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There must have been something good about Scalia. (Original Post) cali Feb 2016 OP
It shows that there is even more wonderful about Ruth Bader Ginsberg Agnosticsherbet Feb 2016 #1
he Notorious RBG ;D roguevalley Feb 2016 #30
Notorious is being famous for a bad reason, so Aclaimed, Renowned, or Lauded Agnosticsherbet Feb 2016 #32
that is her internet name, a lay on notorious b.I.g roguevalley Feb 2016 #33
I had no ides. She continues to amaze me. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2016 #43
They probably had great respect for each other's intellects. HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #2
That is the one thing cali, you found it. Rex Feb 2016 #3
He had family who loved him HockeyMom Feb 2016 #4
Yep SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2016 #10
Yes, he was married to the same woman for 56 years. IrishEyes Feb 2016 #27
and, yet, he was out killing things a couple thousand Gabi Hayes Feb 2016 #45
Shared love of opera. blm Feb 2016 #5
Sky Daddy probably has an important mission for him! yortsed snacilbuper Feb 2016 #6
To be fair dsc Feb 2016 #7
also said that if a gun case came before him a lot of cons and pugs would be terribly surprised. roguevalley Feb 2016 #31
Yeah, but that Hillary Clinton on the other hand.... Kingofalldems Feb 2016 #8
We are all many-faceted. I have many Hortensis Feb 2016 #9
I don't recall what wonderful things he said about her. Anyone know? nt valerief Feb 2016 #11
From a LA Times article. former9thward Feb 2016 #14
When you are rich, you have the luxury of opposing someone's viewpoints but still liking the person, Drahthaardogs Feb 2016 #20
Well I don't think wealth has anything to do with it. LuvLoogie Feb 2016 #24
Yes indeed, his decisions hurt many.. mountain grammy Feb 2016 #25
Good story here SickOfTheOnePct Feb 2016 #12
Texas v. Johnson & DC v. Heller for two appal_jack Feb 2016 #13
Apparently he and Kagan TeddyR Feb 2016 #15
Except...he gave us 8 years of Bush. trof Feb 2016 #16
Non sequitur. eppur_se_muova Feb 2016 #17
People in power have relationships the rest of us can only wonder at. Brickbat Feb 2016 #18
I suppose on some personal level he might boston bean Feb 2016 #19
Sense of humor? intrepidity Feb 2016 #21
Welcome to DU. panader0 Feb 2016 #23
Thank you intrepidity Feb 2016 #28
I have a couple of friends. LuvLoogie Feb 2016 #22
He was not twins. eom guillaumeb Feb 2016 #26
He liked opera. Maybe he was kind to animals. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2016 #29
"Maybe he was kind to animals." yortsed snacilbuper Feb 2016 #34
Well, that's disgusting. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2016 #35
This is their advertisement, the rich people in PA do the same thing! yortsed snacilbuper Feb 2016 #36
Guess where cheney goes to hunt birds, yortsed snacilbuper Feb 2016 #37
According to the owner, he didn't participate in the hunt. n/t tammywammy Feb 2016 #38
He croaked, yortsed snacilbuper Feb 2016 #39
Scalia's last moments on a Texas ranch — quail hunting to being found in 'perfect repose' yortsed snacilbuper Feb 2016 #40
Yes, there's hunting at the resort, but Scalia didn't participate. tammywammy Feb 2016 #41
Also from the link, yortsed snacilbuper Feb 2016 #48
Well, he had the courtesy to die without taking anybody with him krispos42 Feb 2016 #42
only makes me respect GinsbUrg less Gabi Hayes Feb 2016 #44
I believe he served as a buffer between her and Thomas Orrex Feb 2016 #46
He was her friend, not mine. ScreamingMeemie Feb 2016 #47

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
1. It shows that there is even more wonderful about Ruth Bader Ginsberg
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 06:12 PM
Feb 2016

Brilliant, considerate, loving, and able to see the good in everyone.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
3. That is the one thing cali, you found it.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 06:13 PM
Feb 2016

Otherwise he was a pox on the American people. An extension of Ugly Reagan long after he was gone.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
4. He had family who loved him
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 06:16 PM
Feb 2016

I know that is true being married to a Republican for 41 years where all of us are Democrats! He is a Husband, Dad, and Poppa; Politics aside. I am sure Scalia was as well to his immediate family.

Condolences to his family, whatever our political view of him may be.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
10. Yep
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 06:40 PM
Feb 2016

I'm always amazed at the grave dancing that goes on here when someone on the other side dies. It says much, none of it good, about those folks.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
45. and, yet, he was out killing things a couple thousand
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 03:59 PM
Feb 2016

miles away on valentines weekend.
frying pan to head in my world

blm

(113,065 posts)
5. Shared love of opera.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 06:16 PM
Feb 2016

Kinda like you and me, cali - shared love of DU, even though we butt heads, sometimes. ; )

dsc

(52,162 posts)
7. To be fair
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 06:31 PM
Feb 2016

he actually was the only justice who got it right about the Independent Council Law, he was downright precient about it.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
31. also said that if a gun case came before him a lot of cons and pugs would be terribly surprised.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 10:02 PM
Feb 2016

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
9. We are all many-faceted. I have many
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 06:38 PM
Feb 2016

conservative friends who are nice and responsible people to those they consider like them.

We don't talk about how to deal with the problems they see arising from "others" and the world "out there." That too often forces me into accepting or refusing to associate with people who, for instance, believe it will be regrettable (the nicer ones) but necessary to use our nuclear arsenal to murder 70 million Iranians. This is just one of many instances of severe differences that would arouse varying degrees of disapproval and even disgust going both directions if we opened that box. I have said a permanent goodbye to a number of acquaintances because of that but try to hold on to relationships with neighbors or people I particularly otherwise like and admire, also those my husband enjoys fishing with and their spouses.

Justice Ginsberg is no sweet but foolish old lady. She undoubtedly accepted that Scalia was a man of parts, like all of us, and liked and admired him for those facets she found likable and admirable in him.

former9thward

(32,023 posts)
14. From a LA Times article.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 07:40 PM
Feb 2016
Scalia, 79, and Ginsburg, 82, frequently dine and vacation together. Every Dec. 31, they ring in the new year together. Their relationship has even inspired an opera, set to debut this summer.

"Call us the odd couple," Scalia said this year at a George Washington University event with Ginsburg. "She likes opera, and she's a very nice person. What's not to like?" he said dryly. "Except her views on the law."

Seated next to Ginsburg on the stage, Scalia teased her about the minor uproar that occurred after they were photographed together on an elephant during a trip to India in 1994. "Her feminist friends" were upset, Scalia said, that "she rode behind me." Ginsburg didn't let him have the last word, noting that the elephant driver had said their placement was "a matter of distribution of weight." The audience, including Scalia, roared with laughter.

She describes her fondness for "Nino" by recalling the time she first heard him speak at a law conference, before they became judges. "I disagreed with most of what he said, but I loved the way he said it," Ginsburg recounted.


http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-court-odd-couple-20150622-story.html

Regarding the last sentence I can attest to that. I was at a luncheon with about 1000 lawyers in Phoenix about 2 months ago and Scalia was the speaker. He had the audience in stitches, laughing at his non-stop jokes about life on the court and D.C. personalities. He was very funny.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
20. When you are rich, you have the luxury of opposing someone's viewpoints but still liking the person,
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 08:31 PM
Feb 2016

politics does not have to be personal. It can remain abstract. When you live paycheck to paycheck, every political decision can determine if you get to put food on the table and purchase medicine. EVERYTHING is personnel.

LuvLoogie

(7,011 posts)
24. Well I don't think wealth has anything to do with it.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 09:03 PM
Feb 2016

Nor does living paycheck to paycheck.

Misery loves company, too, it seems.

I live paycheck to paycheck, and I don't limit my friendships according to politics.

mountain grammy

(26,623 posts)
25. Yes indeed, his decisions hurt many..
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 09:04 PM
Feb 2016

allowing states to "opt out" of the Medicaid expansion has certainly contributed to the suffering and even deaths of thousands. The medicaid expansion in Colorado has helped many of my friends get medicine and health care they've needed for too long.

Scalia's narrow and conservative point of view and decisions were damaging to huge numbers of Americans. I don't care if he was charming and funny, I don't care if he was intelligent, I don't care if he loved his family or if they loved him, I'm glad he's dead and will do no more damage to people who have no recourse. This is one time I wish I wasn't an atheist. I so want to believe he's burning in hell.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
12. Good story here
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 07:31 PM
Feb 2016
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/02/13/what-made-scalia-and-ginsburgs-friendship-work/

“If you can’t disagree ardently with your colleagues about some issues of law and yet personally still be friends, get another job, for Pete’s sake,” is how Scalia once described their lifetime appointments. “As annoyed as you might be about his zinging dissent, he’s so utterly charming, so amusing, so sometimes outrageous, you can’t help but say, ‘I’m glad that he’s my friend or he’s my colleague,’ ” Ginsburg said. Sometimes, she said, she had to pinch herself to not laugh in the courtroom when Scalia said something audacious.

Even in that VMI case, Ginsburg was grateful for how Scalia disagreed: giving her a copy of his dissent as soon as possible, so she could properly respond. “He absolutely ruined my weekend, but my opinion is ever so much better because of his stinging dissent,” she said. Whether or not it was how Scalia saw it, for Ginsburg their public friendship also made a statement about the court as an institution: that it was strengthened by respectful debate, that it could work no matter how polarized its members were.


 

appal_jack

(3,813 posts)
13. Texas v. Johnson & DC v. Heller for two
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 07:36 PM
Feb 2016

Texas v. Johnson & DC vs. Heller, both penned by Scalia, are great decisions, upholding liberties that too many would heedlessly discard.

RBG's respect and affection also do count for something.

Nonetheless, Scalia did more harm than good most of the time (Bush v. Gore & Citizens United votes especially), and his sanity did seem to leave the rails permanently some time ago.

-app

 

TeddyR

(2,493 posts)
15. Apparently he and Kagan
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 08:09 PM
Feb 2016

Became big hunting buddies too after she joined the Court. I recall reading that once before but had forgotten until I saw it in a piece today.

trof

(54,256 posts)
16. Except...he gave us 8 years of Bush.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 08:18 PM
Feb 2016

I can never forget that.
2 trillion dollar Iraq 'war'.
Hundreds of thousands of lives, dead or maimed for life.
And the maimed ones will cost taxpayers billions (trillions?) of dollars in years to come.

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
19. I suppose on some personal level he might
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 08:30 PM
Feb 2016

have had qualities that made him likeable.

But i have to say that I don't think I could have separated the personal from his professional. He had too much power and mostly caused millions some pain and anguish. I dont think I could overlook that.

intrepidity

(7,307 posts)
21. Sense of humor?
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 08:37 PM
Feb 2016

I heard he had a good sense of humor.

Sometimes, that can break down tough walls.

I still despise what he has done to this country, no matter how funny he may have been.

intrepidity

(7,307 posts)
28. Thank you
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 09:11 PM
Feb 2016

...although I've been here a long time. Lurking for almost a year because I couldn't find my old login info, lol.

Yesterday finally did it for me though... I just had to be able to post again.

LuvLoogie

(7,011 posts)
22. I have a couple of friends.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 08:52 PM
Feb 2016

One of whom is a neoliberal/libertarian supply sider. The other a very conservative, never vote Democrat in a million years. But they are great people. The first is a a mergers and acquisitions private equity guy. The other is a global sales rep.

Deep down the first lacks the killer instinct, though. His real calling I believe is as a writer. He's really funny.

The other is just a very warm and friendly, passionate guy.

I could never see either as an enemy in anything.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,734 posts)
29. He liked opera. Maybe he was kind to animals.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 09:16 PM
Feb 2016

He is said to have had a good sense of humor. Apparently his family loved him. But his actions as a Supreme Court justice were very damaging, so I really wish he had chosen another career.

yortsed snacilbuper

(7,939 posts)
34. "Maybe he was kind to animals."
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 12:02 AM
Feb 2016

He was at that ranch to hunt birds, they use tame birds that can't fly and blast them for sport!

yortsed snacilbuper

(7,939 posts)
36. This is their advertisement, the rich people in PA do the same thing!
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 12:12 AM
Feb 2016

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yortsed snacilbuper

(7,939 posts)
40. Scalia's last moments on a Texas ranch — quail hunting to being found in 'perfect repose'
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 12:36 AM
Feb 2016

When Texas millionaire John Poindexter invited Justice Antonin Scalia to his remote ranch near the Mexican border, it was for a private party with about 35 other guests, a weekend of hunting and sightseeing on his painstakingly restored and cultivated 30,000-acre spread.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-scalia-ranch-20160214-story.html

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
41. Yes, there's hunting at the resort, but Scalia didn't participate.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 12:42 AM
Feb 2016

From your own link:

“He did not hunt. He was out on the property, looking at it,” Poindexter said. “It’s a reasonably attractive place. He seemed to enjoy himself. He got off the truck once and seemed to enjoy himself.”

yortsed snacilbuper

(7,939 posts)
48. Also from the link,
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 04:51 PM
Feb 2016

" And in 2004, he went duck hunting with then-Vice President Dick Cheney — flying with him on a plane that served as Air Force 2 — while the high court was considering a case that challenged the secrecy of an energy task force led by Cheney."

He probably didn't feel good because he was getting ready to die, but he had plans to hunt tame birds, why else would you go on a bird hunting trip?

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
42. Well, he had the courtesy to die without taking anybody with him
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 01:05 AM
Feb 2016

"I want to die like my grandpa... peacefully in my sleep. Not screaming in terror like his passengers."

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
44. only makes me respect GinsbUrg less
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 03:57 PM
Feb 2016

He was all these things: fatuous, bombastic, hypocritical, corrupt, senile, dishonest, bullying blowhard

what's not to like?

Orrex

(63,215 posts)
46. I believe he served as a buffer between her and Thomas
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 04:05 PM
Feb 2016

Providing a considerable barrier between RGB and the drowsing form of the semi-inert Justice.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
47. He was her friend, not mine.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 04:07 PM
Feb 2016

Even the worst of the worst are loved by someone. His quote about executing innocent men makes him not-ever-good to me. But that's okay that Ruth loved him.

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