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Earth_First

(14,910 posts)
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 09:19 PM Mar 2016

PBS News Story on First-Time Trump Voters Prominently Displays Longtime White Power Tattoos

Last night, PBS NewsHour ran a story on the Tilly family of Fayetteville, North Carolina. The Tillys do not have a history of being active in politics, but various members of the family—both old and young—are being motivated to vote or work for a campaign for the first time by Donald Trump.

If you can put aside the fact that the Tillys are rallying behind Trump, this is a small but almost heartwarming story of a family choosing to engage with democracy. That’s also if you can put aside the fact that Grace, one of the central characters in the story, has large white power tattoos on each of her hands.

Above, you see Grace phone banking for Donald Trump, with the Celtic Cross tattoo on her right hand. Despite the tattoo being in plain view of PBS’ cameras, the story never acknowledges that it is interviewing a walking white power billboard. The Anti-Defamation League explains that the Celtic Cross is one of the most “commonly used white supremacist symbols.”

In another shot, we see Grace’s left hand, which bears the number 88:

Per the ADL’s website, “88 is a white supremacist numerical code for ‘Heil Hitler.’”

http://gawker.com/pbs-news-story-on-first-time-trump-voters-prominently-f-1765284316

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PBS News Story on First-Time Trump Voters Prominently Displays Longtime White Power Tattoos (Original Post) Earth_First Mar 2016 OP
The KKK love Trump. bravenak Mar 2016 #1
OK, I accept the "88", that's well-known. But the Celtic Cross?!?!? Coventina Mar 2016 #2
There is a lot of celtic and runic imagery among the white supremacy organizations... Earth_First Mar 2016 #4
I refuse to accept that. I have a Celtic knot tattoo and Celtic cross stickers all over my car. Coventina Mar 2016 #6
Aw, I too am sorry this has been done. Hugin Mar 2016 #9
I'm of Scandinavian ancestry and the Neo-Nazis' appropriation of Norse symbols... Odin2005 Mar 2016 #12
Their version of it does not look like a true Celtic Cross ProudToBeBlueInRhody Mar 2016 #5
OK, I just googled the image and it in no way resembles a traditional Celtic Cross. Coventina Mar 2016 #7
neither would I, and you are not alone at the anger over the misappropriation. KittyWampus Mar 2016 #13
It makes me angry that they even call it that! I mean, it really looks like a gunsight symbol. Coventina Mar 2016 #16
It is part and parcel of the white identity movement nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #17
Which still makes zero sense to me. I was raised Presbyterian Coventina Mar 2016 #19
As I like to tell people... nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #20
LOL, yeah, that's a good one!! Coventina Mar 2016 #21
What would Adolf do? Initech Mar 2016 #3
It is their symbol to promote racism Jenny_92808 Mar 2016 #8
PBS has responded Enrique Mar 2016 #10
If you look at her Facebook page, she "liked" "American White History Month"...... Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2016 #11
no, it's about her Celtic religious beliefs Enrique Mar 2016 #14
Interesting that they're white supremacists that didn't bother to vote ecstatic Mar 2016 #15
When Trump said, I am getting new voters to the polls nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #18

Coventina

(27,172 posts)
2. OK, I accept the "88", that's well-known. But the Celtic Cross?!?!?
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 09:23 PM
Mar 2016

I refuse to accept that as being a white supremacist symbol.

They do NOT get to co-opt that and I have NEVER heard of it being a "commonly used white supremacist symbol".

Earth_First

(14,910 posts)
4. There is a lot of celtic and runic imagery among the white supremacy organizations...
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 09:34 PM
Mar 2016

Even the SPLC acknowledges the imagery in tattoos among white supremacists.

It's unfortunate that it's been co-opted, I agree.

Coventina

(27,172 posts)
6. I refuse to accept that. I have a Celtic knot tattoo and Celtic cross stickers all over my car.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 09:39 PM
Mar 2016

I have more than one Celtic cross necklace and tons of Celtic jewelry (as well as Asian, Native American, Hawaiian, and other cultural jewelry).

I never in a million years would have ever imagined such a thing. As I said - I've never even HEARD of this until now!!

I'm shocked and angry.

Hugin

(33,207 posts)
9. Aw, I too am sorry this has been done.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 02:30 AM
Mar 2016

I'm heartened to hear your resistance to the racist revisionist reassignment and capture of religious symbols.

It has been like this for awhile, ever since getting a swastika tattoo became a means to insure oneself of perpetual pariah status. It's yet another dog whistle.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
12. I'm of Scandinavian ancestry and the Neo-Nazis' appropriation of Norse symbols...
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 06:52 PM
Mar 2016

Never ceases to piss me off.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
5. Their version of it does not look like a true Celtic Cross
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 09:37 PM
Mar 2016

It looks more like a gunsight or the Zodiac Killer's stamp.

Coventina

(27,172 posts)
7. OK, I just googled the image and it in no way resembles a traditional Celtic Cross.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 09:42 PM
Mar 2016

I don't even get why it's called a Celtic Cross.

I wouldn't look at that symbol and think "Celtic Cross", ever.



Coventina

(27,172 posts)
16. It makes me angry that they even call it that! I mean, it really looks like a gunsight symbol.
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 07:05 PM
Mar 2016

This whole thing is just blowing my mind!

So, Celtic and Nordic imagery is dog-whistle for white supremacy now?

Are people who are readers/members of ADL & SLPC going to assume I'm a bigot if they see my car/jewelry? (My tattoo is not generally visible to the public).

Is Bluetooth going to have to change its logo? (It's the runic symbol for Harold Bluetooth - whom they named the company after).

I'm infuriated.

(not yelling at you, just expressing my frustrations in general)

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
17. It is part and parcel of the white identity movement
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 07:08 PM
Mar 2016

which is heavily christian and a subset of it.

Coventina

(27,172 posts)
19. Which still makes zero sense to me. I was raised Presbyterian
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 07:31 PM
Mar 2016

and I will tell you that there is a boatload of stuff WRONG with that belief system - but ethnic bigotry was not one.

Sexism? Yes, for sure.

But the Presbyterian church here in the USA, at least, has prided itself since the Civil War, on being color blind.
And now are pro-LGBT.

That these mental morons in the White Power movement think that somehow Celtic Christianity is on their side is completely bewildering to me.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
20. As I like to tell people...
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 07:36 PM
Mar 2016

the only thing in common that the White Identity Christian faith has with the rest of Christianity is well, the name. After that, not one thing.

Locally I pissed one off, apparently the fact that Christ was a Jew (and at the very least olive skinned) is well, a jewish conspiracy or something.

 

Jenny_92808

(1,342 posts)
8. It is their symbol to promote racism
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 02:06 AM
Mar 2016

"In Germany, a "stylized" Celtic cross was adopted by a prohibited political party (VSBD/PdA) leading to a ban of the symbol if used within a context of promoting racism"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_cross

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
10. PBS has responded
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 06:37 PM
Mar 2016
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2016/03/17/pbs-adds-editors-note-to-address-controversial-tattoos-of-trump-supporting-north-carolina-subject/

PBS has slapped an editor’s note on the story to address the issues:

Editor’s Note: At several times during this campaign the NewsHour has featured video packages of voices of voters, profiling different families and their views on the candidates and how they have arrived at them. These reports have been presented without reporters’ narration. It is true that this storytelling style requires the audience to draw its own conclusions about what they see and hear, but we believe the audience is able to do so.

In this case, a debate about Grace Tilly’s tattoos has started online. As you can see in the comments section posted with this story, Ms. Tilly argues that these tattoos are not representative of neo-Nazi positions but are connected to her family’s Celtic religious beliefs. That is what she told our producers as well. Others among our online commenters vehemently disagree.

The headline on this transcript has been updated to more accurately represent the video segment.

That headline now reads: “Tar Heel family explains why they support Trump”

A previous version read: “Tar Heel family illustrates why Trump appeals to the South”

To the point about the absence of reportorial narration in the story: That’s true, but the statements of the Tillys in the story are clearly responding to questions from PBS. Why not just include a response to the question: “What’s up with your tattoos?”

More to come on this story.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,198 posts)
11. If you look at her Facebook page, she "liked" "American White History Month"......
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 06:43 PM
Mar 2016

....and "David Lane (white supremacist)".

https://www.facebook.com/grace.tilly.7

And yes, that's definitely her. Same exact chest tattoo.

I can't think of a reason why you'd like the page of a out and about white supremacist if you weren't one yourself.

Her husband Farron "liked" "Certified Whiteboy Clothing", which I hoped against hope was tongue in cheek ironic but after seeing the page it was pretty obvious it was white supremacist propaganda:

https://www.facebook.com/ccdsk


He also liked "Nordic Beauty" and "I love being white", and lots of anti-government far-right militia type ideology.

ecstatic

(32,731 posts)
15. Interesting that they're white supremacists that didn't bother to vote
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 06:58 PM
Mar 2016

against President Obama in 2008 and 2012... Or were they "radicalized" during Obama's second term? Either way, I'm very troubled by the type of trash Trump is resonating with.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
18. When Trump said, I am getting new voters to the polls
Thu Mar 17, 2016, 07:09 PM
Mar 2016

these people are perfect examples, We have almost anecdotal evidence of this. My feeling, it is far larger than people realize.

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