Moral: don't send abusive PMs

[cyberswede]

MIR Team (EarlG) banned darkangel218

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Reason:
Frequently on suspension for getting too many posts hidden by Jury, then sending abusive DU mail messages to other members. Final straw was harassing an Asian DU member with an unsolicited message insinuating that they weren't really Asian.

http://www.democraticunderground.com?com=profile&uid=286706&sub=trans

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Posts: 13,985
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Star member: Yes

[Texasgal]

1. Color me shocked..

[msanthrope]

55. I'm shocked, shocked...

https://m.

[Texasgal]

96. hey YOU!

Missed you. *hugs*

[Glassunion]

144. Well, at least it's a nice shade of pink.

[artislife]

200. I some from a Vanilla person.

And another one who disappointed me a lot.


But I don't know them so their words have little meaning, they just expose who THEY are.

[alcibiades_mystery]

2. That one did not play well with others

Abrasive doesn't begin to cover it.

[In_The_Wind]

3. Leaning how to play nice is part of becoming an adult.

[beam me up scottie]

4. Yep, I hope it's the first of many.

Start reporting those abusive pms to admin, people!

[cui bono]

9. Yeah, I wish those on time outs would lose pm privileges. I don't want to hear it!

There's a reason they're on time outs.

.

[passiveporcupine]

49. I agree. It's the only time I ever get abusive PM's

I know they feel desperate and that's the only way they can reach out to bite us, but it probably should not be allowed.

[11 Bravo]

68. I've been here for 14 years and have NEVER received an abusive PM.

I don't get it, because I can be a real ass hole!

[passiveporcupine]

69. You're doing good.

I've only gotten two of them so far. Whew!

[Boudica the Lyoness]

99. Me to.

[KT2000]

135. try messing with a

corporate troll. They do not like the truth.

[Blue_In_AK]

187. I've gotten one,

and it was a doozy. The guy was tombstoned within 30 minutes.

[demmiblue]

198. Let me guess... death threat guy? n/t

[Blue_In_AK]

199. Muslim-hater guy.

And I'm not even Muslim, just have a secular Muslim in my family.

[LeftishBrit]

196. Nor have I - occasional disagreement but always civilized

I wish I could say the same about another board I was once briefly on, where one of the hosts went all paranoid about me, and accused me of keeping audiovisual material on them, etc., and even ended up phoning me at work from thousands of miles away (to avoid confusion, this was NOT Discussionist).

But never on DU in the nearly 12 years I've been on it.

[Jim Lane]

64. I understood your position, but I for one find the PMs amusing.

I won't say that the PMs I got left me rhapsodic, but they did permit a bit of schadenfreude.

[unapatriciated]

149. same here...

received a few from someone I have never interacted with, even posted for the first time in Ask the Administrators about it. That person is still here.

[awoke_in_2003]

122. And post it publicly

If you send abusive PMs, don't expect privacy.

[Duckhunter935]

130. That is what Skinner posted in response

to the one that complained about me posting his messages to me.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=185304

My advice is that people refrain from sending DU Mail messages that they don't want posted publicly.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12599446#post1

[Blue_Tires]

5. just a matter of time...

[LiberalAndProud]

6. Gee, I would have thought the Reagan worship should have been enough of a reason.

[hobbit709]

7. There's at least one more doing the same thing.

[beam me up scottie]

12. +1

[cyberswede]

13. Alert on the PMs

I always wondered if those type of alerts got anywhere.

[hobbit709]

15. repeated "Under Review" while on time out and so far been coming back until now.

[unapatriciated]

152. tried but was unable to

I think it had to do with their account being under review. I posted about it in Ask the Adminstrators, but wasn't clear enough in my first question and they have not answered my response. In my du mail the poster appears as name removed, which gives the impression that they were banned. yet in my sent mail (where I answered and ask them to stop) you see their name and when clicking on profile they are on a time out and under review.

[yuiyoshida]

184. That was my same thought

when I alerted on that message I got..

[nadinbrzezinski]

113. Oh there are a few also doing it off site

[hobbit709]

115. Off site is a different problem.

[nadinbrzezinski]

116. It is still a problem

and one tolerated because they are who they are.

Suffice it to say... I got a list, I don't intend to interact with them, or do so as little as possible, which should be not at all.

(Damn... better check my temp, my dyslexia is off the scale)

[hfojvt]

8. but what is "abusive"?

"unsolicited" seems like a strange thing to say. Does one then need an invitation to send a PM to somebody? I do not send a lot of them, but some of them have been unsolicited. And if one is suspended it is one way they can reply to a post and get a reply (PM) back.

"insinuating" seems like a judgement call to me. Communication is tough. Is it fair to read between the lines? On the other hand some people are good at being subtle about what they want to say. They can twist the knife and then play innocent.

Probably when you have multiple suspensions you do not get the benefit of the doubt.

I guess too when one is PMing they should take special care to try to make their message a nice one, at least if they are the one initiating the exchange.

[hack89]

16. It's simple - don't carry public arguments over into private messages

just let it go rather than getting in the final word.

[Orrex]

19. Like that time Dr Strange sent me nude photos of 19th century presidents

Enough is enough already.

[hfojvt]

21. aha

right there is you insinuating a request for such photos.

and I never did get my doctorate, so it's Mr. Strange.

[Orrex]

27. Lots of strangeness to go around, but this is a different Dr Strange

And I decline to confirm what I may or may not have requested.

[roguevalley]

62. I congratulate a post, ask about a name and how they got it because some are so

damned clever ... Ferd Berfel ... BWAHAHAHA! ... or tell someone my condolences at their situation. I don't pursue off list.

[bluedigger]

41. How would one go about subscribing to such a list?

Asking for a friend.

[Orrex]

45. You have to be invited. It's a very exclusive club.

[bluedigger]

48. They wouldn't want me then.

I like to get down with the hoi polloi.

[Dr. Strange]

56. Locking.

We're locking this subthread. Posting thinly dressed call-outs of DUers, especially one as awesome as Dr. Strange, is a violation of the TOS. (And also a violation of the Geneva convention, as well as any reasonable standard of civilization.)

[madinmaryland]

73. Hey! He sent me naked pictures of the members of the Canadian Band Rush.

[Dr. Strange]

88. I only did that...

so that you could see Neil Peart's third drum stick in action.

[Orrex]

138. He's Geddy with excitement.

[Warren DeMontague]

75. I tell you what, they didn't call him James K. Polk for nothing.

[rug]

86. Franklin Pierce was a scalawg.

[Cal Carpenter]

192. Franklin Pierce's great-great-great-etc grandson

was my fifth grade teacher. He had six toes on each foot. I think it ran in the family.

[rug]

194. That's a fascinating tidbit.

Did he ever take his shoe off and show the class?

[Cal Carpenter]

195. Yes indeed!

It was weird and awesome

[tammywammy]

23. Unsolicited is one thing

Abusive is entirely different, example: FUCK YOU!

I'd been on the receiving end of her PMs before, it wasn't that they were unsolicited that bothered me, it was that she attacked me via PM (see example above).

[hfojvt]

37. that's pretty clearly abuse

the example in this case though

was "insinuating" that "a person is not really Asian".

seems to me I had worse insults leveled at me - in public (on DU) And usually I don't even alert them. I accept that by voicing an unpopular opinion that some people will a) get mad, and b) feel like they have group support to attack this heretic.

As insults go, that seems to be quite mild to me. I imagine somebody PMing me and saying "I don't think you are really male" or "I don't think you are really white" or something like that.

That doesn't even seem like it would leave a mark if it was said straight up and in public, much less if it was insinuated in private. At least I would consider it very mild if directed at me. It may depend on how it was said, or just that it was said seemingly out of the blue.

[tammywammy]

40. Based on her public posting

I doubt her PM could have been construed as polite by any reasonable person.

[Kingofalldems]

43. Well maybe you should request reinstatement for her.

Sheesh.

[LanternWaste]

44. You make a rather creative rationalization.

You make a rather creative rationalization.

[pintobean]

46. I think that was just the last straw.

She's been really shitty to people since she got here. And, she lies all the time; stupid blatant lies about other members.

[hfojvt]

50. I kinda said the same

or did I just insinuate it?

but I don't think she is really female

[A Simple Game]

57. I never expect anyone to believe I am who I say I am nor do I believe anyone on the internet

is who they say they are. Nor do I go out of my way to reference myself other than vaguely. That said I don't go out of my way to accuse them of being liars... for the most part. Some are obviously honest and some are obviously lying. The vast majority who knows nor should we care other than the opinions they put forth.

[roguevalley]

63. on some things like fanfiction lists for shows like the HBO series Oz I post with a

man's name because its safer. You get a different level of treatment and respect than a female name

[hfojvt]

65. that's kinda my point

but I believe lots of people. If you tell me you are from South Dakota, for example, I will believe that. Why not? A) What difference does it make? and B) Why should you lie about it?

But at the same time, if I say "I don't believe you are a South Dakotan" why should you care? What is the big deal if strangers question your integrity? I mean, I would understand some skepticism. How do they know, after all? And why do I care?

It's not a friendly action, to question my integrity, but everybody does not have to be my friend.

[Arazi]

72. They harass DUers like Nadinbrezinski with the identity thing

Even as she's made her public persona available and its clear shes who she says she is - a Mexican Jew

Ive even seen Omaha Steve questioned on whether he has a terminal illness.

Its really unpleasant

[tblue37]

103. On the internet, no one knows:

[Lazy Daisy]

66. Questioning someones background

racial, gender, gender identity, whatever is NEVER a good idea in a PM and is likely a nasty PM.

I can see in open debate i.e. questioning that particular poster if they are indeed a democrat (with all that Reagan good grunting) would be acceptable, but to do it in private messaging? That feels like an attack.

If in each thread I presented myself as a young homosexual Latino male to gain favor for crappy opinions, but sounded more like a middle aged white woman (which I am) calling someone out in a respectful way in the thread isn't an attack but voicing an observation.

And yeah, he claimed to be a Bernie supporter. Pfft

[yuiyoshida]

185. It was a nasty pm

I have seen the same thing about me on discussionist, which is why I never go there.

[Rex]

176. Nice devils advocate, but that poster also questioned the race of another well know DUer.

So they seemed to have problems far beyond angry PMs. IMO.

[seaglass]

10. Yes, finally another troll bites the dust. And your point is well taken cyberswede, abusive

PMs whether on time out or not are OTT.

[snooper2]

11. bout' time, but she is a "mystic" so I'm sure she will "mysteriously" be back LOL

[demmiblue]

14. I'm not surprised, though I have seen more people comment on another DU mail harrasser.

Drama llamas.

[demmiblue]

33. Come to think of it, I did have one from her: "Whatever. She wik" (yes, that is all).

DU Mail Message from darkangel218
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darkangel218
Whatever. She wik

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Reply to this DU Mail

Alert abuse Delete this DU Mail

I think she has some substance abuse issues. I hope she seeks help.

[Phentex]

142. I got one but it was not abusive...

she asked me to delete my post - which was so funny to me since she was the queen of self delete.

I did not respond and I did not delete.

[longship]

17. DUers who disrupt need to go buh-bye.

It sounds like this DUer was given ample chance.

Having multiple time outs for too many hides is a good metric, IMHO.

In my years as a DUer I have had one hide and I changed my behavior to adopt to the letter of the DU TOS.

Some people push the edge and get put on time out. Good! Some insist on pushing further and get tombstoned. That's good, too.

We need to keep discussion reasonable here. Anything else is unacceptable.

GD.P is out of hand, as are many posts in the candidate groups. (Granted many are also very reasonable -- one gives credit where it is due.)

Our collective enemy is no Democratic candidate. It is the party which desires our destruction. Make no mistake about that.

Keep on. But support our Democratic Party, in spite of internal battles and friction.

Together we win; divided we lose. Do not allow our opponents to influence our unity against them.

[Orrex]

18. I thought they were PPR'ed a long time ago.

[pinboy3niner]

20. No, just multiple time-outs. Many of us have waited a long time for the other shoe to drop. nt

[cwydro]

100. There are a few here with never-ending time-outs.

I don't get why that's allowed.

I so agree with you. I'm always waiting for that other shoe, but with some I never see it.

[CreekDog]

77. I'm sure their previous account was

[salin]

127. Indeed, I was surprised that the poster was here only 3 + years

I remember a similar styled poster with an almost identical nic going back many more years (as in before President Obama.) assumed it was the same person and wasnt aware of a banning.

[CreekDog]

134. A while back, someone suggested that darkangel was Skippy's caricatured sock

something was always off about darkangel and on here, they were the best of buddies and shared mutual talking points against gun control and against Hillary.

her petition to reinstate NYC_SKP
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026780468

"I love you NYC_SKP..."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/128011745

Skippy loves her back
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1018400887

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6527456

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=362212

decide for yourself.

[Phentex]

141. I thought it might be backwoodsbob...

but DA loved animals and hated BWB once the dog story got out.

[senz]

150. Well that sounds like a nice person.

Sometimes nice people have low boiling points and get themselves into trouble.

Maybe there could be a special Group where they could be confined for a while, unable to post anywhere but there, and exposed to online therapy until they show signs of improvement.

Why not?

[kath]

87. Yes. This. Boot them out of here.

They really stink up the place.

[tblue37]

105. Not automatically, because a few really *are* alert stalked. I have seen it while

serving on juries for innocuous posts. I saw 2 such posts improperly alerted on in one evening for one poster.

[pintobean]

108. Alerts don't mean shit

It takes juries to hide posts.

[tblue37]

109. And juries can be biased. I have seen jury comments that indicate the juror

Last edited Mon Feb 8, 2016, 11:01 PM - Edit history (1)

was hiding not because of the post in question but because of hostility toward the person being alerted on.

[pintobean]

118. So? Some people poison their own jury pool

by being an asshole. Admin changed the rules on who can be on a jury to include people we have on ignore. People who are continually disruptive are less likely to get the benefit of the doubt.

[demtenjeep]

166. agree and if they think this place is so horrible, then they should find a new place to play

I am who I am.

I call them as I see them


so far since around w's first term it has served me well



if someone were to send me a nasty pm, I would sure put it public

[pintobean]

24. Lol. I think she was PmWI last night.

She was doing the same crap on Discussionist. She's in time-out there, too.

[Renew Deal]

25. Hmmmm

[Leith]

26. It Doesn't Surprise Me One Bit

I've been on the receiving end of her temper.

[Duckhunter935]

28. I had one of those

Finally had to block his PMs. He went to ATA and complained when I posted his messages in the open. He is on another vacation, I think it is his 5th.

[Cleita]

29. I have a few blocked myself for unwanted PMs.

Maybe some don't know you can do this through the ignore function.

[GoneOffShore]

79. I was Juror #4

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service
Mail Message
On Mon Feb 8, 2016, 03:19 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

I had one of those
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7593865

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This is a lie.

Please hide.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Feb 8, 2016, 03:33 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: "This is a lie"? Oh, and I'm supposed to know that? LOL That you'd go out of your way to speak up on behalf of the unidentified poster in question leaves little doubt.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: If it's a lie, say so in open forum. Though this thread should probably get locked as it's overly 'meta'.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

[kjones]

80. I was a no comment. nt

[Duckhunter935]

90. thanks

[jberryhill]

84. I was juror #3

[Duckhunter935]

91. thanks

[Duckhunter935]

89. thank you

I would not be surprised if the alerter is the one I had to block. He said the same thing in his PM to me.

[awoke_in_2003]

124. Stupid alert. nt

[Duckhunter935]

132. Yep, I agree

[Duckhunter935]

131. Interesting choice of words

This is a lie.

and from the person that sent me unsolicited mail and would not stop

You lie.

No I didn't. that is a lie.

My only guess is he still must like my posts.

[Gormy Cuss]

30. Another moral: multiple timeouts are ineffective

and perhaps should result in an automatic PPR.

[Warren DeMontague]

76. I Think it would be great if multiple timeouts resulted in a ban

But i can think of some multiply-timeouted long time members who would disagree.

Such a thing would need to be enforced automatically, of course.

Not "well those people deserved it, but the people in my club are unfairly picked on"

[Gormy Cuss]

92. Yep, automatic.

Just as 4 votes hide a post, 5 hidden posts lead to a timeout, X timeouts should result in a permanent ban. We're all adults here, after all.

[Warren DeMontague]

93. Indeed.

And there's always Discussionist for the exiled.

[eppur_se_muova]

191. Perhaps offenses should have a "half-life" ....

so that someone who gets 5 offenses in a week is banned, someone who gets 5 offenses in 10 years is not.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

31. In my defense. I was pretty wasted when I PM'd you the Ted Cruz Patriotic Speedo Calendar. nt

[cyberswede]

32. LOL

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

35. Correction

PM'd








.

[pinboy3niner]

38. Picky, picky, picky

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

81. N'HA!! (Tweety Matthews laugh). nt

[pinboy3niner]

34. *snort*

[tammywammy]

39. That should qualify for an automatic PPR

[pinboy3niner]

47. Puke Puke Regurgitate?

[Paulie]

36. DWP - it's real

Can still enjoy all the antics at Discussionist.com

[tammywammy]

42. Well only on the few days she can managed to go between timeouts. n/t

[SoapBox]

51. If they don't learn...

Then good bye.

Thanks Admin.

[SecularMotion]

53. Frequent time-outs should warrant permanent suspension.

[msanthrope]

54. Oh well....nt

[Zorra]

58. Anyone who praises Reagan here should be banned automatically. nt

[LeftishBrit]

197. I tend to agree - or Thatcher! - but I wouldn't have thought any regular DU-er would...

[SheilaT]

59. In all my years here I've only once, and that quite recently,

gotten any harassing PMs. And then the same person did it three times in one day, and when a couple of days later did the same thing, I reported it to the Administrators. He or she seems to be on a time out right now, for which I'm quite glad, because looking back at some of that person's posts, many of them were quite rude and confrontational.

And it's not as though I'm all sweetness and light here, either. I've gotten into pretty strongly with many, and I've only been banned from the Hillary group, but they ban anyone who so much as posts truthful assessments of her record.

I've really gotten into it on the gun forums, and I really like those people because they have never banned me. They push back very hard, because we really don't see eye to eye, but their willingness to let someone like me keep on showing up is a fine example for all of us.

[tammywammy]

61. Always report abusive PMs.

Have you blocked mail from them too?

[Warpy]

60. Moral, if you're not adult enough to roll your eyes and hit "full ignore,"

you're probably not adult enough to be on a political site.

Color me completely unsurprised by this.

[steve2470]

67. excellent point! nt

[lpbk2713]

70. Didn't know when to back off.

It was predictable.

[AngryAmish]

71. No one sends me abusive messages

[lumberjack_jeff]

74. Me either.

The abuse I get is public virtue signaling. Dog whistling for an audience.

[Make7]

136. Check your Inbox. ( n/t )

[tammywammy]

143. .....

[MrWendel]

78. Huh...

got a PM(s) from darkangel a few days ago.

[Flying Squirrel]

82. And what about VR?

Still waiting...

[neverforget]

111. Flagged for review

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=296000

[pintobean]

120. For quite some time

Last post: Sat Dec 19, 2015, 10:24 AM

Flagged for review has become kind of a purgatory for some people. I've ATAed about it, but it didn't get answered. There are a couple of people who have been flagged since last summer.

[stevenleser]

125. Fascinating. Who else? Nt

[pintobean]

128. That I know of

I just rechecked them and there are no changes.

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[stevenleser]

129. At least three of the four deserve it. I don't know seveneyes.

The rest were pretty nasty the last few months they posted.

[stevenleser]

188. Upon further review, I think this is admins preventing them from getting

Themselves tombstoned during the primaries.

It's like Skinner and EarlG made the decision that these were otherwise good folks that couldn't handle the primaries the way they were behaving and were on their way to begin PPRd and thus they decided just to leave them on flagged for review until the primary was effectively decided.

I may be reading way too much into it but that seems most likely to me. Otherwise let them post or put them out of their misery and PPR them.

[seaglass]

139. Ha, that is my question in ATA, might as well delete it then. There is one poster who has been

flagged for review since last April. Not that I miss him or anything, I was just curious about why it was happening.

[pintobean]

140. See if they answer it.

My question was when they were swamped with the server switch-over. They left a lot of questions unanswered.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

157. I was once flagged for a week

It was annoying as hell, especially since I got two quick hides for criticizing Mark Sanford and his mistress of all people.

[ladyVet]

137. Ah. I've had that one and the subject of the OP on ignore for a long time.

I have no issue with people arguing their side, but some go off on the cray cray train, and I ain't got no time for that shit.

[salin]

159. VR?

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

83. Good riddance

That person had emotional issues, and this isn't the place to work them out by being horrible to others.

[Odin2005]

85. What a dick.

Final straw was harassing an Asian DU member with an unsolicited message insinuating that they weren't really Asian.

Christ Almighty...

[SidDithers]

94. DU rec...nt

Sid

[MerryBlooms]

95. Members who send repeated abusive PMs should receive an automatic ban.

There's really no excuse. The admins shoving the abuse onto the victim by telling them to block, is crap. Repeat time-out offenders should lose ALL privileges to DU. Harassing and abusing people through PM's crosses the supposed, 'civil', line, and they should be banned. The people who use PMs to skirt juries should also be banned. People who receive these abusive PMs need to alert every time.

[hifiguy]

97. I received some very abusive PMs two or three years ago.

Didn't bother reporting them because they were from "special" people who were and are allowed to say anything to anyone.

[nadinbrzezinski]

117. Me too

I just put that person on partial ignore. And it was not one, but two of them.

[Skittles]

98. oh I've had that troll on Ignore for a LONG time

[PatrickforO]

101. Funny. I've gotten just a few PMs - I don't usually answer them.

Getting a little carried away to send someone a nasty one, eh?

[Ptah]

102. Message hidden by jury decision

http://www.discussionist.com/102218512

Attera (7,359 posts)

Fuck DU! [View all]
Who is with me!

[pintobean]

178. And, she was holding back

because she didn't want to get banned here.

Now, she's free to trash DU all she wants...
just as soon as she gets out of time-out at Discussionist.

[Kali]

104. OMG! THANK YOU, EarlG!!!

[Phentex]

112. But now who's gonna call us Kali Lovers?

That troll was good for a few laughs. Nurse security guard was pretty creative at times.

[Kali]

114. When she gets off the latest time-out over at DI:

[demmiblue]

174. Lol... I think she is already back. n/t

[Jenny_92808]

107. I guess I am not special enough

to get abusive PMs

[stevenleser]

110. I know of one DUer who sent abusive PMs to me and I believe SID and a few other

Folks (unsolicited) and has been on several timeouts and is still here.

I don't really understand why if someone has demonstrated that kind of level of not being able to be able to interact well with others why they are still here.

[Rex]

179. Agree, I don't see the worry in someone getting to post here that has been in time out 3 or more

times. Granted some have been alert stalked, but others seem to end up in timeout all the time.

[Major Nikon]

119. If abusive PMs was all it took to get bounced, quite a few DUers would have been gone long ago

I'm not sure how this one lasted as long as she did. There was a considerable history of drunken belligerent postings.

[Codeine]

121. Not sure why that one lasted as long as she did.

Truly a horrible person in every way.

[NaturalHigh]

148. There are several who get repeat timeouts over and over again...

who should be gone in my opinion. This one needed to go, but there are others who are worse.

[Autumn]

153. Agree with you 100% on that. Time outs do no good. They come back and it's the same thing over

and over. It's makes a mockery out of the TOS. And then there are others who send PMs telling people they are not real Democrats. Others send PMs telling people that they are only pretending to support candidates. I liked DA and I warned her repeatedly she was crossing the line.

[NaturalHigh]

172. I can think of two that just came back last week.

They've had enough timeouts that they have no business being here.

[snooper2]

123. long thread no bugs

[PeaceNikki]

126. Bye, Felicia.

[UtahLib]

133. LOL! Best post on this thread. nt

[NaturalHigh]

145. I've only got one DU mail complaining about something I posted.

A poster replied to me, and his reply was hidden. Somehow it was my fault.

[pinboy3niner]

146. ...

[NaturalHigh]

147. One of my favorite scenes.

[Quantess]

151. That person was always nice to me.

I know she went ballistic on a lot of people, went overboard, so to speak. That was her fatal quality at DU.

[Capt. Obvious]

154. On a few occasions I received a rhapsody of abusive pm's

[Quantess]

155. She was brought up in a russian / east european family, IIRC

It came up in a conversation a long time ago.

Russians are hard in their demeanor. They just are that way, and they end up sounding harsher than they probably intended.

[pintobean]

156. On DI, she said she was Bosnian

http://www.discussionist.com/102217741#post16

She always said eastern Europe, and I always suspected Bosnia, given the timing of her immigration.

[REP]

168. "Harsh" and "unhinged" are entirely different things

I know quite a few Russians; my paternal grandparents are from there. The Russian language can sound harsh (like German can), but Russians themselves are no more likely to make up stories or fly into rages over nothing than any other people.

[Kali]

169. exactly!

I have a whole side of Russian "step-family" - none of them act like drunken 15 year olds.

[JI7]

158. I think this is the Poster that probably sent Bravenak the Letters

[pintobean]

160. What makes you think that?

[JI7]

161. from the same area it was sent, the way the letter was written

was similar to how many of her posts were. she was defensive about it even if she wasn't accused.

and her posting history . it's not a surprise she would do something like that.

[pintobean]

163. I don't think she has that in her.

Her and I have been fighting with each other for over three years. She can be mean and stupid, but she's not evil.

I see your accusation as a cheap shot at someone who can't defend herself.

[JI7]

164. mean and stupid is enough to do that

[pintobean]

165. I disagree. And, it's still a cheap shot.

You have no evidence.

[JI7]

167. that's why i said i think

although there is a lot to support it

[NaturalHigh]

173. I don't think anyone sent bravenak any letters. eom

[MineralMan]

162. Grave dancing.

I don't like that, even for people I disliked.

[Kali]

170. meh

this one was "special"

long time coming, MIRT should have taken care of her the first week she was here. one of my regrets in DU life was sending her a PM about her behavior back then to give her another chance.

[Rex]

177. Questioning another well known DUers race did it for me.

And MM is wrong, show me the grave dancing going on...I don't see it in this thread. I DO see some more interesting replies due to this being brought up.

[pintobean]

180. She praised you, though

on Discussionist.

[Rex]

181. I liked her until I saw her question anothers race.

We have had nice PMs, interesting to find out she sent out hateful PMs to people.

[pintobean]

183. She's been doing that for quite some time.

It's quite possible that she alerted on her own PMs that got her banned. She would send unsolicited PMs, accusing people of ridiculous things, then would threaten to alert admin on the replies. She did that with me, and at least one other, over on DI the night before she was banned here. She told me that she did alert on our exchange. All I did was defend myself, and accuse her of being drunk and stupid. Alerting would be self incriminating on her part.

I bet she was doing the same thing here. She sent me a couple of shit-stirring PMs here on DU a couple of weeks ago, but I didn't engage her.

[Rex]

186. I know people do alert stalk, it is just surprising to find out who it is at times.

I know I don't have the best exchange at times with other DUers...but accusing someone of making up their gender or race sends up red flags in my book.

[PufPuf23]

171. IMHO Posters on timeout should also be on time out from PM priviledges. nt

[Rex]

175. I remember that certain event.

Questioning another persons race? Things that make you go hmmmm...

[yuiyoshida]

182. I wondered if anyone had seen my alert message...

The person was suspended almost as fast as I sent it..By the way, I have seen similar messages about me on that Other website..Saying there was no way I was Asian. This is why Kimi left, same kind of harassment.

[stevenleser]

189. That is so screwed up. Sorry you experienced that. You reminded me I wanted

To say hi to Kimi on Twitter.

[yuiyoshida]

190. That maybe difficult to do

She no longer has the internet and has put her twitter account on hiatus, I will send her a phone text, as least she has that.

[brooklynite]

193. That explains a lot...

I got a private screed from darkangel218 last week after posting an innocuous question on GD

[merrily]

201. Grave dancing thread. nt