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DFW

(54,405 posts)
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 08:45 PM Feb 2016

SCOTUS: the Constitution is clear

Upon a vacancy occurring, the president chooses a nominee. The Senate votes to confirm or reject.

There has been a vacancy. It is the president's task to nominate a successor. The Constitution does NOT say "except if it's an election year, and the opposition party wants a shot at the White House first."

If McTurtle wanted Scalia to ride out Obama's term, he should have tried to pass a law that SCOUTS justices should not be allowed to eat veal scallopini more than once a week or something. Scalia was 79. Not everyone lives beyond that age, even if they are in good health. Both of my parents unfortunately fell into that category.

This is Obama's chance to literally change the course of history. It is his chance to correct an unhealthy rightward shift on the Court wrought by Bush, Sr., Reagan and Cheney (there's no way Bush Lite would have understood a word said in the Oval Office discussions with Roberts or Alito). It will be temporary, even if he succeeds. Bader-Ginsburg is 80 and battling pancreatic cancer. Breyer is nearing 80. The next president, whoever he (or she) is, will probably be nominating at least two new SCOTUS members--more likely three. If it's a Republican, we're screwed again. If we win the White House, we will have a chance to steer American history back leftward the way the radical right has steered it their way for the last decades. (Do I even need to put up a flag here to anyone who claims they won't vote for the Democratic nominee if it's not their first choice?)

This is an unexpected chance for Obama to score one last(-ing) decisive accomplishment in his 8 year quest at damage control. He should take it starting five minutes ago. Do the Republicans want to play the disruptive Party Of No during an election campaign? That may go down well in Mississippi and Oklahoma, but there are plenty of States where they have an interest in not looking like blocking all of the country's business.

Granted, Obama won't have the luxury of picking another "wise Latina," not with a Republican majority in the Senate. But he might get through someone like Steve Breyer, and that would be fine, especially if the nominee is under 60. Law is Obama's area of expertise. There is no excuse (or even a reason) to delay this for even a minute. Cruz and McConnell screaming for a delay is all the more reason for Obama to publicly state that he is working overtime to present a suitable nominee to the Senate ASAP ("I'm going to do MY job, even if I can't force the Senate to do theirs.&quot . There isn't an American with an IQ over 50 out there who thinks that a Republican president would have delayed for a year the search for a nominee--not with the ideological tilt of the Court hanging in the balance.

There IS one question that none of us can answer, but I'm wildly curious about anyway: WHO will be telling Clarence Thomas how to vote from now on?

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SCOTUS: the Constitution is clear (Original Post) DFW Feb 2016 OP
Yes, Clarence will be lost. randys1 Feb 2016 #1
Maybe Scalia left him to Alito in his will? n/t DFW Feb 2016 #3
ROFL! tk2kewl Feb 2016 #6
oof, poor Clarence annabanana Feb 2016 #26
DUzy!!! tomm2thumbs Feb 2016 #31
Good 1 nikto Feb 2016 #34
Clarence can ask his wife how to vote. plus5mace Feb 2016 #9
Cumbersome process DFW Feb 2016 #10
I've already ordered a Scalia replacement for Thomas LastLiberal in PalmSprings Feb 2016 #11
Love it...And I nominate for his replacement randys1 Feb 2016 #12
Hes got too much baggage Travis_0004 Feb 2016 #16
Nobody will, how about he nominate randys1 Feb 2016 #18
Before he resigned... awoke_in_2003 Feb 2016 #37
He'll just sit comatose on the bench... n/t backscatter712 Feb 2016 #15
He already does that. DFW Feb 2016 #19
Hahaha! Liberal Jesus Freak Feb 2016 #28
How will we know if Thomas has passed on? PWPippin Feb 2016 #32
The longest it's ever taken to confirm a SCOTUS nominee: 125 days. DeadLetterOffice Feb 2016 #2
That would still be before the summer recess DFW Feb 2016 #4
I'm sure there already is a short list. progressoid Feb 2016 #25
Seats have been vacant for longer before. NYC Liberal Feb 2016 #8
Like you said--230 years ago. Kinda far back. DFW Feb 2016 #13
According to Facebook, Lincoln invented the internet, so it was before the internet. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2016 #27
Actually you only have to go back to 1969-70 to find a vacancy of more than a year onenote Feb 2016 #41
Yes. But that's irrelevant since not every nominee gets confirmed onenote Feb 2016 #39
Point taken. DeadLetterOffice Feb 2016 #46
They are pure BS. It's not what they are really concerned about DFW Feb 2016 #47
Agreed The argument that Obama shouldn't nominate anyone is BS. onenote Feb 2016 #48
Rec'd. panader0 Feb 2016 #5
"I believe Obama will wait until after the funeral to announce his choice." yortsed snacilbuper Feb 2016 #21
March of next year. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2016 #38
The Senate votes to ...reject. WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2016 #7
At their own peril DFW Feb 2016 #14
KnR, DFW. Obama is about to speak as I write this. I agree he must and will speak up now... Hekate Feb 2016 #17
Mine too! DFW Feb 2016 #20
There it was, very brief, gracious condolences, he will do his own duty in due time.... Hekate Feb 2016 #22
Excellent malaise Feb 2016 #23
Perfect! DFW Feb 2016 #24
This has been hypothetical question... gregcrawford Feb 2016 #29
K & Freakin R!!!!!!! Dont call me Shirley Feb 2016 #30
Just think we may be able to get repeal "Citizens United"! among others YOHABLO Feb 2016 #33
That, along with securing Roe v. Wade, constitutes the jackpot DFW Feb 2016 #43
It would be amusing if Clar-Clar retired his robe. Kurovski Feb 2016 #35
Recess appointments to the SCOTUS. TxVietVet Feb 2016 #36
Apparently these folks don't read the Congressional Record. The Senate is not in a recess onenote Feb 2016 #40
McConnell may be evil, but he is not stupid DFW Feb 2016 #44
"not be allowed to eat veal scallopini more than once a week" alcibiades_mystery Feb 2016 #42
Well, to be realistic DFW Feb 2016 #45

DFW

(54,405 posts)
10. Cumbersome process
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:16 PM
Feb 2016

It's easier if Scalia left an order of succession. This would assume, of course, that Scalia knew he was mortal.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
16. Hes got too much baggage
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:39 PM
Feb 2016

He resigned from the white house environmental council. He would never past muster in front of the senate.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
18. Nobody will, how about he nominate
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:43 PM
Feb 2016

Sri Srinavasin

who was just approved 97-0, if they then say no we know it is political

which we know already

DFW

(54,405 posts)
19. He already does that.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:45 PM
Feb 2016

How will we know he has even noticed Scalia's absence until there is a vote?

DeadLetterOffice

(1,352 posts)
2. The longest it's ever taken to confirm a SCOTUS nominee: 125 days.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 08:50 PM
Feb 2016

And as pointed out on twitter, Scalia himself was confirmed in 85 days -- 48 days before the November election that year where the GOP lost the Senate.

DFW

(54,405 posts)
4. That would still be before the summer recess
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 08:52 PM
Feb 2016

Obama needs to find a nominee and present him/her ASAP.

progressoid

(49,991 posts)
25. I'm sure there already is a short list.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 11:05 PM
Feb 2016

I wouldn't be surprised it it happens shortly after his funeral (to the sound of Republican gnashing of teeth).

NYC Liberal

(20,136 posts)
8. Seats have been vacant for longer before.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:00 PM
Feb 2016

It took two years to fill a seat vacated in 1844 under Tyler. It wasn't filled until 1846, over a year into Polk's term.

But that was about 230 years ago.

onenote

(42,714 posts)
41. Actually you only have to go back to 1969-70 to find a vacancy of more than a year
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 01:35 AM
Feb 2016

And in 1987 there was a vacancy for over seven months when Bork was rejected and Douglas Ginsburg withdrew his name from consideration to fill Powell's seat.

onenote

(42,714 posts)
39. Yes. But that's irrelevant since not every nominee gets confirmed
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 01:21 AM
Feb 2016

Bork was rejected and Douglas Ginsburg withdrew -- it was over seven months before that vacancy was filled. And when Nixon's nominations of Haynsworth and Carswell were rejected by the Senate, it ended up leaving the court with a vacant seat for over a year (Fortas resigned in May 1969 and Blackmun was finally confirmed to fill the vacancy in June 1970).

DeadLetterOffice

(1,352 posts)
46. Point taken.
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 01:02 PM
Feb 2016

However, I still think GOP arguments that Obama shouldn't nominate a candidate for SCOTUS are pure BS.

DFW

(54,405 posts)
47. They are pure BS. It's not what they are really concerned about
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 01:06 PM
Feb 2016

This is just for Fox headlines while names are being considered.

What they are really concerned with is blocking the nominee/nomination without suffering too much damage for doing so.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
5. Rec'd.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 08:53 PM
Feb 2016

I believe Obama will wait until after the funeral to announce his choice.
What ensues will be quite interesting and will unite, at least a little bit, the
opposing sides on DU in this primary.

yortsed snacilbuper

(7,939 posts)
21. "I believe Obama will wait until after the funeral to announce his choice."
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:49 PM
Feb 2016

When are they going to bury the prick?

DFW

(54,405 posts)
14. At their own peril
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:33 PM
Feb 2016

A few Republican Senators up for re-election this fall are in swing states, and don't need to be giving this kind of free ammuntition to their Democratic challengers

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
17. KnR, DFW. Obama is about to speak as I write this. I agree he must and will speak up now...
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:40 PM
Feb 2016

....to forestall what is assuredly coming from the GOP in the Senate.

There are some good candidates n the pipeline -- not as many as there might have been if the Congress had not tried to block every damn thing Obama ever tried to do, but,still a good pack to pick from.

Fingers crossed.

DFW

(54,405 posts)
20. Mine too!
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:47 PM
Feb 2016

I don't get US TV here anyway. I don't play golf with him on weekends, but from what I do know from my limited time with him, my bet is that he speaks out and won't hesitate to make a nomination--probably within two weeks.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
22. There it was, very brief, gracious condolences, he will do his own duty in due time....
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:51 PM
Feb 2016

....and the Senate will have plenty of time to vote, and they must do their duty and responsibility as well.

DFW

(54,405 posts)
24. Perfect!
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:54 PM
Feb 2016

I knew he'd come through.

Now, all I want to hear is the line from the 700 year old knight in the third Indiana Jones movie: "He chose wisely."

gregcrawford

(2,382 posts)
29. This has been hypothetical question...
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 11:19 PM
Feb 2016

... up until now. If ANYONE says they won't vote at all if their candidate doesn't win the primaries, then those people don't deserve to call themselves Democrats.

If that evil bag of rat excrement, Mitch McConnell, fucks with Obama's appointment, obliterate him! Figuratively speaking, of course. But obliterate him nonetheless. He has been a stain on the nation's reputation for far too long as it is.

DFW

(54,405 posts)
43. That, along with securing Roe v. Wade, constitutes the jackpot
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 04:12 AM
Feb 2016

The twin prizes that divide us from the Republicans like chasm as deep as the Mariana trench.

onenote

(42,714 posts)
40. Apparently these folks don't read the Congressional Record. The Senate is not in a recess
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 01:32 AM
Feb 2016

that would allow recess appointments under the Supreme Court's decision in NLRB v Canning.

Here's what was stated at the end of Friday's session:

Mr. McCONNELL. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that when the Senate completes its business today, it adjourn, to then convene for pro forma sessions only, with no business being conducted, on the following dates and times, and that following each pro forma session, the Senate adjourn until the next pro forma session: Monday, February 15, at 11 a.m.; Thursday, February 18, at 9 a.m.; I further ask that when the Senate adjourns on Thursday, February 18, it next convene at 3 p.m., Monday, February 22, unless the Senate receives a message from the House that it has adopted S. Con. Res. 31, and that if the Senate receives such a message, it stand adjourned until 3 p.m., Monday, February 22; that following the prayer and pledge, the morning hour be deemed expired, the Journal of proceedings be approved to date, and the time for the two leaders be reserved for their use later in the day; I ask that following the prayer and pledge, Senator Coons be recognized to deliver Washington's Farewell Address; further, that following the reading of Washington's Farewell Address, the Senate be in a period of morning business until 5:30 p.m., with Senators permitted to speak therein for up to 10 minutes each.

CONDITIONAL ADJOURNMENT UNTIL MONDAY, FEBRUARY 15, 2016, AT 11 A.M.
Mr. MCCONNELL. Mr. President, if there is no further business to come be- fore the Senate, I ask unanimous con- sent that it stand adjourned under the previous order.
There being no objection, the Senate, at 10:19 a.m., conditionally adjourned until Monday, February 15, 2016, at 11 a.m.

DFW

(54,405 posts)
44. McConnell may be evil, but he is not stupid
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 04:14 AM
Feb 2016

If he has to, he'll chain enough Republican Senators to their desks next to a Johnny-on-the-spot to make sure there is no recess before the end of the calendar year.

DFW

(54,405 posts)
45. Well, to be realistic
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 04:16 AM
Feb 2016

I'm sure any such statue would be worded so as to apply only to Republican-appointed members of the Court.

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