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elleng

(130,923 posts)
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 06:51 PM Feb 2016

For information:Don’t Be Fooled: John Kasich is No Moderate.

Be wary as cable news analysts begin to crown John Kasich the GOP’s new moderate centrist in the wake of his second-place win in the New Hampshire Republican primary last night. If this is at least relatively true, it’s a shocking measure of just how far right the Republicans now are.

'As the Ohio Senate minority leader once said, “I can tell you my job would be a whole lot easier if John Kasich were actually a moderate.”

He wants a balanced-budget amendment, leading Paul Krugman to say that if “he’d been president in 2009-10, we’d have had a full replay of the Great Depression.”

He often presents himself as a religious, compassionate conservative who quotes the Bible — and proved it by denying waivers for work requirements that threw 130,000 Ohioans off food stamps.

He has signed everything put in front of him that chips away at women’s healthcare access. He has slashed public school spending and steered hundreds of millions into a scandal-ridden charter system. He’s given huge tax breaks to the wealthy, and he’s anti-union.

So where does the “moderate” label come from? He was one of a handful of Republican governors who agreed to accept the Obama Medicaid expansion. Though he also refused to set up a state exchange, and he tried to narrow eligibility for some pregnant women despite the fact that Ohio has some of the highest infant mortality rates in the country.

Or, as they say, in the valley of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.'

http://bluenationreview.com/dont-be-fooled-john-kasich-is-no-moderate/

more:

John Kasich on high-speed rail for Ohio: "We don’t have any idea who would even ride the train. This is just the federal government wanting to spend money, and they've got it all wrong."

Kasich doesn't "have any idea who would even ride the train?" How about people who need to travel to Columbus from Cleveland or Cincinnati - or travel across Ohio - who don't want to put up with driving on Interstate 71 because it's too much of a hassle? How about people who want to take the train to transfer to an Amtrak train to take them to New York or Chicago? Mr. Kasich, do you have any idea about the cleaner air, less congested highways, and new jobs high-speed rail in Ohio would generate? Or how much more cost-effective it would by than more highway construction? Do you have any idea at all? About anything?
Kasich, a budget expert and former Wall Street executive, knows his numbers. But, like any other number cruncher, he knows the cost of everything and the value of nothing.

Walker and Kasich would have gladly taken stimulus money for more highways, but Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood, a Republican, put his foot down. Trains or nothing. And nothing is what the residents of those two states are going to get. One Midwestern governor, Pat Quinn of Illinois, is happy to see his counterparts in Wisconsin and Ohio refuse the railroad money. Quinn, a Democrat who was just elected to a term in his own right after completing the infamous Rod Blagojevich's second term, is eager to get more money fort his state's high-speed passenger train program, and Illinois's senior senator, Richard Durbin, has said his state will be happy to take the money Wisconsin and Ohio don't want. LaHood, also from Illinois, might be happy to oblige.

http://stevenmaginnis.blogspot.com/2010/11/more-derailings.html

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For information:Don’t Be Fooled: John Kasich is No Moderate. (Original Post) elleng Feb 2016 OP
The only reason he pushed the medicaid expansion was to get himself re-elected after he Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #1
Recommended. The illusion that Kasich is a moderate reflects corporate media framing. guillaumeb Feb 2016 #2
He can only play this moderate card while standing next to Trump and Cruz. He would have GreenPartyVoter Feb 2016 #3
I still follow Ohio politics ... I said, shortly after Kasich announced ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #4
But Is He Moderate In Comparison? SoCalMusicLover Feb 2016 #5
I appreciate the discussion, SoCalMusicLover, elleng Feb 2016 #8
He is about to sign a bill to defund Planned Parenthood in Ohio rbrnmw Feb 2016 #12
Yes, He's A Repub SoCalMusicLover Feb 2016 #13
I live in Ohio. You are right. Of course, if he were a moderate the GOP would kick him out. n/t pampango Feb 2016 #6
I understand that an Ohio bill to strip Planned Parenthood funding is going to come before him world wide wally Feb 2016 #7
Right. Ohio Gov. John Kasich gets bill to defund Planned Parenthood. elleng Feb 2016 #9
Every single GOP candidate is more radical than Bush was. phantom power Feb 2016 #10
No member of the GOP clown car is close to being reasonable or moderate Gothmog Feb 2016 #11
Which Confuses Me Even More SoCalMusicLover Feb 2016 #15
The real question is tRump insane/crazy or is he just trolling the repubican party? madinmaryland Feb 2016 #16
I Guess Nobody Really Cares Who Gets Their Nomination SoCalMusicLover Feb 2016 #14
The lesser of two evils is always the person who's gone. hughee99 Feb 2016 #17

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
1. The only reason he pushed the medicaid expansion was to get himself re-elected after he
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 06:58 PM
Feb 2016

pissed off so many Ohioans trying to strip away union rights.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
2. Recommended. The illusion that Kasich is a moderate reflects corporate media framing.
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 06:59 PM
Feb 2016

The same media that calls Paul Ryan a "thinker" in the GOP for espousing the same supply side nonsense that Reagan pushed. At least Reagan had the excuse of senility.

GreenPartyVoter

(72,377 posts)
3. He can only play this moderate card while standing next to Trump and Cruz. He would have
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 07:00 PM
Feb 2016

a much harder time looking like a moderate next to Bernie, for example.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
4. I still follow Ohio politics ... I said, shortly after Kasich announced ...
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 07:01 PM
Feb 2016

he was the republican that I really feared. But then, I thought trump would have gotten bored and dropped out of the race by now.

 

SoCalMusicLover

(3,194 posts)
5. But Is He Moderate In Comparison?
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 07:03 PM
Feb 2016

I appreciate the fact that here at DU we are not supposed to say a single positive thing about the other side.

But taking the blinders off, is it wrong to say that someone like Kasich is the lesser of all evils? He's still a repub of course, and his policies are the antithesis of the Democratic party ideals, but are they at least closer than the other clowns in their party?

Let's look at it this way. SOMEONE is going to win the nomination. And that person has a chance at becoming the next President. No matter how much we hate all of their candidates, one of them is going to make it through. That's the facts.

Trump is a madman, Cruz is an evangelical freak, and Rubio is horrible as well. Bush is well.....Bush, Christie & Carson are just about done, and Kasich really doesn't stand a chance.

Given that, and knowing that someone is coming out of that bunch, I certainly think Kasich is less extreme than the other choices. Not that he is not extreme, just that he's less.

I find it funny that there are different threads each saying every repub is worse than the others. One listen to Trump or Cruz speak and I can't see how anyone can say that. Those guys scare me. Kasich is no great, but he's nowhere near as off the deep end as the 3 repubs most likely to stand a chance, and by that I mean Trump, Cruz or Rubio.

 

SoCalMusicLover

(3,194 posts)
13. Yes, He's A Repub
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 07:45 PM
Feb 2016

Do you think any of the other candidates would do different? Do you really expect any repub to not oppose Planned Parenthood? That's what they do.

FWIW, he's open to discussion about climate change and global warming. I don't think you're going to see any of the other candidates open to debate that subject.

Not trying to defend him, or say I'd be happy with him as President. Just saying that he seems less Bizzarro than the other clowns.

world wide wally

(21,744 posts)
7. I understand that an Ohio bill to strip Planned Parenthood funding is going to come before him
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 07:06 PM
Feb 2016

shortly for his signature.
Let's see how "moderate" he is.

elleng

(130,923 posts)
9. Right. Ohio Gov. John Kasich gets bill to defund Planned Parenthood.
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 07:18 PM
Feb 2016

'An Ohio bill that seeks to divert government money away from Planned Parenthood is headed to Republican Gov. John Kasich for his expected signature.

The GOP-led state House cleared the legislation Wednesday as Kasich, a Republican presidential contender, campaigned for the coming GOP primary in South Carolina.'

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ohio-gov-john-kasich-gets-bill-to-defund-planned-parenthood/

phantom power

(25,966 posts)
10. Every single GOP candidate is more radical than Bush was.
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 07:22 PM
Feb 2016

One of them is going to be the GOP Presidential candidate, and they're all dangerous radicals.

Gothmog

(145,288 posts)
11. No member of the GOP clown car is close to being reasonable or moderate
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 07:27 PM
Feb 2016

Kaisch is not a moderate but only looks less insane compared to Trump and Carnival Cruz

 

SoCalMusicLover

(3,194 posts)
15. Which Confuses Me Even More
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 07:56 PM
Feb 2016

On the one hand you say he looks less insane compared to Trump or Cruz. But on the other hand he's just as bad.

I think the only thing that would make some DU'ers content is if the other side had no nominee at all.

Personally, I would prefer someone that looks less insane than Trump or Cruz, even if that person were also insane.

It's pointless to argue. Kasich is not going anywhere. Trump, Cruz & Rubio will continue on, and that doesn't scare anyone more than if Kasich were added to that list. As for me, the 3 leaders scare the shit out of me, so yes, Kasich does seem less insane in comparison.

madinmaryland

(64,933 posts)
16. The real question is tRump insane/crazy or is he just trolling the repubican party?
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 08:21 PM
Feb 2016

Just driving everyone as far to right as possible. He seems to be doing a hell of a job doing that, even if he is not trolling the repubics. Don't forget that he is an entertainer, first and foremost.

Cruz is actually certifiably insane.

 

SoCalMusicLover

(3,194 posts)
14. I Guess Nobody Really Cares Who Gets Their Nomination
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 07:50 PM
Feb 2016

That's what it sounds like reading every thread attacking a specific candidate.

Kasich as the nominee is just as bad as Trump or Cruz. And Kasich as President would be viewed by many here as just as bad as if Trump or Cruz became President. There is NO lesser of all evils I guess, they're all equally madmen.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
17. The lesser of two evils is always the person who's gone.
Wed Feb 10, 2016, 08:40 PM
Feb 2016

I remember in '08 hearing about how McCain was even worse than bush, and in '12 about how Romney was even worse than both of them. If Kasich wins the nomination, he will be the worst republican ever until the 2020 election where he'll look good by comparison.

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