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WOW this is just too rich not to share. You will LOVE it (Original Post) BigBearJohn Jan 2016 OP
Monumentally unqualified. milestogo Jan 2016 #1
I agree. SamKnause Jan 2016 #2
Trump encapsulates the definition of the Ugly American - on steroids hence malaise Jan 2016 #3
Reminds me of that article on Trump NewJeffCT Jan 2016 #7
Crass, vulgar, uncouth malaise Jan 2016 #8
Ugh, so typical of him. smirkymonkey Jan 2016 #24
It's really what a lot of the rich talk about lunatica Jan 2016 #32
From "My Last Duchess" (Robert Browning). tblue37 Jan 2016 #33
I'm more likely to brag about .. cannabis_flower Jan 2016 #41
Had the same thought mdbl Jan 2016 #69
It would be better if you said I got this Picasso for $20! lunatica Jan 2016 #75
See my reply below. cannabis_flower Jan 2016 #78
See my reply below too lunatica Jan 2016 #81
Good name dropping! lunatica Jan 2016 #76
Jeez Louise cannabis_flower Jan 2016 #77
You got me totally wrong lunatica Jan 2016 #80
Sorry cannabis_flower Jan 2016 #82
I was but it's because of the irony of the opposites. lunatica Jan 2016 #84
Slightly related, and I think you will understand this dixiegrrrrl Jan 2016 #18
I used to travel a lot internationally and sometimes I was embarrassed to say where I RKP5637 Jan 2016 #29
It's a mixed bag because there are some very cool and calm American tourists malaise Jan 2016 #30
Lol..I have never been out of the country dixiegrrrrl Jan 2016 #31
Irish Town! My sister used to live there! Tanuki Jan 2016 #71
Wow! WHat a small world malaise Jan 2016 #72
We teased her about living in the Red Light district. Tanuki Jan 2016 #73
Hehehehhe malaise Jan 2016 #74
He's HUGELY ugly! malthaussen Jan 2016 #39
Love it? No...... daleanime Jan 2016 #4
Amen BigBearJohn Jan 2016 #5
You said it. Delphinus Jan 2016 #10
Trump's popularity is no mystery... Moostache Jan 2016 #6
I think you're exactly right renate Jan 2016 #44
An American's view on this New Zealander.. whathehell Jan 2016 #9
wouldn't it be more appropriate to consider how THEY might reflect America?. AlbertCat Jan 2016 #14
Yes, it would be more appropriate to consider how Clinton & Sanders reflect America whathehell Jan 2016 #21
Keep in mind... gregcrawford Jan 2016 #16
The New Zealander agrees with you, I think... Whiskeytide Jan 2016 #19
I hope so, and yes, I do understand what you are saying.. whathehell Jan 2016 #22
They are not bashing America, just the right wingers who go for this shit. passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #38
Yes, I get that. whathehell Jan 2016 #48
I am rather fond of neologisms, and I have... 3catwoman3 Jan 2016 #11
That's a good one, 3catwoman3.. whathehell Jan 2016 #23
K&R!! Duval Jan 2016 #12
Remember when we thought GWB would be beac Jan 2016 #13
It's a race to the bottom... gregcrawford Jan 2016 #15
Probably the only time "hair" and "winning" have appeared in the same beac Jan 2016 #26
Sadly, I don't love it. Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2016 #17
I couldn't add anything to this quote. Rider3 Jan 2016 #20
when I said you would love it, I thought it was understood BigBearJohn Jan 2016 #25
Kind of like on Face book... Wounded Bear Jan 2016 #28
Glad he attributed it to only repugs and not all Americans lame54 Jan 2016 #27
I don't really go for the gratuitous slam against Americans in that quote. MADem Jan 2016 #34
If the shoe fits. That is the way much of the world sees us. nt TeamPooka Jan 2016 #42
Doesn't make it true, though--from a guy from a tiny country that has a mote in their own eye. nt MADem Jan 2016 #45
When GOP runs 2/3rds of our government and say what they say, how else are they supposed to see us? TeamPooka Jan 2016 #47
As individuals. We also are the country of FDR, JFK, MLK and a number of other internationally MADem Jan 2016 #52
Ask Trump that too. :) TeamPooka Jan 2016 #61
Really? You took this personally? bvf Jan 2016 #49
That remark says so much about you. None of it good. MADem Jan 2016 #51
Kept sneaking back in, did you? bvf Jan 2016 #54
Wow, double ugliness! Now you're calling me 'undocumented?' MADem Jan 2016 #55
Uh huh. Sure thing, Captain. bvf Jan 2016 #56
What DID you mean, then? What was that comment about "sneaking back in" all about? MADem Jan 2016 #57
You're funny. bvf Jan 2016 #58
I guess you're not going to tell me what you meant, then? MADem Jan 2016 #60
Now, there's a good fellow! n/t bvf Jan 2016 #62
OK. I am getting the sense that you know what you said was a little shirty. nt MADem Jan 2016 #63
Mind that ouija board. It has all the answers you need. bvf Jan 2016 #64
Guess not. nt MADem Jan 2016 #65
In that case, I'd ask for my money back, if I were you. bvf Jan 2016 #66
The writer did not say Mariana Jan 2016 #83
Read it again. It's a rather blanket statement. nt MADem Jan 2016 #85
Sounds like Trump has no respect in the world view. I want a president that's respected! B Calm Jan 2016 #35
Presudent Sanders will heal our wounded reputation BigBearJohn Jan 2016 #37
Not if he keeps telling the Saudis and the Persians to kiss up and kill the Syrians. nt MADem Jan 2016 #46
Excellent! passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #36
Oy, Oy, Oy! nt TeamPooka Jan 2016 #40
The Ugly American personified. moondust Jan 2016 #43
The Rep Party... zentrum Jan 2016 #50
Nice to see this slam against Repukes. Rex Jan 2016 #53
he is being very nice about it. niyad Jan 2016 #59
And Hillary Shamelessly Pushed The Center To The Right billhicks76 Jan 2016 #67
At least I learned one thing with this DFW Jan 2016 #68
Yes, people around the world see Trump this way yet, UCmeNdc Jan 2016 #70
"Trump personifies...America...relentless...epic scale." --Paul Thomas, NZ Herald Orsino Jan 2016 #79
Um, no, Trump does not "personify America" whathehell Jan 2016 #86

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
7. Reminds me of that article on Trump
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 10:28 AM
Jan 2016

where Trump invited a magazine writer that he knew was somewhat hostile to him to his home in Florida, in the hopes of changing his mind about him. The writer commented how Trump wanted to show him an expensive painting and Trump beckoned the writer to look at the painting up close and he was expecting Trump to comment on something like the coloring, the brush strokes, or something to that effect, but Trump's comment was something like, "see this painting - 5 million dollars." (or, whatever the cost was) - no comment on the artist or the work itself, just the cost. Maybe I was raised incorrectly, but I had always thought bragging about how much you paid for things was considered crass?

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
32. It's really what a lot of the rich talk about
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 06:48 PM
Jan 2016

They don't buy painting for their beauty. they buy them for bragging right on how much it costs them.

They don't create their own beautiful center pieces for parties. They buy the ones made by the most expensive businesses and always mention how much it costs them. It's like the dresses during the Oscars. Everyone refers to the dresses by the name of the expensive designer. "Is that a Vera Wang dress?", "Yes it is! Isn't it beautiful"

The dress has to be by a well known designer and has to be the most expensive dress in the collection.

The rich have bragging rights and that's what they do. (not all of them, of course, but truly most of them). Even if they don't say anything about what they're wearing, you better believe it's the most expensive in the collection. Men included.

tblue37

(65,483 posts)
33. From "My Last Duchess" (Robert Browning).
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 07:00 PM
Jan 2016
Notice Neptune, though, thought a rarity,
Which Claus of Innsbruck cast in bronze for me.

cannabis_flower

(3,765 posts)
41. I'm more likely to brag about ..
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 08:29 PM
Jan 2016

how cheap I got something at the resale shop. Wow, Ann Klein slacks --$7.00

cannabis_flower

(3,765 posts)
77. Jeez Louise
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 01:59 PM
Jan 2016

I only said Ann Klein because it was the only name I could think of. I'm pretty sure I don't actually have an Ann Klein anything.

Not only that, I think name dropping only really refers to saying I actually know Ann Klein, not that I have one of her pieces of clothing.

Seems like you are reaching to find something to criticize. Glad I don't personally know you. You seem like a jerk.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
80. You got me totally wrong
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 06:46 PM
Jan 2016

I was laughing with you, because you actually made me laugh! Sorry I came across as a jerk. Sincerely!

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
84. I was but it's because of the irony of the opposites.
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 06:54 PM
Jan 2016

The rich name drop to show off how much they spent, and we poor folk name drop when we get designer stuff for a bargain.

We all feel great when we can get something the rich pay top dollar for almost nothing.

It wouldn't be the same if we bought any old non brand pants for $20. But an Ann Klein pair, well that's something to brag about!

Maybe my humor is too into irony.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
18. Slightly related, and I think you will understand this
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 11:50 AM
Jan 2016

any news programs I watch are online, from BBC or other foreign stations, and I always marvel at how calmly the news is presented, without hyper active, voice raising, excited announcers.
Which often makes me think of how Americans must be seen, esp. tourists, who, if they are like the tourists I run across here in the states,
are pushy and loud, demanding, and self entitled.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
29. I used to travel a lot internationally and sometimes I was embarrassed to say where I
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 02:43 PM
Jan 2016

was from. Sometimes people internationally take a dim view of Americans. I found it better to let people see me for what I was than for them to launch into a stereotyped vision of me.

I was once at a luncheon with some scholars from Oxford. Afterward one of the top dogs, so to say, came over and said he was impressed with my behavior. I was thinking to myself, although educated I had no F'en idea what they were talking about, why was he saying this. He said what I did was typically un-American? He said I had kept my mouth shut, was polite, and did not claim to know something when I knew nothing about the topic. It was definitely meant as a complement.

One another occasion I was with some Brits, and one distinguished gentlemen told me he would never visit America. I was disappointed and asked why. He said, too many guns and too many reckless people with guns. He was not about to be killed on vacation.

On another occasion, I had my passport thrown at me by a French Custom's Agent.

I'm not saying all people feel this way, but many do. I've thought about Trump a number of times, and he does represent what many do not like about some Americans in other countries. And likewise here in America too. We think he's an obnoxious bore.

malaise

(269,157 posts)
30. It's a mixed bag because there are some very cool and calm American tourists
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 04:00 PM
Jan 2016

most of whom are never found near the traditional hotel scene.
I see many of them walking on Hope Road towards Bob Marley's home/museum.
I run into them on campus and in the hills of Portland, Irish Town and Gordon Town.

I think the worst part of the Ugly American whether media hack or tourist is the belief that they are 'exceptional' and rules and norms in other countries don't apply to them.

You've traveled a lot so you know them well

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
31. Lol..I have never been out of the country
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 04:45 PM
Jan 2016

but I have traveled and/or lived in places that Americans visit, so have seen plenty of unpleasant behavior.
and heard of how the average American comes across ( NOT us intelligent well behaved ones... )

I cannot bear to think of someone like Trump following in the footsteps of the Obamas in the WH.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
4. Love it? No......
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 09:50 AM
Jan 2016

Appreciate the honesty, yes. Is it accurate? Oh, hell yes.

There is nothing to love about the fact 15 to 20% of our country seems to have lost its fucking mind.

Moostache

(9,897 posts)
6. Trump's popularity is no mystery...
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 10:26 AM
Jan 2016

He is what the lizard-brained right wing kook sees in the mirror everyday.

They all believe - not "think", but BELIEVE - that they are going to be rich too someday...any day....later, if it weren't for _____ (insert outside group here).

Trump disgusts me the same way that seeing someone step in dogshit does...but the one's who LIKE the dogshit disgust me even more.

renate

(13,776 posts)
44. I think you're exactly right
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 08:43 PM
Jan 2016

At least, a lot of them probably do think that they'd be rich too if it weren't for all the ______. The rest of them are just racist without the illusions of grandeur.

whathehell

(29,090 posts)
9. An American's view on this New Zealander..
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 11:00 AM
Jan 2016

No, I don't love it and I'm tired of America being conflated with it's worst people.

Since polls now show Trump being beaten by both Hillary
and Bernie, wouldn't it be more appropriate to consider how THEY might reflect America?.…Tthey'd have "angle" in Americans first time spporting a democratic socialist, a man funded entirely by citizen donation.

Nah...That wouldn't let America bash, so where's the fun in that?

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
14. wouldn't it be more appropriate to consider how THEY might reflect America?.
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 11:28 AM
Jan 2016

No.


Not when Trump is so media popular. He is what our media likes to portray The US as being.... so....

whathehell

(29,090 posts)
21. Yes, it would be more appropriate to consider how Clinton & Sanders reflect America
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 12:31 PM
Jan 2016

Unless, of course, you're more interested in "punishing" America for its media than you are in the truth ABOUT America

being disseminated abroad.


In suppressing the facts about our campaign, another possibility, of course, one you may be loathe to entertain,

is that the New Zealand's media may be showing themselves to be as sensationalist and superficial as ours.

gregcrawford

(2,382 posts)
16. Keep in mind...
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 11:40 AM
Jan 2016

... the fact that those who do not live here have only mass media accounts by which to formulate an opinion. Now, which candidate has monopolized print, broadcast, and social media for the past 10 months? Ladies and gentlemen, I give you... THE DONALD!

One does not have to be an especially astute observer to know that the six corporations that control the dissemination of the vast majority of information in this country work very hard to slant coverage in favor of a conservative outlook. So those in Middle Earth might be forgiven if it looks to them like America is dominated by the spawn of an unholy union between Sauron and Gollum.

Whiskeytide

(4,462 posts)
19. The New Zealander agrees with you, I think...
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 11:58 AM
Jan 2016
... He is actually saying that the things the rest of the world hate about America are personified by the REPUBLICAN front runner, and the fact that he's the republican front runner is telling the rest of the world a lot about who our republicans really are. That necessarily means that the Dems in the race are, well .... not the republicans, right?

His description of Trump is spot on. And the characteristics listed are worthy of condemnation. And, whether we like it or not, we have done some things to promote such an image globally. I think this guy is just trying to get the word out on which side should have to "own" the image. JMT.

whathehell

(29,090 posts)
22. I hope so, and yes, I do understand what you are saying..
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 12:37 PM
Jan 2016

Trump IS awful..I just wish they'd show a bit of "balance" and give at least equal time to the candidates who are actually

more popular, and more likely to win the election

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
38. They are not bashing America, just the right wingers who go for this shit.
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 07:46 PM
Jan 2016

There is a reason many foreigners despise America...the right wingers shout the loudest and they get covered by talk radio and fox news all the time. The rest of our voices are drowned out. But he admits in his quote that it is the Republican party that represents these people. And he's not wrong. There are good republicans, but they don't speak up.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,191 posts)
17. Sadly, I don't love it.
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 11:45 AM
Jan 2016

While not wrong, I hate that I--as an American--get associated with everything awful that is Donald Trump.

BigBearJohn

(11,410 posts)
25. when I said you would love it, I thought it was understood
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 02:06 PM
Jan 2016

that what you would love was having what I see as a perfect putdown of Donald and his adoring Republucon admirers. Didn't realize I would have to explain my meaning. But since the post got so many recs, I think you got it.

Wounded Bear

(58,698 posts)
28. Kind of like on Face book...
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 02:13 PM
Jan 2016

I would click "like" on something like this to further disseminate it and share with my circle of friends, even though I don't much like the subject matter.

The content is spot on re: Trump. And it sucks that an asshole like him might be the "face" of America around the world.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
34. I don't really go for the gratuitous slam against Americans in that quote.
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 07:04 PM
Jan 2016

The broad brushing is just uncalled for.

Sure, we have an asshole named Trump in public life. I'm sure NZ has a few assholes, too. Kim Dotcom comes to mind.

And New Zealand isn't a tolerant paradise, either--they've got problems of their own with racism:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11490650

So, speaking of "casual" bigotry, it's rather bigoted of this New Zealander to paint us all with a broad brush just because he doesn't like ONE asshole out of 320 million citizens. In his effort to look down on one guy, he splashes his shit on all of us....

MADem

(135,425 posts)
45. Doesn't make it true, though--from a guy from a tiny country that has a mote in their own eye. nt
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 08:44 PM
Jan 2016

TeamPooka

(24,250 posts)
47. When GOP runs 2/3rds of our government and say what they say, how else are they supposed to see us?
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 08:56 PM
Jan 2016

MADem

(135,425 posts)
52. As individuals. We also are the country of FDR, JFK, MLK and a number of other internationally
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 10:26 PM
Jan 2016

respected leaders. Obama gets good press around the world, so does Clinton (both of them), and Jimmy Carter, too.


He's ONE asshole who holds no government position--he's simply applying for one, at this stage of the game. He makes a lot of noise, but so do many people. Why give ONE asshole more of a spotlight than he deserves?

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
49. Really? You took this personally?
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 09:33 PM
Jan 2016

If you took the trouble to think about what you were reading, and tried to understand the meanings of the words in front of you, you'd probably rethink your post, assuming any thought went into it in the first place.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
51. That remark says so much about you. None of it good.
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 10:24 PM
Jan 2016

I have spent most of my life OUTSIDE the USA.

I think my perspective is informed by far more personal international experience than yours, but thanks for attempting to play. It was plainly a struggle, and you acquitted yourself poorly, but you surely tried, I imagine.

The one who didn't think before they posted crafted Post 49 in this thread.



Pat yourself on the back, Snarky! Heckuva job lobbing a lame insult! Bet you felt real cool when you hit that POST button, too!

MADem

(135,425 posts)
55. Wow, double ugliness! Now you're calling me 'undocumented?'
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 10:32 PM
Jan 2016

Sure you didn't take a wrong turn on the World Wide Web?

People who hate on immigrants don't usually land up in here...


bvf (4,572 posts)
54. Kept sneaking back in, did you?

Did it get easier with practice?

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
56. Uh huh. Sure thing, Captain.
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 10:37 PM
Jan 2016

Read words that aren't there. You've already demonstrated your penchant for that, and there's no reason to expect you to stop now.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
57. What DID you mean, then? What was that comment about "sneaking back in" all about?
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 10:54 PM
Jan 2016

I asked a question, and you didn't answer it.

Do clarify, rather than respond with an accusation.

You've demonstrated YOUR penchant for accusation with your post 56.

I'll await a plainspoken explanation of what you meant about your remark upthread.


bvf
56. Uh huh. Sure thing, Captain.
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Read words that aren't there. You've already demonstrated your penchant for that, and there's no reason to expect you to stop now.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
60. I guess you're not going to tell me what you meant, then?
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 11:44 PM
Jan 2016
bvf
58. You're funny.
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Touchy, in a "harumph" sort of way, but funny.

Don't ever change, y'hear?

Mariana

(14,860 posts)
83. The writer did not say
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 06:51 PM
Jan 2016

that those qualities only exist in America. Neither did he say that all Americans exhibit these traits. He also never claimed there is no racism or are no assholes in public life in New Zealand. You're imagining things that aren't there.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
50. The Rep Party...
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 09:53 PM
Jan 2016

…and half the country. Because let's not forget the internationally embarrassing precursors to him—GW and Palin.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
53. Nice to see this slam against Repukes.
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 10:28 PM
Jan 2016

I have no doubt they will be mad at that statement and probably cry about it some.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
67. And Hillary Shamelessly Pushed The Center To The Right
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 02:26 AM
Jan 2016

That enabled the republicans to mover further right into looney land because they understandably will always feel a need to differentiate themselves from the rest of us because its their nature. Clinton knew this and didnt care.

DFW

(54,436 posts)
68. At least I learned one thing with this
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 04:12 AM
Jan 2016

Now I know the first country to be bombed if Trump is inaugurated.

UCmeNdc

(9,600 posts)
70. Yes, people around the world see Trump this way yet,
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 07:35 AM
Jan 2016

The average Joe GOPer sees him as a hero.

What else can you say except the americans are unique.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
79. "Trump personifies...America...relentless...epic scale." --Paul Thomas, NZ Herald
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 03:16 PM
Jan 2016

Mr. Trump thanks you for that beautiful blurb. Just wonderful.

whathehell

(29,090 posts)
86. Um, no, Trump does not "personify America"
Sun Jan 24, 2016, 11:32 AM
Jan 2016

especially since polls show him losing an election to Hillary AND Bernie.

He only personifies America to those already invested in hating us, the overwhelming majority of whom
have never been here and know only what they see on the teevee.

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