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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThis, Ladies and Gentlemen, is what political correctness gone amok looks like:
http://www.alternet.org/grayzone-project/racist-violence-and-incitement-against-refugees-explodes-across-germanyAfter the so called sex attacks of Cologne this New Year's Eve,
Yeah, I wouldn't call rape, fingering, fondling and making the extra-effort to memorize sexually explicit and threatening terms in a foreign language just so you can attack foreign women verbally "so-called sex-attacks".
It is not clear who the Oriental man really is. One day, he is described in German media as "Arab", the other day he is called "North African".
Because there is no term that covers both ethnicities, they look alike, and "Oriental" is antiquated, you dipshit.
We are told that their culture, their religion and their patriarchal background makes them this way.
How about we ask the experts on this? Oh, they are saying there is a huge machismo-component in arab culture? And there are arabic cultures where women count as second-rate humans? And the arab women's rights movements are exclusively carried by young people?
we are confronted with weird guides from European governments which should "teach" immigrants and refugees how to behave in Europe. And for that reason, we also face racist bans like the one in Bornheim near Cologne which banned all male refugees from the swimming bath.
And at that point, the article somehow fails to point out that all male refugees are banned from this public pool because some male refugees sexually harassed women.
(Maybe the author is one of those people who thinks that sexual harassment is an acceptable collateral damage that european society simply has to accept as the new normal.)
Just days ago, Sahra Wagenknecht, a leading politician from Germany's leftist Die Linke Party, proclaimed that "the right to hospitality" fades with time and that it is not possible to take "millions of people."
Oh sure. Sahra Wagenknecht is racist for pointing out that Germany cannot take in millions of people who don't speak german, who have little interest in learning german (prefering to set up cultural ghettos where they can stay among themselves), who have different morals (e.g. towards female sexuality, LGBT-people, Jews...) ...
These people need language-courses, they need somewhere they can live, they need an education that makes them ready for employment, they need jobs...
I have an idea: The US should take in a few million people who speak neither english nor spanish. The US should build millions of appartments (on taxpayer-dime) to house those immigrants. Oh, and all of those millions of unemployed immigrants are now competitors to the US-unemployed. Which means that the US just got several millions of people who came out of nowhere and qualify for social aid.
Yeah, I have a good feeling about this. That would totally work out without a hitch.
There can be no denying the ugliness of the events in Cologne.
Then maybe the author shouldn't have downplayed the rapes and sexual assault with the very first line of his article???????????
Politicians in other European countries now tout the "Austrian model, ignoring that fact that it violates international law, according to several law experts. The legal argument against it is very simple: The right of asylum cannot be denied to those who qualify.
What the author prefers to ignore here is that these millions of people coming to Europe come in two categories: refugees and immigrants. Refugees come from war-torn countries. And then there are economic immigrants who simply want to move to a country with a higher standard of living. THESE AREN'T REFUGEES. THESE ARE REGULAR IMMIGRANTS AND THEY DO NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO ASYLUM.
Perhaps this is why none of our leaders here are pressuring Morocco to take back its citizens who caused so much trouble on New Year's Eve in Cologne.
None of the european leaders is pressuring Morocco on that because there is no legal framework for that process.
It. simply. doesn't. exist.
Morocco and the european countries simply do not have legal agreements on what happens to moroccan immigrants.
These acts are not a response to anything; they emanate from pure hatred towards people who have already lost everything in war-torn Syria, Iraq or Afghanistan.
Or maybe... Maybe that hatred comes from the fact that the european governments have continually cut back social services and government subsidies for appartments. Maybe the european people compare the neglect that the european governments have for them to those very same governments now stumbling over their own feet in a hurry to accomodate and supply the immigrants and ALL OF A SUDDEN, OUT OF NOWHERE, governments suddenly have the money and the political will to help people who need affordable housing, cheap education and jobs.
In the coming weeks, Syrian families will continue to wash up on the shores of Europe with nothing after having fled from Assad and ISs brutality. Sadly, we are no longer able to tell them that they have reached safety.
What a powerful, ignorant, cherry-picking closing-statement.
We should end this article on an emotional note that totally disregards immigrants from Afghanistan, Iran, Northern Africa or the Balkans. (Those people just get in the way of inducing guilt in the reader. "Syria" is so hot right now!)
Never let facts get in the way of a good story.
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There will be state-elections in 3 of Germany's 16 states in March. Anticipate huge wins for the right-wingers and Neo-Nazis. Not because the voters agree with the Neo-Nazis or their policy-proposals for the future... Far from that.
People will vote for the Neo-Nazis in protest. Because of the failures of the establishment parties in the past. These votes will be intended as a punishment for the government-parties.
And the media will howl and complain how Germany is on its way back to Nazi-times... conveniently overlooking that this political statement has a reason:
People are pissed.
1. Where was this let's-spend-taxpayer-money-and-get-shit-done-for-people-in-need attitude when it was about Germans???
2. Merkel fucked up: She allowed the situation to escalate, instead of managing the stream of immigrants nice and orderly and setting up plans how to process those huge amounts of people administratively. (For example: Some immigrants are complaining that they have been waiting for 1 year now to have their immigration applications processed. Why does it take so long? Because the responsible agencies didn't see an increase in their workstaff despite getting masses of new cases to process.)
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)state elections in March, perhaps that will wake people up. Hopefully it wont take a Trump Presidency for people to realize political correctness gone mad is not a pretty place for liberals to be.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)Someone like Trump wouldn't have a chance in Germany.
CDU: traditionally center-right, but it moved slightly towards left under Merkel - ~40%
SPD: center-left to left - ~25%
Die Grünen: center-left to left, liberals - ~15%
Die Linke: left to far-left - ~15%
AfD: center-right to far-right - ~10%
FDP: center to center-right, economically capitalists, socially liberals - ~4% (currently not in parliament)
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)March whether those loud voices turn into votes against continuing the open door policy. I'm well aware there is no equivalent of our conservatives in Germany or anywhere else in Europe. Since I never claimed they did, I have no idea why you think I need to get educated on it.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)Quantess
(27,630 posts)I hope he sees your response.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I am so sick of this political correct bullshit I could scream. Left wing papers and blogs don't even REPORT what the migrants are doing to the citizens of Europe. It's completely one sided. It's disgusting.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)You haven't heard of the NYE sex attacks, robberies, harassment, the murder of the shelter worker, the filth that they leave strewn everywhere, their arrogant insistence that their every need be provided for in a top notch fashion, the intimidation in public spaces, etc? I could go on.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)The problem is that there's a fine line between complaining about immigrants acting badly and outright racism. I'm not excusing the crimes, but are they way more than from other demographics?
I guess some statistics might help put the crimes in perspective.
Dems to Win
(2,161 posts)Part of the ongoing scandal and fury is that German and Swedish citizens are learning that police refused to write reports or make arrests of migrant criminals, in order not to inflame anti-immigrant sentiment.
pampango
(24,692 posts)are doing to the citizens of Europe". It is what SOME of "the migrants are doing to the citizens of Europe". Please do not lump innocent refugees in with criminal migrants. It sounds like you are stereotyping all refugees and migrants because of the crimes of a fraction of them. Collective punishment of an entire group in this manner is not a liberal concept.
What 'liberal papers' are not even REPORTING this story? I read liberal papers with stories on this all the time.
Likewise, with liberals who say that the right and far-right are the only ones standing up for real people and that their conservative policies are the only solution to a problem.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Dems to Win
(2,161 posts)I'm not hearing any liberal German politicians standing up for them, offering solutions for them.
Where are the liberal politicians standing up for the right of people, Swedes and tourists alike, to traverse the Stockholm train station without being mauled by a gang of pickpockets, as the police stand by and watch? Not hearing any solutions offered by them.
As long as liberals pretend there is no problem, the right will gain strength.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Igel
(35,356 posts)He plays off the term "Orientalism", which is a term used to describe a Western condescending attitude towards a Western construction and interpretation of the cultures of the Near East/Arab world (not past Iran, and not always including Iran). In that context, "Oriental" is still used (and also in a few other niche contexts).
Like many, the writer assumes that a word with a specific meaning as part of his/her in-house jargon is the One True Meaning and anybody who doesn't agree is obviously not worth noticing.
"Oriental" referring to East Asia is fairly obsolete.
"Oriental" referring to SE Asia and N. Africa is far more archaic.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)in the UK (people of Japanese/Chinese/Korean/Vietnamese origin) prefer "Oriental" to "Asian." In the UK "Asian" is applied to people from India/Pakistan, etc.
Maybe it's just a British thing like 'petrol.'
treestar
(82,383 posts)Seems to overlook that in the zeal to use this to smear all migrants.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)Oh, what a coincidence: This technique of sexual violence has a specific name in the arab world, "Taharrush". It's almost as if it were so common that it would warrant it's own name...
Ask yourself:
Where did these young men learn this technique of hunting women as a pack? Who taught it to them?
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)but was it an aberration or standard behavior?
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)Dems to Win
(2,161 posts)The sexual harassment incident in Cologne, Germany on New Years Eve resulted in massive shock in the European community. About 1,000 immigrants of Arab origins gathered to practice mass harassment, which has become widely commonplace in Arab and Islamic countries. They separated the women in circles, with a detailed plan to isolate them so they could harass them sexually, physically, and in some cases, even raped them.
This scenario is known in our countries but for the pacifist German society that respects human rights, it is a real shock
I encourage you to read the whole article
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)"So-called sex attacks". Eff you, you misogynistic pig!
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clarice
(5,504 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Asylum/refugee status should have been limited to families and women/children.
Ship the young adult single males - who are the undeniable cause of these outrages - out now. It really doesn't matter where.
And if the left doesn't address the hard right will make more hay than can be imagined from it.
The German government's first duty is to German citizens; trying to make the cheapest of virtue points is antithetical to that obligation.
pampango
(24,692 posts)Of the 30 people arrested for the Cologne attacks on New Years Eve, 27 were from Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia, 2 were German citizens and 1 was an American. None were from Syria, Iraq or Afghanistan.
All of them or just those guilty of the committing the outrages? (If the latter, I agree. If the former, not so much.) Whether they are genuine refugees or asylum seekers of not? That's sounds like something that Mr. Trump or the German far-right could get behind. (Admittedly they would follow that up with deporting the rest of the families, women and children. Maybe that is where liberals draw the line.)
Perhaps but if Merkel had done nothing the "shit in the bed" would have been in Greece. Out of sight. Out of mind. Some might think that Germany is better to handle the 'shit in the bed' (what a term for war refugees) than Greece is capable of.
Undoubtedly true. The hard right will make hay from any liberal policy. The more poorly administered the policy, the more hay they will make from it. The hard right has been making hay about Muslim immigrants for many years. This just makes it worse.
In general I prefer that liberal governments act liberally, not out of fear of the reaction of the hard right, but a smart liberal is always aware of how the hard right is likely to react and to govern liberally and effectively.
Quite true, but not just in a RW law-and-order sense of idea. If liberal German citizens want to welcome refugees, the government has a duty to act accordingly. If 'hard right' carries the day eventually and German citizens want the refugees gone, the government will have a duty to act accordingly.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Odin2005
(53,521 posts)Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Dems to Win
(2,161 posts)Now to finish reading your OP....
Dems to Win
(2,161 posts)Have to say I hope that AfD wins big in the regional elections, to shock Germany's leaders into waking up and getting serious about solving these problems.
I stand with Germany's women and girls.