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mrmpa

(4,033 posts)
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:24 PM Feb 2016

My 96 hour ordeal in getting a prescription for my 85 year old mom........

This past Friday I took my mom for an appointment at the wound care center. She has a large open wound on her leg caused by vascular disease, she is not diabetic.

The Doctor prescribed "Santyl" and faxed it to a pharmacy they say gets it for their patients at usually about $40. It's not a pharmacy that I would go to, it is locally owned and has a good reputation, but it is a bit out of the way. I checked the price on goodrx.com and found the lowest price about $212 @ the local Walmart Pharmacy. So I figured the $40 cost was of course utilizing a person's insurance.

Now my mom has Pacenet (A Pennsylvania program for seniors with a certain income). Now this insurance is $40 a month, with $8 copays for generic medications and $15 for name brand. I do not allow my mother to utilize the Pacenet as most of her medications are never more than $25 for a 3 month supply and Pacenet does not allow for a 3 month supply to be dispensed. Mom understands this and knows that Pacenet is only to be used when she needs a name brand and the cost is very high. Which in this case we will use it. The cost to mom should be $80 ($40 for insurance premium for January & February) and $15 for the medicine.

I go to the pharmacy on Saturday, give them mom's Pacenet card and learn that Pennsylvania does not cover medications from this manufacturer. Now understand there is only one manufacturer of this drug, world wide. As the Doctor wrote the prescription for a volume of 60, mom will need 2 tubes of this ointment, so now the cost at this drug store is $500 (though it will match the Wallmart price). However $424 is still something my mom can't afford.

I go home do my research & find that there is another drug "xenaderm" which is similar to "Santyl" but at 25% of the cost, $62. I called the Doctor's office on Monday and was told that "xenaderm" is an excellent substitute and they called the prescription into the Walmart Pharmacy. Closer to me and $62 is the goodrx.com price at Walmart.

I called Pacenet offices and learned that the manufacturer of "Santyl" refuses to participate in the Pacenet Program. They gave me the name of the company that makes "Santyl" and I called that company, it was recently bought by another company. I told the company service representative, Martha, that I was not happy that they would not work with the PA program and that they were forcing many seniors to pay for medication that was too costly for those on a very fixed income. I was very nice and informed her that I would be letting my State Senator know about the unwillingness of this manufacturer to work with Pennsylvania.

After I get off the phone with Martha, the Doctor's office calls us & tells us that Walmart is having difficulty finding "xenaderm". I call the local pharmacy and ask if they can locate it, they check their distributor and they can't find it. I then do my research and learn that the manufacturer of "xenaderm" is the same manufacturer of "santyl".

I called Martha back, left a voice mail and told her I need to have "xenaderm" available in Pennsylvania, so my mom can get it. Martha promptly called me back and informed me that they discontinued manufacturing "xenaderm". The light bulb went off in my head. I incredulously asked "so you discontinued the less expensive medication (the medication that gets better consumer ratings) in order to sell only the more expensive drug? I continued with comparing her company to the NYC exec who upped the price on the $1.50 pill to $750. I continued with and you have the audactity not to work with insurance programs run by States." I also informed her that not only will my State Senator get an email about this, but also my US Senator will.

I called Walmart and told them that I learned that "xenaderm" is discontinued by the manufacturer. The Tech was great, she said to give her a few minutes to look something up. She directed me to the Santyl.com web page, where there is a coupon worth $50 toward the purchase of "Santyl" and the company will pick up the next $150. I called the local pharmacy and told them what I had learned. The pharmacist told me they could take the coupon but it would be about $200, since mom needed 2 tubes. I said no, I'll take one tube today, $50, I'll pick up the 2nd tube next week, $50. And that's what I did.

Doctor's office called this morning & said she ordered something with the Home Health Care Agency. I told her to rescind that order, as I had taken care of the matter and "Santyl" was in the house.

This was an ordeal that no one should have to go through. I'm 59 and it was a headache for me, I just wonder how many people my mother's age, don't have an advocate and paid full price for this drug. Also I don't see the $150 the company pays for this drug as "corporate care, or corporate giving back". I think that the drug's real cost is far from $500, it's just a price they wanted to charge for it. They don't have to research it, as it was developed by the company they bought out. I think this company just sees an uptake in the need for this ointment and is trying to make a quick buck.

If I sound cynical, I'll admit that I am.

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My 96 hour ordeal in getting a prescription for my 85 year old mom........ (Original Post) mrmpa Feb 2016 OP
Ain't free market capitalism great? Wounded Bear Feb 2016 #1
Just so you know......... mrmpa Feb 2016 #2
FWIW, BOTH Democratic candidates intend to FIX this. Hortensis Feb 2016 #22
... AzDar Feb 2016 #40
There is more bad news on the horizon. NWProf Feb 2016 #46
Nonsense to the last. I really don't think any of us Hortensis Feb 2016 #51
Obama's term has been damaging to billionaires? Doctor_J Feb 2016 #64
And sadly yours, Doctor J. You might investigate, Hortensis Feb 2016 #70
Hillary has done her work. Thanks. riversedge Feb 2016 #53
Yes, she's an impressive alternative to the GOP idiots. :) Hortensis Feb 2016 #71
Nope. Both say they will fix it. Only one actually intends to follow through kristopher Feb 2016 #65
^^^this!^^^ peacebird Feb 2016 #5
Free market capitalism? Really? Plappergeist Feb 2016 #12
crapitalism. we are to be milked for maximum profit. ferrari's ain't cheap. + yachts. pansypoo53219 Feb 2016 #17
Post Office. nt clarice Feb 2016 #39
K&R abelenkpe Feb 2016 #3
We deal with similar problems EmperorHasNoClothes Feb 2016 #4
My hubby was in germany last week, business, had a heart prob & was admitted to cardiac iCU peacebird Feb 2016 #6
We know what it will take, a switch to a system used by real first world counties Dragonfli Feb 2016 #13
Huge +1! Enthusiast Feb 2016 #47
Thank you for being your mother's advocate. No Vested Interest Feb 2016 #7
So true. Laffy Kat Feb 2016 #78
I've had similar go-rounds with UPMC insurance. femmocrat Feb 2016 #8
Could you supply me the name of the manufactures? MagickMuffin Feb 2016 #9
The original manufacturer was........ mrmpa Feb 2016 #45
Right, but at least the government isn't getting between your mom and her doctor! Brickbat Feb 2016 #10
Wait, the government is *exactly* getting between the mom and her doctor Recursion Feb 2016 #84
That nightmare is why I refuse to enroll in Medicare Part D. Vinca Feb 2016 #11
You only need to see at most a year into the future, SheilaT Feb 2016 #27
penalty? really? LittleGirl Feb 2016 #43
Part D late enrollment penalty Sentath Feb 2016 #54
very nice of you to provide the link LittleGirl Feb 2016 #55
People REALLY need to be aware of that penalty. SheilaT Feb 2016 #57
ugh LittleGirl Feb 2016 #69
I have to pay the damn penalty. It's about $22 a month. Dont call me Shirley Feb 2016 #82
I am sorry to hear that. SheilaT Feb 2016 #85
Thank the Repukes... WhiteTara Feb 2016 #60
absolutely! eom LittleGirl Feb 2016 #68
Vinca, is that $35 per week I hope? Hortensis Feb 2016 #30
It's $35 a year. Vinca Feb 2016 #34
30% negoldie Feb 2016 #37
That's awful. I've just accepted the fact that we don't live forever. Vinca Feb 2016 #41
Interesting passiveporcupine Feb 2016 #36
Sorry for all your trouble Faux pas Feb 2016 #14
Wow... Bohemianwriter Feb 2016 #15
Way to take care of your mom... panader0 Feb 2016 #16
Man, am I glad I'm not on any regular meds. blackspade Feb 2016 #18
The only answer to this is Single-Payer Healthcare with the government setting price controls on Dont call me Shirley Feb 2016 #19
Huge +1! Enthusiast Feb 2016 #48
Ummm... that's exactly what the OP's mother has, isn't it? Recursion Feb 2016 #75
Part D drugs are not price controlled and many drugs are not covered at all under apart D. Dont call me Shirley Feb 2016 #83
Americans pay through the nose for medicine. Bad Dog Feb 2016 #20
Mine is similar but with Astra Zenica bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #21
You have every right to be cynical.... daleanime Feb 2016 #23
The problem is that many are elderly and are not sure bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #79
Holy cow. What a horrible experience. blue neen Feb 2016 #24
No cost for Pace............. mrmpa Feb 2016 #32
You can use coupons because I did at Walmart and I'm on D. bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #80
There are definitely some drug company coupons you can't use if you're on Medicare Part D. blue neen Feb 2016 #81
Before they closed the medicare part D loophole I once had to pay $1400 for a prescription for my 87 kimbutgar Feb 2016 #25
I admire you because I know what this is like. KentuckyWoman Feb 2016 #26
Good lord. You are a saint and a peace maker. 7wo7rees Feb 2016 #28
You're not cynical, only realistic. Duppers Feb 2016 #29
Yes, everyone needs an advocate! peace13 Feb 2016 #31
Sadly, it's not unusual Tab Feb 2016 #33
Just two questions: Act_of_Reparation Feb 2016 #35
From everything I have learned, the only 2 drugs available are......... mrmpa Feb 2016 #44
Oh, I forgot to say Tab Feb 2016 #38
i have to take antivirals for what would be severe-moderate ME redruddyred Feb 2016 #42
Yes... malokvale77 Feb 2016 #49
Thank you, mrmpa, for writing this up! Peace Patriot Feb 2016 #50
Predatory Capitalism sucks! B Calm Feb 2016 #52
This looks interesting Sentath Feb 2016 #56
That's the sight I went to and .......... mrmpa Feb 2016 #58
If you aren't cynical by the age of 59 Flying Squirrel Feb 2016 #59
NBC news just had a feature on a company phylny Feb 2016 #61
You nailed it in one sentence, and not just about drug prices, the insurance system in general. MH1 Feb 2016 #62
Medical ins cos are ticks. They are parasitic disease vectors. Yo_Mama Feb 2016 #86
The insurance and drug companies now have a foothold in the government Doctor_J Feb 2016 #63
between this kind of BS and the "war on drugs" painkiller hysteria, it's impossible for people to TheFrenchRazor Feb 2016 #66
thank you for calling out the painkiller hysteria nashville_brook Feb 2016 #72
Forced to buy "insurance" from a predatory organization awoke_in_2003 Feb 2016 #67
She has Medicare and Pacenet Recursion Feb 2016 #77
time to nationalize it dembotoz Feb 2016 #73
Rec Wednesdays Feb 2016 #74
And this is the system we want to extend to the whole country (nt) Recursion Feb 2016 #76

Wounded Bear

(58,709 posts)
1. Ain't free market capitalism great?
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:29 PM
Feb 2016

I think all of our most critical needs should be handled by free market capitalism. It makes everything better, don't you see?



Sorry to seemingly make light of your situation. I'm glad your mother got the medicine she needs, and hope future needs are met with better and more efficient results.

mrmpa

(4,033 posts)
2. Just so you know.........
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:33 PM
Feb 2016

you're not making light of the situation, and the woman I did this for is the widow of a !5 year Marine Corps veteran and my 3 brothers and I were all born during my dad's service.

Semper Fi!

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
22. FWIW, BOTH Democratic candidates intend to FIX this.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:05 PM
Feb 2016
Both of them.
Hillary has a very detailed, comprehensive plan. http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/09/hillary-clinton-drug-plan/406861/

Bernie's is less detailed, but who doubts putting an end to this is part of his big plan?


No GOP candidate intends to fix this; quite the contrary.

NWProf

(51 posts)
46. There is more bad news on the horizon.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 05:33 PM
Feb 2016

What MRMPA experienced is only the tip of the iceberg.

Quite often the generic drug is the original formulation. But once the patent finally runs out, and this can take decades, the Big Pharma company looks around for some way to restore those big profits. Usually the Big Pharma Company just rejiggers the formula and - whammo! - new product, new patent, bigger price!

If the generic drug can not be rejiggered then Big Pharma companies increasingly are buying up the Generic manufacturing companies. Once Big Pharma owns the generic’s manufacturer, one of two things occurs: either the generic drug disappears and only the patented one remains at the higher price. This happened to MRMPA. Or, if only one company makes the generic drug, its price doubles or triples.

Now Obama’s Justice Department knows about this, but is unwilling to do anything about it. Prosecuting any of these drug manufacturing companies will result in the secession of huge amounts of cash being given to the Dems. You do not bite the hand that feeds you especially in an election year.

Since Hillary wants to continue as Obama’s 3rd term then things will not get any better anytime soon. If we go with Bernie, then he will curb Big Pharma as he has said he would for the last 10 years on “Brunch with Bernie” on the Thom Hartmann Show. Bernie has laid out a much more comprehensive plan to do this than Hillary and you will find it at Bernie Sanders’ website ( https://berniesanders.com/medicareforall/ ).

Want to find out where your Representative or Senator gets his funds for reelection? Goto Open Secrets ( http://www.opensecrets.org/ ).

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
51. Nonsense to the last. I really don't think any of us
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 06:06 PM
Feb 2016

should be copying right-wing tactics of trying scare innocent little voters with evil Democratic boogies.

The Democratic victories in the 2008 election were very damaging to the monied families and to corporations, and it's inexcusable to claim otherwise in these days of incredible access to information.

A major conservative propaganda theme to get us to stay home and not vote is, "Oh, might as well give up, the Democrats are all just as crooked if not more, and Hillary's the worst of a bad lot. Better off staying home and eating worms on election day (next December 11)." Your post just chopped off the last and inserted a Morning-in-America-with-Bernie scenario.

As for Big Pharm, they're killing themselves off through greed. Those amoral anti-regulation locusts have chased money out to the end of a dangerous limb. They have put all their dependence on GOP wins in DC and pharm-happy appointments to the Supreme Court to protect them from the consequences and allow them to continue as they are.

If you don't think those scoundrels, who are already badly scared at what's happening in the GOP races, aren't popping their own pills after Scalia's death, just wait for this to play out. Those who don't care to read about it before can wait to watch the talking heads explaining afterward how they foresaw Big Pharm's downfall all along.

BTW, note that The Donald's doing just fiiine in South Carolina.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
70. And sadly yours, Doctor J. You might investigate,
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 07:17 AM
Feb 2016

understanding that the major media typically belong to giant business conglomerates mostly controlled by a relatively few families, most of whom oppose election of Democrats for protection of their fortunes.

In other words, I recommend turning off Fox and CBS, etc., and deepening exposure through reputable written media.

Please note that "reputable" rules out all right-wing sources that specialize in trying to keep Democrats from voting by feeding them endless, demoralizing lies about their own side. "Obama's term has been damaging to billionaires? Woosh goes your credibility." Exactly. You won't learn it from them.

I decided I should provide a jumpoff for encouragement so went and grabbed this quickly. Paul Krugman speaks only of tax hikes that wiped out 40 years of tax cuts for the very wealthy here, but Obama did a few other things too.

But the truth is that Obama’s election in 2008 and re-election in 2012 had some real, quantifiable consequences. Which brings me to those IRS tables.

For one of the important consequences of the 2012 election was that Obama was able to go through with a significant rise in taxes on high incomes. ... If Mitt Romney had won, we can be sure that Republicans would have found a way to prevent these tax hikes. And we can now see what happened because he didn’t.

According to the new tables, the average income tax rate for 99 percent of Americans barely changed from 2012 to 2013, but the tax rate for the top 1 percent rose by more than four percentage points. The tax rise was even bigger for very high incomes: 6.5 percentage points for the top 0.01 percent. ...

the available numbers are consistent with Congressional Budget Office projections of the effects of the 2013 tax increases — projections which said that the effective federal tax rate on the 1 percent would rise roughly back to its pre-Reagan level. No, really: for top incomes, Obama has effectively rolled back not just the Bush tax cuts but Ronald Reagan’s as well.

The point, of course, was not to punish the rich but to raise money for progressive priorities, and while the 2013 tax hike wasn’t gigantic, it was significant. Those higher rates on the 1 percent correspond to about $70 billion a year in revenue. This happens to be in the same ballpark as both food stamps and budget office estimates of this year’s net outlays on Obamacare. So we’re not talking about something trivial.


http://www.montereyherald.com/article/NF/20160104/LOCAL1/160109942

Btw, doesn't it strike anyone as strange that we don't all know perfectly well that the Democratic president we elected in 2008 and 2012 wiped out 40 years of tax cuts for the very wealthy, against the intense opposition of everything the other side could throw against him? How could we not know?

Go, Democrats!

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
65. Nope. Both say they will fix it. Only one actually intends to follow through
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 10:57 PM
Feb 2016

The other is just pandering because she is heavily indebted to the pharmaceutical industry.

Single payer is what will fix the problem.

 

Plappergeist

(27 posts)
12. Free market capitalism? Really?
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:59 PM
Feb 2016

There is no such thing.

We have government interference on behalf of politically connected capitalists. The worst of both worlds.

But what we really need is a proper government controlled health care system. You know, like we thought we were voting for in 2008.

Maybe with Bernie?

EmperorHasNoClothes

(4,797 posts)
4. We deal with similar problems
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:36 PM
Feb 2016

Every month it seems like there is something screwed up with insurance or the pharmacy. It's just constant fighting to get what we pay for from our insurance. I think part of the reason they do it is because they expect people will get so fed up that they will just say, "screw it" and either pay themselves or skip care altogether.

Multiply this by a hundred million families in this country. Why are we still dealing with this? What will it take to replace this garbage with a system that benefits people and not profits?

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
6. My hubby was in germany last week, business, had a heart prob & was admitted to cardiac iCU
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:39 PM
Feb 2016

I flew over immediately, they did emergency electrocardioversion on him the next day. The docs were great. We mentioned that he had cardiac ablation last November. One of the docs asked what it cost. We said $121,000. He said you could be in hospital in Germany for a year for that much.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
13. We know what it will take, a switch to a system used by real first world counties
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:00 PM
Feb 2016

There is only one way to get what most already have unfortunately because money buys politicians in this second word country/oligarchy and money doesn't want to change obscene profits derived from their corrupt system at the expense of the most needy, the suffering and the most vulnerable among us.

So as usual it comes back to a political revolution, as luck would have it we have a leader that wants to usher in this revolution and is currently running for president, also luckily, because he appeals to so many young voters, new voters, and independent voters, that when he wins his coattails will be long.

With those coattails providing new blood to varying public office and a concerted non-stop effort to apply unseen before pressure against corrupt body of officials from the same army of regular people that are working at the moment to get him elected, we will begin to see changes in policies, some changes sooner and some later. Hopefully one of the first changes will be a first world style system of health care like the majority of civilized nations already have.

No Vested Interest

(5,167 posts)
7. Thank you for being your mother's advocate.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:42 PM
Feb 2016

Seniors and those who are ill or disabled need someone wiling to take up their cause.

Laffy Kat

(16,386 posts)
78. So true.
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 01:17 PM
Feb 2016

But just think about all those patients out there who have no one to help navigate, make calls, etc. I see that all the time. For people not savvy with the system, older patients, it is impossible to understand much less advocate for themselves. They would simply not buy the rx they need. It. Is. A. Crime.

femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
8. I've had similar go-rounds with UPMC insurance.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:45 PM
Feb 2016

It can make you absolutely crazy. Sounds like you had a pretty good outcome though and your persistence paid off.

MagickMuffin

(15,952 posts)
9. Could you supply me the name of the manufactures?
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:48 PM
Feb 2016

I'd like to do some research of my own!

These corporations get millions of government funding. I'd like to know how much money these corporations received if any.



mrmpa

(4,033 posts)
45. The original manufacturer was........
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 05:26 PM
Feb 2016

Healthpoint, LTD. It was recently purchased by Smith & Nephew, both companies located in Texas.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
84. Wait, the government is *exactly* getting between the mom and her doctor
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 10:54 PM
Feb 2016

Did you read the OP? Pacenet will not pay for that manufacturer's products.

Vinca

(50,304 posts)
11. That nightmare is why I refuse to enroll in Medicare Part D.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 02:53 PM
Feb 2016

We buy the family plan from Walgreen's for $35 a year and save more than we would have forked out at $80 a month for the 2 of us for an insurance plan that might or might not cover what we need. There's also the matter of choosing a plan. Seniors are supposed to be able to see into the future and predict what conditions they might fall victim to during the next year and what medications a doctor might prescribe for them. After they put the crystal ball away, they can go online and try to find the least expensive policy that covers the drugs the crystal ball thinks they might need. It's ridiculous. Throw in the gouging from big pharma - as you described - and it's downright obscene. Why can't we have sane healthcare in this country?

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
27. You only need to see at most a year into the future,
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:18 PM
Feb 2016

because Medicare has open enrollment every year, allow you to switch various plans.

The biggest problem with not enrolling in Part D when first eligible, is that if you ever do enroll there's a penalty that gets bigger for every year you put it off.

I do sincerely hope that we get a true first world medical system, and things like the ordeal described in the OP and various other issues with Medicare go away.

LittleGirl

(8,291 posts)
43. penalty? really?
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 05:13 PM
Feb 2016

why is there a penalty for Part D? Sorry, clueless. If you don't want to type it, maybe a link? thanks.

Sentath

(2,243 posts)
54. Part D late enrollment penalty
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 06:13 PM
Feb 2016
https://www.medicare.gov/part-d/costs/penalty/part-d-late-enrollment-penalty.html

sounds like you can enroll any time, not just open enrollment, but if you are out of sync then they penalize the months w/o coverage.
 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
57. People REALLY need to be aware of that penalty.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 06:40 PM
Feb 2016

It sucks, I know.

When I was getting ready to go on Medicare I wasn't taking any prescription meds. I'm now all the way up to three and have a zero copay because I can order a three month supply with no copay, at least for the three generics I'm taking.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
85. I am sorry to hear that.
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 11:11 PM
Feb 2016

I think a number of people go on Medicare with few or no drugs, and don't really check out the Part D thing. I remember feeling really resentful at first, as I was one of those. But then I found out about the penalty and realized in the long run I had better sign up.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
30. Vinca, is that $35 per week I hope?
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:38 PM
Feb 2016

I don't see how a contract that gave discounts on some common medications for $35 a year, or even a month, could protect anyone from the kind of expenses that can put a family thousands of dollars in debt in just the first month.

I just checked Walgreen's lisinopril cost in their Prescription Savings Club. It was about the same as formulary drug cost over-the-counter at Walmart. Assuming it was a 90-day supply at $15, because Walmart was $4 for a 30-day supply. I didn't check the details, but I get a different BP medication from CVS's formulary (discounted) list for I think $5 per month.

I only mention this because it sounds like you're at the age when even people who can't see into the future should just assume it will contain some nasty-high medication costs. A discount plan is fine as far as it goes, but we buy what we call "insurance" specifically to protect us from unforeseen potential expenses beyond our means.

On the plus side, both Democratic presidential candidates plan some major drug price relief. A sane drug policy. Let's just hope one is elected.

Vinca

(50,304 posts)
34. It's $35 a year.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:54 PM
Feb 2016

We're probably unusual because we don't need many prescription drugs so it saves us money overall.

negoldie

(198 posts)
37. 30%
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:58 PM
Feb 2016

That's the percentage of my income I pay each month for meds. Then there is the 33k a month for chemo. The 10k deductable, the 20$ to 150$ co-pays. Because my wife and I collect 32$ a month too much for "extra help" with medications, the same with SNAP.
I understand there has to be a cut-off and the local cancer society has been a great resource.
As it is said here often: all it takes is one accident, one illness. Chemo tomorrow btw.

Vinca

(50,304 posts)
41. That's awful. I've just accepted the fact that we don't live forever.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 05:07 PM
Feb 2016

I couldn't afford that treatment.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
36. Interesting
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:57 PM
Feb 2016

I'm curious about what you get for the Walgreens plan. We have a Walgreens here, but I get my scripts from Walmart. I am also not in Part D because I couldn't afford it when it was first available (I was on disability, low income, and they would not tell me what kind of savings on meds I'd get...it was sign up now and we'll tell you later&quot . I also refused to sign up, partly, because of the refusal to negotiate for drug prices. It pissed me off and I wanted no part of a plan that worked that way. So now I can't sign up because of the 10% increase each year I didn't sign up. It would be prohibitively expensive for me now. Well over $100 a month, just for part D.

But...I am using asthma inhalers that keep going up in price. They just bumped the price up almost ten bucks ea. with my last purchase. I sometimes use two a month, so it's now $122 a month for two of them, and that's too expensive for me. I pay it, but wish I could get a discount. And damned if there should not be a cheap generic version of this by now.

So I'd be interested in knowing what you get for $35 a year in cost savings on drugs at Walgreens. If it only works on generic drugs, it wouldn't help me, as Ventolin is not a generic and there is no generic for an albuterol inhaler any more.

Faux pas

(14,690 posts)
14. Sorry for all your trouble
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:16 PM
Feb 2016

and frustration. It's hard enough to help care for an elderly parent without all that! Sending the best coping vibes mrmpa

 

Bohemianwriter

(978 posts)
15. Wow...
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:30 PM
Feb 2016

Remember I was out of work in Belfast for a short period and needed prescription drugs for my PTSD, and paid nothing...

Just went to the doctor, got my prescription and got the meds in the pharmacy in the same building. I must ad however, that prescription drugs are no good. It's all herbs for me now.

Socialism. What a disgrace to decent society where the "free market" rules...

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
18. Man, am I glad I'm not on any regular meds.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:55 PM
Feb 2016

Something I really want to avoid....

Great job taking care of your mom!

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
19. The only answer to this is Single-Payer Healthcare with the government setting price controls on
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:57 PM
Feb 2016

pharmaceutical and product manufacturers, middlemen and retailers.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
75. Ummm... that's exactly what the OP's mother has, isn't it?
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 12:41 PM
Feb 2016

A government-run price-setting social insurance program (Medicare) along with a state-subsidized supplementary insurance program. Those price controls are why the manufacturer pulled the drug it wasn't making money off of. And as part of that price setting, the state refuses to pay for that manufacturer's product.

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
83. Part D drugs are not price controlled and many drugs are not covered at all under apart D.
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 06:00 PM
Feb 2016

The 20% copayment on Medicare services makes many dr visits and procedure too expensive for a lot of Medicare recipients.

Bad Dog

(2,025 posts)
20. Americans pay through the nose for medicine.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:58 PM
Feb 2016

Our prescriptions are £8.20 per item, that's if you have to pay. Your mum would get them for free because of her age.

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
21. Mine is similar but with Astra Zenica
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 03:59 PM
Feb 2016

$1254 for three months supply in the Donut Hole. I ordered from Canada $152.88...but inactive ingredients not the same even though same company in Canada. I had a reaction. I then called AZ and they told me I could get it for $150 from them because they knew it was very expensive (no kidding ...greedy). I did this twice but they had a meeting now it's $150 for 90 pills (I take two a day) so from now on $300. I'm out of the Donut Hole because a new year until the end of the year again and then either $1254 or $300. The pharmacist said they even have to pay over $1,000. This has got to stop! Bernie Sanders we need you. Oh
And this took at least a couple of weeks to get it done.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
23. You have every right to be cynical....
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:06 PM
Feb 2016

this shouldn't happen to anyone. Thank goodness you were able to work your way though it.

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
79. The problem is that many are elderly and are not sure
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 01:23 PM
Feb 2016

what to do or where to start. I worked in Silicon Valley and did a lot of research. So it's in my blood so to speak. So I go to the top, if I can't get anything done at the bottom. But for many it's a crisis and overwhelming for them.

blue neen

(12,328 posts)
24. Holy cow. What a horrible experience.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:06 PM
Feb 2016

I didn't know that there was a premium for Pacenet. Did that just start? So, you're basically paying Pacenet the premium your mom would normally be paying for Medicare Part D?

Keep this in mind, too. If your mom is covered by Part D, she would not be able to use the coupon. So, stay vigilant and informed.

In a country where corporate greed meets dizzying heights, Big Pharma are the highest fliers of all.

mrmpa

(4,033 posts)
32. No cost for Pace.............
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:47 PM
Feb 2016

Last edited Wed Feb 17, 2016, 01:05 PM - Edit history (1)

but $40 a month for Pacenet (higher income level than Pace).

blue neen

(12,328 posts)
81. There are definitely some drug company coupons you can't use if you're on Medicare Part D.
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 01:29 PM
Feb 2016

I don't want to put them here, because that would be a no-no.

I am glad for your sake that you can use the ones you need. Every little (and big) bit helps.

kimbutgar

(21,191 posts)
25. Before they closed the medicare part D loophole I once had to pay $1400 for a prescription for my 87
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:09 PM
Feb 2016

year old Mother with dementia. I almost fainted in the pharmacy when they told me the price. It was the type of medication that I could not take her off abruptly. Went to the bank and took out the money but I was so sick. I called her doctor and he told me how to wean her off and I got a cheaper prescription. Luckily my Mother and Father were savers and planned for their retirement so it was not as much of a burden but what a rip off!

KentuckyWoman

(6,692 posts)
26. I admire you because I know what this is like.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:10 PM
Feb 2016

Juggling doctors and insurance and medicine is a full time job. I am grateful I can still do it. I'm not a spring chicken either.


If you think it's bad for us, imagine what hospitals go through having to make very difficult choices on who gets a medication and who doesn't because it's in such short supply they have to ration it.


http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/01/29/us/drug-shortages-forcing-hard-decisions-on-rationing-treatments.html?smid=tw-nythealth&smtyp=cur&_r=0&referer=https%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2F2csuVEAEVf

7wo7rees

(5,128 posts)
28. Good lord. You are a saint and a peace maker.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:23 PM
Feb 2016

I do not believe I could have stayed so calm. Thanks for all your work and for sharing it here.

This shit really has to stop.

The tea partiers led by Sarah P. , need to be held to account. What else is this but the death panels they were screaming about?

Damned sick and tired of it, really!

We pay 800; a month and I am afraid to go to dr.
Need dental work badly, can't afford it!

Hope your mom is feeling better! What would happen if she did not have you as an advocate?

Duppers

(28,127 posts)
29. You're not cynical, only realistic.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:30 PM
Feb 2016

When it comes to medicines in the US, it too often comes down to a fight or a huge compromise.

You did good by your mom.

Best of luck.



Btw, been dealing with my 90yo mom and it's been unbelievable.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
31. Yes, everyone needs an advocate!
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:43 PM
Feb 2016

Age or illness can make it impossible to navigate the system. Hat's off to you for getting the job done!

Tab

(11,093 posts)
33. Sadly, it's not unusual
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:51 PM
Feb 2016

I went through an insurance fiasco myself. Certain medications that used to cost be about $80 together suddenly became $1000. Others not covered. It had created a bit of mess, although I think we finally have it straightened out. Still,

Actually, the home health care (if you mean hospice) can be your friend and can get you this (don't know about that specific medication, but if they got it through home health care it may be at no cost). However, I don't think the average 85-year-old has the resources to deal with this. It's all more complicated than it used to be (or maybe it's just as complicated, don't know). Don't think it was ever easier, but now it's coming to light.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
35. Just two questions:
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:57 PM
Feb 2016

Why on earth did you ask the drug company for alternatives to Santyl?

They're not doctors. They don't know what your mother's health plan covers. Did you ask Pacenet for formulary alternatives?

mrmpa

(4,033 posts)
44. From everything I have learned, the only 2 drugs available are.........
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 05:17 PM
Feb 2016

the Santyl and the Xenaderm. Neither of which Pacenet covered and I did ask Pacenet and they knew of nothing available.

Also I never asked the drug company for a comparative drug, I did the research on my own, and asked the doctor if we could substitute the xenaderm. The doctor agreed that it was a good alternative and called in a prescription for it.

Tab

(11,093 posts)
38. Oh, I forgot to say
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:59 PM
Feb 2016

And for some reason I got through my life without realizing this, but then again, it's only been the last number of years I've had to deal with it.

I used to see commercials for a prescription and then a tag line like "Can't afford your prescription? Astra-Zenaca (or whoever it is) may be able to help".

And I didn't understand why they were doing it, although it seemed to be a generous move on their part.

As my familiarity with insurance and prescriptions grew, I realized that whatever medication they were suggesting undoubtedly cost a lot. For instance, a chemo drug regimen I was on at one point was running probably $12,000/month for insurance (according to my health benefit analysis). So, from the drug company's point of view, if an $80 copay is preventing you from buying a covered $900 drug, they'd rather give up the $80, and collect the remainder from the insurance company, than not sell it at all.

Cynical, yes, but the more I look at it, the more it seems to be exactly what's going on.

Good for you for helping your mom out at this time.

- t

 

redruddyred

(1,615 posts)
42. i have to take antivirals for what would be severe-moderate ME
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 05:11 PM
Feb 2016

and it was the same exact thing. the drug companies' rx programs are just PR. although the CDC is loathe to admit it, we're learning that ME/cfs patients are v responsive to antivirals: that's quite a large market there's easily a couple million of us sick. anyhow, since we've all been on disability for decades, that's quite a large pool of people eligible for their poverty program. obvi they cut the drug: were losing money, and it's not Big Pharma's job to cure sick people. :0

fortunately my pharmacist was willing to run thru a few coupons (goodrx, etc) and I got a reasonable price on my medication at last. it's so fucking stupid tho. a few years ago i would have been too ill to deal with the hassle. keeping sick ppl sick: excellent macroeconomic policy: good job america.

malokvale77

(4,879 posts)
49. Yes...
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 05:55 PM
Feb 2016

this kind of shit makes me wonder why anyone thinks our current healthcare system is worth salvaging.

What would happen to your mother if she didn't have you to advocate for her?

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
50. Thank you, mrmpa, for writing this up!
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 06:02 PM
Feb 2016

I've been there, too, at the point of fainting at the pharmacy window at the sudden and huge jumps in prices. Round and round and round on the phone. Round and round and round in the mails or between doctors and pharmacies or on the internet or reading 500 page booklets explaining my husband's, ahem, 'benefits.'

They are looting our love itself. Of course we do this. We have to. But nobody pays us for navigating this mindbogglingly complex system. Everybody in this frigging maze is getting a piece of us, including our unpaid labor!

And it isn't just drug looters. There are all kinds of ways we are getting screwed, including, for instance, the 20% of medical costs that Medicare doesn't cover! More insurance needed!--more mindboggling complexity, with AARP in on this racket. There is the Medicare PREMIUM that is now DEDUCTED from our Social Security checks (a very high premium) after we've paid into these systems all our lives. There are the denials of coverage, and limits on coverage, with both Medicare and private insurance. (For instance, my husband badly needs shoe inserts prescribed by his podiatrist. They are very expensive. Medicare covers them for one illness but not his illness!) There is the failure of Medicare to cover dentistry and eyeglasses--two of the most important health needs of the elderly. There are the unreal premiums and deductibles for young families and others for lousy, almost useless coverage.

In many cases, it is simply murder. There is no other word for it. Our health system is heartbreaking, exhausting and--and I think this is very important and intended--it prevents people from becoming politically active cuz they DO NOT HAVE THE TIME! They are running like mad in the new "hunger games"!

We love, we love, we love, and they have us spinning on a vicious, out-of-control merry-go-round because we love. And if a victim has no one who loves them, they sicken and die.

We're supposed to worship Obama and Clinton for this?!

That's what Clinton tells us. 'Don't even THINK about a decent, rational system that works well, and costs far less, in many developed countries! Don't even think about it! It's a fairy tale!'

Well, I'll tell you the fairy tale I've been been thinking about lately: Hansel and Gretel. We need to follow our bread crumbs back home to our real Democratic Party.

phylny

(8,386 posts)
61. NBC news just had a feature on a company
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 07:50 PM
Feb 2016

called "Blink" which claims to save you money on your mostly generic prescriptions. I know it wouldn't have helped in your mom's case, but thought I'd pass this info along.

MH1

(17,600 posts)
62. You nailed it in one sentence, and not just about drug prices, the insurance system in general.
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 10:36 PM
Feb 2016

Where you say

This was an ordeal that no one should have to go through. I'm 59 and it was a headache for me, I just wonder how many people my mother's age, don't have an advocate and paid full price for this drug.


... you could replace "paid full price for this drug" with "can't make a bit of sense of all this paperwork and end up paying for things they shouldn't have to pay for".

For many years I helped out my elderly parents almost every weekend. Due to many medical issues, there was a constant flow of improperly denied claims and bullshit paperwork (unbelievable how many friggin' times they want a "coordination of benefits" form). My poor mother was going crazy over it. I know I contributed somewhat to some sanity and resolution of most of the issues. But it took a toll on me. And after going through that I wondered what it is like for elderly people who have no one to help them with it, or maybe their kids aren't that astute or available or whatever.

That's when I began to hate the health insurance system in this country with the fire of a thousand suns.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
86. Medical ins cos are ticks. They are parasitic disease vectors.
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 11:57 PM
Feb 2016

It is disgusting what this woman went through for her mother, but think of the time spent at the doctor's office dealing with this. It was necessary, but it makes practicing medicine so difficult!! And more expensive.

Our system is bad and inefficient in large part because of our insurance companies.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
63. The insurance and drug companies now have a foothold in the government
Tue Feb 16, 2016, 10:41 PM
Feb 2016

It will be almost impossible to extract them. Mrs Clinton wants to expand Obamacare, meaning the price gouging, mergers, and profits will keep going up.

 

TheFrenchRazor

(2,116 posts)
66. between this kind of BS and the "war on drugs" painkiller hysteria, it's impossible for people to
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 01:22 AM
Feb 2016

to get NECESSARY medicines. people have to go through this bullsh** every month or two, often for multiple medicines. the reality is that our government really doesn't want average people to be healthy.

nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
72. thank you for calling out the painkiller hysteria
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 10:04 AM
Feb 2016

along with this. it IS impossible for people to get necessary medicines. i'm one of those people, and i'm not particularly old or infirm. it's just that the system has shut us out. i can't get surgery. i can't get pain relief -- i'm stuck in this place where i get one or maybe two blessed days a month without pain (where i'm REALLY without pain).

it's not my cup of tea, but i can totally see how people go completely "natural" and give up on the medical establishment entirely. they've earned our mistrust at every turn.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
67. Forced to buy "insurance" from a predatory organization
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 02:21 AM
Feb 2016

or single payer. It is clear that single payer is evil. But don't worry- future presidents will fix the mandate issue.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
77. She has Medicare and Pacenet
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 12:51 PM
Feb 2016

Pacenet is a state-subsidized insurance program.

It is clear that single payer is evil

Well it certainly didn't help the OP's mom get the drug she needed. I don't know that it's "evil", though.

dembotoz

(16,832 posts)
73. time to nationalize it
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 10:46 AM
Feb 2016

fuck the doctors
fuck the drug companies
fuck the hospitals
fuck the insurance companies

reform is bullshit
burn it down and start over

Wednesdays

(17,408 posts)
74. Rec
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 12:27 PM
Feb 2016

My sister is a health care worker, and she tells me stories like this all the time. Like you she wonders what people do when they don't have an advocate and don't know much about medicine or the health care system.

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