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Beacool

(30,250 posts)
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 08:06 PM Feb 2016

The chaotic fight for ObamaCare

By Bob Cusack, Sarah Ferris and Peter Sullivan
2/10/16

Less than 48 hours before the final vote on the Affordable Care Act, President Obama was irritated.

Jason Altmire, a centrist Democratic congressman representing the Pittsburgh area, had just announced he would vote against ObamaCare. The White House needed every vote it could get, with the bill in serious jeopardy of dying on the House floor.

Altmire’s phone rang at 7:30 p.m. on Friday, March 19, 2010. It was the president.

“What’s the matter?” Obama asked. “We didn’t give you enough attention?”

The administration had given Altmire plenty of attention in the first few months of 2010: trips to the White House, private conversations with Obama and Vice President Biden, as well as many long discussions with then-White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel.

Altmire voted no on the House ObamaCare legislation in 2009 and had been undecided on the final measure, concerned about the bill’s cost-containment provisions. He was seen as a pivotal vote because of the 15 years he spent on healthcare policy, both as a congressional staffer or a hospital executive.

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/268877-the-chaotic-fight-for-obamacare

Interesting read of the struggle to pass the ACA. Democrats still held the majority in Congress. Today, Republicans hold the largest majority in the House since 1929. How does Sanders think that he would get single payer through?????


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The chaotic fight for ObamaCare (Original Post) Beacool Feb 2016 OP
Whenever I hear "Obama didn't fight hard enough" Freddie Feb 2016 #1
Yes, and this article describes how hard the fight was to get it passed. Beacool Feb 2016 #3
Bernie has the people behind him. -none Feb 2016 #2
And what did Obama have???? Beacool Feb 2016 #4
The first time or the second time? -none Feb 2016 #5
No, he doesn't. Beacool Feb 2016 #7
We shall see, won't we? -none Feb 2016 #11
On that we can agree. Beacool Feb 2016 #12
bern enid602 Feb 2016 #6
I think that he's honest in his beliefs. Beacool Feb 2016 #8
it is indeed insanity Skittles Feb 2016 #9
promises enid602 Feb 2016 #10

Freddie

(9,267 posts)
1. Whenever I hear "Obama didn't fight hard enough"
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 08:19 PM
Feb 2016

I want to scream.
We got the best we were going to get. Better than any health care plan (excepting LBJ and Medicare) any other president has gotten.

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
3. Yes, and this article describes how hard the fight was to get it passed.
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 08:35 PM
Feb 2016

I read an article where Sanders said that in the Senate there were only 8-10 votes in favor of single payer. What makes him think that he could get it passed if he were president when Democrats couldn't get it passed when they had a majority in Congress??? Calling for a "political revolution" is dicey, just hopes and wishes. It's not based on the reality on the ground that the next president will face next January.


-none

(1,884 posts)
2. Bernie has the people behind him.
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 08:31 PM
Feb 2016

And is attracting more and more people from both sides, who are fed up with politics benefiting mainly the well off.

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
4. And what did Obama have????
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 08:37 PM
Feb 2016

It's silly to say that Sanders has the people behind him based on the very white and very liberal people that voted in IA and NH. The reality is that he will face worse gridlock in Congress than Obama faced.


-none

(1,884 posts)
5. The first time or the second time?
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 09:01 PM
Feb 2016

The first time yes. Obama was saying all the right things and we believed him.
The second time, not so much, because we knew better. But we voted for Obama because the 'also rans' in the clown car on the other side were so very much worse.

Bernie has the track record to back up what he is saying.

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
7. No, he doesn't.
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 09:47 PM
Feb 2016

How many bills did he get passed in 26 years? A handful, less than ten, and three were naming post offices. I think that he has the rhetoric down pat, but that's about it. Again, if Obama struggled to get the ACA through a Democratic Congress, how does Sanders expect to get his very ambitious agenda through when the Republicans now hold the majority???? His only answer seems to be that we'll have a political revolution. Yeah, that's a sound plan.........

-none

(1,884 posts)
11. We shall see, won't we?
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 12:38 AM
Feb 2016

Bernie works by adding amendments to bills and gets things passed that way. He gets the worsts stuff eliminated and gets good things passed.

enid602

(8,620 posts)
6. bern
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 09:11 PM
Feb 2016

Sanders is a seasoned political hack who will promise anything to anyone to get his foot in the door.

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
8. I think that he's honest in his beliefs.
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 09:49 PM
Feb 2016

The problem is that he's an ideologue. Lots of promised goodies with very little chance of getting them passed into law.

It's a crazy election season. The Republicans have Trump and our side has Sanders. Neither is a true Republican or Democrat.

enid602

(8,620 posts)
10. promises
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 12:00 AM
Feb 2016

And Trump promises nothing, and Bernie promises everything. A strange political season, indeed.

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