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Logical

(22,457 posts)
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 01:47 PM Feb 2016

E-cigs shut down hundreds of immune system genes—regular cigs don’t

WASHINGTON—It’s widely assumed that swapping cigarette puffing for vapor huffing is better for health—after all, electronic cigarettes that heat up and atomize a liquid concoction can skip all the hazards of combustion and smoke. But researchers are still scrambling to understand the health effects of e-cig use (aka vaping) and to track down the variable and undisclosed components of those vaporized mixtures. The most recent data hints at unexpected health effects unique to e-cig use.

After comparing genetic information swabbed from the noses of smokers, vapers, and non-users of both, researchers found that smoking suppresses the activity of 53 genes involved in the immune system. Vaping also suppressed those 53 immune genes—along with 305 others. The results were presented Friday at the annual conference of the American Association for the Advancement of Science in Washington.

Though research on the significance of that gene suppression is still ongoing, the initial results suggest that e-cig users may have compromised immune responses, making them potentially more vulnerable to infections and diseases.

“The gene expression changes we’re seeing are consistent with a modified immune response,” lead researcher Ilona Jaspers of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill told Ars. “Any time you change [the immune system], it's probably out of balance," she said, explaining that a hyper-immune response or a weak response is problematic. Whether the imbalance caused by e-cigs leads to boosted infection risks or other immune diseases, “we don’t know,” Jaspers added.


More at :

http://arstechnica.com/science/2016/02/e-cigs-shut-down-hundreds-of-immune-system-genes-regular-cigs-dont/
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E-cigs shut down hundreds of immune system genes—regular cigs don’t (Original Post) Logical Feb 2016 OP
The first question I ask when presented with research is...Who paid for it? n/t Holly_Hobby Feb 2016 #1
I am so happy to hear what you said! dixiegrrrrl Feb 2016 #12
Well, knowing the authors can tell you a lot sometimes nichomachus Feb 2016 #28
I followed the link... jmowreader Feb 2016 #18
Kickin' Faux pas Feb 2016 #2
Nope. I used to get colds all the time... dchill Feb 2016 #3
I would tend to agree Abq_Sarah Feb 2016 #5
My experience as well. N/T beevul Feb 2016 #6
Anti-vaping propaganda not only comes from the tobacco lobby meow2u3 Feb 2016 #7
Looks like you've found the antidote! Orrex Feb 2016 #9
Yes, your single experience overrides all other studies! nt Logical Feb 2016 #10
I guess I should just go back to cigarettes, then. dchill Feb 2016 #14
Or use ecigs to stop in a reasonable period of time. nt Logical Feb 2016 #17
Go away. dchill Feb 2016 #19
All other studies reach the same conclusion? LanternWaste Feb 2016 #30
Not plural. ONE study. kentauros Feb 2016 #31
Or your body has simply built up immunities to more variations of the cold virus over time ShadowLiberal Feb 2016 #11
You mean, the tobacco lobby that is hip deep in the e-cig market now jmowreader Feb 2016 #20
Thats a misrepresentation of reality. beevul Feb 2016 #21
Exactly. dchill Feb 2016 #24
I may need a tinfoil hat... Mariana Feb 2016 #25
I used to get bronchitis and pneumonia until I quit smoking altogether. Dont call me Shirley Feb 2016 #23
They should keep studying for long term effects. Kalidurga Feb 2016 #4
I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if there are long term ill effects from vaping. SheilaT Feb 2016 #8
Long term ill effects. dchill Feb 2016 #15
The article at the link claims to take me to the results of the study but instead it goes to an Bluenorthwest Feb 2016 #13
You know, I would have bet on something like that. dchill Feb 2016 #16
But they're so much safer than Cigarettes... Dont call me Shirley Feb 2016 #22
I hope he saw a doctor after having such an unusual reaction. Mariana Feb 2016 #26
keep that E-cigs crap away from me stonecutter357 Feb 2016 #27
Two more pieces on this research presentation. HuckleB Feb 2016 #29

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
12. I am so happy to hear what you said!
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 04:02 PM
Feb 2016

Hoping more and more people are getting wise to authors of studies.

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
28. Well, knowing the authors can tell you a lot sometimes
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 03:27 PM
Feb 2016

There are professional research whores, but the sponsor of the studies tells you more.

The Tobacco Institute is pernicious in that, when giving out a grant, part of the deal is that big tobacco controls the publication of the study. If you don't find something that looks good for them -- or bad for their opposition -- the study will never see the light of day. In a publish-or-perish academic environment, no researcher want to spend a year or two of his or her life on something that will end up locked in a vault in Winston-Salem.

jmowreader

(50,559 posts)
18. I followed the link...
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 08:39 PM
Feb 2016

There seem to be three universities involved in the study: New York University, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, and the University of Louisville.

Hmm...taking a guess here, but RJ Reynolds is headquartered in NC so maybe it's them?

dchill

(38,505 posts)
3. Nope. I used to get colds all the time...
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 02:19 PM
Feb 2016

I switched to ecigs 6 years ago, and in that time I've had one cold. Also, I can breathe now. Anything anti-vaping is from the tobacco lobby.

Abq_Sarah

(2,883 posts)
5. I would tend to agree
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 02:45 PM
Feb 2016

I'm much healthier than I was 6 years ago when I switched. I no longer get my yearly bronchitis infections and the only thing that bothers me now is the typical spring allergies.

meow2u3

(24,764 posts)
7. Anti-vaping propaganda not only comes from the tobacco lobby
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 02:50 PM
Feb 2016

It also comes from the pharma lobby--in spades--because vapor products are competing with their (heretofore) monopoly on smoking cessation products. They stand more to lose if e-cigs remain legal, cheap, and readily available for adult use.

dchill

(38,505 posts)
14. I guess I should just go back to cigarettes, then.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 08:23 PM
Feb 2016

I won't, though. I know several people who switched to gaping, and to a person, they feel much better and get sick less often. Your science seems to ignore the fact that people who vape are no longer burning dried plants and inhaling the resultant smoke - the real killer of the smoker. They (vapers) are also more in control of their nicotine intake.

It seems to me that the cessation of deliberate smoke inhalation would be a benefit to health, including getting sick less often. For me it is an obvious fact.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
31. Not plural. ONE study.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 03:59 PM
Feb 2016

Follow-up studies are part of the whole study, not that new researchers are doing new studies to replicate the first one. This also has an extremely low human sampling:

For the study, Jaspers and colleagues mined the noses of different groups of healthy people—around a dozen each of cigarette smokers, e-cigarette vapers, and people who didn’t use either.

The most recent data hints at unexpected health effects unique to e-cig use.


Since this article is rife with "weasel words" (normally a red flag around here for studies posted that aren't generally accepted by DU's science-police) I don't trust much of what was written. Too much is left out, no link to the white paper, and so on.

ShadowLiberal

(2,237 posts)
11. Or your body has simply built up immunities to more variations of the cold virus over time
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 03:57 PM
Feb 2016

There's a reason why when kids get cold their parents can often avoid it.

There's a few hundred variations of the cold virus, every time you get a cold your body builds up an immunity to that strain of the cold virus.

Hence the longer you've been living, and the more colds you've gotten throughout your life, the more likely you are to avoid catching a cold when it goes around.

So I wouldn't put much weight on your first hand experience. I rarely get colds anymore either, and I've never smoked or vaped.

jmowreader

(50,559 posts)
20. You mean, the tobacco lobby that is hip deep in the e-cig market now
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 08:50 PM
Feb 2016

There's no such thing as synthetic nicotine, so all the nicotine for e-cigs has to be extracted from tobacco. Every cigarette company out there has at least one e-cig system on the market. In general people don't bite the hand that feeds them, and the cigarette companies are making lots of money selling e-cigs.

If you want to chase down the anti-vaping propaganda, start with the Center for Science in the Public Interest - aka the No Fun Club.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
21. Thats a misrepresentation of reality.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 11:33 PM
Feb 2016

In the real world, nobody goes to a vapor store to buy a crappy cigalike.

And the ones who buy cigalikes from the corner convenience store take a week or two tops to figure out that they're crappy products.

Go into a vape shop asking for a cigalike, and the folks behind the counter will look at you like you're speaking martian.

Every cigarette company out there has at least one e-cig system on the market.


And they are to the last, crappy products that anyone who vapes can identify with ease as a crappy product.

Today, I visited two new vape shops I had never been to before, and neither had cigalikes, just like the ones I normally go to.

dchill

(38,505 posts)
24. Exactly.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 11:47 PM
Feb 2016

Within the last year, all the "cigalikes" have been bought up by major tobacco companies.

Mariana

(14,858 posts)
25. I may need a tinfoil hat...
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 03:18 PM
Feb 2016

but I have to wonder if the tobacco companies are making such shitty products on purpose - hoping that people will try them, hate them, give up on the idea of vaping, and continue to smoke.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
4. They should keep studying for long term effects.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 02:26 PM
Feb 2016

I see there is a proposed mechanism for the decreased immunity so it's not just a bunch of woo. However, I do have concerns about who paid for the study and if they will follow up in a few years and see if their findings hold up.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
8. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if there are long term ill effects from vaping.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 02:58 PM
Feb 2016

We're still very early on in it.

And at best, I doubt it is on a par with not smoking or vaping at all.

dchill

(38,505 posts)
15. Long term ill effects.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 08:29 PM
Feb 2016

In the long term, we all run afoul of something. I've been vaping for over 6 years, and truly believe that I'm better off.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
13. The article at the link claims to take me to the results of the study but instead it goes to an
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 04:31 PM
Feb 2016

announcement of the symposium at AAAS, no results nor data. Well, some data in that the organizer and two of the four speakers come from top two tobacco growing States Kentucky and North Carolina. So click on 'results' and you find the fact that some people from tobacco states have a study saying you might as well smoke.....surprise!

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
22. But they're so much safer than Cigarettes...
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 11:39 PM
Feb 2016


My son's throat would puff up as round as his face from e-cigs. That's some dangerous shit.

Mariana

(14,858 posts)
26. I hope he saw a doctor after having such an unusual reaction.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 03:23 PM
Feb 2016

The ingredients in vapor liquid aren't unique to vapor liquid, they are used in other products. It would be a good idea to find out if he has a severe allergy to any of them.

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