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Up is still down at the Tea Party
First, the Navy was coming, then 10,000 protestors would save them, now all they have left is someone they call God. No word yet from their friend God though.
By The Oregonian/OregonLive January 31, 2016
That's what Sean Anderson told his hometown sheriff, who called from Idaho County, Idaho, to ask if he could help. Anderson, 47, and his wife, Sandy, 48, remain encamped at the Oregon wildlife refuge with Jeff Banta, 46, of Elko, Nevada, and David Fry, 27, of Blanchester, Ohio. "I'm hoping for a miracle," Anderson told Sheriff Doug Giddings, who has been Idaho County's top law enforcement officer for eight years. "I believe God put us here." ......
Follow The Oregonian/OregonLive team from the scene today on Twitter:
Les Zaitz @LesZaitz Molly Young @mollykyoung
Hashtag: #OregonStandoff
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Lies and misinformation spread through Bundy Ranch Facebook page.
Tim Gordon ?@TimGordonKGW 21 minutes ago
The roadblock. #Oregonstandoff @KGWNews
1666. Destruction Of Government Property -- 18 U.S.C. § 1361[/center]
Section 1361 protects "any property" of the United States or an agency or department thereof, or any property being manufactured or constructed for the United States or an agency or department thereof, from willful depredation or attempted depredation. "Depredation" has been characterized as the act of plundering, robbing, pillaging or laying waste. United States v. Jenkins, 554 F.2d 783, 786 (6th Cir. 1977); cf. Deal v. United States, 274 U.S. 277, 283 (1927) ("depredation" defined in context of postal statute). This section prohibits actual physical damage or destruction of both real and personal property, but mere adverse possession of that property without physical harm is insufficient to violate the law. United States v. Jenkins, supra, 554 F.2d at 785. Section 1361 is a specific intent crime, see United States v. Jones, 607 F.2d 269, 273-74 (9th Cir. 1979), cert. denied, 444 U.S. 1085 (1980), and the government must prove that the defendant acted willfully; that is intentionally, with knowledge that he/she is violating a law. United States v. Simpson, 460 F.2d 515, 518 (9th Cir. 1972); United States v. Moylan, 417 F.2d 1002, 1004 (4th Cir. 1969), cert. denied, 397 U.S. 910 (1970). The government is not required to prove that defendant knew the property belonged to the government, because government ownership is "merely a 'jurisdictional fact'." United States v. LaPorta, 46 F.3d 152, 158 (2d Cir. 1994), quoting United States v. Feola, 420 U.S. 671 (1975). In fact, title or possession by the United States is not a necessary element of this offense, if the property in question was being made for the United States. The government must present evidence establishing value of damage. United States v. Seaman, 18 F.3d 649, 651 (9th Cir. 1994). The penalties for violations of this section are tied to the extent of the property damage. As amended on September 13, 1994, if the damage exceeds $100, the defendant is subject to a fine of up to $250,000, ten years imprisonment, or both. See Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, Pub. L. 103-322, § 330016, 108 Stat. 1796, 2146-47 (1994). When property damage does not exceed $100, the offense is a misdemeanor punishable by a fine of up to $100,000, one year imprisonment, or both. See 18 U.S.C. §§ 3559(a), 3571.
[center]ONDA @TheOregonDesert
Pledge to roll up your sleeves & restore Malheur Refuge when calm returns! Volunteer: http://buff.ly/23wiXLA #ONDA
TheMaryEllenCarter ?@flyaway47 53 minutes ago
Lisa #Bundy said "Hold your ground" - until no bail til #OregonStandoff over - now "Go home"
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/30/opinion/the-war-for-the-west-rages-on.html
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)And mockage.
malaise
(269,005 posts)Delusional dingbats
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)uppityperson
(115,677 posts)23h23 hours ago
Pacific patriots is an umbrella group for 3% er's from various states militia folks.
23h23 hours ago
Reset: in Burns OR, where a protest is scheduled for late afternoon. Pacific Patriots umbrella militia group here.
23h23 hours ago
plan rolling protest to honor LaVoy Fimnicum & to tell federal law-enforcement to go home. They say the community wants it. #Oregonstandoff
20h20 hours ago Maryland, USA
All quiet in Burns Oregon... but a group of self described patriots plan a protest at 6. We'll keep an eye on it for you
19h19 hours ago
A small gathering of trucks with the flags, setting up for rolling protest in Bearns.
19h19 hours ago
The gathering is growing.
19h19 hours ago
The message is clear.
2h2 hours ago
Heading to the roadblock near the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.
1h1 hour ago
The roadblock.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)I couldn't help picturing the 4 saying, ""Hey guys, we're over here. Over here, guys. Guys? Guys?..."
phantom power
(25,966 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)David Fry tells @OPBnews they've lost Internet and all but his phone has been cut. He can receive calls but not dial out. #Oregonstandoff
http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/fbi-blocking-lines-of-communication-militants-say/
It also seems the landlines at the refuge are out of service. #Oregonstandoff
.... Sean Anderson, another of the remaining militants inside the refuge, expressed frustration with the FBIs barricade that is preventing media from getting into the refuge.
Repeated calls to the refuges landline Sunday morning resulted in a busy signal.
OPB has reached out to law enforcement for confirmation.
OfflineClarity ?@ClarityOffline 7 minutes ago
@jay_mulligan #PublicLandsGood #Oregonstandoff Tumalo Falls, Deschutes National Forest
Kaleva
(36,304 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)"Portrait of a man as a seditious old fart" Perfect...just perfect.
http://wonkette.com/598355/sundays-with-the-militia-in-tarp-mans-novel-guns-are-the-most-interesting-characters
.... the novel, Only by Blood and Suffering: Regaining Lost Freedom, isnt quite as completely unreadable as wed anticipated. Its merely tedious, badly written, laughably preachy, and composed of militia propaganda standing in for dialogue, with some pretty cheesy action sequences thrown in to hold the whole mess together. Its a bit like somebody read a lot of Red Dawn fanfiction while visiting Alex Joness Infowars website. How bad is this book? Its so deliciously bad that were going to make this review a two-parter, because theres simply so much wonderful idiocy in it wed feel remiss if we didnt share as much as possible with you Wonkers.
The plot, such as it is, follows the travails of the Bonham family, whose patriarch, a flinty old cowboy named Jake, lives on a ranch in southern Utah, near the conveniently-named real town of Orderville. .......
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Landowners Inside FBI Perimeter: 'Were Psychologically Exhausted'
Andy and Vena Dunbar have spent the past six days living within a no mans land inside the FBI checkpoints that now surround the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge headquarters.
Were psychologically exhausted, Andy Dunbar said. For most of this week weve felt that we havent been getting any support. Weve basically felt like weve needed to protect ourselves.
Their 400-acre ranch is directly adjacent to the refuge, which puts them closer to the four remaining armed militants than to law enforcement.
http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/landowners-inside-fbi-perimeter-were-psychologically-exhausted/
I feel so badly for the Dunbars and the others out there. So scary.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Tomorrow the Burns town folk are responding with a Get Lost Militia protest of some sort.[center]
Michael C. Falk ?@ActuallyDaddy 2 minutes ago
Pulled this one outta my ass after reading today's news... #malheur #oregonstandoff #politicalcartoons
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)SwankyXomb
(2,030 posts)A LaVoy should be a safe space where women (and men!) can utilize their dildos without fear or shame. Places with LaVoys can be recognized by the distinctive Blue Tarp logo.
rollin74
(1,975 posts)such a level headed young fellow
He is all tough with the piece of paper but I bet he signed the ticket. That would have been the time to refuse to acknowledge it.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)TimVashon ?@TimVashon 7 minutes ago
Why #Oregonstandoff militias are domestic #terrorists, seditionists and how they betray the USA:
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2016/0130/Ransacked-Oregon-refuge-Sign-of-disdain-toward-America-s-rangers
A public backlash against the Malheur occupiers also suggests American sympathy for those who work for the US Forest Service, the Bureau of Land Management, and the US Fish and Wildlife Department.
By Patrik Jonsson, Staff writer January 30, 2016
A widespread backlash against the Malheur occupiers also suggests American sympathy for those who work for the US Forest Service, the Bureau of Land Management, and the US Fish and Wildlife Department. Ten of the occupiers have been charged with threatening and interfering with the duties of a federal officer.
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As I understand it, some of the employees in Oregon, on the refuge, had to abandon their homes, [while] occupiers were reportedly in the homes, rifling through personal papers I mean, holy cow! says David Hayes, who served as deputy secretary of the Interior under President Obama. I have tremendous respect for the public servants who are out there in the region, implementing Congress laws and looking out for the interest of all Americans, and trying to do their job. For this to become personalized against them is the biggest tragedy of whats happening.
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To be sure, field rangers from the federal government have historically served as the face of Washington on the high plains. And while most Westerners see them as neighbors whose kids attend their schools, a significant subgroup of Westerners often those bound by public land policies see them as the enemy. ......
High Country News @highcountrynews
Think Malheur is bad for public lands? Learn more about our legislator's "crusaders in suits." @PacificStand story: http://hcne.ws/1QvBKzo
Rocky Barker ?@rockybarker
I think we should salute fed land and wildlife employees in wake of #MalheurOccupation
http://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/news-columns-blogs/letters-from-the-west/article57197928.html
DJ Rubiconski ?@Rubiconski
Boise rally - Public Lands for the People
ornotna
(10,801 posts)These people are stupid.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)By Molly Young | The Oregonian/OregonLive January 31, 2016 at 6:45 PM
BURNS -- Silence settled over the monthlong armed occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge Sunday, after the final four protesters reported losing nearly all of their communication channels.
Regular video streaming from the remaining three men and one woman had offered a real-time and firsthand insight into ongoing negotiations. The sudden quiet only heightened the sense of uncertainty about when -- and how -- the anti-government standoff would end. ...........
Fry and Sean Anderson told supporters Sunday morning that their phone lines with Internet capabilities were cut. None of the occupiers has shared anything online since Saturday evening. .........
[center] DJ Rubiconski @Rubiconski
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)by Bryan M. Vance OPB | Feb. 1, 2016 5 a.m.
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Call To Action: The Pacific Patriots Network has organized a protest of the violent, malicious and deceitful tactics of law enforcement in relation to the occupation. In a press release issued Friday, the PPN called on any and all Americans to come to Burns, Oregon, for what they have described as a peaceful protest. The group said it plans to demand that the FBI leave Harney County, that Sheriff David Ward and Judge Steve Grasty resign, and that the FBI special agent in charge, Greg Bretzing, be detained during the ongoing investigation into the shooting death of Robert LaVoy Finicum.
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Hatewatch ?@Hatewatch 33 minutes ago
The government must prosecute the Oregon militants #OregonStandoff @TIME
http://time.com/4196970/oregon-protesters-arrest/
PhoenixNewTimes ?@phoenixnewtimes 51 seconds ago
"This occupation was an act of greed and entitlement, plain and simple."
http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/oregon-occupation-puts-arizona-public-land-grab-mania-in-focus-letter-to-the-editor-8016997
Jay Mulligan ?@jay_mulligan 3 minutes ago
#ProtestSigns at the courthouse: 'Not Sure What We Want!' & 'Need Gas Money' #Oregonstandoff
Vanessa Contessa ?@DailyContessa
Every country has its' seditionists, ours just have to be the dumbest.
Jay Mulligan ?@jay_mulligan 17 minutes ago
#ProtesterSigns at the courthouse saying: 'Stop Doing Stuff!' & 'We Are Mad about Something!' #Oregonstandoff
dmr
(28,347 posts)Good grief, haven't they learned anything from this past month?
Demand. Demand. Demand.
tencats
(567 posts)tencats
(567 posts)Amanda Peacher ?@amandapeacher 11m11 minutes ago Burns, OR
randome
(34,845 posts)A dozen Sovereign Citizen types against about 50 residents of Burns. Yeah, losers, it's time to leave these people alone.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"[/center][/font][hr]
tencats
(567 posts)I estimate 300 locals here supporting law enforcement and officials, 150 protesting Finicum's death. Tense.
randome
(34,845 posts)There's a lesson for us all here: if you can't get your way, invade someone else's town and start pushing them around while claiming you're trying to help them.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"[/center][/font][hr]
tencats
(567 posts)Deb Jordan has just claimed in the video that "a lot more people would be there if they weren't afraid of retaliation." So the spinning has already begun.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Salt Lake Tribune:
Editorial: Leaders must defuse rebellion before more are killed
First Published 36 minutes ago
One man is dead, and a great many more armed confrontations are likely, as understandably frustrated but horribly misled people from around the Western United States pursue a nostalgic vision of an America that never existed.
Defusing that situation will be difficult. And it cannot be left to front-line law enforcement agencies alone. Those who hold, or seek, high political office have a duty to carefully, but firmly, walk back any aid and comfort they might have given to a nascent rebel movement that seeks to defy the law and deprive all the people of the United States of their ownership and control of public lands. ..........
Molly Young ?@mollykyoung 6 hours ago VIDEO
#Oregonstandoff protest crowd keeps growing, at 400 total. Chanting 'stand down leave our town.'
KVAL News Verified account ?@KVALnews 34 minutes ago
Latest from Burns #LiveOnKVAL http://www.kval.com/live #OregonStandoff
Amanda Peacher ?@amandapeacher 3 hours ago Burns, OR
Protest/counter protests have been going on for 3 hours now.
4 hours ago Burns, OR
Protesters tried to approach the courthouse doors; locals backed up to block them. #Oregonstandoff
4 hours ago Burns, OR
This man is growing hoarse yelling "go home" to the PPN protesters.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Cliven Bundy Calls For Refuge Occupation To Continue
by Conrad Wilson OPB | Feb. 1, 2016 4:51 p.m.
Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy said Monday that the occupation at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge would continue.
In a notarized letter from Clark County, Nevada, Bundy wrote to Harney County Sheriff David Ward that We the People of Harney County and also We the People of the citizens of the United States DO GIVE NOTICE THAT WE WILL RETAIN POSSESSION OF THE HARNEY COUNTY RESOURCE CENTER. (Malhaur [sic] National Wildlife Refuge).
The letter was also sent by certified mail to Oregon Gov. Kate Brown and President Barack Obama.
Remove all federal and state policing agents out of Harney County, Bundy wrote. Place a Harney County sheriff guard post at the entrance road of the Harney County Resource Center stopping all from entering or exiting, for a time. ....
O.K., I have to ask, "If you start a rebellion, aren't you supposed to use your own Post Offices?" If you can't do mail first, FCS, don't try to take over.
Hey Cliven, it is spelled Malheur. Old rule of conquest, first learn to spell it, then become dictator.
Pete Quily ?@pqpolitics 52m52 minutes ago
"We the 97% want the 3% to GO HOME" sign in burns against unwanted III% militia #Oregonstandoff #terrorism
Raw Story @RawStory
Cliven Bundy says hes taking control and vows Oregon militants will stand their ground http://ow.ly/XPbCl
Uncle John @azmoderate
Now that #clivenbundy is taking over, per his letter to Harney Co, send dildos and lube to Cliven Bundy, PO Box 7175 Bunkerville, NV
Vanessa_Murphy ?@Vanessa_Murphy 2 hours ago Las Vegas, NV
Called #ClivenBundy to ask about notice. Relative: he is only taking calls from #militia members right now @8newsnow
Hendriks ?@egosumhicetnunc Jan 27 Retweeted Bennie Wiley
BLM needs, at the very least, to get old #ClivenBundy's damn cows off #publiclands now!
Salt Lake Tribune @sltrib
.@Patbagley Cartoon: Who Elected Ammon Bundy?
Martin Kaste @martinkaste Correspondent on NPR's National Desk. I cover police, nationally, plus the occasional regional story from the Pacific NW.
Local calls outside protestors "Tater Tots" (many from ID). Response: "you sage grouse yuppie!" #Oregonstandoff
Amanda Peacher ?@amandapeacher 10 hours ago Burns, OR
Occupation fatigue, day 31. #Oregonstandoff
Les Zaitz ?@LesZaitz 8 hours ago
Harney chair Steve Grasty: "If you are from out of town, please return home when today's demonstration is over."
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Last edited Tue Feb 2, 2016, 03:50 PM - Edit history (1)
Hundreds of people gathered Monday at the Harney County Courthouse to voice their frustrations, but the demonstrators didn't share the same anger. One faction backed the standoff, the other wanted it over. Yet both sides had staying power, with neither wanting to leave first. The dueling protests lasted about four hours at full throttle, dwindling only in the fifth hour to a handful of people.
... 67 photos ..... from the scene today on Twitter: Les Zaitz @LesZaitz Molly Young @mollykyoung Hashtag: #OregonStandoff
Mike Warner ?@MikeKATU Television News Photojournalist 15 minutes ago Hines, OR
The long, desolate, beautiful drive out to Malheur National Wildlife Refuge headquarters #LiveOnK2 #Oregonstandoff
The Bulletin ?@thebulletin 22 minutes ago
Dueling protests in Burns support, decry occupation. http://j.mp/1PShDOQ #Oregonstandoff
Jonathan P. Thompson ?@jonnypeace 26 minutes ago
Those following #OregonStandoff have heard of #ConstitutionalSheriffs. I explain the phenomenon for @highcountrynews
http://www.hcn.org/issues/48.2/the-rise-of-the-sagebrush-sheriffs
Cliven Bundy Calls For Refuge Occupation To Continue
by Conrad Wilson OPB | Feb. 1, 2016
BLM tab, $1,000,000.00, Cliven Bundy trying to write a letter, priceless.
Baseball ?@baseballminutia
#Oregonstandoff Looks like we have a new brand of Toilet Paper in Oregon, courtesy of Cliven Bundy
Amanda Peacher ?@amandapeacher 1 hour ago Oregon, USA
It's an 8 deg morning in Harney County. If the final 4 are really camping, brrr. #Oregonstandoff
Of course, Oregon's liberal governor is a target of wingnut hate too!
Hatewatch ?@Hatewatch 5 minutes ago
Cliven Bundy keeps egging on militiamen to continue standoff in Oregon #OregonStandoff
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/cliven-bundy-encourages-militiamen-to-keep-going-with-oregon-standoff
Dog Canyon ?@dogcanyon 22 minutes ago
DHS Closed Office Tracking White Terrorism After GOP Complaints
http://usuncut.com/politics/bombshell-dhs-overlooked-anti-government-militias/ #oregonstandoff
Bob Heye ?@BobHeye
U.S. Court clerk's office says refuge protester Shawna Cox wasn't supposed to be released over weekend #LiveOnK2
Fernando Nuevo ?@fernsbags 9 minutes ago
Taking up arms against the democratically elected US Government doesnt make you a patriot, dumbasses, it makes you traitors #Oregonstandoff
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)[center]
First off, lots of fans expressing admiration for this guy's "professional appearance" online
By The Oregonian/OregonLive February 03, 2016 at 5:00 AM
... Christian evangelist Franklin Graham joined talks to end the armed occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. A spokesman for Graham confirmed that he communicated by phone with both federal representatives and the four remaining holdouts at the refuge.
... The family of Robert "LaVoy" Finicum issued a second, stronger statement calling the shooting death of the refuge occupier unjustified and accusing the FBI and Oregon State Police of a cover-up.
... a roundup of key court documents filed following the arrests of 11 co-defendants accused of conspiring in the armed takeover .......
When is a horse just a horse, and when is it a mule? That depends on the level of stubborness!
Amanda Peacher @amandapeacher
Mules would NOT move outta my way. I had to coax or spank each one off the road. #HarneyProblems
Molly Young @mollykyoung @Oregonian economics reporter,
Getting caught up on yesterday's radio interview of the #OregonStandoff occupiers.
Some highlights: David Fry's parents call in, his father tells him he's proud of him.
One caller asks if they're keeping warm. Fry says yes, they're eating vegetables, hamburgers and staying by the fire.
Fry concedes the refuge occupation is technically breaking the law. He calls it "civil disobedience."
Burns PD Chief Newt Skunkcap talks with protestors, other officers remain on the fringes #Oregonstandoff
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)#OregonStandoff Day 34: What you need to know Thursday http://ORne.ws/1K0qax7 [center]
[/center]
... We've got a roundup of key court documents filed following the arrests of 11 co-defendants accused of conspiring in the armed takeover of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in January. ..........
Security beefed up at national wildlife refuges in 3 states
Representative Blumenauer FLOOR SPEECH on Malheur National Wildlife Refuge
Congressman wants feds to reimburse Harney County for costs of #OregonStandOff http://bit.ly/1UMXKaj
Federal grand jury indicts #AmmonBundy and his followers for the armed #Oregonstandoff
http://www.kgw.com/news/local/ammon-bundy-court-hearing-oregon-standoff/31616906
Wulalowe ?@Wulalowe Feb 3
Beyond #Malheur: Why Federal #Wildlife Refuges Matter So Much
#conservation #publiclands
David Shapiro @davidrshapiro @LesZaitz please explain to a lay person what is the point of a sealed indictment?
Les Zaitz ?@LesZaitz 2 hours ago Retweeted David Shapiro
Often, it allows US marshals to effect arrests before people learn they are indicted. Not sure intent in this case.
John Sepulvado ?@JohnLGC
so, what i haven't been telling y'all is for the past 36 hours i've been in communication with the militants at the refuge 1/5
i've called every four hours -- most of these conversations have been short. 2/5
the FBI was concerned about the militants poisoning themselves because they were sleeping in their cars with their engines on 3/5
they're not doing that anymore -- they're also not talking with anyone. I was called about fifteen minutes ago by an unknown number 4/5
and told that as of 12:50, there would be no more external communications -- meaning i can't call in. I was not able to reach them at 1:30.
[center]
Rep Bleumenaur introduces bill that would force occupiers to pay cost of #Oregonstandoff
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Last edited Mon Feb 8, 2016, 01:01 PM - Edit history (1)
[center]The unsealed Bundy crew indictment.
http://www.flashalertnewswire.net/images/news/2016-02/3585/91645/Bundy_Indictment_unsealed.pdf
John Sepulvado ?@JohnLGC
shortly after the phones were cut to the compound, the four at the refuge were named in an indictment.
Dan Tilkin ?@DanTilkinKOIN6
Here's the names of the 16 #oregonmilitia members indicted, including the 4 still at refuge. #koin6news
"threatened violence against anybody who attempted to remove them from the.. Refuge" #oregonmilitia #koin6news
Sam Levin ?@SamTLevin
Added to federal #oregonstandoff case is Kenneth Medenbach, guy arrested last month for driving stolen govt vehicle:
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/04/oregon-armed-militia-standoff-ammon-bundy-federal-charges-malheur-national-wildlife-refuge
Harney Cty. Sheriff ?@HarneyCoSheriff 16 minutes ago #HereForHarney
Grateful for the support from across the country- want to say thank you to our supporters out there!
KGW News @KGWNews
Who are the 4 holdouts still at the Malheur standoff? http://on.kgw.com/1TGVVNF #Oregonstandoff
Sam Levin ?@SamTLevin
Ammon Bundy's lawyers plan to play a recorded statement from him from jail at a press conference later today. #Oregonstandoff
The Register-Guard ?@registerguard 1 hour ago
FBI releases Malheur indictment, includes four remaining as defendants. Read it here: http://rgne.ws/1TGO5n2
Colin Miner ?@cominer
There could be more charges in #Oregonstandoff down the road IF prosecutors seek superseding indictment - not unusual in conspiracy cases
Western Priorities ?@WstrnPriorities 2 hours ago
Amazing @Newsweek piece on why Bundy & Co. are a bigger threat to the U.S. than ISIS.
http://www.newsweek.com/2016/02/12/right-wing-extremists-militants-bigger-threat-america-isis-jihadists-422743.html
Mike Warner ?@MikeKATU 5 hours ago Bend, OR
Pretty eastern Oregon sunrise over Burns #LiveOnK2
KATU News ?@KATUNews 15 hours ago
As #Oregonstandoff continues, Burns residents hang ribbons for unity #LiveOnK2 http://k2ne.ws/23JG0m2
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Last edited Fri Feb 5, 2016, 04:18 PM - Edit history (1)
Ammon Bundy, leader of the monthlong armed occupation of a federal wildlife refuge, said from jail Thursday that the takeover was "a needed action" and called on state and federal law enforcement officials to leave eastern Oregon. Bundy's attorneys in Eugene released an audio statement ....
Robert "LaVoy" Finicum was shot to death ... funeral is Friday, Feb. 5, in Kanab, Utah, Finicum's family said. More than 30 memorials, candlelight vigils and rallies in at least 17 states are planned for Feb. 5, Feb. 6 and Feb. 7. .....
... Chief Justice Michael W. Mosman affirmed a decision to detain Pete Santili pending trial, saying he was disturbed by several remarks Santilli made on his online broadcasts promising to shoot federal officers if they came to take him or his guns away.
Follow The Oregonian/OregonLive team Les Zaitz @LesZaitz Carli Brosseau @carlibrosseau
Lawyer for Oregon standoff 'shock jock' cites Trump's inflammatory speech in defense of his client
Bob Heye @BobHeye VIDEO
Workers putting up new billboard in Burns as standoff at Malheur National Wildlife Refuge continues #LiveOnK2
Jeanne K. @SnarkAmendment
Charming ~ Lance Bundy behind bars for burglary, weapons charges #Oregonstandoff #BundyMilitia
https://www.rawstory.com/2016/02/third-cliven-bundy-son-behind-bars-after-skipping-court-dates-on-burglary-and-weapons-conviction/
Mark Pitcavage ?@egavactip 5 minutes ago
Great statement by Oregon sheriffs on #oregonstandoff "No support for illegal actions, threats of violence" http://s.oregonlive.com/6LpkE3Z
GW Atcher ?@gergwatch 22 minutes ago
@theabundantgift: This shows exactly what kind of Man Lavoy Finicum was.. Stealing cameras from the Electric Co-Op
Derek Petersen Verified account ?@Derek_Photog
Live on @KSL5TV from Kanab for the LaVoy Finicum Funeral #KSLlive
malaise
(269,005 posts)Kick
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)They certainly seem to be a laughing stock throughout the West!
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)By The Oregonian/OregonLive February 06, 2016 at 6:00 AM
... Negotiations with the last four occupiers of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in southeast Oregon continued Friday .....
.... Oregon State Sheriffs' Association released a statement Friday opposing the views of the occupiers ....
.... A federal magistrate judge Friday ordered Brian Cavalier, the self-described "personal bodyguard'' for Ammon Bundy, to remain in custody pending trial ....
... from the scene today on Twitter: Les Zaitz @LesZaitz * Fedor Zarkhin @FedorZarkhin * Thomas Boyd @thomasboyd
progressiveforever ?@progresvforever
Cliven Lance Bundy, 35, was ordered to serve between two and eight years in prison on felony burglary and firearms charges.
The Bulletin ?@thebulletin 1 hour ago
Social media, online news key in refuge cases; W/ Malheur occupied @FBIPortland focused on Internet #Oregonstandoff
http://j.mp/1L4CGGK
Check out the full CRS document on aiding and abetting a federal crime.
https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R43769.pdf
18 U.S.C. 2(a): Aiding and Abetting
(a) Whoever commits an offense against the United States or aids, abets, counsels, commands, induces or procures its commission, is punishable as a principal. ....
Aiding and abetting means assisting in the commission of someone elses crime.19 Section 2(a) demands that a defendant embrace the crime of another and consciously do something to contribute to its success. Thus, the defendant must know that the offense is afoot before it occurs if he is to be convicted of aiding and abetting. ....
Where a sprawling network of actors find common cause.
Jonathan Thompson and Brooke Warren Feb. 2, 2016
As the armed occupation in Oregons high desert unfolded in January, it initially looked like little more than a widescreen version of the flare-ups weve seen in the West ever since the Sagebrush Rebellion erupted in the 1970s: oppressed ranchers, anti-federal rhetoric, and even stoic cowboy-hatted heroes to ride to the rescue. But a closer look and the occupations violent culmination revealed a bigger, more sinister problem than your run-of-the-mill local-control scuffle.
For starters, precious few locals (or even ranchers) were among the couple dozen occupiers of the Oregons Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. The lead occupier, Ammon Bundy, may look the part, but he actually owns a truck-fleet maintenance business in Phoenix and a McMansion in Emmett, Idaho. At one of his press conferences, Bundy said that he wasnt just sticking up for the ranchers, the loggers and the farmers, but also the auto industry, the health-care industry and financial advisors. That remark, which ignored the federal largesse those industries receive, revealed the crusades true scope.
Whereas the Sagebrush Rebellion of old was driven largely by pragmatic, grassroots concerns, todays version is purely ideological a nationwide confluence of right-wing and libertarian extremists. Many of them have little interest in grazing allotments, mining laws or the Wilderness Act. Its what these things symbolize that matters: A tyrannical federal government activists can denounce, defy and perhaps even engage in battle with. This movement, which has grown increasingly virulent since President Barack Obamas election, has created a stew of ideologically similar groups, ready to coalesce around each other when necessary.
As we head into an election year, its worth noting that many of the extreme actions carried out by fringe groups, such as the Malheur occupation, inspire other hard-core ideologues and ultimately translate into votes for like-minded politicians. In return, those politicians support the extremists and try to push their views .......
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/02/30_minutes_of_chaos_witness_de.html#incart_river_home
tencats
(567 posts)Its the latest indication that the coalition of law enforcement guarding the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge have no interest in additional militia members, media or curious members of the public getting within five miles of the headquarters.
Reporters looking into the closed-off area from a nearby hill could observe what looked like multiple roadblocks along the road to the refuge headquarters. There was no obvious sign of the four people believed to be mostly camping within the refuge. The only movement to or from the headquarters appeared to be law enforcement vehicles.
http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/oregon-state-police-malheur-refuge-arrest-warning/
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)[center]
Петра вилшенко @petvillka1992
#OregonStandoff the day after the trash of the world hailed #LavoyFinicum as hero, a REAL hero lost his life.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/06/us/oregon-police-shooting/
Did this officer hesitate because all those people in Utah were having a parade for the last guy that said he wouldn't go to jail without a gun fight? Was the shooter emboldened by outlaws glorified online by "journalist" Pete Santilli?
Can lack of action to stop domestic terrorism endanger officers? What is the duty of political leaders in their various capacities to respond to domestic terror?
Toni Tagliarino ?@ToniTagliarino 4 hours ago
I don't believe the Shawna Cox story. At all. But too many will, and that is disturbing. #Oregonstandoff
Manny Jalonschi ?@MJalonschi 2 hours ago
"weird" how the #OregonStandoff got such friendly coverage from corporations that are themselves itching to steal land
Sounds like they ran out of snacks, nothing left but prayers:
Franklin Graham @Franklin_Graham 2 hours ago
When I last spoke with the remaining #OregonStandoff protestors, they asked me if I would ask others to pray.
Cat Ballou ?@Catballou
#Oregonstandoff Yeah, for some reason, entrusting our Lands to armed domestic terrorists doesn't resonate with me.
Debbie Teashon ?@Debbie_Teashon
Oh give me a home
where militia don't roam!
#Malheur #Oregonstandoff
#OregonStandoff: LaVoy Finicum memorial torn down, reward offered for answers http://ORne.ws/1TLeD6M
Somebody tore down the memorial erected in honor of Robert "LaVoy" Finicum ... base of the cross still stood Saturday, Feb. 6, not far from the rural road on which Finicum died Jan. 26. A wilted rose and scattered leaves lay next to it, and a piece of broken lumber sat just behind it. A pocket New Testament was propped against the remains of the cross, next to a patch of the American flag. A horseshoe lay in the dirty snow. ... The destruction of the memorial is the latest sign that some residents have tired of the occupation ....
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Thank you Rev. Graham for feeding these delusional trolls. [center]
"... these are the people that we need to get rid of ...." David Fry, Feb. 7, 2016.
"... people siding with the government, taking our guns, trying to put us all in jail ..."
"I think the people need to realize that it's time that the good people, you know, stand up, bear arms, and tell all these evil trash people to piss off. And we're making a stand. And if they want try to get in the way, we got guns. They don't believe in guns, so we don't have to worry about them, they don't have guns, they're stupid. So, instead of letting these guys verbally abuse us, you know going down and trashing down memorials, you know things like that, it is time to take a stand, and it's time to fight and its time to show these scumbags who's really in charge of this country. And it's time the patriots of America show the feds we're tired of them. Let's kick these guys out of this country, or out of this state, out of all your states, get the feds out of there, they don't belong in our states. They're useless. They still haven't put Hillary behind bars. ..."
David Fry is still uploading videos.
L. Coyote
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The Oregonian really downplays the crazy, almost as if they are cheering the standoff. Their bias is obvious if you pay attention to what they leave out, like Fry calling the crazies to arms. The headline is Fry told FBI fuck you and told fellow Americans they were the enemy. Oh, and, most importantly, he wants to "get rid of" enemies and he has guns. Those details matter, that's the part we "need to know" most. The Oregonian is not where to go for the straight facts!
They did at least cover the videos story: Refuge occupier calls for feds to leave Oregon in latest release of videos
The Oregonian/OregonLive created a timeline of what the FBI, the two women in Finicum's truck and the driver of a Jeep also stopped during the confrontation have said publicly about what happened and when. We've also compared their comments to an FBI aerial video of the deadly encounter and later comments from law enforcement sources.
... from the scene today on Twitter: Les Zaitz @LesZaitz Fedor Zarkhin @FedorZarkhin Thomas Boyd @thomasboyd
carolealana ?@carolealana
Yep! #Fry posted rants "Piss of u Americans, we got guns u don't, gonna kill all who disagree" #Oregonstandoff 1/2
2/2 They rnt only 1 with guns! Normal ppl sick of this BS; #Fry & ilk will lose...BADLY
hikergirl ?@c2avilez
"This is an organized, well-funded, on-going attempt to fleece the American public." #Oregonstandoff #publiclands
Gerald M. ?@nukker3
When did "patriot" become slang for insane white domestic terrorist? It's opposite, like how 'the shit' now means good. #Oregonstandoff
"The ALC video's text even contains the same spelling errors as the one released by Bundy
http://www.sltrib.com/news/3504080-155/rolly-ammon-bundys-handiwork-behind-anti-blm #Oregonstandoff
" ... a rip-off of a heavily edited propaganda video produced in December by Ammon Bundy. ... The ALC video's text even contains the same spelling errors as the one released by Bundy, .... this is the source the ALC used to rile up anti-BLM opponents and enlist fees-paying ALC members.
The group was co-founded by Rep. Ken Ivory, R-West Jordan, who until recently was its president, making a salary of $135,000 in 2014.
Ivory has spearheaded efforts in the Utah Legislature to demand the federal government transfer control of public lands to the states and to commit millions of dollars in taxpayer funds to sue the feds over the disputed turf.
Research by Michael Heggen, a Salem, Ore., horse breeder, discloses that an original video was shot by an area rancher named John Witzel, who was armchair-quarterbacking the BLM's battle against the blaze. While Witzel criticized the agency for not acting quickly enough, he didn't accuse the BLM of "burning out ranchers" as claimed in Bundy's edited version. ......
BevMarie ?@evenbev
#OregonStandoff. With all that garbage around their camp, too bad there aren't Grizzlies in Oregon anymore. Just sayin'.....
Willamette Week @wweek
One of the final militants left at the occupation came to follow his online hero: LaVoy Finicum.
http://www.wweek.com/2016/02/03/david-fry-is-the-last-fan-standing-in-the-malheur-refuge/
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Two complaints filed Monday with the Oregon State Bar against a Eugene law firm claim that militant leader Ammon Bundy's lawyers violated ethics rules. Bundy ended up hiring Arnold Law Firm less than three weeks after its lawyers went to the occupied Malheur National Wildlife Refuge to offer their services for free. The state bar says a lawyer shall not solicit professional employment ....
... Ammon Bundy ... continues to make his voice heard while sitting in jail on a federal conspiracy charge -- his latest call urges elected officials from eight states to support their imprisoned constituents. ....
Wookie Militia @Chewie525
My lesson learned from #Oregonstandoff is redneck crackers get to blame #Gubmint for their own bad choices in life.
Rob Manning @RManning47
Cliven Bundy Says He Has Not "Committed" To Oregon Visit #OregonStandoff @OPBNews
http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/cliven-bundy-is-coming-to-burns-portland/
L. Coyote
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if it is the majority opinion of the local people ...." Trib Talk: Rep. Noel on public lands management
Denise of Course ?@Norse1965
#oregonstandoff Dear @FBIPortland, can you please go pick up these fools, we'd like our Twitter back! We're the hostages!
Rev. Magdalen ?@revmagdalen
Sheriffs association asked to investigate Palmers conduct
http://www.bluemountaineagle.com/Local_News/20160208/sheriffs-association-asked-to-investigate-palmers-conduct
L. Coyote
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[center]Andrew Dymburt ?@DymburtNews 59 minutes ago Oregon, USA
Happening now: Heavy uptick in police activity around Malheur. Have seen dozens of vehicles, some armored, coming in and out @KOINNews
Andrew Dymburt ?@DymburtNews 34 minutes ago Oregon, USA
Snap shot of some activity we are seeing. Presumably police vehicles. Ppl seen driving, wearing body armor @KOINNews
OfflineClarity ?@ClarityOffline
Just found a new document showing that the #Oregonstandoff is finally coming to an end #oregonunderattack
Ryan Haas Verified account ?@ryanjhaas 1 minute ago
Santilli's attorney applauds ACLU statement, says he'll try to get him released on bail again soon. #Oregonstandoff
http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/aclu-oregon-pete-santilli-malheur-refuge-occupier-defense/
Bay Area Resistance ?@BayResistance 4 minutes ago
We're all laughing at the idea of @ACLU defending Santilli over #OregonUnderAttack right?
http://aclu-or.org/blog/first-amendment-rights-pete-santilli
#irony #Oregonstandoff #1A
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)[center]Cornelia ?@PaladinCornelia
Migrations will be early this year.
The FunkyFinalFour need to get the hell out of Malheur!
Gary Miles ?@GaryAllenMiles #Oregonstandoff In case you aren't aware of the kinds of lies Ammon Bundy spreads along with American Lands Council
http://www.sltrib.com/news/3476561-155/rolly-videos-claim-that-blm-sparked
Dog Canyon ?@dogcanyon
If your "natural" rights rely only on firepower, rather than govt, you lose your claims to those with more guns. #Oregonstandoff
Sheriff's stance in LaVoy Finicum shooting draws outrage http://s.oregonlive.com/CF6HOLG
● A Malheur National Wildlife Refuge protester was arrested Monday on a warrant from Kansas.
● Ammon Bundy's lawyers deny claims that they violated any ethics laws as two complaints were filed Monday with the Oregon State Bar against their Eugene law firm. Bundy ended up hiring Arnold Law Firm less than three weeks after its lawyers went to the occupied Malheur National Wildlife Refuge to offer their services for free. The state bar says a lawyer shall not solicit professional employment ..............
Les Zaitz Verified account ?@LesZaitz
LaVoy Finicum wanted to get to one person before he was shot - Sheriff Glenn Palmer. Why?
Bob Smith ?@bob_smith_42
#oregonstandoff END MAD COWBOY DISEASE
PufPuf23
(8,776 posts)Good to see that there are so many sane Americans regards to the Malheur trespass.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)SeattleVet thread, 212 replies, 3673 views (we posted at the same time):
Oregon standoff - live feed FBI negotiations with the remaining 4 idiots...
***** LIVE feed: #OregonStandoff Ends - Cliven Bundy Jailed - #BundyTeaParty *****
***** LIVE: #OregonStandoff Ended - Cliven Bundy Jailed - #BundyTeaParty - Thread 2 *****