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freedom fighter jh

(1,782 posts)
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 08:22 PM Mar 2016

Can we stop calling him "Drumpf"?

My understanding is that "Drumpf" was Trump's father's, or maybe grandfather's, name, and he changed it to make it sound more American. Drumpf was German.

When someone calls Trump "Drumpf," I guess they're trying to remind readers of Trump's immigrant, specifically German, ancestry. The implication seems to me to be "Look, he's German; he must be evil." I think DU is better than to think that way. In the last century, an evil man led Germany and brought out the evil in many -- too many -- of his countrymen. That is a stain on German history. But that does not make Germans evil generally, nor does it give anyone license to refer to them as such.

For the record -- I guess it's relevant here -- I'm Jewish, and I have close friends who are German. I simply don't think my friends are responsible for the Holocaust, so I see no reason not to have them as friends.

The Drumpf thing just sounds racist to me. Trump would be a nightmare of a president. That is not because his ethnicity is part German.

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Can we stop calling him "Drumpf"? (Original Post) freedom fighter jh Mar 2016 OP
Drumpf, Drumpf, Drumpf, Drumpf! longship Mar 2016 #1
I find it tough to argue with that. freedom fighter jh Mar 2016 #3
I'm with you there, mein freund. forest444 Mar 2016 #52
i think maybe i have to amp the kraut + add umlauts to my name. closer to the RIGHT spelling of it. pansypoo53219 Mar 2016 #101
How to type umlauts Jim Lane Mar 2016 #111
WordPerfect is still around? Sanity Claws Mar 2016 #127
I know what you mean about attachments. I've been pushing OpenOffice. Jim Lane Mar 2016 #137
In Windows, I've used the Character Map to find, copy and paste international characters... backscatter712 Mar 2016 #145
Try the Alt codes: forest444 Mar 2016 #121
Same here. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2016 #142
I prefer Der Trumpf, myself. n/t SusanaMontana41 Mar 2016 #113
He'll always be "The Donald." Nothing is as stupid as that. Hortensis Mar 2016 #161
Not to jump on the German bandwagon... TipTok Mar 2016 #124
Trump is a phony, made up name Warpy Mar 2016 #55
I didn't get a Drumpf outta that guy! didact Mar 2016 #148
Well played! ROFL! nt longship Mar 2016 #149
How 'bout Donald Dump? lagomorph777 Mar 2016 #169
I agree with this assessment Skittles Mar 2016 #2
Thanks. freedom fighter jh Mar 2016 #4
I don't care much for any name calling... Blanks Mar 2016 #58
Excellent post freedom fighter jh autorank Mar 2016 #117
Thanks, Auto. freedom fighter jh Mar 2016 #152
He's earned the opposite of respect. backscatter712 Mar 2016 #144
I was going to say we're not better then that but you just posted so... Ellipsis Mar 2016 #10
Yes. Even jerks. nt SusanCalvin Mar 2016 #18
I make an exception for Mr. Stubby Fingers. nt Hekate Mar 2016 #27
We could just call him "That Short-Fingered Vulgarian" but it's too long to type. csziggy Mar 2016 #66
Isn't it Charles Pierce who calls him "the vulgar talking yam"? Hekate Mar 2016 #67
Apparently so - but I had not seen that one! csziggy Mar 2016 #71
+1 Hiraeth Mar 2016 #92
It seems to me to be "Look, he's the descendant of immigrants; but he hates immigrants." KamaAina Mar 2016 #5
That is edhopper Mar 2016 #11
I agree.............. MyOwnPeace Mar 2016 #24
That being said, the meme is getting kind of stale KamaAina Mar 2016 #147
Well in old english Drumpf literally means To Take a Dump. Rex Mar 2016 #6
The original context Trenzalore Mar 2016 #7
Thanks for the context. freedom fighter jh Mar 2016 #17
Yup. That's it. progressoid Mar 2016 #63
Yes! This. HuckleB Mar 2016 #90
^^^This!^^^^ Anybody who insists on calling him Trump after seeing this Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #125
Yes. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2016 #153
no HERVEPA Mar 2016 #8
You have a point. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2016 #9
Thanks for that information. freedom fighter jh Mar 2016 #19
Google "Crystal City, Texas." Thousands of Germans were interned during LibDemAlways Mar 2016 #38
i suppose they could have tried to wall in milwaukee, but we are full of others. just stopped print pansypoo53219 Mar 2016 #103
In a way it's reminiscent IMHO LiberalElite Mar 2016 #12
Exactly. freedom fighter jh Mar 2016 #20
Yes. 840high Mar 2016 #21
Good point. n/t Chemisse Mar 2016 #31
The Drumpf family changed the name to Trump to sound more British. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #13
Thanks for that correction. freedom fighter jh Mar 2016 #23
And who is more racist than the British royal family? So yes Trump is a racist who is ashamed of Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #143
I've adopted Herr Hair. KentuckyWoman Mar 2016 #14
Herr Hair? Hear, hear! GaYellowDawg Mar 2016 #116
Germans aren't a race. n/t BlueStater Mar 2016 #15
Yeah but Rex Mar 2016 #32
You are wrong Bucky Mar 2016 #86
son of an austrian holocaust survivor here, with a germanic last name... unblock Mar 2016 #16
This ^^^ chwaliszewski Mar 2016 #36
Yes Dem2 Mar 2016 #126
Yep. John Oliver pointed out that Drumpf told Jon Stewart... backscatter712 Mar 2016 #146
I see your point. freedom fighter jh Mar 2016 #154
I wonder what dubya calls him, yortsed snacilbuper Mar 2016 #22
Something with "turd" in it... 3catwoman3 Mar 2016 #41
More likely something with "fart" given what "trumpet" means in some places n/t csziggy Mar 2016 #70
Hair DrumpFührer / TheRump. He's fascist poseur / the elephant's ass. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2016 #25
I know what you mean. But it's going to be awfully hard to sustain pnwmom Mar 2016 #26
Hard but maybe important. freedom fighter jh Mar 2016 #155
People seem to think immaturity is a way to fight racism. nt revbones Mar 2016 #28
He ripped Jon Stewart for changing his name. mac56 Mar 2016 #29
That was typical Trumpian hypocrisy. freedom fighter jh Mar 2016 #157
Your mileage may vary. mac56 Mar 2016 #158
Well, it's the mileage. freedom fighter jh Mar 2016 #180
DRUMPF, DRUMPF, DRUMPF, DRUMPF, DRUMPF, DRUMPF, DRUMPF, DRUMPF, RoccoR5955 Mar 2016 #30
I kinda like DR.UMPF precisely because it doesn't sound nice. Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #74
Thanks, glad I'm not alone on this one. booksenkatz Mar 2016 #33
Thank you. (kinda late, but I've been busy and not able to keep up with this thread) freedom fighter jh Mar 2016 #159
It's Drumpf eilen Mar 2016 #34
I call him Drumpf because he reminds me of Adolf Hitler. I'm 3/4 German. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #35
Gilbert Gottfried said... chwaliszewski Mar 2016 #37
Well said! freedom fighter jh Mar 2016 #135
"This has nothing to do with the German people of today." BeanMusical Mar 2016 #64
No, it doesn't have to do with the German people of today. freedom fighter jh Mar 2016 #160
Call him Drumpf-kauff.... reACTIONary Mar 2016 #39
Yes, this is the "progressive" equivalent of "Barry Hussein Obama" Zambero Mar 2016 #40
Agree completely. freedom fighter jh Mar 2016 #162
He has followers at his rallies doing the Nazi Salute TDale313 Mar 2016 #42
That Nazi salute business is scary. freedom fighter jh Mar 2016 #163
He asked them to raise their right hands (to swear to vote I believe) TDale313 Mar 2016 #188
Probably he did know. freedom fighter jh Mar 2016 #191
He is called this everywhere on the internets not just DU so good luck trying to stop it! nt m-lekktor Mar 2016 #43
doesnt matter where he or ancestors are from, he is a freakin nazi plain and simple litlbilly Mar 2016 #44
If the shoe fits, wear it- appalachiablue Mar 2016 #84
Okay, from now on, I'll refer to him as . . . OldRedneck Mar 2016 #45
Ok, alternate "grofaz usa" w0nderer Mar 2016 #46
I believe the reason Drumph caught fire Capt. Obvious Mar 2016 #47
Yip it's about the immigrant-vs-immigrant thing not the Germanic thing. so *DRUMPF* forever!1 UTUSN Mar 2016 #48
Thankfully the OP is here to protect the German race! Rex Mar 2016 #53
He is racist and despicable in many other ways. freedom fighter jh Mar 2016 #165
"DRUMPF" helps *me* by communicating my little stand & what he represents to me. UTUSN Mar 2016 #187
I appreciate your reply. freedom fighter jh Mar 2016 #190
But...but.. Scurrilous Mar 2016 #49
I got onto drumpf Hayduke Bomgarte Mar 2016 #50
Opinion from a German immigrant who has not forgotten her mother tongue. Mira Mar 2016 #51
Yes, he does do that all by himself. freedom fighter jh Mar 2016 #168
how are the Daesh doing PatrynXX Mar 2016 #54
I prefer The Dumpster. mwooldri Mar 2016 #56
NO moonbeam23 Mar 2016 #57
This message was self-deleted by its author silvershadow Mar 2016 #59
So sorry Freedom MMTampa Mar 2016 #60
I have a browser addon that changes his name to "some rich asshole" blogslut Mar 2016 #61
He's also known as Fuckface Von Clownstick, and he's a person who has trash talked others for Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #62
I'm with John Oliver on this one. Crunchy Frog Mar 2016 #65
I'm half-German myself, and I'm calling the fucker Drumpf. nt backscatter712 Mar 2016 #68
Interesting article. BeanMusical Mar 2016 #69
I agree. AnnieBW Mar 2016 #72
Thanks, Annie. freedom fighter jh Mar 2016 #170
Drumpf, Drumpf, Drumpf, Drumpf! L. Coyote Mar 2016 #73
I heard it's German. I don't know for sure. freedom fighter jh Mar 2016 #171
It is not. L. Coyote Mar 2016 #182
NO ! Submariner Mar 2016 #75
When I see people name calling I assume they are an idiot. DesMoinesDem Mar 2016 #76
That's good! freedom fighter jh Mar 2016 #172
I call him a loudmouthed POS. hobbit709 Mar 2016 #77
Nah. liberalfromaustin21 Mar 2016 #78
Im all for starting up "Stubby fingered vulgarian." nt MrScorpio Mar 2016 #79
That isn't why I call him "Drumpf" at all! MrMickeysMom Mar 2016 #80
The OP knows this, but hey you cannot expect the Fake Outrage train to slow down Rex Mar 2016 #82
Please name a fact that you are responding to. freedom fighter jh Mar 2016 #173
Your OP is garbage, but how clever you were in your Trump humping on DU. Rex Mar 2016 #183
You said facts had been pointed out. freedom fighter jh Mar 2016 #185
I had not thought of it that way. freedom fighter jh Mar 2016 #174
And now that you know, will you delete your OP? Of course not, you like the fake outrage. Rex Mar 2016 #184
You've given me your opinion so I'm supposed to delete my OP? freedom fighter jh Mar 2016 #186
1- Yes, it's an anti-immigrant joke, 2- Yes, it's bigoted, 3- No, people won't stop Bucky Mar 2016 #81
Thanks, Bucky. freedom fighter jh Mar 2016 #175
No. Deadshot Mar 2016 #83
it's attached to a joke... lame54 Mar 2016 #85
Exactly! Context is everything. Turborama Mar 2016 #87
This is beautiful and it should be an OP Kalidurga Mar 2016 #105
It was posted in the V&M group a few times. Turborama Mar 2016 #108
I did see the video. freedom fighter jh Mar 2016 #177
any time Trump's hypocrisy is called out it's a good thing lame54 Mar 2016 #181
I for one love my Drumpfinator... Turborama Mar 2016 #88
I believe the word you're looking for is "xenophobic." Iggo Mar 2016 #89
It's actually none of those. It's simply a campaign to dilute his brand name. Turborama Mar 2016 #93
I know where it comes from. Iggo Mar 2016 #104
I can see your point of view......but I disagree.....I see Drumpf as....living proof of..... DrewFlorida Mar 2016 #91
Yes, please. fullautohotdog Mar 2016 #94
Thanks, fullautohotdog freedom fighter jh Mar 2016 #179
He gave Jon Stewart shit about his name snort Mar 2016 #95
No. He's an asshole, and DRUMPF sounds like a name that an asshole would want to change to MADem Mar 2016 #96
Okay, after much thought I will out of respect for his 'race' call him Donald Dump from now on. Rex Mar 2016 #97
It's not about race or the Holocaust IronLionZion Mar 2016 #98
Drumpf is a phony and his name is just as phony as he is Gothmog Mar 2016 #99
You need to see the John Oliver clip... americannightmare Mar 2016 #100
yes watch Olivers clip. brilliant MFM008 Mar 2016 #102
good point ffjh - didn't use it in the past and now I surely won't be using it. burfman Mar 2016 #106
Kick'd n rec'd, because I value your viewpoint... Kalidurga Mar 2016 #107
THANK you! jmowreader Mar 2016 #109
I agree I think we should call him Donny Jingles. joshcryer Mar 2016 #110
I've never understood DU's obsession with odd names for those we don't like. cwydro Mar 2016 #112
I never could figure out why Laura Bush was "Pickles". (n/t) Jim Lane Mar 2016 #114
Lol. cwydro Mar 2016 #115
Well, "Tweety" seems somewhat logical. Jim Lane Mar 2016 #118
See post #139 n/t UTUSN Mar 2016 #140
Here're are both the etymology and the context of "Tweety". U've been here forever, thought you knew UTUSN Mar 2016 #139
I guess its great yuiyoshida Mar 2016 #119
I just call him tRump Wolf Frankula Mar 2016 #120
"I think DU is better than to think that way." sibelian Mar 2016 #122
And, who wants to sound like this guy looks? pintobean Mar 2016 #123
I think he looks cute. Turborama Mar 2016 #136
I got an idea... let's just call him ASSHOLE BigBearJohn Mar 2016 #128
Not about German ancestry, IMO, I thought it Scottish, in fact. whathehell Mar 2016 #129
This diary clearly illustrates EdwardBernays Mar 2016 #130
In UK English, one meaning of 'trump' is 'fart' so his current name does just fine for him! LeftishBrit Mar 2016 #131
I agree with you. Doing that gives them licence to deadname people. KitSileya Mar 2016 #132
Many problems with that. First, Trump's name is his brand, second Don attacks other people who have Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #134
Another one standing with John Oliver Maeve Mar 2016 #133
Make Donald Drumpf again! Coventina Mar 2016 #138
What a great thread dumbcat Mar 2016 #141
I can agree awoke_in_2003 Mar 2016 #150
I prefer Trump (British slang for fart), which fits him spiritually and physically. nt Agnosticsherbet Mar 2016 #151
dRumpf, dRumpf dRumpf dRumpf dRumpf dRumpf dRumpf we can do it Mar 2016 #156
Can I still call his supporters Trumpkopfs? struggle4progress Mar 2016 #164
The implication isn't that he's German; it's that he comes from immigrants MuttLikeMe Mar 2016 #166
I have the google chrome extension, which made this post extra funny. basselope Mar 2016 #167
Completely agree with you Not doing so would be mocking anyone with that name karynnj Mar 2016 #176
No the point was that he whined and bitched about Jon Stewart's kdmorris Mar 2016 #178
NO n/t shanti Mar 2016 #189

longship

(40,416 posts)
1. Drumpf, Drumpf, Drumpf, Drumpf!
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 08:24 PM
Mar 2016

He hates it. That's why I will never not call him DRUMPF!

John Oliver was correct!

And just which race does that name malign? Privileged, rich, white, spoiled ego maniacs?
I did not know that they were so disadvantaged in this country.

So the ridicule stands.

DRUMPF, DRUMPF, DRUMPF, DRUMPF!

forest444

(5,902 posts)
52. I'm with you there, mein freund.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 09:55 PM
Mar 2016

To imply that Trump's ancestry has anything to do with his rhetoric, would be a slap in the face of tens of million of good German-Americans who won't have anything to do with hate speech and whose immigrant forbears were attacked and discriminated in the same way the Irish, Italians, Polish, and Chinese were in the 19th century.

It would also be an insult - even if unintended - to the memory of Baron von Steuben, Chester Nimitz, Dwight Eisenhower, Neil Armstrong, John Jacob Astor, Bill Boeing, Henry Heinz, Walter Reuther, Kurt Vonnegut, and so many others who enriched our lives (not to mention the many prominent German Jews in U.S. history).

It's simply a matter of respect.

pansypoo53219

(20,986 posts)
101. i think maybe i have to amp the kraut + add umlauts to my name. closer to the RIGHT spelling of it.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 12:12 AM
Mar 2016

if i could figure out how to type umlauts.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
111. How to type umlauts
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:22 AM
Mar 2016

In WordPerfect, go to the Symbol set via Ctrl+W and use code 1, 63: ö or 1, 71: ü (other letters
are available, also).

If you’re still in thrall to the Beast of Redmond, I can’t help you.

Sanity Claws

(21,850 posts)
127. WordPerfect is still around?
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 08:03 AM
Mar 2016

It was superior to Word but I had to switch so that others could open attachments to my email. I made the switch probably 15 years ago.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
137. I know what you mean about attachments. I've been pushing OpenOffice.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 10:35 AM
Mar 2016

Sometimes I compose the document in WordPerfect, then copy it into OpenOffice and attach it in that form. Many people have found they can open the attachment by using Word (or, in one case, WordPerfect, completing the cycle) without any download. If they can't, I tell them to go to OpenOffice.org and download the freeware. My experience was that the download and installation were completely hassle-free.

I'm very happy never to have paid Microsoft a dime for Word.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
145. In Windows, I've used the Character Map to find, copy and paste international characters...
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:51 AM
Mar 2016

...including accented letters such as umlaut letters, or kanjis, or whatever. It's the slow way to do it though.

forest444

(5,902 posts)
121. Try the Alt codes:
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 06:51 AM
Mar 2016

Once you memorize them (or some at least), it makes typing foreign names a lot easier. It really helps with Spanish and French, more so even than German. Tchüß!


Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
161. He'll always be "The Donald." Nothing is as stupid as that.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:51 PM
Mar 2016

I refuse the new presidential-candidate dignification of "Trump" for this jumped-up clown.

 

TipTok

(2,474 posts)
124. Not to jump on the German bandwagon...
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:25 AM
Mar 2016

... but it's like the difference between Adolf Hitler and Adolf Schickelgruber.

Warpy

(111,305 posts)
55. Trump is a phony, made up name
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 09:57 PM
Mar 2016

and he's a phony, made up man. Calling him Drumpf reminds him of that.

freedom fighter jh

(1,782 posts)
4. Thanks.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 08:26 PM
Mar 2016

Just because he shows no respect to anyone else is not a good reason not to show at least minimal respect to him.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
58. I don't care much for any name calling...
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 10:02 PM
Mar 2016

As much as I didn't like Bush, I don't care for people calling him Shrub, or Chimp.

I believe that the person who holds the office of Commander in Chief, and is our ceremonial head of state is deserving of the respect of the flag, the liberty bell etc.

I think name calling brings us down to the level of the republicans when we use childish name calling to belittle them. Of course Trump is not in that position, but still I think it brings us down more than him.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
144. He's earned the opposite of respect.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:31 AM
Mar 2016

He's a literal fascist.

I'll be damned if I'll give that narcissistic microprick an atom of respect. So Drumpf he is.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
66. We could just call him "That Short-Fingered Vulgarian" but it's too long to type.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 10:18 PM
Mar 2016

I'd rather not use his name at all, or ever hear it, or read references to it. Maybe after November he will crawl into a hole and we will never hear from him again. I should live so long!

For those who don't know where the OP title reference came from: Why Donald Trump Will Always Be a “Short-Fingered Vulgarian” http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2015/10/graydon-carter-donald-trump

MyOwnPeace

(16,936 posts)
24. I agree..............
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 09:10 PM
Mar 2016

the "anti-immigrant" was begat by immigrants (that sounds like something that he would find in Two Tims - otherwise known as Second Timothy, chapter unknown!)

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
6. Well in old english Drumpf literally means To Take a Dump.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 08:28 PM
Mar 2016

I read that on the internet, so you can be sure it is true.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
153. Yes.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:23 PM
Mar 2016

It was a riff on Trump's "he should be proud of his heritage" hypocritical slam of Jon Stewart.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,791 posts)
9. You have a point.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 08:30 PM
Mar 2016

Americans of German descent were often discriminated against during WWI. No point in bringing that kind of attitude back - we shouldn't be knocking anyone on account of their nationality, even though the intent of using the name "Drumpf" is to draw a connection to Hitler.

The coming of World War I brought with it a backlash against German culture in the United States. When the U.S. declared war on Germany in 1917, anti-German sentiment rose across the nation, and German American institutions came under attack. Some discrimination was hateful, but cosmetic: The names of schools, foods, streets, and towns, were often changed, and music written by Wagner and Mendelssohn was removed from concert programs and even weddings. Physical attacks, though rare, were more violent: German American businesses and homes were vandalized, and German Americans accused of being "pro-German" were tarred and feathered, and, in at least once instance, lynched.

https://www.loc.gov/teachers/classroommaterials/presentationsandactivities/presentations/immigration/german8.html

freedom fighter jh

(1,782 posts)
19. Thanks for that information.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 08:40 PM
Mar 2016

Couldn't agree more that "we shouldn't be knocking anyone on account of their nationality."

LibDemAlways

(15,139 posts)
38. Google "Crystal City, Texas." Thousands of Germans were interned during
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 09:24 PM
Mar 2016

WWII, including the family of a friend of mine. She gives lectures on that little known chapter of WWII history.

pansypoo53219

(20,986 posts)
103. i suppose they could have tried to wall in milwaukee, but we are full of others. just stopped print
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 12:18 AM
Mar 2016

of the german paper. since he is going full hitler, i am ok w/ short fingered Humpler.

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
12. In a way it's reminiscent IMHO
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 08:32 PM
Mar 2016

of certan quarters making a big deal of Obama's middle name, Hussein (Hi Hillary) or of Jindal's given name, Piyosh (numerous other Democrats including some in this group). It's OK when it's some other party's politician. Not really.

KentuckyWoman

(6,689 posts)
14. I've adopted Herr Hair.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 08:35 PM
Mar 2016

I used to go by Trumpenfuhrer but I like Herr Hair much better. He's all hair no sense just like Whistleass was all hat no sense.

Bucky

(54,039 posts)
86. You are wrong
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 10:56 PM
Mar 2016
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=race (from def #2)

"people of common descent," a word from the 16th century, from Middle French race, earlier razza "race, breed, lineage, family" (16c.), possibly from Italian razza, of unknown origin (cognate with Spanish and Portuguese raza). Etymologists say no connection with Latin radix "root," though they admit this might have influenced the "tribe, nation" sense.

Original senses in English included "wines with characteristic flavor" (1520), "group of people with common occupation" (c. 1500), and "generation" (1540s). Meaning "tribe, nation, or people regarded as of common stock" is by 1560s. Modern meaning of "one of the great divisions of mankind based on physical peculiarities" is from 1774 (though as OED points out, even among anthropologists there never has been an accepted classification of these).


References to the "German race" or "Chinese race" or even (in the words of John Adams) the "American race" are perfectly well understood by any educated listener and make logical sense. The uniquely narrow sense of "belonging to one of four specific divisions of the human species" is a modern (and ignorant and problematic) distortion of the word--a word that by the way holds no measurable sociological or scientific value.

unblock

(52,280 posts)
16. son of an austrian holocaust survivor here, with a germanic last name...
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 08:37 PM
Mar 2016

if we dug into the ancestry of any old candidate and picked a name just to make fun of them, especially if leaning on the stigma of any particular national origin, then yes, i'd agree with you.

but in this case, we started calling him "drumpf" only after he strongly established his own xenophobia and bigotry towards people of certain heritages that he apparently deems un-american. in fact, i believe john oliver, who brought us this bit of trivia, said trump at some point had criticized another for having changed their name to make it sound more american.

it's not to make a mockery of the fact that his heritage is german. it's to make a mockery of the fact that his heritage also lies outside the united states.

it points out his hypocrisy, not his particular national ancestry.

personally i'm all for calling him "drumpf".

chwaliszewski

(1,514 posts)
36. This ^^^
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 09:22 PM
Mar 2016

John Oliver pointing out Donald's hypocrisy. His ancestry could be Swiss for all I care. It's the blatant hypocrisy.

Drumpf!

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
146. Yep. John Oliver pointed out that Drumpf told Jon Stewart...
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 11:57 AM
Mar 2016

...to "be proud of his heritage" and use his birth name.

Well, it goes both ways...

freedom fighter jh

(1,782 posts)
154. I see your point.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:29 PM
Mar 2016

But it still hits my buttons. If I called him Drumpf, I wouldn't expect people to know the history (of his hypocrisy) that I was referring to. So I'd feel like I was smearing his German ancestry.

But if it doesn't bother you, someone who has much more reason than I have to be sensitive, then I guess you really can make that distinction, as can many who have replied to this thread. I seem to be missing nuance.

yortsed snacilbuper

(7,939 posts)
22. I wonder what dubya calls him,
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 08:49 PM
Mar 2016

dubya used to give everybody a nickname, I think he called rove "Turd blossom", so if it's good enough for dubya, it's good enough for me

pnwmom

(108,989 posts)
26. I know what you mean. But it's going to be awfully hard to sustain
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 09:15 PM
Mar 2016

the "we're better than that" policy when we see what he throws at either of our candidates in the General.

freedom fighter jh

(1,782 posts)
155. Hard but maybe important.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:35 PM
Mar 2016

One thing I love about Bernie is the way he distinguishes issues from people. If he gets the nomination, I believe he will keep that up.

I agree with you that Trump is likely to go lower than campaigns have gone in the past. I hope Democrats can find a way not to be part of that.

mac56

(17,574 posts)
29. He ripped Jon Stewart for changing his name.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 09:16 PM
Mar 2016

Claimed that Jon was "ashamed of his heritage."

The name change was quite justified if you know Jon's story.

So no, I see no need to cut Drumpf any slack. YMMV.

freedom fighter jh

(1,782 posts)
157. That was typical Trumpian hypocrisy.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:45 PM
Mar 2016

I guess I just have trouble understanding the response to it.

What is "YMMV"?

mac56

(17,574 posts)
158. Your mileage may vary.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:46 PM
Mar 2016

Not sure what is gained by pointing out that it was typical Trumpian (or Drumpfian) hypocrisy.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
30. DRUMPF, DRUMPF, DRUMPF, DRUMPF, DRUMPF, DRUMPF, DRUMPF, DRUMPF,
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 09:16 PM
Mar 2016

I like the way DRUMPF sounds. I also like the way it looks typed out!

DRUMPF, DRUMPF, DRUMPF, DRUMPF, DRUMPF, DRUMPF, DRUMPF, DRUMPF,


Did I mention that I am also part German? Well I am.


DRUMPF, DRUMPF, DRUMPF, DRUMPF, DRUMPF, DRUMPF, DRUMPF, DRUMPF,

booksenkatz

(3,466 posts)
33. Thanks, glad I'm not alone on this one.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 09:18 PM
Mar 2016

1. Xenophobia is unnecessary. We can beat Trump on the issues.
2. Most people have a relative who Anglicized a surname, as my maiden name was.
3. Did you know that the French find our "th" sound to be extremely odd?
4. Have a nice evening.

freedom fighter jh

(1,782 posts)
159. Thank you. (kinda late, but I've been busy and not able to keep up with this thread)
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:48 PM
Mar 2016

Yes, I'd much prefer to beat Trump on the issues. That should be easy because he never says anything of substance, just plays to the crowd.

Months ago, when I was still trying to watch the debates, I noticed that the one debate that Trump skipped was the one with the most substance. I think it was because he wasn't there. He has a way of bringing the discussion down to his level.

eilen

(4,950 posts)
34. It's Drumpf
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 09:20 PM
Mar 2016

After all, we would not want to be politically correct. I hear that he and his fans can't stand that.

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
35. I call him Drumpf because he reminds me of Adolf Hitler. I'm 3/4 German.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 09:21 PM
Mar 2016

Real Germans hate fascists and the Nazi's too. This has nothing to do with the German people of today.

Zambero

(8,965 posts)
40. Yes, this is the "progressive" equivalent of "Barry Hussein Obama"
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 09:28 PM
Mar 2016

By any measure, Trump himself is abundantly flawed. There is plenty to criticize, indeed condemn. There is no need to dilute or distract from that message by mocking his ancestral name.

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
42. He has followers at his rallies doing the Nazi Salute
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 09:32 PM
Mar 2016

If people want to call him Drumpf, I frankly have no big problem with that. It's kinda immature- but he's the one making the connection far more than some anonymous posters on DU

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
188. He asked them to raise their right hands (to swear to vote I believe)
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 07:36 PM
Mar 2016

But he put his arm out when he said it. I would say he knew he what he was imitating.

freedom fighter jh

(1,782 posts)
191. Probably he did know.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 07:45 PM
Mar 2016

He's not as dumb as he comes across.

I'm guessing his encouragement of the Nazi stuff is a way to pander to White supremacists. I hope that's all it is.

w0nderer

(1,937 posts)
46. Ok, alternate "grofaz usa"
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 09:45 PM
Mar 2016

Many german soldiers Deridingly called Hitler GROFAZ Gr0ssest fuhrer alle zeite


would that work for you?
that wouldn't be racist right?
specially not since i'm of germanic/scandinavian/finno/russian mix stock


or
MAFLIUSA maffliusa...kinda catchy..i likes
Most Accepted Facist Leader In USA
?
so many options so many acronyms so little time to play around with them

Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
47. I believe the reason Drumph caught fire
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 09:46 PM
Mar 2016

was due to Trump's making fun of Jon Stewart not going by his family's original name.

Reap what you sow.

UTUSN

(70,721 posts)
48. Yip it's about the immigrant-vs-immigrant thing not the Germanic thing. so *DRUMPF* forever!1
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 09:47 PM
Mar 2016

And especially if we are doomed to 4 or 8 (or more) years of this (what expletive is acceptable for me to apply to him?!1).

Instead of "DRUMPF" may I use substitute words like ("REPULSIVE" "DETESTABLE" "IGNOMINIOUS" come to mind) - like we all need one another's permission for anything.

How about my calling him a-hole?!1


As for "The Drumpf thing just sounds racist to me" - well, all the *f-ing CRAP* HE spouts "SOUNDS F-ING RACIST TO ME"!1 tyvm (Please put me on Ignore for you to avoid all the myriad times I'm going to post "DRUMPF"!1)

UTUSN

(70,721 posts)
187. "DRUMPF" helps *me* by communicating my little stand & what he represents to me.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 07:23 PM
Mar 2016

You know, your P.o.V. is yours to have and I credit your O.P. as being sincere, and therefore *not* flamebait, but this late in the thread you have *way* established that nothing anybody has said will ever change your mind about this, and you have every right to stick to your position, so time for me at least to bid adieu on this.

And as I say, I don't call this flamebait, but it has some of the characteristics of flame bait: 1- Posting something that inherently elicits contentious repies. 2- Posting in scorched earth mode, never to be swayed. 3- Rebuffing all attempts at reasonable explanation. 4- Going on and on, no end in sight.

freedom fighter jh

(1,782 posts)
190. I appreciate your reply.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 07:42 PM
Mar 2016

You said you're done with this thread, but I'm writing just in case you're reading, or maybe someone else interested in the discussion is reading.

I have come to understand that people, apparently lots, see calling him "Drumpf" as a way to express their feelings about his bigotry. I tried to acknowledge that in a couple of replies. After a while I got tired of repeating it.

I do appreciate your showing me how this looks from a point of view other than my own.

If I had the whole thing to do over again, I would not phrase it as a request. I didn't think it out that far, because I expected maybe 5 people to see it and 2 to reply, at best, because two replies is about the best I've ever done with an OP. Of course people have every right to express themselves any way they want, and the request was kind of a rhetorical way for me to raise the issue for discussion. I don't like people shaking their fingers at me either, but, as I said, I didn't give it so much thought before I posted as to see it that way.

Hayduke Bomgarte

(1,965 posts)
50. I got onto drumpf
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 09:49 PM
Mar 2016

While watching an HBO John Oliver episode, where Oliver noted drumpfs mockery of someone else for "americanizing" their surname, obviously, according to drumpf, out of shame of his heritage. Then Oliver pointed out that, although drumpf himself didn't make the change, his own father did, which should have warranted, but did not receive the same disdain.

So no, I won't be giving up the drumpf. He will forever more be drumpf to me. Sorry for your sensibilities, but fuck drumpf sideways.

Mira

(22,380 posts)
51. Opinion from a German immigrant who has not forgotten her mother tongue.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 09:50 PM
Mar 2016

Drumpf is nothing but a German sounding word, it means nothing. To me saying "Drumpf" is no more an insult or labeling him evil than an indication that, like other Americans with immigrant heritage, he too is one of us.

I like referring to him as Drumpf. To me calling him that name is no more than a silly emotionally soothing attempt at minimizing his impact, and make him look a bit ridiculous and again, to me, it is not a way to make him look racist, he does that all by himself.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
54. how are the Daesh doing
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 09:57 PM
Mar 2016

although I don't think comparing Trump to a terrorist group (ISIL, IS etc, no not the cat) is the best thing in the world they hate being called The Daesh. I'd rather call twit that name than attack other democrats at the moment and we've had enough of that. some of us know how we'll be voting some of us don't I won't say here who I won't vote for. but you can guess and now won't answer. But thats just me. I have certain prinicples I won't cross and others are different

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
56. I prefer The Dumpster.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 09:58 PM
Mar 2016

I didn't know Drumpf was his ancestral family name.

However The Dumpster needs to put his political ambitions into... the dumpster.

moonbeam23

(313 posts)
57. NO
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 10:00 PM
Mar 2016

we can't...his hypocrisy is epic and needs to be called out..it has nothing to do with national groups (i'm part german)

Personally, i prefer Drumpfenfueher...gets both his immigrant roots and his Hitler imitation at once

Response to freedom fighter jh (Original post)

blogslut

(38,006 posts)
61. I have a browser addon that changes his name to "some rich asshole"
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 10:04 PM
Mar 2016

And it makes life bearable. I will continue to type 'Drumpf' forever because, to me, it is a clumsy, clunky name and fits him more than his progenitors chosen name.

My family name is German.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
62. He's also known as Fuckface Von Clownstick, and he's a person who has trash talked others for
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 10:05 PM
Mar 2016

changing their names for showbiz, just as Jon Stewart.
"If John [sic] Stewart is so above it all & legit, why did he change his name from Jonathan Leibowitz? He should be proud of his heritage."

So Drumpf it is. Or Von Clownstick. It's dealer's choice.

BeanMusical

(4,389 posts)
69. Interesting article.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 10:21 PM
Mar 2016
Donald Trump's ex-wife once said Trump kept a book of Hitler's speeches by his bed

According to a 1990 Vanity Fair interview, Ivana Trump once told her lawyer Michael Kennedy that her husband, real-estate mogul Donald Trump, now a leading Republican presidential candidate, kept a book of Hitler's speeches near his bed.

"Last April, perhaps in a surge of Czech nationalism, Ivana Trump told her lawyer Michael Kennedy that from time to time her husband reads a book of Hitler's collected speeches, My New Order, which he keeps in a cabinet by his bed ... Hitler's speeches, from his earliest days up through the Phony War of 1939, reveal his extraordinary ability as a master propagandist," Marie Brenner wrote.

...

When Brenner asked Trump about how he came to possess Hitler's speeches, "Trump hesitated" and then said, "Who told you that?"

...

After Trump and Brenner changed topics, Trump returned to the subject and reportedly said, "If, I had these speeches, and I am not saying that I do, I would never read them."


http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trumps-ex-wife-once-said-he-kept-a-book-of-hitlers-speeches-by-his-bed-2015-8

AnnieBW

(10,444 posts)
72. I agree.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 10:26 PM
Mar 2016

I'm half German. My Grandfather was conscripted into WWI, and split for America as soon as he could after the war was over. Two of my uncles fought the Nazis in WWII - one was on Ike's staff. Not all Germans are evil, and painting The Donald with his grandfather's real name is an ethnic slur against Germans. I understand that Stephen Colbert has French ancestry, and the French don't like the Germans very much. But, let's call him something different. I use "Il Douche" or "Der Trumpenfuhrer."

freedom fighter jh

(1,782 posts)
170. Thanks, Annie.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:11 PM
Mar 2016

I guess it's a matter of perception. I posted this thread because i see "drumpf" as an ethnic slur against Germans, but many, many people seem to feel otherwise. See upthread.

I like "der Trumpenfuhrer." It seems to capture his Nazi tendencies.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
73. Drumpf, Drumpf, Drumpf, Drumpf!
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 10:26 PM
Mar 2016

It is called calling him out on his hypocrisy about immigration.

Are you sure it is a German name, not Scottish or Welsh or Irish or something else.

Submariner

(12,506 posts)
75. NO !
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 10:31 PM
Mar 2016

Drumpf made a big deal of criticing John Stewart for changing his last name saying people should be proud of their names and not change names.

Just a little well deserved shaming.

freedom fighter jh

(1,782 posts)
172. That's good!
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:14 PM
Mar 2016

Very funny.

Kinda ironic, cuz it's not that hard to stump the trump. He's just full of hot air.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
80. That isn't why I call him "Drumpf" at all!
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 10:42 PM
Mar 2016

My pointing out his real name is to DE-emphasize the branding of his fake name.

One more reason to uncover the festering orange colored hate pimple that needs to be popped.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
82. The OP knows this, but hey you cannot expect the Fake Outrage train to slow down
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 10:48 PM
Mar 2016

just because the FACTS have been pointed out. Also, when did Germany become a race of people, I must have missed that memo.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
183. Your OP is garbage, but how clever you were in your Trump humping on DU.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 06:52 PM
Mar 2016

Of course you know by now the reason people call him that, yet you don't care at all. Why is that?

freedom fighter jh

(1,782 posts)
185. You said facts had been pointed out.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 07:16 PM
Mar 2016

What were you talking about?

Yes, I know why people call him that. If you want to talk about why people call him that, you are free to do so. It is not what I was writing about. That may explain why I seem not to care about it.

freedom fighter jh

(1,782 posts)
174. I had not thought of it that way.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:19 PM
Mar 2016

Yes, the name "Trump" does come with a lot of branding and I can see how you would want to challenge that.

I lived in NYC for a long time, so, branding or no branding, my own associations to "Trump" are not kind to him in the first place.

freedom fighter jh

(1,782 posts)
186. You've given me your opinion so I'm supposed to delete my OP?
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 07:18 PM
Mar 2016

How does that work?

Every time someone disagrees with you, do you then take back your original statement?

Bucky

(54,039 posts)
81. 1- Yes, it's an anti-immigrant joke, 2- Yes, it's bigoted, 3- No, people won't stop
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 10:43 PM
Mar 2016

Ask Socrates to explain it to you, before the hemlock kicks in, but one downside of democracy is that it often rewards emotionally charged hate-speech with undue attention and popularity. And sadly, Democrats are nearly just as willing as Republicans to wallow in Nativist bigotry like calling a politician we don't like by a foreign sounding name.

I agree with you that it's pretty hypocritical for so-called liberals to distort Trump's birthname as a bandwagon rally cry. Thank you for calling out the LINOs. They make me sad too.

freedom fighter jh

(1,782 posts)
175. Thanks, Bucky.
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:21 PM
Mar 2016

I don't think I really expected people to stop. I'm not sure why I started the discussion -- I thought maybe 1 or 2 DUers would reply, if I was lucky, and it might be a short, interesting discussion. I did not expect the vitriol.

Deadshot

(384 posts)
83. No.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 10:50 PM
Mar 2016

Drumpf is acting like a Nazi and we should associate his German heritage with his former last name.

BTW, German isn't a race.

lame54

(35,302 posts)
85. it's attached to a joke...
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 10:51 PM
Mar 2016

if you don't know the joke you don't get it

until you get it you can't ask others to not use it

Turborama

(22,109 posts)
108. It was posted in the V&M group a few times.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 12:51 AM
Mar 2016

I don't know if it was posted in GD, but several people (including the OP) seem to have missed the origins of the campaign to "Make Donald Drumpf Again".



Turborama

(22,109 posts)
93. It's actually none of those. It's simply a campaign to dilute his brand name.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 11:17 PM
Mar 2016

To rub off the polish from the turd, as it were.

Skip to 18 minutes in to get to the context of this...

Iggo

(47,561 posts)
104. I know where it comes from.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 12:20 AM
Mar 2016

I was just trying to help the OP find the right word for what he was trying to say.

DrewFlorida

(1,096 posts)
91. I can see your point of view......but I disagree.....I see Drumpf as....living proof of.....
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 11:08 PM
Mar 2016

Trump being fake, a con-artist!

fullautohotdog

(90 posts)
94. Yes, please.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 11:18 PM
Mar 2016

Be better than the GOP bigots, everyone. None of this "Yur name sounds furin'! Yah furin'er!" crap like they do with the president. Yes, it's just as offensive.

Don't pick on his physical appearance, either. You wouldn't like it if someone called out Hillary's Resting Bitch Face, or picked on Bernie's "Jew-fro."

He's a bully jackass media whore. He has control over that. Call him that.

snort

(2,334 posts)
95. He gave Jon Stewart shit about his name
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 11:23 PM
Mar 2016

and when he did that he made his fair game, period. Don't want shit thrown back at you don't toss it in the first place.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
96. No. He's an asshole, and DRUMPF sounds like a name that an asshole would want to change to
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 11:33 PM
Mar 2016

something stupid...like TRUMP.

And "racist?" He's a white man who paints himself orange.


You do realize that many Jews are also Germans--they aren't mutually exclusive situations. In fact, many Israeli kids (as well as Jewish young adults from other nations) are using their "right of return" to obtain German passports that they are entitled to, based on their grandparents (many of whom were killed by Hitler). They are Jews. They are also GERMANS. The passport makes it easier for them to find work in the EU and some take them for that reason--others want to re-connect with their heritage--they have as much right to it as anyone, if not even more right, given the suffering of their ancestors.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4076384,00.html

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2012/03/an_american_jew_becomes_a_german_citizen_.html

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/23/germany-israel-citizenship



Article 116 par 2 of Germany’s Basic Law reads:

Former German citizens who between January 30, 1933 and May 8, 1945 were deprived of their citizenship on political, racial, or religious grounds, and their descendants, shall on application have their citizenship restored. They shall be deemed never to have been deprived of their citizenship if they have established their domicile in Germany after May 8, 1945 and have not expressed a contrary intention.
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
97. Okay, after much thought I will out of respect for his 'race' call him Donald Dump from now on.
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 11:41 PM
Mar 2016

No reference to Drumpf. You have convinced me, I will bookmark this thread so that people can know it was YOU that made me change my mind to Donald Dump. Thank you.

IronLionZion

(45,484 posts)
98. It's not about race or the Holocaust
Sun Mar 20, 2016, 11:42 PM
Mar 2016

it's mainly because it sounds funny and he hates it. It's like calling ISIS as Daesh. At some point we were all immigrants. There's no shame in reminding voters that Drumpf's the child and grandchild of immigrants.

Anti-immigrant bashing is not new. Subsequent generations of immigrants have often gone on to bash the newer immigrants. There was a time when Americans didn't like Jews, or Italians, or Irish, or whatever even though they were white. Later some of those folks felt they were more American than newer immigrants from non-white countries.

Even though my grandparents immigrated to America (like Drumpf!) I am straight up blocked out from many government clearance projects and jobs because people strongly believe that Americans are white and brown people are immigrants. See how they claimed that our president is Kenyan. They have even used race to undermine their own Republican governors of southern states.

Let's make Donald Drumpf again.

americannightmare

(322 posts)
100. You need to see the John Oliver clip...
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 12:00 AM
Mar 2016

This has nothing to do with the origin of the name, and everything to do with Drumpf insisting that Jon Stewart is ashamed of his name and shouldn't have changed it, when clearly Drumpf's family is not proud of their name. Besides, you're essentially asking us to give someone respect who doesn't deserve it. No one who talks about other human beings the way Drumpf does deserves my respect.

burfman

(264 posts)
106. good point ffjh - didn't use it in the past and now I surely won't be using it.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 12:37 AM
Mar 2016

FFJH,

I've been seeing the name tossed around du lately and never made the German connection. I just figured it was a rhyme on his name like the Trumpster. It's hard for me to view Trump as anything other than American......just as much as P.T. Barnum - who also was born in the US, was a Republican, served four terms in the Connecticut Legislature and was mayor of Bridgeport, Conn. He also ran for Congress but lost to a 3-rd cousin - perhaps the man who invented the phrase "There's a sucker born every minute" didn't aim high enough.....

I'm wondering if the League of Women Voters were still running the debates instead of the cable networks whether Trump would be in the lead for the Republican spot. I think that once the debates were turned into a profit making enterprise for the media it led to this - the debates being pushed to deliver high ratings above all else. Though recently I looked up what Ted Cruz's 5 point plan is about and I must admit he is trying hard to make Trump look like the rational one........ Whatever happened to the more centralist members of the party like Weicker and Baker back in the 70's - it's pretty sad where it is today.....

Another thing to ponder is if Trump obtains the nomination - how do you think he will go about selecting his VP? I'm imagining the candidates on one table and across the room Trump sitting with some of his advisers at another table facing them. Just like his old reality show,..... you can hear the sound track - dum dum DUM........

burfman......




http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2492472.1452515721!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_635/graphic-trump-0111.jpg




Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
107. Kick'd n rec'd, because I value your viewpoint...
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 12:43 AM
Mar 2016

I don't agree with it. For many of the reasons given here.

When I first saw people using Donald Drumpf I thought it was one of those names that a parent heard their child use. I had no idea this was his family name from how ever far back. It was after someone posted a video of their child saying "I don't want Donald Dumpf to win, that is how the kid pronounced his name, he is five. So, I see Drumpf and I think it's another cute kid pronunciation of the name. I thought it was kind of childish, but cute in the way only a five year old can be. Then I started seeing the real story behind the name and I am fully behind the logic of calling him Drumpf. People have nationalities pointing them out isn't racist unless you start ascribing traits and insinuating that they are inferior because of that race. I am pretty sure anyone from any race can be a short fingered vulgarian or a talking yam. Bullies like Drumpf don't stop being bullies just because you play nice with them. So, I won't be playing nice. I am a kind of an in your face kind of person I know I come of as being uber nice, but that's because most people are nice to me.

jmowreader

(50,561 posts)
109. THANK you!
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 01:17 AM
Mar 2016

As someone who was bullied continuously through school for my uncommon name, I've grown to DESPISE anyone who calls Donald Trump that. Can't we concentrate on pointing out his fucked-in-the-head plans without jumping on his name?

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
112. I've never understood DU's obsession with odd names for those we don't like.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 02:37 AM
Mar 2016

Reminds me of junior high.

Trump doesn't care a fig about DU, if he even knows it exists, so calling him another name does nothing.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
118. Well, "Tweety" seems somewhat logical.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 03:16 AM
Mar 2016

Matthews has strikingly blond hair, and the cartoon character Tweety is a little yellow bird. I've always assumed that the color was the connection.

UTUSN

(70,721 posts)
139. Here're are both the etymology and the context of "Tweety". U've been here forever, thought you knew
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 10:58 AM
Mar 2016

Etymology of "Tweety". During Campaign 2000 the media noise machine was swooning over the nicknames Shrub was giving some of them. Media Whores Online ran a contest to nickname Chris MATTHEWS. In the first three or so weeks, there was no clear, catchy front runner, with "The Screamer" sort of leading. Then one of MATTHEWS's own Hardball staff leaked to MWO that they themselves called him "Tweety" because of the Clairol shade of hair coloring he favored. This was immediately declared the winner. But in some quarters, it wasn't entirely satisfactory. For one thing, by the time the name was declared, the shade had changed to platinum, leading to a suggestion he be called "Carole LOMBARD".




Plus, "Tweety" sounded too affectionate.

Then M-TV held its 20th or 25th or whatever anniversary, and all the cable echo chambers were doing segments of Britney shedding her duds down to almost nothing. Not to be left behind, Tweety followed suit, with a guest "culture" commentator from Time Mag, the young humor columnist, Joel STEIN. The staff kept re-running the Britney clip, and Tweety was clearly DROOLING disgustingly. STEIN said, "You're beginning to creep me out." Tweety responded, "Yeah, well, wait till YOU're 50." This led to the suggestion that "Tweety" be modified to "Tweezer" to retain the hair reference while canceling out the affection factor and also adding the (dirty old) "geezer" angle.

Darrell HAMMOND "Doing" Tweety on SNL. Tweety's ego was massively stroked after the debut of HAMMOND's impersonation of him, either in 2001 or 2002. He said, "I am now an ICON: I have been 'done' on Saturday Night Live'." The funniest line in the debut was HAMMOND as Tweety, cracking himself up with, [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]"For the ... FIFTY ... people who watch this show[/FONT]...” (Hardball, not SNL). In the first few times HAMMOND featured him, the target was Tweety himself -- manically interrupting, spitting, and drooling. However, the characterization evolved, not true to the original, where Tweety became the "rational" character surrounded by oddball, extremist "guests", with HAMMOND-Tweety shaking his head in disbelief at their partisan spin.

"Turning" from Being a Democrat. He (like G.E.RUSSERT and Pat CADDELL) still trades on having been a Democrat in the CARTER/O'NEILL era. In the hothouse of big time political flunkydom, STATUS and POWER come from the SUCCESS of your boss. RAYGUN kicked Tweety's bosses' rears, and Tweety gravitated to admiring that "success". When he started up his media career he was mentored by G.E. RUSSERT, who had himself already started "turning" by "reaching out" to LIMBOsevic and expending his formerly-Lib-bleeding-heart on those poor wingnuts who had been maligned and marginalized by the Liberal Elite, lo those many years. Tweety started doing video valentines to RAYGUN, promenading arm in arm with Nancy. He might have tapped into the frenzy of the FAKE impeachment, but "hatred of the CLINTONs" isn't what made him turn. The last time he was identifiably a Democrat was sometime around 1988 when Hardball (the book) was published. Throughout the year of Campaign 2000 he savaged the Dem candidate daily and went on to years of bromance over Shrub, renouncing any Democratic heritage. He said his parents were “cloth coat" (Rethugs), and that basically what first drew him to the Dem side was Irish-Catholic pride over JFK. Not ideology, not idealism. He said the reason he joined the Peace Corps was specifically to avoid going to Vietnam.

How Tweety "Executed" DONAHUE on MSNBC. Tweety was on his book tour for another one of his "books" (large type, wide spaces between lines, blank half-pages). It was in the jingoistic hysteria in the run-up to the illegal Iraq attack. The book was about supposed "Americanism" -- an American Civ 101 ripoff about books and movies and cultural stuff that are essentially American (think, "The Great Gatsby&quot . So Phil welcomed him as a colleague and peer on Phil's MSNBC show for the full hour to plug the book. From the moment he appeared, there was a strange, deadly snake look in Tweety's snake eyes. Phil was walking around the audience, apparently not sensing anything, while Tweety was motionless, following him only with his eyes. Phil brought up something or other questioning blind, kneejerk jingoism, and Tweety STRUCK! He started out with venom dripping, "You see, THIS is EXACTLY what's wrong with YOU Liberals: You are NEGATIVE about this country, you find NOTHING good about it," and on and on. It took awhile before Phil figured out what was happening. Later, Phil, devastated and spent, was sitting at the table with Tweety and, weaker and weaker, did some of his trademark shoulder shrugging and arm waving. Tweety delivered the coup de grace, "What's THIS (mimicking the movements)??!! What's with the --APE-- movements???!" Days or a week or two later, Phil's cancellation was announced and took effect.

How Tweety "Triggered" a Gun Incident (re: Kathleen WILLEY). At the height of the FAKE impeachment, Ms WILLEY claimed that a mystery jogger had threatened her or her cat or somebody, with the insinuation that there was a CLINTON connection. Several months later, there was gossip that the jogger had been identified. Tweety hosted her and it appeared they had discussed the identity off camera. He tried mightily to get her to say the name on the air, which she wouldn't do. Finally, he himself blurted it out, "Was it (Name/Surname)?" She wouldn’t confirm it. Within days there was a bizarre incident, with the mentally disabled brother of Pat and Bay BUCHANAN going with a gun to the house of the supposed jogger named by Tweety, where there were only some foreign exchange students present. Later it was determined that the person Tweety named on the air had NOTHING to do with the supposed jogger incident.

"Heroes" Tweety and Tom DeLAY. In the aftermath of the 07-24-98 shooting of two Capitol police officers when the slain officers were duly eulogized and called heroes, Tweety latched on to this, the way we have seen him attempt to glorify himself in other instances: Like saying he was assigned to Africa in the Peace Corps and "WALKED THE SAME GROUND" THAT CHURCHILL had passed through. Or when he said, "I am an ICON! I have been 'done' by SNL!". So now that the Capitol policemen were being called heroes, Tweety came forward to say that HE had been a Capitol policemen, TOO, JUST LIKE THEM, when he was starting out. It turns out that he had worked a (temporary?) job for three months as that. In all the years before the officers were shot and eulogized, he probably NEVER referred to that job, most likely thinking of it as a rent-a-cop turn, until he could see in retrospect the glory that he had been DESTINED to from the beginning.

But he is not the only glory hog. When that incident was happening, the news of the moment reported that Tom DELAY had hopped a plane out of town and immediately turned around in Houston when the incident was over. This show of courage is why he has been dubbed, "Tom-DePLANE!-DePLANE!-DELAY".

But searches of countless news reports of that time show no mention of the hopping-the-plane. Only this is left:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm /... "...House members, many rushing out of town, did not have to remain behind. DeLay slipped out the main door of the Capitol less than 15 minutes after the shooting. He looked stricken. Asked if he'd seen anything, he said, "Did I ever. I don't want to talk about it." Aides rushed him into his waiting car. ...."
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whathehell

(29,069 posts)
129. Not about German ancestry, IMO, I thought it Scottish, in fact.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 08:10 AM
Mar 2016

I think it' being highlighted, legitimately or not, because

1. It sounds awkward, almost unpronounceable.

2. It can be viewed as part of his phoniness, e.g. a fake name.

KitSileya

(4,035 posts)
132. I agree with you. Doing that gives them licence to deadname people.
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 08:23 AM
Mar 2016

We are better than them. That's a big part of who we are, that we do better than them. They like to be bigoted asshats that deadname Chelsea Manning, Caitlin Jenner et. al, and when we don't use the name Donald Trump chose, we are asshats too. We are on par with those who keep calling President Obama 'Barry Hussein Soetoro' - do we really want to sink to those depths?

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
134. Many problems with that. First, Trump's name is his brand, second Don attacks other people who have
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 08:57 AM
Mar 2016

altered their surnames for professional reasons when he also has. It is offensive to invoke transgender persons who have entirely new identities with Trump.

In the US 'German names' are not an issue at all, Eisenhower, Gephardt, Daschle. Busch, Schlitz, Pabst. Grohl, Durst, Beiderbecke. Lange, Rateznberg, Heigle.

What's NYC without the Guggenheim or the Brooklyn Bridge, built by Roebling Sr then Jr?

All day we could do this.

Maeve

(42,287 posts)
133. Another one standing with John Oliver
Mon Mar 21, 2016, 08:34 AM
Mar 2016

Besides, one thing the devil and the short-fingered vulgarian have in common is they can't stand ridicule. (one among many things, but...)

MuttLikeMe

(279 posts)
166. The implication isn't that he's German; it's that he comes from immigrants
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 03:59 PM
Mar 2016

Like the immigrants he trashes in his rally speeches. That's the point John Oliver was making. He was pointing out the hypocrisy in Trump's words.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
176. Completely agree with you Not doing so would be mocking anyone with that name
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:22 PM
Mar 2016

As to Trump himself, he was born and given the name Donald Trump. This is as silly as the Republicans that tried to make something of the fact that Kerry's paternal grandfather changed the family name from Kohn to Kerry and their Jewish religion to Catholicism. In fact, he was named John Kerry, just as his father was named Richard Kerry when they were born -- and both were baptized as babies. We look similarly stupid making this an issue.

The fact is that many many names were anglicized or completely changed when families came to the US. In this case, the name was simply anglicized.

kdmorris

(5,649 posts)
178. No the point was that he whined and bitched about Jon Stewart's
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 04:24 PM
Mar 2016

"real" last name and harrangued him for not using his father's name when Trump as in the EXACT same situation and didn't use his father's name.

Has nothing to do with his German ancestry... has everything to do with his hypocrisy....

(I am of German ancestry myself... both sides... long lines back into the 1700's).

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