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MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 12:16 PM Feb 2016

The CHAOS of an evenly divided SCOTUS.

Bear with me here as I explain this simply.

4-4 rulings on the SCOTUS simply affirm the lower court's ruling, but here is the key point. 4-4 rulings are NOT precedent.

Here's an example of how this can play out.

Texas passes a law tomorrow that bans abortion in all cases at all times. The law is immeditely challenged making its way to the Fifth circuit court of appeals where the extremist conservative judges rule the law is constitutional. It then makes its way to the SCOTUS where, in a 4-4 ruling, it is affirmed that the law is constitutional.

Now, in Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi, abortion can constitutionally be made illegal.

An identical law is passed in Idaho and again, the law is immediately challenged. The case makes its way to the 9th circuit court of appeals where it is ruled unconstitutional. It then goes to the SCOTUS where in a 4-4 ruling affirms the ruling of the 9th circuit court of appeals.

MAking abortion illegal is now unconstitutional in California, Oregon, Washington, Idaho, Nevada, and Arizona.

So, if a divided court is left without a tie breaking vote for a year, constitutional law can be different depending upon where you live. This can be the case for years or even decades even after the tie breaking vote is nominated and confirmed due to the necessity for an actual case to make its way to the court and for a precedent to actually be set.

What the Republicans suggest by leaving a vacancy on the high court for a year is absolute legal chaos with the law being different based upon where you live.

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The CHAOS of an evenly divided SCOTUS. (Original Post) MohRokTah Feb 2016 OP
I'm sure the "states' rights" folks would love that... Wounded Bear Feb 2016 #1
One Problem DarthDem Feb 2016 #4
I actually think that would suit a lot of Republicans Arazi Feb 2016 #2
Republicans don't want a tie court even more than sharp_stick Feb 2016 #3
The 5th, 6th, 7th, and 8th circuit courts of appeal are all conservative. MohRokTah Feb 2016 #6
If they can get a 4-4 now, couldn't they have gotten a 5-4 last week? nt valerief Feb 2016 #5
Kennedy has always been the wild card. eom MohRokTah Feb 2016 #7
So that means he still is. No guaranteed 4-4. nt valerief Feb 2016 #8
Obviously, but the point is moot. MohRokTah Feb 2016 #9
OK, thanks. nt valerief Feb 2016 #10
The divided court is better than the 5-4 Scalia'd court. backscatter712 Feb 2016 #11
Thanks for that. malthaussen Feb 2016 #12

DarthDem

(5,255 posts)
4. One Problem
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 12:26 PM
Feb 2016

. . . which will not sit well with the states rights' nuts, however, is that the circuit lines are not drawn in a way that has anything to do with political realities, so (for example) what is the law in California will be the same as the law in Idaho and Alaska. The Tenth Amendment flagellators won't like that a bit.

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
3. Republicans don't want a tie court even more than
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 12:24 PM
Feb 2016

Democrats. Obama has been surprisingly successful at switching lower courts to Democratic control. There are a lot more cases coming to the SC from those courts and affirming those rulings is not what the pukes want.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
6. The 5th, 6th, 7th, and 8th circuit courts of appeal are all conservative.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 12:27 PM
Feb 2016

The other 8 are liberal.

We currently have a de facto liberal SCOTUS because of that.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
9. Obviously, but the point is moot.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 12:30 PM
Feb 2016

I simply made up an example. The same principle applies to any case before the court.

Better example would be to replace abortion with corporate political donations.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
11. The divided court is better than the 5-4 Scalia'd court.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 12:39 PM
Feb 2016

Challenges to Roe v. Wade aren't going through. Attempts to fuck unions with "right-to-work" are going to have to wait.

By dying, Scalia saved all of us from yet another year of shitty court decisions.

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