
Yeah, bully jackass media whore.
snort
(2,334 posts)and when he did that he made his fair game, period. Don't want shit thrown back at you don't toss it in the first place.
MADem
(135,425 posts)something stupid...like TRUMP.
And "racist?" He's a white man who paints himself orange.
You do realize that many Jews are also Germans--they aren't mutually exclusive situations. In fact, many Israeli kids (as well as Jewish young adults from other nations) are using their "right of return" to obtain German passports that they are entitled to, based on their grandparents (many of whom were killed by Hitler). They are Jews. They are also GERMANS. The passport makes it easier for them to find work in the EU and some take them for that reason--others want to re-connect with their heritage--they have as much right to it as anyone, if not even more right, given the suffering of their ancestors.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4076384,00.html
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2012/03/an_american_jew_becomes_a_german_citizen_.html
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/23/germany-israel-citizenship
Article 116 par 2 of Germanys Basic Law reads:
Former German citizens who between January 30, 1933 and May 8, 1945 were deprived of their citizenship on political, racial, or religious grounds, and their descendants, shall on application have their citizenship restored. They shall be deemed never to have been deprived of their citizenship if they have established their domicile in Germany after May 8, 1945 and have not expressed a contrary intention.
Rex
(65,616 posts)No reference to Drumpf. You have convinced me, I will bookmark this thread so that people can know it was YOU that made me change my mind to Donald Dump. Thank you.
IronLionZion
(45,484 posts)it's mainly because it sounds funny and he hates it. It's like calling ISIS as Daesh. At some point we were all immigrants. There's no shame in reminding voters that Drumpf's the child and grandchild of immigrants.
Anti-immigrant bashing is not new. Subsequent generations of immigrants have often gone on to bash the newer immigrants. There was a time when Americans didn't like Jews, or Italians, or Irish, or whatever even though they were white. Later some of those folks felt they were more American than newer immigrants from non-white countries.
Even though my grandparents immigrated to America (like Drumpf!) I am straight up blocked out from many government clearance projects and jobs because people strongly believe that Americans are white and brown people are immigrants. See how they claimed that our president is Kenyan. They have even used race to undermine their own Republican governors of southern states.
Let's make Donald Drumpf again.
Gothmog
(145,435 posts)americannightmare
(322 posts)This has nothing to do with the origin of the name, and everything to do with Drumpf insisting that Jon Stewart is ashamed of his name and shouldn't have changed it, when clearly Drumpf's family is not proud of their name. Besides, you're essentially asking us to give someone respect who doesn't deserve it. No one who talks about other human beings the way Drumpf does deserves my respect.
MFM008
(19,818 posts)has nothing to do with a German-Jew thing. He is a Drumpf. period.
burfman
(264 posts)FFJH,
I've been seeing the name tossed around du lately and never made the German connection. I just figured it was a rhyme on his name like the Trumpster. It's hard for me to view Trump as anything other than American......just as much as P.T. Barnum - who also was born in the US, was a Republican, served four terms in the Connecticut Legislature and was mayor of Bridgeport, Conn. He also ran for Congress but lost to a 3-rd cousin - perhaps the man who invented the phrase "There's a sucker born every minute" didn't aim high enough.....
I'm wondering if the League of Women Voters were still running the debates instead of the cable networks whether Trump would be in the lead for the Republican spot. I think that once the debates were turned into a profit making enterprise for the media it led to this - the debates being pushed to deliver high ratings above all else. Though recently I looked up what Ted Cruz's 5 point plan is about and I must admit he is trying hard to make Trump look like the rational one........ Whatever happened to the more centralist members of the party like Weicker and Baker back in the 70's - it's pretty sad where it is today.....
Another thing to ponder is if Trump obtains the nomination - how do you think he will go about selecting his VP? I'm imagining the candidates on one table and across the room Trump sitting with some of his advisers at another table facing them. Just like his old reality show,..... you can hear the sound track - dum dum DUM........
burfman......
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2492472.1452515721!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_635/graphic-trump-0111.jpg
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)I don't agree with it. For many of the reasons given here.
When I first saw people using Donald Drumpf I thought it was one of those names that a parent heard their child use. I had no idea this was his family name from how ever far back. It was after someone posted a video of their child saying "I don't want Donald Dumpf to win, that is how the kid pronounced his name, he is five. So, I see Drumpf and I think it's another cute kid pronunciation of the name. I thought it was kind of childish, but cute in the way only a five year old can be. Then I started seeing the real story behind the name and I am fully behind the logic of calling him Drumpf. People have nationalities pointing them out isn't racist unless you start ascribing traits and insinuating that they are inferior because of that race. I am pretty sure anyone from any race can be a short fingered vulgarian or a talking yam. Bullies like Drumpf don't stop being bullies just because you play nice with them. So, I won't be playing nice. I am a kind of an in your face kind of person I know I come of as being uber nice, but that's because most people are nice to me.
jmowreader
(50,561 posts)As someone who was bullied continuously through school for my uncommon name, I've grown to DESPISE anyone who calls Donald Trump that. Can't we concentrate on pointing out his fucked-in-the-head plans without jumping on his name?
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Reminds me of junior high.
Trump doesn't care a fig about DU, if he even knows it exists, so calling him another name does nothing.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)I never got why Chris Matthews was Tweety!
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)Matthews has strikingly blond hair, and the cartoon character Tweety is a little yellow bird. I've always assumed that the color was the connection.
UTUSN
(70,721 posts)UTUSN
(70,721 posts)Etymology of "Tweety". During Campaign 2000 the media noise machine was swooning over the nicknames Shrub was giving some of them. Media Whores Online ran a contest to nickname Chris MATTHEWS. In the first three or so weeks, there was no clear, catchy front runner, with "The Screamer" sort of leading. Then one of MATTHEWS's own Hardball staff leaked to MWO that they themselves called him "Tweety" because of the Clairol shade of hair coloring he favored. This was immediately declared the winner. But in some quarters, it wasn't entirely satisfactory. For one thing, by the time the name was declared, the shade had changed to platinum, leading to a suggestion he be called "Carole LOMBARD".
Plus, "Tweety" sounded too affectionate.
Then M-TV held its 20th or 25th or whatever anniversary, and all the cable echo chambers were doing segments of Britney shedding her duds down to almost nothing. Not to be left behind, Tweety followed suit, with a guest "culture" commentator from Time Mag, the young humor columnist, Joel STEIN. The staff kept re-running the Britney clip, and Tweety was clearly DROOLING disgustingly. STEIN said, "You're beginning to creep me out." Tweety responded, "Yeah, well, wait till YOU're 50." This led to the suggestion that "Tweety" be modified to "Tweezer" to retain the hair reference while canceling out the affection factor and also adding the (dirty old) "geezer" angle.
Darrell HAMMOND "Doing" Tweety on SNL. Tweety's ego was massively stroked after the debut of HAMMOND's impersonation of him, either in 2001 or 2002. He said, "I am now an ICON: I have been 'done' on Saturday Night Live'." The funniest line in the debut was HAMMOND as Tweety, cracking himself up with, [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]"For the ... FIFTY ... people who watch this show[/FONT]... (Hardball, not SNL). In the first few times HAMMOND featured him, the target was Tweety himself -- manically interrupting, spitting, and drooling. However, the characterization evolved, not true to the original, where Tweety became the "rational" character surrounded by oddball, extremist "guests", with HAMMOND-Tweety shaking his head in disbelief at their partisan spin.
"Turning" from Being a Democrat. He (like G.E.RUSSERT and Pat CADDELL) still trades on having been a Democrat in the CARTER/O'NEILL era. In the hothouse of big time political flunkydom, STATUS and POWER come from the SUCCESS of your boss. RAYGUN kicked Tweety's bosses' rears, and Tweety gravitated to admiring that "success". When he started up his media career he was mentored by G.E. RUSSERT, who had himself already started "turning" by "reaching out" to LIMBOsevic and expending his formerly-Lib-bleeding-heart on those poor wingnuts who had been maligned and marginalized by the Liberal Elite, lo those many years. Tweety started doing video valentines to RAYGUN, promenading arm in arm with Nancy. He might have tapped into the frenzy of the FAKE impeachment, but "hatred of the CLINTONs" isn't what made him turn. The last time he was identifiably a Democrat was sometime around 1988 when Hardball (the book) was published. Throughout the year of Campaign 2000 he savaged the Dem candidate daily and went on to years of bromance over Shrub, renouncing any Democratic heritage. He said his parents were cloth coat" (Rethugs), and that basically what first drew him to the Dem side was Irish-Catholic pride over JFK. Not ideology, not idealism. He said the reason he joined the Peace Corps was specifically to avoid going to Vietnam.
How Tweety "Executed" DONAHUE on MSNBC. Tweety was on his book tour for another one of his "books" (large type, wide spaces between lines, blank half-pages). It was in the jingoistic hysteria in the run-up to the illegal Iraq attack. The book was about supposed "Americanism" -- an American Civ 101 ripoff about books and movies and cultural stuff that are essentially American (think, "The Great Gatsby" . So Phil welcomed him as a colleague and peer on Phil's MSNBC show for the full hour to plug the book. From the moment he appeared, there was a strange, deadly snake look in Tweety's snake eyes. Phil was walking around the audience, apparently not sensing anything, while Tweety was motionless, following him only with his eyes. Phil brought up something or other questioning blind, kneejerk jingoism, and Tweety STRUCK! He started out with venom dripping, "You see, THIS is EXACTLY what's wrong with YOU Liberals: You are NEGATIVE about this country, you find NOTHING good about it," and on and on. It took awhile before Phil figured out what was happening. Later, Phil, devastated and spent, was sitting at the table with Tweety and, weaker and weaker, did some of his trademark shoulder shrugging and arm waving. Tweety delivered the coup de grace, "What's THIS (mimicking the movements)??!! What's with the --APE-- movements???!" Days or a week or two later, Phil's cancellation was announced and took effect.
How Tweety "Triggered" a Gun Incident (re: Kathleen WILLEY). At the height of the FAKE impeachment, Ms WILLEY claimed that a mystery jogger had threatened her or her cat or somebody, with the insinuation that there was a CLINTON connection. Several months later, there was gossip that the jogger had been identified. Tweety hosted her and it appeared they had discussed the identity off camera. He tried mightily to get her to say the name on the air, which she wouldn't do. Finally, he himself blurted it out, "Was it (Name/Surname)?" She wouldnt confirm it. Within days there was a bizarre incident, with the mentally disabled brother of Pat and Bay BUCHANAN going with a gun to the house of the supposed jogger named by Tweety, where there were only some foreign exchange students present. Later it was determined that the person Tweety named on the air had NOTHING to do with the supposed jogger incident.
"Heroes" Tweety and Tom DeLAY. In the aftermath of the 07-24-98 shooting of two Capitol police officers when the slain officers were duly eulogized and called heroes, Tweety latched on to this, the way we have seen him attempt to glorify himself in other instances: Like saying he was assigned to Africa in the Peace Corps and "WALKED THE SAME GROUND" THAT CHURCHILL had passed through. Or when he said, "I am an ICON! I have been 'done' by SNL!". So now that the Capitol policemen were being called heroes, Tweety came forward to say that HE had been a Capitol policemen, TOO, JUST LIKE THEM, when he was starting out. It turns out that he had worked a (temporary?) job for three months as that. In all the years before the officers were shot and eulogized, he probably NEVER referred to that job, most likely thinking of it as a rent-a-cop turn, until he could see in retrospect the glory that he had been DESTINED to from the beginning.
But he is not the only glory hog. When that incident was happening, the news of the moment reported that Tom DELAY had hopped a plane out of town and immediately turned around in Houston when the incident was over. This show of courage is why he has been dubbed, "Tom-DePLANE!-DePLANE!-DELAY".
But searches of countless news reports of that time show no mention of the hopping-the-plane. Only this is left:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm /... "...House members, many rushing out of town, did not have to remain behind. DeLay slipped out the main door of the Capitol less than 15 minutes after the shooting. He looked stricken. Asked if he'd seen anything, he said, "Did I ever. I don't want to talk about it." Aides rushed him into his waiting car. ...."
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yuiyoshida
(41,834 posts)He is not of Japanese Ancestry....
Wolf Frankula
(3,601 posts)The t is silent.
Wolf
sibelian
(7,804 posts)ha ha.
no.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)Turborama
(22,109 posts)Unlike the Trumpbots who were extremely rude to him...
https://twitter.com/JoeTheWonderful/status/710167339468197888
BigBearJohn
(11,410 posts)whathehell
(29,069 posts)I think it' being highlighted, legitimately or not, because
1. It sounds awkward, almost unpronounceable.
2. It can be viewed as part of his phoniness, e.g. a fake name.
EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)Why Hillary will lose badly to Trump.
Lol.
LeftishBrit
(41,208 posts)KitSileya
(4,035 posts)We are better than them. That's a big part of who we are, that we do better than them. They like to be bigoted asshats that deadname Chelsea Manning, Caitlin Jenner et. al, and when we don't use the name Donald Trump chose, we are asshats too. We are on par with those who keep calling President Obama 'Barry Hussein Soetoro' - do we really want to sink to those depths?
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)altered their surnames for professional reasons when he also has. It is offensive to invoke transgender persons who have entirely new identities with Trump.
In the US 'German names' are not an issue at all, Eisenhower, Gephardt, Daschle. Busch, Schlitz, Pabst. Grohl, Durst, Beiderbecke. Lange, Rateznberg, Heigle.
What's NYC without the Guggenheim or the Brooklyn Bridge, built by Roebling Sr then Jr?
All day we could do this.
Maeve
(42,287 posts)Besides, one thing the devil and the short-fingered vulgarian have in common is they can't stand ridicule. (one among many things, but...)
Coventina
(27,155 posts)He should be proud of his heritage!!
I'm with Oliver on this one!
dumbcat
(2,120 posts)It shows the high level of intellect here.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)but we need to keep pressing the short finger hot button.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)we can do it
(12,190 posts)struggle4progress
(118,320 posts)MuttLikeMe
(279 posts)Like the immigrants he trashes in his rally speeches. That's the point John Oliver was making. He was pointing out the hypocrisy in Trump's words.
basselope
(2,565 posts)karynnj
(59,504 posts)As to Trump himself, he was born and given the name Donald Trump. This is as silly as the Republicans that tried to make something of the fact that Kerry's paternal grandfather changed the family name from Kohn to Kerry and their Jewish religion to Catholicism. In fact, he was named John Kerry, just as his father was named Richard Kerry when they were born -- and both were baptized as babies. We look similarly stupid making this an issue.
The fact is that many many names were anglicized or completely changed when families came to the US. In this case, the name was simply anglicized.
kdmorris
(5,649 posts)"real" last name and harrangued him for not using his father's name when Trump as in the EXACT same situation and didn't use his father's name.
Has nothing to do with his German ancestry... has everything to do with his hypocrisy....
(I am of German ancestry myself... both sides... long lines back into the 1700's).