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lovuian

(19,362 posts)
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 10:11 PM Jan 2016

$6.6 trillion lost on Bush tax cuts could pay all student loans, car loans, credit cards

http://www.rawstory.com/2014/07/report-6-6-trillion-lost-on-bush-tax-cuts-could-pay-all-student-loans-car-loans-credit-cards/


new report argues that the Bush tax cuts actually cost Americans $6.6 trillion in personal income — more than enough to pay for every student loan, car loan and credit card debt in the U.S.

In an Al Jazeera America column on Wednesday, investigative reporter David Cay Johnston calculated the average income of Americans between 2001 and 2012 — the years President George W. Bush’s tax cuts were in effect. After adjusting for inflation he compared that income with the average income in 2000, and determined that $6.6 trillion was missing.
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$6.6 trillion lost on Bush tax cuts could pay all student loans, car loans, credit cards (Original Post) lovuian Jan 2016 OP
People are hypnotized by the term "tax cuts" world wide wally Jan 2016 #1
GOPers only know how to spend money, saving it is not only foreign to them but offensive. Rex Jan 2016 #3
They've been assiduously dumbing them down hifiguy Jan 2016 #6
The other problem is that at least since SheilaT Jan 2016 #7
Just where do they think the money comes from to pay for those SammyWinstonJack Jan 2016 #12
Only the very wealthy ones and the stupid ones. nt valerief Feb 2016 #27
Of course they do, we live in a plutocracy that steals from the future generations. Rex Jan 2016 #2
Which means that by reversing those cuts gratuitous Jan 2016 #4
Pays for Bernie's proposals then, right? SammyWinstonJack Jan 2016 #14
meh...well, don't tax me bro. SammyWinstonJack Jan 2016 #15
Johnston knows how to crunch those sorts of numbers hifiguy Jan 2016 #5
All Obama had to do was NOTHING, and . . FairWinds Jan 2016 #8
He did let them expire world wide wally Jan 2016 #9
No they were extended RandiFan1290 Jan 2016 #13
+1000 smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #10
Pretty sure he was hand picked to do just that, sell us out. SammyWinstonJack Jan 2016 #16
Her job is to drive the last nails into the coffin of the hifiguy Jan 2016 #24
Yes but then the 1% could not make purchases like this one malaise Jan 2016 #11
My column on the $6.6 trillion of income not realized davidcay Jan 2016 #17
Thank you very much lovuian Jan 2016 #18
OK, I read your column and was very unpersuaded . . FairWinds Jan 2016 #20
I'll give this a shot lovuian Jan 2016 #21
Thanks very much for the polite response . . FairWinds Jan 2016 #22
there isn't any hfojvt Feb 2016 #28
I've always wondered why the Wall Street bailout didn't travel through the consumer market Vinca Jan 2016 #19
Tax cuts, "tax and spend, "fiscal responsibility." All code. DirkGently Jan 2016 #23
The Bush Debt created the Austere economy lovuian Feb 2016 #25
Chart. moondust Feb 2016 #26

world wide wally

(21,744 posts)
1. People are hypnotized by the term "tax cuts"
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 10:39 PM
Jan 2016

What they can't figure out is that every tax cut for the wealthy comes straight out of their pockets. The first thing they should think when they hear the words tax cuts is, "how much will this cost me"? Instead, they think that they are somehow saving money.
Republicans have the people well trained.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
3. GOPers only know how to spend money, saving it is not only foreign to them but offensive.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 10:46 PM
Jan 2016

And then when they have to depend on that very same government for a welfare check, they complain about it the most and want it dismantled.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
7. The other problem is that at least since
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 01:11 AM
Jan 2016

Ronald Reagan, people have been taught to believe that all taxes are evil, that there is absolutely nothing worth paying taxes for. Except for the military, but I suspect most people don't understand how much of their taxes go there. Or for corporate welfare. They think all their taxes go to support lazy welfare (read Black) mothers, people who are scamming the disability system, and allowing those on food stamps to live on champagne, lobster, and steak.

Sigh.

SammyWinstonJack

(44,130 posts)
12. Just where do they think the money comes from to pay for those
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 08:03 AM
Jan 2016

tax cits that only benefit those who don't need thrm.

Someone going pay.......it's mind boggling.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
2. Of course they do, we live in a plutocracy that steals from the future generations.
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 10:44 PM
Jan 2016

When the PTB say, 'future generations' will have to pay for their crimes and neglect it was not a joke or but it was thrown out there rather casually.

We don't care, humans are just capital. Our system of government is totally sold out along with the media that supposedly keeps it in check.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
4. Which means that by reversing those cuts
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 10:48 PM
Jan 2016

We could actually afford to educate, house, feed, and clothe our citizens. Yes, low-income folks might be out an additional $100 a year in taxes. In exchange for that, they'd get better schools, roads that didn't rip out the undercarriage of their cars, and better health care.

But a handful of people have convinced many citizens that that all that isn't worth $100 in taxes, or that their vote won't make a difference.

SammyWinstonJack

(44,130 posts)
14. Pays for Bernie's proposals then, right?
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 08:09 AM
Jan 2016


Everyone wants something, but no one wants to
pay for it.

Don't tax me bro.
 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
5. Johnston knows how to crunch those sorts of numbers
Sat Jan 30, 2016, 10:49 PM
Jan 2016

like very few do. KO used to have him on regularly and he's as smart as a treeful of owls.

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
8. All Obama had to do was NOTHING, and . .
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 01:14 AM
Jan 2016

let those tax cuts for the uber wealthy expire.

The idea of the 1% was to have no resources left over, after paying for the
Forever War, for health care, education, etc.

He sold us out.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
24. Her job is to drive the last nails into the coffin of the
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 08:06 PM
Jan 2016

middle class and the Democratic party and complete the plutocratic takeover.

davidcay

(22 posts)
17. My column on the $6.6 trillion of income not realized
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 10:08 AM
Jan 2016

How fascinating that the people posting here give no hint that they actually read my column, which why incomes during the 12 years the Bush tax cuts were in effect were $6.6 trillion ($48,010 per tax household) lower than if we had maintained the income levels of 2000.

The whole premise of the GWBush tax cuts was that we would as a society all be better off and in October 2000 I carefully tied down the Bush campaign on its promise. Then when the data came out I went back and examined what happened. Why this is not every day journalism remains a mystery to me after almost a half century of reporting.

I encourage people who follow this website to read my column so they understand the facts and can marshal them in arguments about our federal tax policies, which subtly take from the many to redistribute upward:.

http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/7/economy-bush-taxcutsgrowthjobs.html

If you click on my byline you can also read about who is seeing their wages rise (surprise, very top earners are in decline), how electricity prices are rigged to make them higher and other economic issues that get virtually no attention from any other journalist.


 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
20. OK, I read your column and was very unpersuaded . .
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 03:19 PM
Jan 2016

What is the evidence that the lost income was due to the tax cuts?

To me, it is much more likely that most of the loss was due to the Bush financial melt-down.

Veterans For Peace

lovuian

(19,362 posts)
21. I'll give this a shot
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 04:24 PM
Jan 2016

1. Iraq War put us in debt
2. Bush Financial Meltdown ...piled on the debt to Americans
3. The lost revenue from Bush tax cuts placed more debt
4.The Congress has not spent money to give services or help infrastructure in America because we were in debt

Which means a recession occurred and stock Market crash ...which took away wages, 401k's, retirements and veterans saw their benefits cut as well as other public employees do to the effect the government is in debt


When a government is in debt...the cuts made were at employees and services to constituents...but the rich paid less taxes and less taxes thus sucking out the American standard of Life

Just a shot

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
22. Thanks very much for the polite response . .
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 07:58 PM
Jan 2016

I think you are substantially correct, but I would give more weight
to the melt-down, and in addition the deliberate campaign by the
1% and the GOP to attack the middle class - just one example is the
decline in subsidies for higher education. That takes money from the
middle class and siphons it upward to the 1%; same for bankruptcy
"reform"; trashing unions, and much more.
It was and is quite deliberate.

And I read my Stiglitz, Dean Baker, Piketty, Reich, Krugman, etc.

Keep up the fine work !!

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
28. there isn't any
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 01:44 AM
Feb 2016

And George W. Bush kept moving the goalposts anyway. By early 2001 he was selling them as an economic stimulus, not to create more prosperity, but to revive the economy.

The whole calculation from the article is based on the idea that the prosperity of 2000 would continue indefinitely - something that has never happened in our history. In fact, thanks to rising gas prices and the FED continuing to tighten interest rates, the economy was already slowing down in 2000. In fact, in the last seven months of 2000, the economy only created 540,000 jobs - an average of only 77,000 per month.

The Bush tax cuts were not even pass until June 7, 2001 and except for the quick $300 checks, many of the high end tax cuts were going to phase in slowly over the next 3 or 4 years. By June 2001, the economy had lost 381,000 jobs, and it lost 197,000 in July and 148,000 in August.

Then something happened in September. I cannot remember what (something the media got all excited about) (yes, I know, it was more horrible than the Civil War, WWI, WWII and the flu pandemic combined). Anyway the economy lost 352,000 jobs in October, 298,000 in November and 239,000 in December.

Can any of that be blamed on the Bush tax cuts?

I don't see how that would be an honest attack to blame that on the Bush tax cuts.

Mind you, I detest the Bush tax cuts, but they cannot really be blamed for the economic troubles of 2001. In fact, I am fairly sure that they provided some stimulus to an ailing economy.

p.s. Keep in mind that my MA in economics IS from the University of Nebraska, and that that was long ago and far away...

Vinca

(50,273 posts)
19. I've always wondered why the Wall Street bailout didn't travel through the consumer market
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 01:03 PM
Jan 2016

back to the bankers. Mortgages, car loans, etc., could have gotten a big subsidy making life easier for average people at the same time getting mountains of cash to the banks. Somehow average people end up at the bottom of the barrel and stay there.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
23. Tax cuts, "tax and spend, "fiscal responsibility." All code.
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 08:02 PM
Jan 2016

Code for prioritizing monied interests over the collective good. All it ever was or ever will be.

lovuian

(19,362 posts)
25. The Bush Debt created the Austere economy
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 12:15 AM
Feb 2016

Instead of creating revenue ....they decided to cut benefits


to Veterans
Federal Employees
Social Security
Medicare
Medicaid

Debt is the excuse to cut ......but yet what it does is


Economics 101....when the 1% owns the assets of a country
a Depression happens and what follows is a worker uprising...a social revolution

The Robber Barons are back but history repeats itself.....the next thing that follows is World Wars
because Billionaires will fight Billionaires....Kings fight Kings

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