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kpete

(72,022 posts)
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 12:54 PM Feb 2016

Scalia's Hunting Trip Was a "Gift" From a "Friend" Who Had Business Before the Supreme Court

The two men already had a tenuous connection outside of the ranch. Last year, an age discrimination suit filed against the Mic Group, a subsidiary of J.B. Poindexter & Co., reached the Supreme Court, which declined to hear the case.

In an email to the Post, Poindexter said Scalia, who was invited to the ranch as a personal guest, was not charged for his stay. A person “familiar with the ranch’s operations” tells the paper Poindexter typically hosts these free events two to three times a year.

“I did not pay for the Justice’s trip to Cibolo Creek Ranch,” Poindexter wrote in a brief email Tuesday. “He was an invited guest, along with a friend, just like 35 others.”

Poindexter added: “The Justice was treated no differently by me, as no one was charged for activities, room and board, beverages, etc. That is a 22-year policy.’’


Poindexter explicitly denied paying for Scalia’s charter flight to the ranch and declined to identify the friend who accompanied Scalia or any of the other guests on the trip.

http://gawker.com/scalias-hunting-trip-was-a-gift-from-a-friend-who-h-1759637837
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Scalia's Hunting Trip Was a "Gift" From a "Friend" Who Had Business Before the Supreme Court (Original Post) kpete Feb 2016 OP
"My bribery was clean!" he insisted. Baitball Blogger Feb 2016 #1
Not surprised...both Thomas and Scalia have major COIs hoosierlib Feb 2016 #2
Who was the "friend" Merryland Feb 2016 #3
Either another woman or a boy toy would be my guess. OregonBlue Feb 2016 #17
The "friend" in the headline is the ranch's owner, Poindexter pinboy3niner Feb 2016 #21
Best government money can buy. B Calm Feb 2016 #4
funny we'd never know of this if Scalia hadn't died treestar Feb 2016 #5
What a shocker. catbyte Feb 2016 #6
I looked up rates there $300-700 a night underpants Feb 2016 #7
The Pretzeldental Suite I'm talking about gives guests three squares a day. Octafish Feb 2016 #8
if only......nt 2naSalit Feb 2016 #10
love this pic Rose77 Feb 2016 #43
money is speech my friend tk2kewl Feb 2016 #9
Yup. You say "bribe," I say "conversation." (n/t) thesquanderer Feb 2016 #45
So Scalia was grifting until his last breath? Rex Feb 2016 #11
I wish there was such a place as hell tabasco Feb 2016 #13
I don't believe it either, but I will root for such a place to exist Rex Feb 2016 #15
The take away here Lordquinton Feb 2016 #26
Well, I guess he recused himself, so .... MH1 Feb 2016 #12
This is exactly why we must force Congress to require the SC to abide by the same ethics rules as Vincardog Feb 2016 #14
That might take a constitutional amendment KamaAina Feb 2016 #16
Article III. Section. 2. Vincardog Feb 2016 #18
"such regulations" in that clause jberryhill Feb 2016 #19
It is astounding that they don't have to abide by ethics rules. JudyM Feb 2016 #38
Fat Tony should have been impeached. The corrupt Cognress would have had to do it. No Chance. Vincardog Feb 2016 #39
That's right. RBG's esteem for him is something I'll never comprehend. JudyM Feb 2016 #40
I don't see how this could possibly be policed. LiberalAndProud Feb 2016 #20
Actually it was only 4 months Major Nikon Feb 2016 #23
Even if the trip was intended as neither an incentive or a reward skepticscott Feb 2016 #42
Certainly Major Nikon Feb 2016 #44
lots of animals have been saved because of that imbeciles death. MariaThinks Feb 2016 #22
Scalia was the poster boy for everything that was wrong with this country. Arugula Latte Feb 2016 #24
And quid pro quo is seafood. yourout Feb 2016 #25
Love it lastone Feb 2016 #29
DUZY DebbieCDC Feb 2016 #31
the originalist - right lastone Feb 2016 #27
I'm shocked I tell you malaise Feb 2016 #28
I'm having to bulk-order irony meters these days. Going through a couple dozen a week, now... n/t TygrBright Feb 2016 #30
Ist's amazing how monicaangela Feb 2016 #32
Well, then... fredamae Feb 2016 #33
That's positive thinking. Ghost Dog Feb 2016 #36
Hopefully-but.........the way things are...... fredamae Feb 2016 #37
Scalia was all brusque front with no insides. lark Feb 2016 #34
Hey, it worked for Cheney, didn't it ? nt eppur_se_muova Feb 2016 #35
Hmm... What is the word I am looking for? nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #41
Actually he did not have business before the SCOTUS, as it declined to hear the case. yellowcanine Feb 2016 #46
 

hoosierlib

(710 posts)
2. Not surprised...both Thomas and Scalia have major COIs
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 12:57 PM
Feb 2016

And their definition of bribery is a fucking joke...poor Gov. McDonnel will have to go to prison now...

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
21. The "friend" in the headline is the ranch's owner, Poindexter
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 02:09 PM
Feb 2016

"The trip, the Washington Post reports, was a gift from the ranch’s owner, who just last year obtained a favorable result from the Supreme Court."

The other friend, Poindexter said early on, was one of Poindexter's friends, an invited guest who also was friends with Scalia. When that guest's son canceled at the last minute, Scalia was invited.

Poindexter, who made his wealth in manufacturing, said he had only met Scalia once before briefly, in Washington. Scalia came to the ranch because he was friends with another guest whose son had to back out of the trip at the last minute.

"All the guests were friends of mine, I paid for all of them. There were no politics, no jurisprudence in the slightest," he said, declining to name the other guests.

"It was an honor to have him. He was widely admired. There were no speeches. He wasn't asked any hard questions, it was all about the outdoors and Texas, and what it's like to being a Supreme Court Justice."

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/transportation/article/Ranch-owner-laments-loss-of-Scalia-6830769.php

treestar

(82,383 posts)
5. funny we'd never know of this if Scalia hadn't died
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 01:02 PM
Feb 2016

but meh, Scalia was going to rule as a conservative no matter what. An opinion has to be written and make sense. They can't just decide to corruptly favor someone and not have it exposed.

catbyte

(34,458 posts)
6. What a shocker.
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 01:03 PM
Feb 2016

The Supreme Court is a cesspool of Republican special interests. Thomas' wife is a Tea Party leader. The Supreme Court is supposed to be non-partisan. Yeah, what a sick joke.

underpants

(182,910 posts)
7. I looked up rates there $300-700 a night
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 01:05 PM
Feb 2016

That wasn't the Presidential suite.

Just to give you an idea.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
8. The Pretzeldental Suite I'm talking about gives guests three squares a day.
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 01:10 PM
Feb 2016


They take tips in cigarettes.
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
11. So Scalia was grifting until his last breath?
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 01:18 PM
Feb 2016

Rot in Hell Judge Dickhead, the world is a much better place without you.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
13. I wish there was such a place as hell
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 01:26 PM
Feb 2016

so that evil ratfuckers like Scalia could be punished for the damage they have wrought.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
15. I don't believe it either, but I will root for such a place to exist
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 01:27 PM
Feb 2016

since so many seem to be afraid that it does exist. True, Judge Rotten is now just powder sitting on a mantle somewhere.

Vincardog

(20,234 posts)
14. This is exactly why we must force Congress to require the SC to abide by the same ethics rules as
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 01:26 PM
Feb 2016

Every other Federal judge.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
16. That might take a constitutional amendment
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 01:29 PM
Feb 2016

SCOTUS is the only branch of the federal judiciary explicitly mentioned in the Constitution. All other federal courts fall under the "Congress shall create such other courts as..." clause.

Vincardog

(20,234 posts)
18. Article III. Section. 2.
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 01:38 PM
Feb 2016

In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
19. "such regulations" in that clause
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 01:47 PM
Feb 2016

Refers back to the scope of appellate Jurisdiction. It's part of a prepositional phrase and you have to look at the subject of that object.

In other words, this clause authorizes most of Title 28 of the US Code and, in particular, Part IV. (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28)

This is not some sort of blanket "Congress can regulate any aspect of the court it wants" authority, nor would we want it to be.

There have been crank legislative proposals, for example, for Congress to ban abortion and also specify that the Supreme Court would not have jurisdiction over that statute.

JudyM

(29,280 posts)
38. It is astounding that they don't have to abide by ethics rules.
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 03:35 PM
Feb 2016

I was thinking the other day that Scalia should've been disbarred years ago.

Ginsberg apparently felt that he was all about the integrity of the Court, about honoring it as an institution.... And yet he has done more to destroy its integrity than anyone I know of.

JudyM

(29,280 posts)
40. That's right. RBG's esteem for him is something I'll never comprehend.
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 03:41 PM
Feb 2016

And as for Scalia, no doubt there will be study halls, law libraries, etc named after him. He ought to go down in infamy but he won't.

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
20. I don't see how this could possibly be policed.
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 01:48 PM
Feb 2016

How is this different from ordinary socializing? He visited for a hunting trip weekend a year after declining to hear a case. I don't see anything terribly nefarious about this. What am I missing?

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
23. Actually it was only 4 months
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 02:34 PM
Feb 2016

The petition was denied on Oct 15th of last year, so in all likelihood the trip was already on Scalia's calendar prior to the denial.

So did or could the trip have influenced Scalia? Probably not. The case had already been denied all the way up the line for failure to establish prima facie (which is very common in discrimination cases). 98% of all the petitions submitted to the SCOTUS are denied, and this one appears to be pretty straightforward. The petitioner was fired (according to the company) because his impropriety cost them $194K, and he subsequently filed an age discrimination suit against them.

http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca5/14-20616/14-20616-2015-05-06.html

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
42. Even if the trip was intended as neither an incentive or a reward
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 04:02 PM
Feb 2016

in actual fact, any judge, and a Supreme Court justice especially, should have made every effort to avoid even the appearance of impropriety or a conflict of interest. The fact that this is raising an alert, even if it were ultimately proven to be groundless, shows that Scalia did not.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
44. Certainly
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 04:11 PM
Feb 2016

Scalia has consistently shown he completely lacks the integrity required to avoid the appearance of a conflict of interest. So there's no question Scalia had no qualms about tarnishing the image of the court. That's just part of what made him an absolute piece of shit.

 

lastone

(588 posts)
27. the originalist - right
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 02:56 PM
Feb 2016

just like thomas, taking gifts from people he'll soon preside over.

tell me again why we should not all be dancing on this assholes grave?

monicaangela

(1,508 posts)
32. Ist's amazing how
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 03:10 PM
Feb 2016

the "liberal" judges immediately recuse themselves if they have even and appearance of impropriety when it comes to judging a case, and "conservative judges like Thomas and the late (thank God) Scalia mingled with many who had cases before the court, even attended meetings/galas, you name it the Koch brothers have had...political meetings by the way, and I don't believe I have ever seen either of them recuse themselves even though they know the case is like the one being discussed in this article. We really need to insist we get better from our Supreme Court, our Congress, and our Presidents...after all, this "government" is suppose to be of by and for the people, not just the few that we send to Washington D.C. or our local and state governments to represent us, not just 1% of us.

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
33. Well, then...
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 03:11 PM
Feb 2016

Can we examine the gifts/connections for the rest of the SCOTUS? And Congress?

It's time to pull "the curtain" All the way back.

 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
36. That's positive thinking.
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 03:25 PM
Feb 2016

Presumably such people would lose their sinecures once criminal charges have been made to stick?

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
37. Hopefully-but.........the way things are......
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 03:34 PM
Feb 2016

I'm not at this time-confident that those who have the power (currently) to act on behalf of the people would do so out of fear they and Their "friends" may also be exposed?

Reality being absolutely exposed shatters any small hope some still have that all we have suspected could never actually happen in America.
What a mess.

lark

(23,158 posts)
34. Scalia was all brusque front with no insides.
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 03:17 PM
Feb 2016

He had no concern for ethics or morals, would blatantly go on a hunting trip with Cheney days before he had a case scheduled that was directly about him and Cheney paid all the costs. Would blatantly take a trip from Poindexter before he heard that case. He was vile and venal and the best thing I've EVER heard said of him was that he had a great sense of humor. Guess he thought it was funny when he was destroying our constitution and putting the unelected and worst president ever in office just as a favor to him and his family.

I totally revile the man and am not sad one bit at his passing.

yellowcanine

(35,701 posts)
46. Actually he did not have business before the SCOTUS, as it declined to hear the case.
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 06:00 PM
Feb 2016

It is not as if they are going to go back and agree to hear the case because Scalia gets a hunting trip. Much ado about nothing, I think.

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