Glenn Frey’s death is sad, but the Eagles were a horrific band

[HuckleB]

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music/glenn-frey-death-sad-eagles-lousy-band-article-1.2501461

"No disrespect to Glenn Frey — whose death this week is a cause for genuine mourning — but the Eagles were, quite simply, the worst rock and roll band.

And hating the Eagles defines whether a music fan is a fan of music or just a bandwagon-jumper.

...

Remember during the peak of this band’s fame — 1972-76 — Lou Reed put out “Walk on the Wild Side” and the LP “Berlin. David Bowie did “The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars.” The Stones did “Exile on Main St.” The Sex Pistols formed. Even Eagle-influenced Neil Young went on a bender with “On the Beach” and “Tonight’s the Night.”

...

How generic were the Eagles? When the much edgier and much more musically inventive Steely Dan needed a band to mock, it chose the Eagles.

..."


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Somebody had to post this. It might as well be me.

[Cal Carpenter]

1. ....

[KamaAina]

2. Blasphemy!

[HuckleB]

7. There is one act that is worse, so we should clarify that.

http://www.laweekly.com/music/top-20-worst-bands-of-all-time-the-complete-list-2403868

[KamaAina]

57. I would take that list with a grain of salt.

Okay, a whole shaker of salt.

11. Red Hot Chili Peppers
Funk metal is a bad idea. We love funk, we love metal, but we also love peanut butter and veggie burgers, just not together. And what about Anthony Kiedis's rapping? The "Give It Away" video could be called "Anthony and the Hand Jive," and it's even more ridiculous when he starts doing duck lips. The sex rhymes on Bloodsugarsexmagik would be forgettable if they weren't so awful — "She stuck my butt with her big black stick / I said 'What's up? Now suck my dick.'" On the plus side, however, we do thoroughly back the legit bromance between Messrs. Kiedis and Flea. -Nicholas Pell...

9. Rush
You realize that Jason Segel's character's obsession with Rush in I Love You Man is tongue in cheek, right? It's often said that people either love Rush or hate them, but a more accurate statement is that most people hate Rush, while a scattered few really love them. Sort of like anchovies; in fact, it's quite fair to call Rush the anchovies of rock music. Then there's the fact that "drummer Neil Peart generally consents only to speak to the drum press," a pantheon that includes in its entirety Modern Drummer and Not So Modern Drummer, if we're not mistaken. -Kai Flanders...

7. Pearl Jam
Boring, tepid, rehashed classic rock with a thin veneer of alt. As noted in our piece on how Pearl Jam are the most boring band in 20 years, grunting, dumb hats and Z-grade attempts at Who's Next do not a great rock and roll band make. The act took moronic-faux-concern-trolling to heights even U2 couldn't achieve. Also, Eddie Vedder thinks this is a lyric: "Hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo oooooooowhoaaaaaaaaooooooooo ohhhhhhh ohhhhhhh ohhhhhhh oooooooowhoaaaaaaaaooooooooo hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiyiiiiyiiiiyiiiiyiiiiiiiiii yeah uhhh huh uhhh huh uhhh huh yeahah uhhh huh uhhh huh uhhh huh uhhhhh huh." -Nicholas Pell...

4. Sex Pistols
Touted as the originators of punk, the Sex Pistols were really just a third-rate Faces rip off with a low-rent Richard Hell on vocals. Paul Cook and Steve Jones are great, but were held back by the larger-than-life personalities of Sid Vicious and John Lydon (or Rotten or whatever). Sloppy, derivative and obsessed with shock value for its own sake, the Pistols set the template for British punk rock bands trying too hard. Plus, how much of a dick is Lydon, allegedly punching women in the face, running around with racist goons and slamming Duffy against a wall? Bollocks. -Nicholas Pell

[HuckleB]

61. I admit that I liked some of those bands, at first, but all of them faded with time.

None of them produced truly lasting music. Oh, sure, there are fans, but I don't think they'll be looked upon as anything but the usual of the era, as time goes on.

[KamaAina]

64. No. 9 is in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Deal with it.

[HuckleB]

66. And...?

So are the Eagles.

[KamaAina]

81. Thereby proving my point that that list is mostly bogus.

[HuckleB]

84. OK, then.

[jmowreader]

245. Dude, ABBA is in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame!

[GReedDiamond]

254. So is number 11...

...The Red Hot Chili Peppers, fwiw. Inducted in 2012.

[OilemFirchen]

262. And Warren Zevon is not.

[demwing]

451. Chili peppers are going stronger than ever

Opinions...meh

[Ed Suspicious]

301. This list is insanity.

But I'm a huge Rush fan.

[rockfordfile]

432. That's probably the point

This is like some Fox News type crap.

[edhopper]

68. So the Sex Pistols

the very band the author sites, is also one of the worst bands.

Next we need someone to come here and tell us why the Beatles are shit.

[HuckleB]

73. Yup.

The Pistols weren't a good band. At least they did push a change in music, which is more than the Eagles can say.

BTW, the Eagles still suck.

[Logical]

223. LOL, jealous I assume. Or one of the "smarter than you" DUers. OLIVE GARDEN!!! LOL. nt

[whathehell]

305. The Pistols sucked..

and who cares if they "pushed a change in music" if the change sucked?

[edhopper]

310. They didn't push shit

they jumped on a bandwagon that was already there.

[whathehell]

390. Tell it to HukleB...He's the one pushing that meme.

[HuckleB]

326. The change didn't suck at all.

It was quite necessary, considering the pap pushed by the likes of the Eagles and others at the time.

[KamaAina]

318. Believe it or not, I have actually seen Beatles-haters scurrying around the Lounge.

[edhopper]

320. I believe it

because alt-indie bands nobody listens to are so much better.

[whathehell]

386. Blasphemy!

[Quixote1818]

406. I use to room with a musician who was a Beatles hater

He made the same arguments being made here about them not being "edgy" enough. God forbid someone writes music where the person singing actually has to have a good voice because the song has an actual melody.

[Zorra]

421. Maybe people who have gone tone deaf from eating too many GMO's

hate beautiful vocal harmonies, and resent the music of talented. creative musicians who somehow touch the souls of millions with their art.

[Act_of_Reparation]

363. Oh, I can do that.

For every good Beatles song there's at least three mediocre songs, two failed sonic experiments, and one written by Ringo Starr (no further explanation needed).

I know I'm not going to win any friends with this one, but I can't stand John Lennon. McCartney was the brains of that operation, by far.

[ballabosh]

415. Ringo only wrote two Beatles songs

So your contention is there are only two good Beatles songs?

[Act_of_Reparation]

417. My contention is that "hyperbole" can be found in any English dictionary.

Hint: It's under "H".

[OilemFirchen]

212. Wait...

They included Rush (deservedly) but omitted Kansas?

Dump the Sex Pistols and open a slot. Otherwise, fairly spot on.

[LostOne4Ever]

271. That list is complete fail. Number 1 worst band of all time is Nickleback! nt

[HuckleB]

274. Boring.

[KamaAina]

319. And No. 2 is Creed.

[rockfordfile]

431. Well interesting that most of those bands are great and liberal.

Pearl Jam, Eagles, and others are great bands. Their music is a great and continues to thrive.

[whathehell]

314. Nah, just bullshit..

of the type flung in adolescent threads of this sort.

[HuckleB]

343. The responses of the easily offended...

... do reek of adolescence, indeed.

[whathehell]

384. "Easily offended"?

Who cares if someone likes the same band you do or not?

Silly stuff....Belongs in the lounge.

[HuckleB]

408. LOL!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

3. I didn't want to mention it either, but now that you brought it up,

I couldn't stand The Eagles. I'm sorry Frey passed away but I never liked their music.

[HuckleB]

174. I'm impressed with how many of us there are, really.

[Hortensis]

309. I could "stand" them, at least before some of

their most banal pieces became calcified as oldies, but not a fan. Nostalgia's powerful, though. They, and Glenn Frey, were willy-nilly part of most of our lives.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

4. Is that you, Dude?

For the record, the Eagles were fine IMHO.

Not rock legends, but perfectly passable classic rock light fare.

And it's way too early for the author's grave shitting.

[HuckleB]

13. They're the Muzak version of The Flying Burrito Brothers and Gram Parsons.

And that's being being very kind. It's astounding when you listen them.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

25. I will say when Gene Simmons croaks, the author can go ahead and label KISS...

....the worst ever rock band (at least of its era) as soon as he draws his last.

Shameless marketing tool covering as rock music. KISS was to rock music what Donald Trump is to politics.

[HuckleB]

32. True.

I remember being amazed that the rock magazines in the 70s would actually publish Kiss vs. Led Zeppelin stories, and practically month after month at that.

[Ed Suspicious]

302. Unreal.

I sort of think the novelty was fun, but clearly a novelty. I don't think bands get any more influential than Zep.

[Waldorf]

54. I liked KISS. Saw them in concert twice.

[DirtyHippyBastard]

159. Me too,

But then I turned 13 and discovered real bands

[Waldorf]

178. Last time I saw them in concert was during one of thier so called last tours, pretty much everybody

in the audience was an older adult. I'd say everybody was seeing a real band.

[DirtyHippyBastard]

203. Sorry, poor word choice,

I should have typed "good", not "real".

[GReedDiamond]

256. You're correct, IMO -- I hate KISS...

...and Gene Simmons is a despicable person. Also in my opinion.

[Erose999]

353. KISS were the muzak equivalent of the New York Dolls and the MC5.

[MoonchildCA]

382. Yes, KISS far exceeds any of the band listed as the worst.

[Roy Ellefson]

106. Burritos

Gilded Palace of Sin might be my favorite album...and although it's not cool to say this I also enjoyed the Eagles.

[HuckleB]

127. Cheers!

[Act_of_Reparation]

63. Shit, you beat me to it.

And, incidentally, The Dude knows his shit. The Eagles sucked.

[Initech]

104. I didn't realize that Jeffrey Lebowski was the writer of the article!

[whathehell]

392. THANK you.

I liked the Eagles.

[sufrommich]

5. Probably too soon.

But yeah,they sucked.

[jeff47]

6. The Eagles were the music you put on in the background while you did something else.

All the rest of the examples from the quote are music you listen to. The Eagles were a rock version of Muzak.

[OilemFirchen]

264. People listened to The Dave Matthews Band?

Unpossible.

[edhopper]

8. Hotel California

is one of the best rock albums ever.

The Sex Pistols? musical version of vomit by drug addled posers.

Somebody has to say you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

The condescending first sentence tells me all i need to know about the author's way-too-hip bullshit.

[Facility Inspector]

11. Never mind the bollocks

[Miles Archer]

307. Hey, hey, they're the Punk-ees

The Pistols were manufactured by Malcom McLaren.

Everything anyone needs to know about the band was summed up by Johnny Rotten's final words to the audience as they left the stage at the end of their final show in San Francisco:

"Ever have the feeling you've been cheated?"

The later "reunion" shows with original member Glenn Matlock returning on bass to fill in for the dead Sid Vicious were nothing more than a cash grab, the Pistols as an "oldies act."

Here's that SF show (full concert):

[HuckleB]

16. The Sex Pistols sucked, but at least they did something.

The Eagles just toned down what Gram Parsons did to make it palatable to suburbia. Yuck.

[Bluenorthwest]

147. Yeah the Sex Pistols did The Stooges with more snot.

Then later they died and sold margarine and such.

[HuckleB]

149. To be fair...

... Lydon wasn't completely useless with PIL.

[sweetloukillbot]

236. For punk I'll take the Clash and the Buzzcocks over the Pistols any day

But the first two or three PIL albums are genius.

[HuckleB]

333. Indeed. -eom-

[Go Vols]

439. lol

[opiate69]

56. + a Brazilian

[B2G]

120. This. nt

[Codeine]

160. Mom rock.

Qualuude-addled easy listening for the Chamber of Commerce set.

[laundry_queen]

269. God, thankfully not my mom

Nice memories of growing up to Nazareth, Heart, Queen, CCR, and The Guess Who

Then the 80's hit and my parents lost their taste in music, LOL. The period from 80-85 was particularly bleak. But my parents always hated the Eagles. I never did hate them. But never liked them enough to buy anything.

[DefenseLawyer]

9. Jesus, man, can you change the channel?

Man, come on I had a rough night, and I hate the fucking Eagles, man.

[krawhitham]

450. Just this once

[PJMcK]

10. Perhaps there's less to the story...

http://rulefortytwo.com/secret-rock-knowledge/chapter-8/steely-dan-vs-eagles/

[Starry Messenger]

12. I have fond memories of my K-Tel years as a kid.

Honestly, I just feel like with all the deaths lately, the universe is trying to tell Gen X that they are getting fucking old and we should start putting our affairs in order. I'm finishing up craft projects that have sat around forever, while watching Bowie specials.

[HuckleB]

18. They weren't Gen-Xers. They're boomers.

[JI7]

77. i wonder if the lifestyle in earlier years contributed to it

Natalie cole blamed herself for her health problems

[LeftyMom]

194. I'm kind of baffled by boomers who seem surprised that people their age are dying.

Old people have been known to do that, and those postwar babies are 70ish now, which is a pretty decent run for people who did all the drugs.

Denying aging is a defining boomer trait, but still, at some point aren't they going to notice?

[PasadenaTrudy]

204. Not surprised

I'm a boomer, 52 today. I count every day as a blessing. My sis died at 62, my dad at 65. Mom made it to 88, so who knows

[Codeine]

239. I had the same reaction.

"OMG David Bowie died at only 69!" Well, yeah -- a lifetime of heavy drinking, loads of drugs and three packs a day will do that to you every time.

Rock stars do not age well.

[Starry Messenger]

257. I was hoping the Keith Richards Singularity Field was also covering Bowie.

But yeah, a lot of folks I liked have gone very quickly. At least he outlived all of The Ramones.

[whathehell]

306. You'll figure it out when you get to their age..

It's always the generation ahead of you that's "old".

[cwydro]

337. Lol. Exactly.

At least our generation grew up.

Not seeing that so much in the younger generations. Too busy being coddled so they don't hear anything that might offend their delicate sensibilities.

[whathehell]

387. You got it.

[exboyfil]

14. All music doesn't have to be serious

I was not an Eagles fan during their hit days, but I enjoy listening to them now when I am in a lighter mood. Part of getting older I guess. They are not the first band I queue up to listen, but I don't turn the station when they come on.

[skypilot]

53. There you go.

[Binkie The Clown]

293. +1000

I enjoy music, and I have no desire to ruin that enjoyment by passing judgement and being a snob about what's "good" music and what's "bad" music. I just enjoy music. I enjoy Baroque, Classical, Romantic, Opera, Big Band, Jazz, Dixieland, Barbershop Quartet, Rock of all kinds from Abba to Guns and Roses to Pink Floyd to Chicago to Metalica, and every flavor in every direction from there. A couple evenings ago I got excited when I found some new Rudy Vallee recordings I hadn't heard before. Hell, I even get a kick out of Tiny Tim singing Tiptoe Through the Tulips. And yes, I drink whichever brand of beer is on sale, and relish every sip. I would just a soon go to Taco Bell as to a fancy French restaurant, Although I assure you I will enjoy the everloving hell out of whichever place I go. I love life, and I love everything it has to offer, and I'm not about to diminish that enjoyment by being fussy and snooty about music, beer, or food, and eliminating a great number of sources of genuine enjoyment.

Whether is Hotel California or Teressa Brewer belting out Put Another Nickel In, or anything at all by Frank Sinatra, I'm going to listen to it, and I'm going to enjoy the hell out of it. and I feel sorry for people who can't find as much enjoyment as I do in all that music.

[exboyfil]

295. You are right on point

I also enjoy listening to different era's music. I have to admit I am not a fan of more recent music. It does seem I am always behind the popular curve (pick up bands on their downward arc). Maybe I will like the recent stuff in 10 years. Right now I don't go much past 1990 in my musical listening.

[temporary311]

15. I agree with The Dude when it comes to The Eagles.

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[ScreamingMeemie]

17. I'm getting acid flashback's to Laura Branigan's death on DU.

[saturnsring]

19. i never understood the hype either

[maveric]

20. Joe Fucken Walsh always seemed out of place with the Eagles.

Their music was much mellower than Joe's James Gang and Barnstormer.
BTW Joe is one of my idols.

[HuckleB]

24. He's great.

On stage, it always seemed like he was just a guest, even though he was in the band. It was weird.

[Warren DeMontague]

181. Yeah, I like Joe Walsh too.

[chowder66]

193. Ironic because of the OP but I met Joe Walsh at a Red Hot Chili Peppers Concert

he went to the ladies bathroom with me (nothing happened, just takin' care of business) and we chatted on and off all night. He was a fantastic person, super fun, funny and deep...then later drunk but then so was I.

good times had by all

[DirtyHippyBastard]

288. James Gang kicks ass

[Miles Archer]

308. Neil Young's "ditch" reference from the liner notes to the "Decade" album

One of the most famous and frequently repeated quotes from Neil. He said that "Heart of Gold" represented his journey to the middle of the road but soon after he headed for the ditch because things were more interesting there.

There was no one like Joe back in the day. If you want to take a REALLY broad stroke of the brush, he was cut from similar cloth as Neil in that he could rip your face off with an extended electric assault and the turn around and play something sweet and reflective. That went back to the James Gang days, that's who he was.

"Rocky Mountain Way," of course, but also "County Fair" from "So What." He lost his way for a little bit, injecting too much comedy for my tastes, starting to sound a little more like Jimmy Buffet and less like himself. So what happened when he released "The Confessor," his best album in years, one that was built on the same template as "The Smoker" and "So What?" Critics slammed him for trying to sound like himself. He expressed his frustration at the time, saying that if he didn't sound like his old albums, people slammed him, and if he sounded like his old records, people slammed him.

So Joe pulled a Neil, headed for the middle of the road, made a shitload of money, and the Eagles never really gave a shit about their critics because they knew they were multi-millionaires.

One writer said that the Eagles "de-fanged" Joe. Supposedly they had a rule stating that he could have a maximum of two drinks before a show. Did you ever hear Ringo's "Old Wave" album, produced by Joe? It was originally released on vinyl as an import only. Dear God, I think they had a minimum of ten drinks between tracks.

Henley and Frey were cold and calculating...they knew Joe's fans would follow him to the band and buy Eagles records, and we did. Even when he frigging played "Rocky Mountain Way" on stage with them, it never had the same blunt force trauma as when he did it on his own.

One of my favorite performances is Joe doing "RMW" at Clapton's Crossroads Festival. He jokes "If I knew I had to play this song the rest of my life I probably woulda written something else. But it's too late!"

[Ligyron]

358. Didn't he insist that Jimmy Page buy his Gibson

and Jimmy said, "and he was right"? I don"t remember if it was a les Paul or an ESS 335, with reverse tone knobs... in, out, different bridge arrangements.

oh and I almost forgot: The Eagles sucked.

[Miles Archer]

398. How Jimmy Page got his Les Paul:

While touring the States after Led Zeppelin’s release, Page purchased the sunburst ’59 Les Paul that would become hallowed as his “Number 1” from Joe Walsh in April 1969. Page was first seen with the guitar on stage at Fillmore West and at Winterland in San Francisco, and at San Antonio’s Rose Palace.

Walsh was playing Gibsons and singing in the James Gang at the time, and had the ’59 sunburst’s neck shaved to a thinner profile before selling the guitar to Page. There was already a Black 1960 Les Paul Custom in Page’s collection that he’d modified with a Bigsby tremolo arm. But the six-string from Walsh was different. It felt perfect in his hands and on his shoulders — where it would hang for hundreds of iconic live photos — and conjured the heavy sound he envisioned in a nearly effortless manner.

Page has described “Number 1” as his “wife” and “mistress,” and calls it irreplaceable. Unlike the Black Beauty, which was stolen in 1970, it remains in his possession and has been immortalized by several Gibson Custom Shop reissues. In the ’70s the bridge tone control was replaced with a push-pull pot that puts the pick-ups out of phase, and the bridge pick-up was replaced after it failed on tour. The instrument also sports gold plated Grover tuners. Otherwise it remains the same as when he acquired it, plus road wear.

“Number I” and an array of Marshall amps — the same ones Page used on stage —were the string-bender’s sonic foundation for Led Zeppelin II. The band wrote and developed the album’s songs while touring the U.S. and Europe from January through August of 1969. Unlike Led Zeppelin, each number was recorded separately at various studios in the U.S. and U.K. There was nothing leisurely about the process, however, since the sessions were crammed between concerts, thus replicating the live feel of the first album.

http://www.gibson.com/News-Lifestyle/Features/en-us/jimmy-page-1216.aspx

[INdemo]

21. The Eagles were more o a Country-Country Rock

Band . I really didn't like it when Glenn Frey was fueding with Don Felder who ended up settling a lawsuit but he was trying to cheat Don

[beevul]

22. Someone has obviously never heard Nickelback...

To say the least.

[emulatorloo]

40. Lol. +1

[backscatter712]

422. I was about to say.

I like the Eagles. Maybe I'm just a casual listener, but I didn't see anything wrong with their music.

They're not Nickelback...

What a world we live in, where Alan Rickman, Lemmy, and Glenn Frey are gone, but Sarah Palin, Donald Trump, and Pat Robertson still inflict their presence on us...

[cpwm17]

23. I'm glad you are here to tell us that.

Not all of us knew that we were supposed to dislike the Eagles.

I might have to listen to this many times before I get the hang of this hate thing.

[HuckleB]

28. Of course, no one told you to dislike anyone.

[edhopper]

35. sure about that bucko?

"And hating the Eagles defines whether a music fan is a fan of music or just a bandwagon-jumper."

[HuckleB]

39. That's just a fact. It's not telling anyone to do anything.

[edhopper]

45. Please post you favorite band

I am sure we can have fun bashing their shit music.

Especially right when one of the members dies.

Because that is what all the cool kids do.

[HuckleB]

49. Oh, goodness.

Someone really needs a hobby.

[edhopper]

52. like laughing at people

when the feel the loss of a favorite performer.

Good hobby that. Do you go to funerals and make fun as well?

Must be a riot.

[HuckleB]

55. If you can't handle people criticizing public figures.

You probably should spend less time online.

[edhopper]

59. Oh is that what this is?

seems to me it's more like taking a crack at people who liked the music of someone who just fucking died and telling them their taste is shit.

Criticism huh? stop blowing smoke.

[HuckleB]

62. Do you know how to trash a thread?

I do. It seems like you want to keep people from speaking their minds. That's not going to happen.

[edhopper]

65. If you don't want to see people criticise a thread

stay off of the internet.

See how that works bucko.

[HuckleB]

70. LOL!

Now you're cracking me up!



PS: DU knew this years ago! http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x105293

[edhopper]

91. still waiting on your favorite band?

[HuckleB]

95. Keep waiting.

[edhopper]

96. thought so

[HuckleB]

100. You can start bashing bands on a daily basis with your own threads.

You might hit one of my favorites. Who knows?

[edhopper]

101. normal troll response

"start your own thread"

[HuckleB]

103. You seem to want to bash some bands, so go for it.

[edhopper]

109. you seem to want to get joy

over the death of a man and the feeling of loss to his fans.

Nice. Keep yucking it up.

[HuckleB]

111. No one is getting joy over the death of a man.

The fact that the Eagles suck is separate from Frey's death.

[edhopper]

119. you are getting joy at laughing

at those who feel a loss at his passing, laughing boy.

[HuckleB]

124. I'm having fun because you've chosen to attack.

I'm not going to take your attacks seriously.

Thus:

[edhopper]

136. Great

I'll let you know when my dog dies, you can make fun of his breed.

[HuckleB]

143. Awesome!

[TexasMommaWithAHat]

197. +1

nt

[muriel_volestrangler]

195. No, you are

You started this thread; you're posting laughing smileys. You didn't post about them last week. You're doing this because he died. This is the reaction you desired. Admit your personality.

[HuckleB]

277. That's cute.

Too bad you failed to read the content of the OP. Thus, your response makes no sense.

[muriel_volestrangler]

299. No, it's your behaviour in the rest of the thread that's showing your character

You've started this thread to say "look at me - I like using the death of a man to draw attention to my daring to say he was crap! I have better taste than people who are saying nice things about him, and it's good to use this moment to annoy other people".

Ironically, for someone who prides themselves on being 'rational', you're repeatedly misusing the word 'fact' in the thread. Which may show that it's not 'facts' that actually matter to you, but arguing with people.

[HuckleB]

339. You seem to think that you know the motivations of others automatically.

Just because I'm laughing at the ridiculous response of others, doesn't mean their responses aren't ridiculous. Your decision to make personal attacks is what shows your character, and that's quite sad.

[SammyWinstonJack]

209. Silly Boomer here who likes the Eagles' music. And..

[edhopper]

210. guilty

[ieoeja]

108. So you're not arguing with him. You're just telling him why he's wrong.

[HuckleB]

112. Perhaps.

[pintobean]

315. That just tells you about the writer

Stamp that one "pompous ass".
Back in the day, the Eagles were referred to as bubblegum. If that's what they were, they still have a lot of flavor, all these decades later.

[LanternWaste]

137. I used to cower behind implication too.

I used to cower behind implication too. You're much better at it than I ever was, though...

[HuckleB]

144. Oh, goodness.

[edhopper]

30. sure,

because they are only the best selling band in American history.

And Desperado is just full of great songs.

[Bonx]

26. I will agree with this

"And hating the Eagles defines whether a music fan is a fan of music or just a bandwagon-jumper."

Hating on the Eagles is the epitome of bandwagon.

[HuckleB]

29. If that makes you feel better...

[Bonx]

34. I feel fine

It's not like it's a new phenomenon or any original thinking going on.
"They suckk !! " LOLZ!1!"

[HuckleB]

37. And yet...

... you had to respond. Twice.

[Bonx]

43. One more. Still fine.

Still entertained ?

[cwydro]

338. I feel sorry for you.

You seem unhappy.

[HuckleB]

340. I'm quite happy.

It's the easily offended here who appear to be unhappy and incapable of moving on from something they don't want to see.

[edhopper]

346. I am sure you are in ecstacy

you seem to take genuine joy in the sorrow of others.

This must be Christmas for you.

[HuckleB]

348. You seem to think you know what I think.

You don't. You really should worry about yourself more, and chill out when it comes to others.

[edhopper]

349. I am just going by your actions

which is ROFL at people feeling loss.

I don't know what you think, I don't know if you think about it at all.

Too much fun bashing a man who just died I guess.

[HuckleB]

351. No, you're not.

You're going by your presumptions, and I'm laughing at the fact that you chose to get offended instead of moving on, and you kept on being offended. That's not an adult response in any way, shape, or form. You have chosen to obsess on this thread, and that's your choice. It has nothing to do with me. Take responsibility for yourself.

[edhopper]

354. You seem to have a need to answer

every one here that criticizes this thread.

And then laugh at their sorrow. Does that ROLF icon not mean you are finding humor in people being upset with this.
Because that is the way it looks. Is that an adult response?

Maybe you should ignore them and move on?

[HuckleB]

364. It's my thread.

And thanks for the confession.

[edhopper]

373. confession?

[HuckleB]

375. Yes, confession.

You still can't support your fictions. Thus, you respond with a bizarre comment that has nothing to do with the previous posts.

Get over yourself. It's time.

[edhopper]

376. sorry if it was beyond you understanding

or maybe you just didn't want to understand it.

Still not sure what I confessed. That I think you thread is in bad taste, to say the least, and your response to those who told you it was objectionable was to laugh at their replies with laughter like a petulant child?

Guilty.

[HuckleB]

409. I understand that your upset.

And that you've chosen to remain upset, and that you won't step back from it.

That was made clear long ago.

[LanternWaste]

378. A wee bit ironic you fail to apply that sentiment to yourself

"Get over yourself. It's time."

A wee bit ironic you fail to apply that sentiment to yourself.

[edhopper]

381. you know what

that post gets a special prize

[HuckleB]

410. LOL!

Your posts are just too rich.

[TeamPooka]

27. Trashing this thread made my day. nt

[Mendocino]

50. Just cutting the stem doesn't work

you have to dig out the root.

[KG]

31. get outta my cab.

[Buzz cook]

33. Horrific goes a bit far

They were a pop band. What did you expect Zappa?

[HuckleB]

36. When you know they were copying Gram Parsons and the Flying Burrito Brothers...

... and you listen to those recordings right after one another, "horrific" might actually seem kind.

[Roy Ellefson]

113. well...

Bernie Leadon was in the Burritos so I'm not sure they were necessarily copying them...no more than Poco or Crosby STills Nash and Young were copying Buffalo Springfield.

[HuckleB]

114. Listen to the recordings. The difference is astounding.

It's like listening to Little Richard and following that up with Pat Boone.

[Buzz cook]

438. Stealing from others is what got Rock and Roll started

And of the biggest thieves, bands such as the Stones or Cream, that stole wholesale from American Blues artists.
Led Zeppelin is infamous for theft.

Stealing music from other artists is not enough to use horrific.

[HuckleB]

440. Yes, we are aware of that.

[Logical]

38. LOL.......

#75 on top 100 bands ever by Rolling Stone
150 Million records sold
1998 Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame
Why people need to insults band they don't like is beyond me.

[HuckleB]

42. So criticism is not allowed?

And your argumentum ad populum is funny.

[Logical]

67. It is like saying a popular movie is the worst movie ever. Stupid. nt

[HuckleB]

78. And...?

You're saying popularity means quality?

[Logical]

222. Based on that stupid logic the best band in the world might never have been heard! LOL. Brilliant! n

[Major Nikon]

359. Logical fallacies only relate to objective facts

A fact is either true or it's not regardless of how many people believe it or not. Trying to apply the same rule to a subjective opinion is funny.

[HuckleB]

362. Utilization of argumentum ad populum is utilization of argumentum ad populum.

And pretending that there is nothing but subjectivity on the topic is part of the problem.

[Major Nikon]

377. I don't think one has to pretend that anyone's taste in music is anything but subjective

YMMV.

[hfojvt]

51. to be fair

the Rock and Roll hall of fame is a sick joke not worthy of the title.

Seriously, I read that Ozzy was NOT in it and then went through and found a whole bunch more that were not and then looked at some of the no name nobodies that were.

Like I said, it's an absurd entity, some rich person's idea of a tourist trap.

[Logical]

72. LOL, do more reading, Ozzy asked them remove their name from the list in 1999. nt

Yes, and the damn music industry forced people to buy their albums and attend their concerts. And..

[hfojvt]

105. all I said was about the so called Hall of Fame

and it is NOT just about Ozzy. There are a whole bunch of fairly famous bands that are not in it, and a bunch of no names that are. It's a joke.

It's such a joke that more bands should do what you say Ozzy did. Refuse to accept induction into it. It does not deserve any type of legitimacy.

[HuckleB]

116. Who shouldn't be in the HOF?

And who should?

[hfojvt]

196. I actually found my post from 2014 on FB

So looking at this list - Def Leppard, Cheap Trick, ELO, Journey, Styx, Grand Funk, Deep Purple, Bon Jovi, and so on, all NOT in the hall of fame. I started to wonder who IS. Some of them I read and ask "who?" Procul Harum? Oh, and the Guess Who, not in either. But Grandmaster Flash IS in. Somehow I missed in when, as Wiki writes they "rose to fame in the early 1980s". The Hall of Fame appears to be a bit of a joke.


Also, if you are the Baseball Hall of fame wouldn't it to be kinda silly to induct a bunch of soccer players? And yet the supposed ROCK AND ROLL hall of fame has reggae musicians and rappers in it. Run DMC and Jimmy Cliff - yeah, that's rock and roll.

Since then I see they finally got around to inducting Kiss and Cheap Trick and Joan Jett.

But what the heck. It's far more important to induct the Dave Clark 5 and the Beastie Boys. 3 Dog Night? Nope. Paul Butterfield Blues Band - yep. Maybe he was huge in the Blues, but again, another basketball player inducted into the baseball hall of fame, while famous baseball players are left on the sidelines.

[HuckleB]

367. Oh, goodness. I had a feeling it would be something like this.

I don't think you recognize the differences in bands you like versus bands that actually influenced music. And if you don't understand the overlap factor, well, yikes.

[hfojvt]

399. well, if you look at other halls of fame

A person does not get in to the baseball hall of fame because the "influenced baseball". They get in there by compiling stats, by having a great career.

So you would kind of expect people who were in the top 100 for hits, say, to be good candidates whereas no name players that only an aficionado has heard of, probably will not be in there.

Those are not necessarily band that I, myself liked. I don't care all that much for Deep Purple or the Guess Who, but they ARE bands, unlike Procul Harum and Grandmaster Flash that many people have heard of, and unlike Run DMC they are rock and roll bands.

[HuckleB]

444. Actually, that's not true.

And it's meaningless to argue such a comparison.

Do you know why?

[Logical]

221. ozzy said the fans should decide, based on the eagles sales and concert tickets they had fans. nt

[Logical]

225. I am sure your whining will hurt the HOF. nt

[redstateblues]

205. Being successful is not cool on DU

[hfojvt]

41. actually I don't think it is THAT sad

I mean, he was 67.

Not 17
Not 27
Not even 47.

Those would be much sadder. Martin Luther King was 39 and died of a very unnatural cause. Much sadder than the death of a 67 year old.

I also liked the Eagles and never cared for Bowie or the Stones and never even heard the Sex Pistols. Lou Reed? Is he a one hit wonder? And it's not even a very good hit at that. It's not in my collection.

"Strange weather" by Glenn Frey, however, IS. Musically this may be kinda generic. I dunno, but lyrically?

[Texasgal]

248. is 67 old to you?

he also died of cancer.

My grandfather just recently died, he was 98 years old. He lived a very long life. I am okay with his passing! What a life he had! But damn... 67 is YOUNG.

[DBoon]

266. Isn't 67 now the "official" retirement age?

Aren't there folks who think we should work into our 70s?

If we still have to work, then we are too young to die.

[hfojvt]

325. 30 is old to me

I think it is a tragedy when anybody dies who is younger than 42. After that, well, their life was not exactly short.

Your grandfather lived a VERY long life. Frey lived a long life. He lived almost twice as long as Princess Diana (age 36). He lived 25 years longer than Elvis.

[Texasgal]

416. How did you come with up

42?

Just curious.

[bigwillq]

44. I enjoyed the Eagles

I liked their music.

RIP Glenn

[ScreamingMeemie]

148. It's another one of them music snobbery posts...

RIP Laura Branigan

[bigwillq]

157. I love Laura Branigan.

[xmas74]

229. Me too!

I wouldn't be able to enjoy my 50th viewing of Flashdance without having this song playing during the ice skating scene.

[asjr]

360. I loved the Eagles! I could listen to them all day

and all night. They could have made music from the Sears and Roebuck catalog. I love all kinds of music but they were my favorite. I am really missing them already.

[Juicy_Bellows]

46. No joy over a man dying but yes, happy to be the first and only REC so far. :)

[HuckleB]

102. It's up to four. I didn't think it would get that many.

[Atman]

47. That was a good article. I agree.

I have several cover versions of Eagles songs. Pretty much every one is better than the original Eagles' version. The Eagles were elevator music. Period. And that does a disservice to elevator music. If anything came out of Frey's death, it is trivial. Literally, trivial. As in 'trivia.' I just found out that The Eagles were essentially Linda Ronstadt's backup band. For that I will them some respect.

[vi5]

48. Seven Bridges Road is a solid jam....

But other than that I'm inclined to agree.

[Gregorian]

58. I thought it was corporate music. It was pushed on us like everything else in this country.

I remember. What about Iggy Pop, Captain Beefheart, Zappa, just to name some more famous ones. Even they weren't on radio. Not at all. Even on the small college stations, things were not geared toward ecclectic rock. But what I'm discovering now is that there were all kinds of GREAT bands that were never heard.

I swear I see this just like how I see the way we have had lousy programs pushed on us by our media and corporate politicians. I would listen to KOME in the early 70's, and think people were mad to listen to all of that corporate noise. Then I'd run over to KFJC and listen to stuff I've never heard before; nothing ever repeating. I find it so surprising that music was one of the things that became corporatized. Led Zep over and over.

Thanks to youtube, there's a treasure trove of stuff from the earlier years. Like these guys

This one is 70's. Probably never saw the light of day on American radio.

[Atman]

82. Not much different today.

I constantly hear friends say "Today's music sucks! Nothing good since high school!" Bullshit. If you listen to corporate radio you're going to get Taylor Swift and American Idol winners, and absolute dreck. But listen to college radio stations, even some of the stations on SiriusXM. There is a LOT of great new music out there. Why is anyone surprised that their shitty FM radio only picks up shitty music? Same as it ever was.

[HuckleB]

93. There is so much great local music in most cities in this era.

If people got out to see the bands, they would be amazed. Those bands produce some decent records, too.

[Gregorian]

182. There is so much out there now it's just incredible.

I've been glued to the rolling wave of new music (while catching up on stuff before I was alive), for the last 40 years. I remember hearing Over The Edge on some Berkeley station, in 1976. You could hear a needle skipping at the end of a record, for hours. The dj probably went out to score some burritos. But that's where Negativ land came from. The 90's were my favorite decade including the 60's. It was just outstanding and fun. I thought it was all over in 2000. I felt a lull for about five years. But creativity never sits still. Tons of amazing girl bands. Bands from different parts of the world. The crazy Japanese with bands like Highrise.

I listen all of the time. But I have a dj friend who even listens while he sleeps. Haha.

[Doctor_J]

60. Umm....no

The greatest selling US band in history. Might not be beatlesque, but not horrific by any stretch

[Bonx]

71. The OP's hate is sad, but this is a horrific thread.

[HuckleB]

74. Since when did sales mean quality?

Come on. You can do better than that.

[Doctor_J]

79. Take look at the rest of the top 20 and see which ones are "horrific"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_music_artists_in_the_United_States

[HuckleB]

83. Damn. There are a few, aren't there!

Thanks for helping out there.

[Atman]

89. Lots of them. Thanks for the list.

It makes me weep.

[Atman]

85. McDonald's sells the most "hamburgers."

They must be the best.

[HuckleB]

88. The rock and roll, man!

[FSogol]

69. My first thought after hearing of Frey's death:

Mojo tells a story about a time when he was playing that song and Don Henley joined him on stage and played along.

[HuckleB]

75. Nice.

[Coventina]

311. I'll confess, that was my first thought as well.....

[Kelvin Mace]

76. Right.

[bvf]

80. They did a nice job on back-up vocals for Randy Newman. n/t

[HuckleB]

86. Indeed. -eom-

[Whiskeytide]

87. Whatever, dude ....

The Eagles were a GREAT band, and my go to rock alternative to the national crime of disco in the mid 70s! One of these Nights was my first LP.

Frey was probably my least favorite Eagle, to be honest - but I was ok with him. Henley was as good a lyricist as my generation ever had, and while I wouldn't say he was a great vocalist, his voice was unusual and distinct, and he seemed to put his heart and soul into his music.

Walsh was one of the best in the business as well.

The Eagles got me through more than a few breakups. Already Gone, Victim of Love, Best of My Love and Wasted Time - NOT GOOD??? WTF?

And Hotel California was 1977's anti-commercialism anthem! I even loved their Christmas song.

Muzak? Horrific?! Puh-leeze! I gotta go. I'm Takin' it to the Limit After the Thrill is Gone!

[Warpy]

90. To each his own, I guess.

I saw them in a free concert just before they made it big and thought they were OK. When they were big, I was off listening to old Django Reinhardt/Stephan Grappelli records. My drummer was always different, indeed.

[7wo7rees]

92. Brave and good job.

7wo7rees despises Henley. Ms. 7wo7rees never figured out why Walsh joined them.

Thanks for throwing this out there.

[HuckleB]

98. I'm happy that more than a few seem to like it.

[Quixote1818]

265. Your thread has over 4,000 views and only 12 likes.

That is a "like" ratio of approximately .003. If DU still had the dislike button this thread would probably have about 200 dislikes. The Eagles have also been extremely active in the Democratic Party and active in environmental issues. Henley alone has given close to a million dollars to Democrats over the years. It's sad that when people google "Don Henley Democrat" now, this thread is right near the top giving the impression DU hates the Eagles. Great job.

[Atman]

94. The best line in the article:

"It was the music your parents let you listen to on the hi-fi in the living room."

[HuckleB]

97. Perfection, indeed.

[Arugula Latte]

99. Meh, music is obviously subjective.

There's no right or wrong.

I'll admit I like some stuff that makes a lot of people cringe, like "Sugar, Sugar" by the Archies. So what? Music can be fun, annoying, beautiful, rousing, stupid, melodic, drivel, meaningful, ugly, nostalgic, stirring, dissonant, etc. etc. Also, just because a song is popular and catchy doesn't automatically make it a bad song.

I despise 95 percent of "country" music, but that doesn't mean it's wrong to listen to it. It's just not my choice.

[HuckleB]

110. No one said it was wrong to listen to anything.

But the Eagles still suck. And that Archies song is pop songwriting done right, even if the production is a bit much. I usually know when I like crap, and I admit that it's crap. I also sometimes quality even if it's not my thing. Yeah, there is a lot o f subjectivity, but there is more to it, too.

[edhopper]

115. you should read your own OP

"but the Eagles were, quite simply, the worst rock and roll band.
And hating the Eagles defines whether a music fan is a fan of music or just a bandwagon-jumper. "

pretty much does say that.

you can't hide your lying eyes.

[HuckleB]

122. It doesn't say that at all.

That just recognizes that there are different types of music fans.

[edhopper]

126. that is one steaming pile of bullshit you just laid

"but the Eagles were, quite simply, the worst rock and roll band."

it says only the people who hate the Eagles are really music fans.


condescending bullshit.

BTW, what band do you think it worth listening too, oh superior one?

[HuckleB]

141. LOL!

[mac56]

243. Huck will never tell you.

Buck buck bakaw.

[edhopper]

246. better to laugh

at others loss.

It's so much hipper.

[mac56]

247. He's sooooo edgy

With all that edgy edginess.

[edhopper]

252. sooo edgy

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[HuckleB]

341. Oh, the irony.

[spanone]

107. unrec

[pa28]

117. Have to agree with The Dude as well.

Not the EAGLES man. Not the eagles.

[HuckleB]

132. I'm betting most of the defenders don't like them either.

It's just that they don't like me even more!

[NYC Liberal]

118. So, are you saying they were...

no-talent hacks?

[itcfish]

121. I loved the Eagles!

To each his own. But to say they sucked, goes a little too far.

[B2G]

123. I hate music snobs.

Don't tell me what I should and shouldn't enjoy.

[HuckleB]

125. Cool.

The Eagles still suck.

[B2G]

128. IYHO of course. nt

[LanternWaste]

162. It's fun to push button while maintaining the pretense of innocence.

It's fun for children to push button while maintaining the pretense of innocence. Even more fun for the same children to rationalize that's not what's being done.

It's what small children do... before adulthood teaches us how petulant it actually is, and how poorly it reflects on us.

[HuckleB]

169. LOL! This is hilarious!

WOW!

[SammyWinstonJack]

213. Hehe.

[kentuck]

129. In your opinion.

...

[HuckleB]

150. You forgot to add ", MAN!"

[kentuck]

219. Right!

[Botany]

130. No doubt they don't compare to all of your works but outside of Mozart, the Beatles,

... and Duke Ellington who could?

I bet you go to art movies w/subtitles too.

[SMC22307]

241. I go to art movies w/ subtitles, but find this OP mean-spirited and tacky.

As far as The Eagles, they bring back fond memories of junior high, and that's a good thing. And I will always love Randy Meisner singing "Take it to the Limit."

[Botany]

312. I agree that the O.P. was just being an ass for no good reason.

The Eagles, Linda Rondstat, and Jackson Brown were all friends and
played and wrote music for each other and that tells me more about
the level of talent that was there then some nobody's stupid post on
the net.

BTW I watch movie w/sub titles too.

[SMC22307]

419. JB's "Jamaica Say You Will"... aaaaah, so soothing.

Up there with one of my all-time favs, The Byrds' "Hickory Wind." That song is perfection. Yeah, I like Gram Parsons, too. I'm your toy, I'm your old boy...

[tularetom]

131. Seventies music as a whole sucked

The entire decade was pretty much a big void in my musical memory.

Wuss rock, disco, countrypolitan, it was all a giant conglomeration of shit.

[edhopper]

133. Except for Springsteen.

[tularetom]

151. Well, yeah, there is that

[HuckleB]

140. I used to think that, too.

There was some really good music, too. Off the top of my head: Marley/Wailers, Bowie, Stevie Wonder, The Clash, Sly Stone, Joy Division, Gang of Four, Nick Drake, The Stones' "Exile," The Ramones, Elvis Costello, Talking Heads, Marvin Gaye, Miles Davis, The Specials, John Lennon, Big Star, Herbie Hancock, Iggy Pop's "Lust for Life," Randy Newman, Fela Kuti, Leonard Cohen, Brian Eno, Willie Nelson, Waylon Jennings, ...

[BeyondGeography]

153. Fela Kuti...oh yeah

[tularetom]

176. Even if I agreed with all those I still say the overwhelming majority of pop music released during

the 70's, was crap. There were exceptions of course.

Actually I thought these three were from the 80''s

[JunkYardDogg]

177. Return to Forever, Chick Corea, Mahavishnu, Jan Hammer

Fusion Jazz, Prog Rock, King Crimsom & others, Bloodwin Pig, Coliseum, Buddy Miles Express, Billy Cobham,
You are wrong about the worst band
There have been plenty of really bad bands, like all boy bands
I believe that you have to view them within the genre their music was/is in -that of country "rock" which really came out of L.A.,
we had every type of music genre available to us back in the late '60's & early seventies , & we were really lucky to be exposed to all of that,
back then I had a lot of friends who were musicians, some in name bands, some never made it,
some of my friends were in the Jackson Browne, Joanie Mitchell, L.A. "country" music scene
The Eagles played a lot in a club in Topanga Canyon early on, I never liked them enough to go see them,
but they did write some good songs,
I just like stronger, more powerful music, & we had a lot of it back in those days

[BeyondGeography]

164. 1970-75 was the second half of the greatest decade in the history of popular music

The latter half of the seventies fits your description much better.

[onenote]

198. Maybe you should try filling that void. Here's some suggestions:

Talking Heads: More Songs About Buildings and Food
Television: Marquee Moon
Elvis Costello: My Aim is True and This Year's Model
The Clash: The Clash and London's Calling
The Ramones: The Ramones and Rocket to Russia
Randy Newman: Sail Away
David Bowie: The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust
Devo: Are We Not Men
Led Zeppelin: IV
Rolling Stones: Exile on Main Street
Bob Dylan: Blood on the Tracks
The Who: Who's Next
Marvin Gaye: What's Going On
The Modern Lovers
Velvet Underground: Loaded

There's some quality music there that definitely didn't suck. And that's just a list off the top of my head.

[Erose999]

355. Gotta disagree. Bowie, Costello, Big Star, the Ramones, the Clash, Gang of Four, Motorhead,

the mainstream stuff from the 70's sucked hard but some of the best music ever made came out of the underground.

[Reter]

423. Yeah, I personally prefer the 80's

Then by 1992 music started sucking again.

[BeyondGeography]

134. The Clash and The Talking Heads rescued me from The Eagles

And Bob Marley, too. There were a lot of alternatives, thankfully.

[HuckleB]

146. Lots of great music from that era, though it wasn't at the top of the charts then.

[LanternWaste]

135. No doubt, we all entertain a wide variety of opinions-

No doubt, we all entertain a wide variety of opinions-- even the guy writing the "critique" who regularly provides coverage for the Coney Island July 4 Hot Dog Eating contest... thus dramatically illustrating his predilection for good taste (in addition to his authorship of SUV: The Musical-- itself a masterpiece of banality and the obvious in its story of unrequited love between two crash test dummies).

[BlueJazz]

138. As someone once said "You're no Steely Dan" (not you HuckleB, the Eagles)..But I will admit..

...that Hotel Cal was well done and the engineering very good. The other stuff? Never paid much attention to it..

[HuckleB]

145. Then there's the DJ who played HC over and over again at a beach in San Diego...

... for days on end. That guy definitely sucked.

[peacefreak]

139. Gotta agree.

Saw them when they were just starting out. They opened for Linda Ronstadt & were still wearing Indian war bonnets. There must have been WWWAaayyyy too much coke backstage that night because they all sucked!
That being said they were a good studio band with a fair amount of good songs.

[wendylaroux]

142. no,you do.

[ghostsinthemachine]

152. OMG, this is IT, EXACTLY!

As if someone poured ranch dressing all over the radio.

I am in a fight, one in which a do0o0d threatened to kick my ass, over the past week about this very subject, and in a larger sense, Classic Rock and Steve Miller (Who I find to be the most insipid musician (Miles Davis famously called him "That non playin Muthafucker....&quot ever. (I once saw both together!)

Don't get me wrong, at one time the Eagles were an amazing band. Their first albums and even Hotel California were great and live they were very powerful. But then they stopped doing that. And started being cringe worthy.

I once got fired over a conversation about the Eagles. All of a sudden the long time reception person took offense of a conversation about The Eagles. And all I did was ask why a 20 something young woman was going to a show by a band her grandparents would love, and pay through the nose for it.

For years now it is my dating criteria. I ask women what their favorite band is and nine times out of ten it is "The Eagles". NEXT!

[HuckleB]

154. Great line! (The ranch dressing one.)

Funny thing. I avoided dating women who like Journey, but ended up marrying one who did, anyway. 23 years later, she still likes them, and she hates some of my bands, but I don't think we would remain married if she like Dave Matthews, who seems to be the Eagles of this era. My ear drums want to break when that voice comes out of a speaker.

[ghostsinthemachine]

161. DMB is hardly The Eagles

That band is smoking, and different every night. An undeserved comparison if you ask me. The level of musicality in that band is incomparable. Jeff Coffin is one of the best sax players in the world, playing in the Flecktones, and Carter is an incredible drummer.

But yeah they do have that kind of rep. But for all the wrong reasons, Live that band kills it most nights.

[HuckleB]

165. Oh, no!

Don't go there! Just don't do it.

[Atman]

163. Journey! Bwhahaha!

We used to call them StixForeignerKansasJourneyRush. All sounded exactly the same. It was a horrible era in music. I think the music is why we did drugs. I needed an eightball to get through a Styx album.

[HuckleB]

166. Exactly. -eom-

[Skittles]

251. what kind of dating rating would I get with Rainbow

[klook]

155. One thing you can be sure of

is that the Eagles will be in HEAVY rotation for a while on every mainstream radio station. So you might want to wear earplugs every time you go out in public for the next few weeks.

I was never a fan of the Eagles' music, but I'd rather not waste my breath trashing them when all that will do is annoy their fans and goad them into turning "Take It Easy" up to 11.

[HuckleB]

156. Those folks all use ear speakers now, so I'm not worried.

[klook]

179. Ha, good point

[HuckleB]

158. Well, that was interesting.

Again, somebody had to post it!

[Bonx]

167. It really wasn't

[HuckleB]

170. It must have been, since you keep paying attention to it.

[Bonx]

175. I've watched many things worse than this thread

just not today.

[HuckleB]

368. So you're interested, then.

Got it.

[Bonx]

437. Mildly 'interested' to see how a stupid OP like yours ultimately pans out

About as expected.

[HuckleB]

441. Actions speak louder...

.., and your ... WOW!

[Rex]

168. Only legends write timeless music.

Hack article writers get their 15 minutes by harping on legends. Even if you don't like the band, they will always be legend.

[HuckleB]

171. "Legends."

Oh, goodness. Marketing terms for $200 Alex.

[Rex]

250. Take it up with their record sales and awards.

Yep legends and it doesn't matter if you like their music one iota.

[HuckleB]

370. That's not helping your case.

Awards? Sales? Not really the point. Ever.

You know who Charlie Parker is, right? Do you think anyone is going to know who Glen Frey is 70 years after his death?

Legend.

[TheManInTheMac]

172. One man's opinion. And I should add that

this is the day of Frey's death, so that tells me that, with no interest or taste, I'd question his judgement with regard to anything.

[HuckleB]

173. And that would be your opinion, MAN!

[TheManInTheMac]

217. So you build your opinions off of movies you like? Gotcha.

But maybe you shouldn't disparage a man on the day he dies, Mr. Huckabee.

[HuckleB]

361. Cute.

Nope. I've always hated their muzak. Too bad it bothers you so much.

[joeybee12]

180. Boooooooooooooo!

Much better than this assessment.

[nc4bo]

183. Awwww but I LOVE The Eagles music, Boo. Keeps me chilled out.

[Paladin]

184. How about waiting until the body's cold to venture opinions like that?

You didn't like the Eagles? Fine and dandy. A lot of us did like them, a great deal. How about backing off for a few days before posting opinions like what you've inflicted on us today? Is that asking too much?

[Warren DeMontague]

185. Guy dies--- perfect time to crap on his life's work. Classy.

Hey, look. I'm no huge fan of the Eagles. "Hate" would mean I actually cared more than I do. Some of the songs are listenable in an occasional way, sort of how every now and again you might have nothing to eat except maybe that frozen salisbury steak dinner that's been sitting at the bottom of the freezer for 36 months. You can heat it up and it will do the job, but you don't want to have to do that too often.

But I digress. I simply don't understand people who spend all sorts of time pontificating about "this band sucks". We live in the age of the digital buffet, the media smorgasbord, and no one with minimal technological adeptness and working knuckles has any reason to be "forced" to listen to a single note of music they don't, themselves, in some way choose or 'preference'. So what the fuck, already? Let it go. Artistic appreciation is the very definition of subjectivity.

[Atman]

186. To be fair...

...I crapped on his life's work while he was still alive.

[Warren DeMontague]

188. I just don't have time to worry about all the music I can't stand.

[Atman]

189. Apparently, you do.

You're here, now. Tell us what you hate. I'm sincerely interested. I'll show you my play list if you show me yours.

[Warren DeMontague]

192. Oh, I'm sure there's some overlap.

I have a special place in hell for craptastic overplayed 80s music, myself. Hall and Oates comes to mind. Going further back there is a long list of the 70s "songs to euthanize yourself by" genre that I would be perfectly happy to never hear again; you know, we had seasons in the sun until the ship that launched a thousand faces started spinning slowly down to die because I'm all by myself and holy fuck look at these corduroy bell-bottoms I've got on.

I'd include that shit about General MacArthur leaving the cake out in the rain but, of course, the Korean war took place back in 1967, didn't it?

[Atman]

199. You win.

Great post.

[steve2470]

208. I so agree, you nailed it nt

[drm604]

187. This certainly doesn't hit me the way Bowies passing did

but was everything they did that bad?

What about The Last Resort? It's hard to argue with the message.

[redstateblues]

207. Bowie was mainly theatre.

Like Mark Knophler said "That ain't what I call rock and roll"

[cui bono]

190. I take great issue with Neil Young having been influenced by the Eagles.

Puh-lease... Neil Young is stellar. He is is own man. He is an artist. And he STILL rocks.

Also, I did enjoy the Eagles, but they were less artists than rock musicians.

.

[KT2000]

191. musically inventive Steely Dan????

oh please....

[SMC22307]

235. Thank you. (n/t)

[HuckleB]

365. That's sarcasm. Yikes!

[Odin2005]

200. Don't say that in front of my dad.

You might get your ass whooped!

[randys1]

201. Eagle influenced Neil Young, WHAT THE HELL!

p.s.

worst famous rock band is by FAR

KISS

Neil influenced The Eagles, not the other way around.

[Miles Archer]

237. Yeah, that is 100% unadulterated horseshit.

There is literally nothing in his entire catalog that points back to Henley and Frey...nothing.

Part of the reason for that is Neil's view on romance. The message he most often sends out is "I'm a fucking handful, hope you're ready to deal with it"...as in the Zuma track "Looking For A Love" ("Looking for a love that's right for me, I don't know how long it's gonna be, But I hope I treat her kind, and don't mess with her mind, when she starts to see the darker side of me...&quot

Most of the Henley and Frey stuff was about getting boned, no matter how much they prettied it up.

Saying that Neil was "influenced" by the Eagles is like saying he was "influenced" by America's "Horse With No Name."

[randys1]

242. Glad to see there is another real fan here. I am a musician but a fan first, always

[scarletwoman]

244. I know! That reviewer doesn't know wtf he's talking about!

Let's see...

Buffalo Springfield, with Neil Young, released their first album in 1966 - was that reviewer even born yet?
Neil Young released his first solo album in 1968.
Neil Young and Crazy Horse released their first album together in 1969.
Neil Young joined up with Crosby, Stills, and Nash - becoming Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young - in 1969.
The Eagles released their first album in 1972.

To say that the Eagles influenced Neil Young is not just ridiculous, it's incredibly ignorant! It's like trying to claim that Queen influenced Beethoven!

[bullwinkle428]

255. I'm only 51, and as such, a pretty young kid when the Eagles began

churning out hits, but I knew that Neil Young was a very well-established artist in his own right by that point.

[lumberjack_jeff]

202. There are exceptions to every rule

These four songs should be in any self respecting list of top 100.

[truedelphi]

211. Another example of how weird reviewers are.

I bought my first Rolling Stone within weeks of the Woodstock festival. The cover page article was about how there hadn't been any good music since 1967 or 1966, and that the nation was in for a big decline musically speaking.

(Back in the day, the front page of the Rolling Stone was articles, not a major celeb's boobs hanging out.)

[pansypoo53219]

214. YIPPIE! i am not alone. glen better w/out teh eagles. BLEGH.

[marked50]

215. What hits people is

music that ties them with some emotional experience. It could be the worst song in the world to those who don't feel it in the same way as someone who had their first love experience when "that" song was playing. It is un-inspired to not recognize the varieties of our experience and label things away on the basis of our own personal preferences. If I was to tell you what my favorite music/song or musician was I would have to mindmeld with you in any hope of having you gain any understanding.

[Hoyt]

216. Liked first couple of albums, particularly first. Then, they changed the lineup and went corporate.

[madinmaryland]

218. What a fucking stupid post. I suppose when Jimmy Carter passes away, you'll come on here

and say he was the worst President ever. Get a fucking life.

You don't like the Eagles fine, but at least give it a few days.

[HuckleB]

366. You're comparing Jimmy Carter to Frey?

And I'm the one with bad taste?

[HassleCat]

220. Yeah, yeah, yeah

The Eagles were intensely commercial. They had a formula and they stuck with it. When they appeared live, they made sure the songs sounded just the way they did on the record album. Even so, the quality of the music was much higher than most formula driven top 40 bands. They knew how to play their instruments, and they always had tight harmony. So, not musical genius in the same vein as Steely Dan or Frank Zappa, but a mixture of pop, country rock, etc. that was far superior to most bands of that genre.

[B Calm]

224. I liked them.. I never cared for Punk or Disco.

[liberal N proud]

226. Nothing like dancing on the grave

[MerryBlooms]

231. Yeah, that's my thought...

Dancing on the grave of someone who's dead and still has more fucking talent in his little toe than the OP... but that may be a bit harsh.

[cemaphonic]

227. I'm pretty lukewarm on the Eagles myself

But in this post-Lebowski era, dissing the Eagles is the bandwagon.

[sweetloukillbot]

234. Hating on the Eagles is easy now

And I admit that I've engaged in quite a bit of Eagles hate myself over the past 20 years. And if I never hear Take It Easy or Tequila Sunrise again I'd be happy. But I have to be honest and say I love Hotel California (pretty much the whole album) and side two of Desperado is amazing.

[Rex]

300. YEP.

The irony is off the charts.

[madinmaryland]

228. Well at least we can all agree the NFL Eagles SUCK as a football team. That's what should

be discussed. Not the dissing of a band that lost one of their members, YESTERDAY.

WHAT A F'ING DOUCHEBAG!!

[tishaLA]

232. Dave Matthews thanks youfor this message nt

[HuckleB]

372. .

http://www.salon.com/2013/08/10/15_most_hated_bands_of_last_30_years/

[1monster]

233. Why does music have to be "edgie" to be enjoyed? Personally, I decidedly prefer

music that is NOT "edgie." The very idea of music having edges is oxymoronic.

[Codeine]

238. Music without edges is nothingness.

Pre-chewed, predigested musical pabulum designed for minimum listener effort isn't worth the time it takes to record it. I want music that challenges me, forces me to think and discover and explore.

The Eagles were the fucking Coldplay of their day. They were mom rock.

[1monster]

258. Uh huh. Tell that to Mozart, Beethoven, Tchaikovsky,

Bach, Rimsky-Kosakov, etc...

Their music was dramatic, emotionally evocative, uplifting, amusing, cathartic, and many other adjectives that I don't have the time to pick out on a tiny keyboard, but edgy or havind edges ain't on the list.

[dhill926]

259. actually...

Beethoven was pretty damn edgy for his time. Even some Mozart (almost wrote a 12 tone row in Sym. 40). Tchaikovsky....yeah, not so much.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

369. Edgy? Read the contemporary reviews.

The reviewers thought Brahms wrote symphonies of ghastly noise. Now they are considered to be very pleasant and harmonious. They were new music in the 1880s of Vienna. They were considered astringent. "During his lifetime his music was found uningratiating, if not forbidding, and frankly rather difficult. The First Piano Concerto in 1859, offered audiences a "'waste, barren dreariness'". (from classical-music.com)

Tchaikovsky called Brahms a "giftless bastard."

It depends on what time period you're talking about, what peoples' ears are used to.

"No one ever put up a statue to a critic." -- Jean Sibelius


I've studied classical music for fifty five years, on two instruments and voice, since I barely started the first grade.

I grew up on 60s-70s-80s rock.

The Eagles were damn good. Not groundbreaking, but technically competent. And I don't understand why people hated them so much. Maybe because they sold lots of records and had lots of hits? I saw Don Henley in 2000 on the first night of the Inside Job Tour and enjoyed it thoroughly.

Rolling Stone hated progressive rock too, because they thought guys with classical chops (Rick Wakeman, Keith Emerson) were "pretentious". That's like my stupid neighbors who think anyone who can do anything competently is a "showoff".

You want a sorry excuse for a band, try KISS, who are a real joke, or anything after the late 80s. Like grunge. No way in hell. Sorry.

[Action_Patrol]

240. I'm not bashing Frey, but yes, the Eagles were terrible.

[jmowreader]

249. Yeah...because the Eagles were not a rock and roll band at all

Come on, people. The Eagles are a country band. Listen:

That's not rock. Let's call them "transitional country." They are the missing link between Classic Country - mama, horses, trains and prison - and New Country, which is twangy gospel.

This, OTOH, is ROCK!

[HuckleB]

280. They sucked as a country band, too.

[jmowreader]

282. True dat, but it doesn't change what they are

[HuckleB]

286. They didn't market themselves as country.

And their redeemer, Joe Walsh, is not country.

[PatrickforO]

253. Wow. Gersh Kuntzman is an asshole.

Seriously, the Eagles were great. They were part of my teen soundtrack. To say they suck because they weren't EDGY enough? Fuck that guy. They were tight, in tune, harmonious and had great lyrics.

Geez. What a fuck.

[Zorra]

268. He worked for the NY Post for 10 years. Go figure. nt

[Quixote1818]

298. Agree. nt

[rockfordfile]

430. A republican that dislikes the Eagles

They always have.

[Orrex]

260. I hear that Kanye is planning a tribute album.

[Quixote1818]

261. Over 4,000 views and only 12 likes. All I can say is FAIL! nt

[HuckleB]

414. You can say whatever you want to say.

18 likes is far more than I would have ever expected. Of course, the easily offended silly responses should have been predicted, but I always think better of DU before I post. My bad.

[Quixote1818]

263. Most of them are also very strong Democrats, especially Don Henley

A lifelong supporter of the Democratic Party, Henley has also been a generous donor to political campaigns of Democrats. In 2008, The Washington Post reported Henley had donated over $680,000 to political candidates since 1978.[46]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Henley

[HuckleB]

412. Musicians who are Democrats? Shocking!

[Quixote1818]

446. Wow, real classy response and nice strawman you presented to devert from your lack of respect

for people who give their time, effort and money working for Democratic causes. I am just curious why you would want to drag a Democrat down who works for the causes you claim to support? Why does that give you pleasure? But then again Ted Nugent was a lot more edgy than the Eagles so he is surely more deserving of your respect and admiration.

[Zorra]

267. The critic (eeew) is probably tone deaf, and can't tell a G note from a duck fart.

He wrote for the NY Post for 10 years, so I suspect he probably hates the Eagles politics too.

Dirty Laundry
snip---
In the Eagles' Farewell 1 Tour-Live from Melbourne concert DVD, Henley (speaking for the band) dedicated this song "to Mr. Rupert Murdoch"; in many live performances, this dedication remains, but sometimes is changed "to Mr. Bill O'Reilly".[citation needed] The song was also used in the 2004 documentary Outfoxed as well as in the shorts for the 1995 movie To Die For.[citation needed] The song was performed on the Eagles' Long Road Out of Eden tour in 2008. During the song, a background video shows, among other things, clips from The O'Reilly Factor, Glenn Beck, and The Jerry Springer Show

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_Laundry_%28Don_Henley_song%29

[Quixote1818]

294. Interesting, thanks for posting that. nt

[DFW]

270. So, on DU, you now have to be not only politically correct, but musically correct as well?

Even to the point where to show how awful they were, the ultimate DU pejorative ("corporate&quot is brought out to emphasize it. What's next, The Eagles were Wall Street tax-dodging oligarchs who denied you health care and jacked up the interest on your student loan to finance Halliburton's cash grab during the Iraq invasion?

I realize you can't enforce "get a life" in a court of law, but there are times I wish it were on the books.

[steve2470]

273. +1 nt

[HuckleB]

278. Lol.

You haven't read the silly responses to the piece, have you?

[DFW]

283. I read most of them. Like we used to say in grade school:

Ask a silly question, you get a silly answer

[HuckleB]

285. Or if you don't have anything to say, don't say anything.

[DFW]

287. Yeah, I see a lot of OPs that fall under that rubrique

But whatcha gonna do, right?

[HuckleB]

289. Thanks for the confirmation.

[DFW]

291. gern geschehen

And watch out for evil corporatists hiding down dark streets at night telling you which bands to listen to.

[LostOne4Ever]

272. There are stars in the southern sky...

[HuckleB]

276. Thanks for proving the author's point.

The author should have used that mindless lyric, indeed.

[CBGLuthier]

275. I don't hate The Eagles, just not much of a fan. My favorite song of theirs is still James Dean

I do agree with this article that Joe Walsh is their one major redeeming quality.

[RufusTFirefly]

279. As usual, I side with the Dude on this...

https://m.

[Binkie The Clown]

281. Next you'll be telling us that the BeeGees weren't the greatest band of all time!

Come on. Admit it. You were tapping your toes while you listened. Don't lie now. Fess up.

[deathrind]

284. Everyone is entitled...

To their own opinion. Having said that strongly disagree with this opinion. How anyone could say songs like "Take it Easy" "Desperado" "Hotel California" "Life in the Fast Lane" "Lyin Eyes" "Already Gone" just to name a few as horrible leads me to believe the writer of that piece must be deaf.

[PatrickforO]

290. One thing I forgot to say - Glenn, RIP

Fuck all this other shit.

[Zen Democrat]

292. I wasn't a "fan" of anyone except the Beatles and Moodies, but Bitter Creek, man,

Bitter Creek on the Desperado album was a cool song. I liked that particular early iteration of the Eagles. And rock was all over the map. Most heads were just like mine and loved the best of all of it. It was a Golden psychedelic age and the Eagles had their place. Just like anything else, I wouldn't want to listen to it all night, or anything all night long unless it was the Beatles, or the Moodies, Buffalo Springfield (Stills and Young), or Dylan, or Zeppelin. Zeppelin live in 1970 was a religious experience.

But the Eagles had their place. And people should respect that. Jackson Browne, Linda Ronstadt, the Eagles, JD Souther, sometimes the Byrds - they were a musical genre unto themselves.

[lovemydog]

296. This thread reminds me

of the t-shirt: 'Your favorite band sucks.'

I like the music you mention and some Eagles music too.

I don't say which bands I can't stand because it arouses a shit storm and besides, someone somewhere likes them.

[U4ikLefty]

297. The OP shows how classy they are...yet again.

Using an artist's death as an opportunity to slam his art for attention on a website...sad.

[HuckleB]

323. And your need to attack individuals because you can't support your stances continues.

[djean111]

303. Amusing how very childishly pissy some people get, when others don't like what they like,

or do what they say. When others just refuse to obey. Little squinched-up red faces, wee little boot heels drumming on the ground - that's how I picture them. Banging angrily away at their keyboards - sort of like that great old cartoon - "I can't go to bed, someone on the internet won't do or think or like what I tell them to!

Oh, and music is subjective.

[TexasBushwhacker]

425. Kind of like when someone says "You have good taste

in ..." All that really means is "Hey! You like what I like!"

But I think classifying The Eagles as straight rock is a mistake. Certainly they had some songs that were rock. "Life In the Fast Lane" comes to mind. But I think of them as country rock - good country rock - not Alabama.

[steve2470]

304. Subjective opinions about subjective subjects: we all have them nt

[themaguffin]

313. why? why? do a thread like this?

Seriously, if you don't like the Eagles, great, but there's no need to post this bullshit now.

[HuckleB]

324. Why not?

Seriously. The juvenile drama pushed here is just goofy.

[book_worm]

316. Well you can't please everybody

but I would say millions of others disagree with that.

[HuckleB]

329. Argumentum

ad populum. It's not much of an argument. Think McDonald's.

[Blue_Tires]

317. Can we at least let Frey be put in the ground first

before getting all our "official music critic" hats out the closet??

[HuckleB]

350. Why?

After all, plenty of people are praising the music, and no one is bashing them for those opinions.

One thing has nothing to do with the other, and the discussion topic is at hand, so...

[Blue_Tires]

379. I guess I'm just one of those "speak no ill of the dead" -types

*ESPECIALLY* before they have been properly mourned and put to rest...

(For the record, I'm a child of the 1980s, so Glenn Frey was always the "Smuggler's Blues/Heat Is On" guy to me...I knew nothing about the Eagles until that famous line in "The Big Lebowski", and I was 20-21 when I saw that in the theater)

Folks have had years and years to debate the musical merits of the Eagles and their place in rock history, and I remember plenty of past DU threads on them...

[RobinA]

321. Firebombing Dresden

was horrific. The Eagles are a band that you don't like

[HuckleB]

322. Words can be used to describe very different things.

That's just how language works. The Eagles music is horrific. There's just no getting around it. Most children's music is better.

[rockfordfile]

429. Nope The Eagle's music was/still is good

[HuckleB]

328. So, no criticism or praise of the work of dead artists is allowed!

It's funny that it's too hard for some people to handle more than one topic at once, and, interestingly, because they can't do so, they refer to those who can as "juvenile" or "not adult," when the truth is the exact opposite. It's also funny that some people can't simply ignore such criticism, and do their thing. They must be offended, and keep staring and responding to that which they don't like. Anyone who hangs with middle schoolers at all does see a pattern.

[yellowcanine]

330. Meh. I liked "Take it Easy"

Say what you want about the band. I liked the song. Fun lyrics and a catchy tune.
I fantasized about the girl in the flatbed Ford for years.

"Take It Easy"

Well, I'm running down the road
tryin' to loosen my load
I've got seven women on
my mind,
Four that wanna own me,
Two that wanna stone me,
One says she's a friend of mine
Take It easy, take it easy
Don't let the sound of your own wheels
drive you crazy
Lighten up while you still can
don't even try to understand
Just find a place to make your stand
and take it easy
Well, I'm a standing on a corner
in Winslow, Arizona
and such a fine sight to see
It's a girl, my Lord, in a flatbed
Ford slowin' down to take a look at me
Come on, baby, don't say maybe
I gotta know if your sweet love is
gonna save me
We may lose and we may win though
we will never be here again
so open up, I'm climbin' in,
so take it easy
Well I'm running down the road trying to loosen
my load, got a world of trouble on my mind
lookin' for a lover who won't blow my
cover, she's so hard to find
Take it easy, take it easy
don't let the sound of your own
wheels make you crazy
come on baby, don't say maybe
I gotta know if your sweet love is
gonna save me, oh oh oh
Oh we got it easy
We oughta take it easy

[edhopper]

331. You'll like this mural in Winslow Arizona

it's such a fine sight to see.

[IMG][/IMG]

[yellowcanine]

335. Yeah, saw that. Actually I fantasized about the Flatbed Ford as much as the girl.

At least later on.....

[edhopper]

336. Isn't there a thread here about

a DUer whose girl hates his Ford truck?

She should take it easy.

[B Calm]

332. The Eagles were a great band, you must have liked Punk Rock

or Disco!

[HuckleB]

334. "Great."

Meanwhile, what they really did was a muzak version of Kristofferson, Gram Parsons, Willie and Waylon, and others. Boring is boring is boring.

Besides, DUers have known the reality for a long time: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x105293

[WillowTree]

342. Considering the size of their fan base & the level of their success, apparently some would disagree.

[HuckleB]

344. Why are you reposting this...

... logical fallacy? It's already been made, more than once.

[WillowTree]

356. I see.

You should be able to state your opinion(s) over and over ad nauseum, but others shouldn't be allowed to voice theirs even once if that opinion agrees with someone else's with which you take issue.

Whatever. Have fun.

[rockfordfile]

428. Well because some people just don't know what they're talking about

[Erose999]

345. Flying Burrito Brothers > Eagles. Edgier, less stodgy, more fun. Gram Parsons set the blueprint for

the country rock sound with the Byrds' Sweetheart of the rodeo and his own band the Flying Burrito Brothers, and by turning the Stones on to country which gave us Sticky Fingers and Exile on Main St.

The spark that Gram had was missing from the Eagles. I always thought they were a little too polished, a little too AOR.

[HuckleB]

347. Exactly. -eom-

[Paladin]

352. Parsons is dead, too. It's not too late for you to talk some shit about him, though.

Go ahead---we promise to be real impressed.

[HuckleB]

371. Why would I talk shit about Gram Parsons?

It appears that you haven't connected a few dots.

[Paladin]

380. You lack the standing to offer such cricism, given the ugly nature of this thread. (nt)

[sketchy]

411. +1

[HuckleB]

413. Your responses continue to make no sense.

And since you respond to my posts, I clearly have the standing to offer criticism with you and many others.

[Miles Archer]

401. WITHOUT Gram Parsons...

...there wouldn't have been a Sticky Fingers / Exile. Those two albums basically represent the souls of Gram and Mick Taylor. Mick and Keef were astute enough to assemble what was circling them at the time, but to give sole "credit" to the pair...even though that's exactly what's on the songwriting credits...would be absurd.

The Eagles, on the other hand, "inspired" shitty bands like Firefall.

Do you know how Firefall came into existence? Rick Roberts joined the Burritos in 1970 after Gram split. They did one album that was OK, but certainly didn;t make anyone forget Parsons. Wikipedia picks up the story from here:

Last of the Red Hot Burritos is the fourth album by country rock group The Flying Burrito Brothers, released in 1972. By the time this album was recorded, "Sneaky" Pete Kleinow and Bernie Leadon had left the band, leaving Chris Hillman as the sole founding member. In their places, Hillman recruited Al Perkins and Kenny Wertz respectively. Wertz had previously played with Hillman in the Scottsville Squirrel Barkers. The band also added two guest musicians for their fall 1971 tour in Byron Berline and Roger Bush. This lineup toured until Hillman left the band in October, leaving the rights to the band's name to Rick Roberts. Once Hillman departed, A&M Records lost faith in the group. Instead of allowing a Roberts-led version of the band (with no founding members) to record a new studio album, A&M released this live recording instead which fulfilled the band's contract and they were subsequently dropped from the label.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_of_the_Red_Hot_Burritos

So after that Roberts formed Firefall and recorded shitty second-strin Eagles crap. THAT is the level of "influence" the Eagles had.

[JVS]

357. "the Eagles were, quite simply, the worst rock and roll band."

I feel like he's snubbed Starship by saying that.

[edhopper]

383. early stuff was okay

some, like the "Dragonfly" album was pretty good. (try "Hyperdrive" or "Ride the Tiger&quot

Feel apart when "They Built this City".

[lame54]

374. can't agree with that

[whathehell]

385. Edgy smedgy -- Music needn't be "edgy" to be good.

This is the old "If it's popular, it can't be good" crap I've been hearing -- and rejecting -- for forty years.

[edhopper]

388. But then it's not

some indie alt band know one ever heard of. Or something that is loud and cacophonous for the sake of volume.

That's what all the cool kids listen to.

[whathehell]

391. Of course..

A musician friend of mine used to argue this shit with me all the time. Very tiresome.


It''s non- elite, non-aesthete, and probably un-pc too, but AFAIC, if I like it, it's 'good'.

[edhopper]

394. And of course

you can like the Eagles AND, Led Zep, the Stones, Cream, Bowie, G & R, Nirvanna, Green Day etc...

[whathehell]

395. Yes

Just as one can like different types of film, literature, etc.

[edhopper]

396. Too true

you can like Star Wars and My Dinner with Andre.

[whathehell]

397. Yes, I believe

we've nailed it.

[steve2470]

389. Totally agree

Good music = music that makes you happy or gives you a new insight, etc. If Gregorian chants makes someone happy, why should I put it and them down ?

I'm interested in this issue because "my music" has often been derided and smugly put down. Fuck that. I enjoy it. That's all that matters. Go enjoy yours. I'm not a country music fan, but if someone is, more power to them. They enjoy it. It makes their brain hum in the exactly right way. We're all different and have different brains and different backgrounds.

Obscurity and edginess does not equal musical superiority in all cases.

[whathehell]

393. Thanks...You said it way better than I did.

Music is to be enjoyed, not picked over like a science project.

Trying to explain why you like it is like trying to explain a joke. You either get it or you don't

[Quixote1818]

400. This is the best discussion of the thread down here

Thanks for saying exactly what I was thinking.

[whathehell]

424. I appreciate that, Quixote..

and you're welcome -- Someone had to say it!

[Rex]

435. Well in all fairness, it is to someone that only knows one kind of music.

Such as a child that has never been exposed to a diversity of great music. I have friends like that, all they know is that country music is the only kind of music that is good.

Think of them as people that would buy paintings at a starving artist show and consider it high art.

[HuckleB]

445. Your post makes no sense.

[Rex]

448. .

[hifiguy]

402. I largely agree.

They were excellent musicians, Joe Walsh in the band's later days in particular, but they were too LA-slick, too pseudo-country, too blatantly commercial in a lowest-common-denominator way and not my cup of Earl Grey in the slightest. Usually changed the station when one of their hopelessly-overplayed bland tunes came on. Now Steely Dan, now those guys I LOVED. Still do.

That said, RIP Glenn Frey.

[MrWendel]

403. I...

don't know much about the Eagles, but someone told me the other day that they are one of those bands that have songs out there that you listen to that you didn't even know that were they're or influenced by them. I wish allot more acts made impacts like that.

[HuckleB]

407. Not really, the latter part, anyway.

Any "influence" actually came from others mentioned here like Gram Parsons, and the Outlaw Country movement. The Eagles really just turned those folks' work into easy listening muzak. Thus, those folks will be remembered long after the Eagles are forgotten.

[rockfordfile]

427. The Eagles will never be forgotten

Their music have around for years and will continue to be.

[cheapdate]

404. Lyin' Eyes was a horrible song. As bad as anything Kenny Rogers ever did.

[HuckleB]

405. An apt comparison, indeed.

[Adrahil]

418. I hate snobbery.

You don't like 'em, don't listen to 'em. I ahet it when people tell other people what they should like, and what rhey should not. It's snobbery.

[HuckleB]

420. I hate snobbery snobbery.

[LanternWaste]

433. This thread appears to have brought out an over-emotional and melodramatic side of you.

This thread appears to have brought out an over-emotional and melodramatic side of you. I hope if you're on any prescriptions, you're taking them regularly to avoid this unsightly, impulsive and shrill aspect of yours you're currently illustrating.

Good luck!!!

[HuckleB]

443. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

It's a good thing you don't make a living ...

[rockfordfile]

426. That writer sounds like a idiot

The Eagles are a good Soft Rock band.

[HuckleB]

442. An idiot, you mean.

[gollygee]

434. I think REO Speedwagon was the worst rock and roll band

With Styx taking up a close second.

But I don't like the Eagles either. They're in the bottom 10 anyway.

[arenean]

447. Guardian: You mourned David Bowie, but you mock Glenn Frey. Why?

From The Guardian:

Anyone who was defensive over the mass mourning of Bowie but laughed at the death of the Eagles member is a hypocrite

http://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2016/jan/20/david-bowie-glenn-frey-mourn-mock-eagles-everett-true?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

[Rex]

449. Good to see the author of that trash piece put in their place so many times.

They seem to be a real idiot.

[HuckleB]

452. .

http://www.salon.com/2013/08/08/quit_defending_the_eagles_theyre_simply_terrible/

[HuckleB]

453. .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x105293