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FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 02:26 PM Jan 2016

Trump: Unlike Cruz, ‘I Have a Heart,’ I’ll Enact Universal Health Coverage

In an interview this morning on This Week, Donald Trump cited his desire to “help people” as the reason he favors government-funded universal health coverage.

Unlike Ted Cruz, Trump said, “I have a heart.” “If somebody has no money and they’re lying in the middle of the street and they’re dying, I’m going to take care of that person,” Trump said.

Host George Stephanopoulos asked Trump “how do you do it?” And Trump explained his plan thusly: We’re going to work with our hospitals. We’re going to work with our doctors. We’ve got to do something. You can’t have a — a small percentage of our economy, because they’re down and out, have absolutely no protection so they end up dying from, you know, what you could have a simple procedure or even a pill. You can’t do that. We’ll work something out. That doesn’t mean single payer. And I mean, maybe he’s got no heart. And if this means I lose an election, that’s fine, because, frankly, we have to take care of the people in our country. We can’t let them die on the sidewalks of New York or the sidewalks of Iowa or anywhere else.

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This will cost Trump a lot of conservative votes but I still enjoy the shots at Cruz.

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Trump: Unlike Cruz, ‘I Have a Heart,’ I’ll Enact Universal Health Coverage (Original Post) FLPanhandle Jan 2016 OP
Well, he just got a thumbs up from me for this one. Shocking, really. libdem4life Jan 2016 #1
Yeah, but he has no plan. Texasgal Jan 2016 #10
Of course not, Just the words coming out of his mouth are shocking. Don't believe we have much libdem4life Jan 2016 #17
He's going to make Mexico pay for it. Fozzledick Jan 2016 #24
He's going after the demographic that... phantom power Jan 2016 #34
I'm thinking he wants to spare the business community the cost of having to offer health care CTyankee Jan 2016 #40
Look closer. He suggests "a simple procedure or a pill" for the uninsured. yardwork Jan 2016 #11
That's true, as well. He is the conversation that the Republicans don't want to touch with a libdem4life Jan 2016 #18
That's not what it says. PeteSelman Jan 2016 #49
That's exactly what I said. "A simple procedure or a pill" is what he's offering. Not comprehensive yardwork Jan 2016 #50
Calculated Risk FreakinDJ Jan 2016 #26
I don't think it's possible to lose on this one...but to just table it? Not a good strategy. libdem4life Jan 2016 #27
Clearly Hillary is in the pocket of the Pay to Play Healthcare Industry FreakinDJ Jan 2016 #29
She's so far in she'd need a skyhook hifiguy Jan 2016 #35
I think the theory that tRump is trying to find a way out truebluegreen Jan 2016 #2
It does seem like he is trying to find a face saving way out of this FLPanhandle Jan 2016 #4
it does appear he's not sure about continuing wordpix Jan 2016 #31
I love it! Trump is getting a stage for some positive ideas! WinkyDink Jan 2016 #3
I'm not sure this will cost him any of his following. TIME TO PANIC Jan 2016 #5
I think you are right. If a right wing racist proposed universal health care, $15/hour, etc., right Hoyt Jan 2016 #12
Trump parrots any good idea he hears, if he thinks it will help him win. TIME TO PANIC Jan 2016 #16
Now I'm convinced he wants to throw the nomination. LiberalAndProud Jan 2016 #6
I think you are right. hifiguy Jan 2016 #22
on the fence. He's gotta want to see how this show plays out wordpix Jan 2016 #32
There is zero doubt that his is gonna milk this cow hifiguy Jan 2016 #36
at this point, he's riding high and getting cut/bruised on all sides wordpix Jan 2016 #39
Since when do republicans have hearts? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha... Initech Jan 2016 #7
omfg... trump is seriously becoming a master troll GummyBearz Jan 2016 #8
he has hit on 2-3 Dem themes previous to universal healthcare wordpix Jan 2016 #41
Trump is running to the left of Hillary now? nt thereismore Jan 2016 #9
No. He's suggesting minimal emergency care. We already have that. yardwork Jan 2016 #13
... GummyBearz Jan 2016 #14
I see what you did there. hifiguy Jan 2016 #23
on this issue, yes...very good conclusion wordpix Jan 2016 #42
That'll make Clinton vs. Trump a tough decision Dems to Win Jan 2016 #15
Trump is a master of saying whatever he thinks his COLGATE4 Jan 2016 #19
So is Clinton - she panders constantly. 840high Jan 2016 #55
Trump just out-Jesus'd the Christians. NightWatcher Jan 2016 #20
Reimburse emergency room to take care of you before you die??? Is that not what we already patricia92243 Jan 2016 #21
Freeper heads are exploding. Some are defending him claiming he'll make single payer "efficient" LittleBlue Jan 2016 #25
thanks for the laugh, lolol wordpix Jan 2016 #37
Listen again, he actually said now he's NOT for universal healthcare. Just for the poor. ViseGrip Jan 2016 #28
Donald it's know as M.E.D.I.C.A.I.D. nt flamingdem Jan 2016 #30
just in your written description, it's a flipflop lightweight non-policy wordpix Jan 2016 #33
his endorsements are scary! Palin endorsed him, lolol wordpix Jan 2016 #44
He's saying that uninsured people deserve "a simple procedure or a pill." We already have that. yardwork Jan 2016 #45
Trump is a nationalist. AngryAmish Jan 2016 #38
We could have a pill Egnever Jan 2016 #43
Thank you for getting it. yardwork Jan 2016 #46
I wouldn't say they are "falling for it" like everything else the pro Bernie folks are twisting it stevenleser Jan 2016 #48
I see a lot of Trump supporters here. Lots of low info right wingers yardwork Jan 2016 #54
Trump will not let anyone on the streets of NYC tavernier Jan 2016 #47
Trump: Unlike Cruz, ‘I Have a Heart,’ I’ll Enact Universal Health Coverage Jarqui Jan 2016 #51
It sounds a lot like Obamacare to me. randys1 Jan 2016 #52
It's far less than that. He's describing Free Clinic care. yardwork Jan 2016 #53
 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
17. Of course not, Just the words coming out of his mouth are shocking. Don't believe we have much
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 03:22 PM
Jan 2016

from HRC either. Bernie has, IMO, put more out than she has. And that's another reason why it's suicide to "put a plan out there". It can be nit picked to death before one is in the position to begin to work it.

IMO, until the President is in office, and all the shifting and changing that causes, no one really knows what is possible. I wish they'd all just say that. This is what I'd like to see. Then we can work out the details. Because, as Obama found out much to his chagrin, was that it's a whole different story sitting behind that big desk in the White House.

phantom power

(25,966 posts)
34. He's going after the demographic that...
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 04:52 PM
Jan 2016

knows in their hearts the "nanny state" is good for them, but are unable to accept it from black presidents and/or liberals in general.

If the idea comes from a tough-talking asshole alpha-male, of the light-beige persuasion, then suddenly it doesn't sound so bad.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
40. I'm thinking he wants to spare the business community the cost of having to offer health care
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 05:01 PM
Jan 2016

to their employees. That's how they do it in Europe and the business community loves it. They can make more money that way. It would be a titanic fight between him and the medical insurance/Pharm industries. But at least it would test how great a deal maker he is. Maybe he would "make them an offer they can't refuse."

yardwork

(61,622 posts)
11. Look closer. He suggests "a simple procedure or a pill" for the uninsured.
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 02:54 PM
Jan 2016

We already have that system. Hospitals aren't allowed to turn people away for emergency care.

Trump is not offering anything we don't already have.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
18. That's true, as well. He is the conversation that the Republicans don't want to touch with a
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 03:23 PM
Jan 2016

10-foot pole because they just want the tacky little issue to magically disappear.

PeteSelman

(1,508 posts)
49. That's not what it says.
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 08:05 PM
Jan 2016

He says we can't have people dying from things that a simple procedure or pill would cure because they don't have insurance. It's pretty clear.

yardwork

(61,622 posts)
50. That's exactly what I said. "A simple procedure or a pill" is what he's offering. Not comprehensive
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 08:08 PM
Jan 2016

health care. Essentially, Trump is suggesting Free Clinic care for the uninsured. We already have that. It's lousy health care. It's what's the matter with our health care system. No continuity of care, no integration into comprehensive care, no follow-up care. He's describing emergency care. We already have that and it sucks.

 

FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
26. Calculated Risk
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 03:46 PM
Jan 2016

I'm sure his folks and have run the numbers and they feel Universal Heathcare is the Winning issue

Once again Hillary is on the wrong side of the issue

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
27. I don't think it's possible to lose on this one...but to just table it? Not a good strategy.
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 03:50 PM
Jan 2016

Someone has to start it with conviction and intent and determination. That's not HRC.

 

FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
29. Clearly Hillary is in the pocket of the Pay to Play Healthcare Industry
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 04:29 PM
Jan 2016

Hillary Clinton Gets $13 Million From Health Industry, Now Says Single-Payer Will "Never, Ever Come

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511101049
 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
35. She's so far in she'd need a skyhook
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 04:53 PM
Jan 2016

to lift her high enough to see out of that pocket.

Bought and paid for.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
4. It does seem like he is trying to find a face saving way out of this
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 02:33 PM
Jan 2016

From skipping the debates to Universal Health Care, it does look like he is trying to sabotage his own nomination.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
31. it does appear he's not sure about continuing
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 04:45 PM
Jan 2016

He has not been painted in the best light by Dems and some R's, like his rat-mates running for pres.

But I also think he's got to be amazed he's gotten this far and wants to see if he can make it.

TIME TO PANIC

(1,894 posts)
5. I'm not sure this will cost him any of his following.
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 02:39 PM
Jan 2016

Trump's supporters don't really care about policy, they just like him because of his racist, misogynistic and xenophobic rhetoric.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
12. I think you are right. If a right wing racist proposed universal health care, $15/hour, etc., right
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 02:54 PM
Jan 2016

wingers would probably support it. Not suggesting we vote for a GOPer though.

TIME TO PANIC

(1,894 posts)
16. Trump parrots any good idea he hears, if he thinks it will help him win.
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 03:16 PM
Jan 2016

Now, if Bloomberg jumps in, all the fiscal conservatives will bail on Trump splitting the republican vote. Good new for the eventual Democratic nominee.

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
6. Now I'm convinced he wants to throw the nomination.
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 02:42 PM
Jan 2016

I really don't believe he wants to really be president. The front-runner thing totally caught him off guard, I believe.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
22. I think you are right.
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 03:41 PM
Jan 2016

No one was more surprised than he was. It was a publicity stunt that took on a life of its own.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
36. There is zero doubt that his is gonna milk this cow
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 04:54 PM
Jan 2016

as long as he can and for everything it's worth.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
39. at this point, he's riding high and getting cut/bruised on all sides
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 04:58 PM
Jan 2016

Remains to be seen how he'll do with the slings and arrows of unfortunate past events, deals and saying he's for universal health care.

 

GummyBearz

(2,931 posts)
8. omfg... trump is seriously becoming a master troll
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 02:47 PM
Jan 2016

Put tin foil hats on, but Trump was at one time a democrat. He went out to the republican side and went bat shit crazy right wing and gave them all they wanted to hear. He says he can shoot someone and not lose a vote. Now hes saying he is in favor of universal health care. Wow, is he a stealth democrat troll infiltrating the GOP? This theory makes me giggle like a 12 year old girl....

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
41. he has hit on 2-3 Dem themes previous to universal healthcare
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 05:01 PM
Jan 2016

I can't think of them now, but earlier in his candidacy.

 

Dems to Win

(2,161 posts)
15. That'll make Clinton vs. Trump a tough decision
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 03:09 PM
Jan 2016

With Clinton pretending that 90% of people are covered by Obamacare and we just need to get costs down (but millions of low wage effectively have no insurance and are uncovered since their employer-provided 'insurance' has a deductible of 4 or 5K) and TRUMP being the one to acknowledge there's still a need for Universal Health Care, who will voters who've been left out of ObamaCare support?

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
19. Trump is a master of saying whatever he thinks his
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 03:25 PM
Jan 2016

audience wants to hear, nothing more. He is no more sincere about this than he is about anything else. Just words, designed to enthrall the mouth-breathers who adore him. He 1) doesn't have a clue how to fix health reform and 2) doesn't give a shit about it to start with.

patricia92243

(12,595 posts)
21. Reimburse emergency room to take care of you before you die??? Is that not what we already
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 03:35 PM
Jan 2016

had. We are now able to have whatever medical problems taken care of so we have quality of life or do not die prematurely.

His plan is just to turn the clock back to where it was. It is unbelievable that people can't figure that out.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
25. Freeper heads are exploding. Some are defending him claiming he'll make single payer "efficient"
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 03:44 PM
Jan 2016

You heard that right. Freepers defending single payer.

And I'm loving it

The shit storms are coming

 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
28. Listen again, he actually said now he's NOT for universal healthcare. Just for the poor.
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 03:55 PM
Jan 2016

He said he was for it in the first debate,,,,,dumbfounded everyone there. I liked hearing it. Then he began to wobble. Watch the interview here....

Here is the link,



listen at the 3:20 to 6:.00 mark the question is does he want everyone to have it? Just the people who don't have it....BUT NO TO SINGLE PAYER.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
33. just in your written description, it's a flipflop lightweight non-policy
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 04:50 PM
Jan 2016

If not single-payer, if not everyone who's qualified to have it, what's your plan, Donald?

Answer: he doesn't have one. He's going to get the best minds together, like his buddy Carl Icahn, who btw, I decided to learn something about today. Here is from wikipedia, and I only got up to the mid- 1980's:

snip: Business career and interests[edit]

Icahn began his career on Wall Street as a stockbroker in 1961 and in 1968, he formed Icahn & Co., a securities firm that focused on risk arbitrage and options trading.[10][11] In 1978, he began taking controlling positions in individual companies.[2] He has taken substantial or controlling positions in various corporations including RJR Nabisco, TWA, Texaco, Phillips Petroleum, Western Union, Gulf & Western, Viacom, Uniroyal, Dan River, Marshall Field's, E-II (Culligan and Samsonite), American Can, USX, Marvel Comics, Revlon, Imclone, Federal-Mogul, Fairmont Hotels, Blockbuster, Kerr-McGee, Time Warner, Netflix, Motorola, and Herbalife.

Icahn developed a reputation as a ruthless "corporate raider" after his hostile takeover of TWA in 1985.[12] The result of that takeover was Icahn systematically selling TWA's assets to repay the debt he used to purchase the company, which was described as asset stripping. In 1988, Icahn took TWA private, gaining a personal profit of $469 million, and leaving TWA with a debt of $540 million. In 1991, Icahn sold TWA's prized London routes to American Airlines for $445 million.[13]

Icahn also attempted the grand prize of U.S. Steel, launching a hostile takeover for 89% of the industrial giant for $7 billion ($15.1 billion in 2015) in late 1986. snip

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
44. his endorsements are scary! Palin endorsed him, lolol
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 06:01 PM
Jan 2016

So much for heavyweights in the political world supporting The Donald.

yardwork

(61,622 posts)
45. He's saying that uninsured people deserve "a simple procedure or a pill." We already have that.
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 06:46 PM
Jan 2016

We have emergency care now for the uninsured. Maybe Trump doesn't know that. The hospitals eat billions in unreimbursed care now.

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
38. Trump is a nationalist.
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 04:56 PM
Jan 2016

That means he thinks we need to protect the least able in our nation.

It makes his message dangerous.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
48. I wouldn't say they are "falling for it" like everything else the pro Bernie folks are twisting it
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 07:50 PM
Jan 2016

into a reason to not like Hillary.

That is their entire world right now.

tavernier

(12,389 posts)
47. Trump will not let anyone on the streets of NYC
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 07:36 PM
Jan 2016

die, because it is Ground Hog Day, and he will feed hot soup to the homeless old grandpa in the street and visit him in the hospital, because NYC is his town, and he has never allowed a poor or homeless person to die there before! And every time The Donald gives a pair of his Italian loafers to a street person, an Angel earns his wings!

If anyone is interested in buying the Brooklyn Bridge for $99, line forms to the right.

Jarqui

(10,125 posts)
51. Trump: Unlike Cruz, ‘I Have a Heart,’ I’ll Enact Universal Health Coverage
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 08:11 PM
Jan 2016

What's Hillary's position? "Never. Ever. No, we can't"?

yardwork

(61,622 posts)
53. It's far less than that. He's describing Free Clinic care.
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 08:43 PM
Jan 2016

We already had that before Obamacare. Maybe Trump doesn't know that.

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