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(16,829 posts)SamKnause
(13,110 posts)The Tea Party (aka The Republican Party) is a destructive national embarrassment.
malaise
(269,157 posts)The Ugliest American
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)where Trump invited a magazine writer that he knew was somewhat hostile to him to his home in Florida, in the hopes of changing his mind about him. The writer commented how Trump wanted to show him an expensive painting and Trump beckoned the writer to look at the painting up close and he was expecting Trump to comment on something like the coloring, the brush strokes, or something to that effect, but Trump's comment was something like, "see this painting - 5 million dollars." (or, whatever the cost was) - no comment on the artist or the work itself, just the cost. Maybe I was raised incorrectly, but I had always thought bragging about how much you paid for things was considered crass?
malaise
(269,157 posts)and oh so tasteless.
He's everything I most despise about human beings.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)He's the epitome of vulgar.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)They don't buy painting for their beauty. they buy them for bragging right on how much it costs them.
They don't create their own beautiful center pieces for parties. They buy the ones made by the most expensive businesses and always mention how much it costs them. It's like the dresses during the Oscars. Everyone refers to the dresses by the name of the expensive designer. "Is that a Vera Wang dress?", "Yes it is! Isn't it beautiful"
The dress has to be by a well known designer and has to be the most expensive dress in the collection.
The rich have bragging rights and that's what they do. (not all of them, of course, but truly most of them). Even if they don't say anything about what they're wearing, you better believe it's the most expensive in the collection. Men included.
tblue37
(65,483 posts)Notice Neptune, though, thought a rarity,
Which Claus of Innsbruck cast in bronze for me.
cannabis_flower
(3,765 posts)how cheap I got something at the resale shop. Wow, Ann Klein slacks --$7.00
mdbl
(4,973 posts)"Got this 5 million dollar painting for 20 bucks!"
lunatica
(53,410 posts)We can name drop too you know.
cannabis_flower
(3,765 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)Who cares what you got unless it's an actual Ann Klein!
cannabis_flower
(3,765 posts)I only said Ann Klein because it was the only name I could think of. I'm pretty sure I don't actually have an Ann Klein anything.
Not only that, I think name dropping only really refers to saying I actually know Ann Klein, not that I have one of her pieces of clothing.
Seems like you are reaching to find something to criticize. Glad I don't personally know you. You seem like a jerk.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)I was laughing with you, because you actually made me laugh! Sorry I came across as a jerk. Sincerely!
cannabis_flower
(3,765 posts)I guess I didn't understand your joke. I thought you were calling me a name dropper.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)The rich name drop to show off how much they spent, and we poor folk name drop when we get designer stuff for a bargain.
We all feel great when we can get something the rich pay top dollar for almost nothing.
It wouldn't be the same if we bought any old non brand pants for $20. But an Ann Klein pair, well that's something to brag about!
Maybe my humor is too into irony.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)any news programs I watch are online, from BBC or other foreign stations, and I always marvel at how calmly the news is presented, without hyper active, voice raising, excited announcers.
Which often makes me think of how Americans must be seen, esp. tourists, who, if they are like the tourists I run across here in the states,
are pushy and loud, demanding, and self entitled.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)was from. Sometimes people internationally take a dim view of Americans. I found it better to let people see me for what I was than for them to launch into a stereotyped vision of me.
I was once at a luncheon with some scholars from Oxford. Afterward one of the top dogs, so to say, came over and said he was impressed with my behavior. I was thinking to myself, although educated I had no F'en idea what they were talking about, why was he saying this. He said what I did was typically un-American? He said I had kept my mouth shut, was polite, and did not claim to know something when I knew nothing about the topic. It was definitely meant as a complement.
One another occasion I was with some Brits, and one distinguished gentlemen told me he would never visit America. I was disappointed and asked why. He said, too many guns and too many reckless people with guns. He was not about to be killed on vacation.
On another occasion, I had my passport thrown at me by a French Custom's Agent.
I'm not saying all people feel this way, but many do. I've thought about Trump a number of times, and he does represent what many do not like about some Americans in other countries. And likewise here in America too. We think he's an obnoxious bore.
malaise
(269,157 posts)most of whom are never found near the traditional hotel scene.
I see many of them walking on Hope Road towards Bob Marley's home/museum.
I run into them on campus and in the hills of Portland, Irish Town and Gordon Town.
I think the worst part of the Ugly American whether media hack or tourist is the belief that they are 'exceptional' and rules and norms in other countries don't apply to them.
You've traveled a lot so you know them well
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)but I have traveled and/or lived in places that Americans visit, so have seen plenty of unpleasant behavior.
and heard of how the average American comes across ( NOT us intelligent well behaved ones... )
I cannot bear to think of someone like Trump following in the footsteps of the Obamas in the WH.
Tanuki
(14,920 posts)malaise
(269,157 posts)Tanuki
(14,920 posts)malaise
(269,157 posts)I can see it
malthaussen
(17,216 posts)Everything about him is huge, including the indigestion he causes me.
-- Mal
daleanime
(17,796 posts)Appreciate the honesty, yes. Is it accurate? Oh, hell yes.
There is nothing to love about the fact 15 to 20% of our country seems to have lost its fucking mind.
BigBearJohn
(11,410 posts)Delphinus
(11,840 posts)Moostache
(9,897 posts)He is what the lizard-brained right wing kook sees in the mirror everyday.
They all believe - not "think", but BELIEVE - that they are going to be rich too someday...any day....later, if it weren't for _____ (insert outside group here).
Trump disgusts me the same way that seeing someone step in dogshit does...but the one's who LIKE the dogshit disgust me even more.
renate
(13,776 posts)At least, a lot of them probably do think that they'd be rich too if it weren't for all the ______. The rest of them are just racist without the illusions of grandeur.
whathehell
(29,090 posts)No, I don't love it and I'm tired of America being conflated with it's worst people.
Since polls now show Trump being beaten by both Hillary
and Bernie, wouldn't it be more appropriate to consider how THEY might reflect America?.
Tthey'd have "angle" in Americans first time spporting a democratic socialist, a man funded entirely by citizen donation.
Nah...That wouldn't let America bash, so where's the fun in that?
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)No.
Not when Trump is so media popular. He is what our media likes to portray The US as being.... so....
whathehell
(29,090 posts)Unless, of course, you're more interested in "punishing" America for its media than you are in the truth ABOUT America
being disseminated abroad.
In suppressing the facts about our campaign, another possibility, of course, one you may be loathe to entertain,
is that the New Zealand's media may be showing themselves to be as sensationalist and superficial as ours.
gregcrawford
(2,382 posts)... the fact that those who do not live here have only mass media accounts by which to formulate an opinion. Now, which candidate has monopolized print, broadcast, and social media for the past 10 months? Ladies and gentlemen, I give you... THE DONALD!
One does not have to be an especially astute observer to know that the six corporations that control the dissemination of the vast majority of information in this country work very hard to slant coverage in favor of a conservative outlook. So those in Middle Earth might be forgiven if it looks to them like America is dominated by the spawn of an unholy union between Sauron and Gollum.
Whiskeytide
(4,462 posts)His description of Trump is spot on. And the characteristics listed are worthy of condemnation. And, whether we like it or not, we have done some things to promote such an image globally. I think this guy is just trying to get the word out on which side should have to "own" the image. JMT.
whathehell
(29,090 posts)Trump IS awful..I just wish they'd show a bit of "balance" and give at least equal time to the candidates who are actually
more popular, and more likely to win the election
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)There is a reason many foreigners despise America...the right wingers shout the loudest and they get covered by talk radio and fox news all the time. The rest of our voices are drowned out. But he admits in his quote that it is the Republican party that represents these people. And he's not wrong. There are good republicans, but they don't speak up.
whathehell
(29,090 posts)3catwoman3
(24,032 posts)...come up with one for Trump - crasshole.
whathehell
(29,090 posts)Duval
(4,280 posts)beac
(9,992 posts)the most embarrassing politician in our country's history?
gregcrawford
(2,382 posts)... of a particularly noisome cesspool. Trump is winning by a hair.
beac
(9,992 posts)sentence about Trump.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,191 posts)While not wrong, I hate that I--as an American--get associated with everything awful that is Donald Trump.
Rider3
(919 posts)BigBearJohn
(11,410 posts)that what you would love was having what I see as a perfect putdown of Donald and his adoring Republucon admirers. Didn't realize I would have to explain my meaning. But since the post got so many recs, I think you got it.
Wounded Bear
(58,698 posts)I would click "like" on something like this to further disseminate it and share with my circle of friends, even though I don't much like the subject matter.
The content is spot on re: Trump. And it sucks that an asshole like him might be the "face" of America around the world.
lame54
(35,317 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)The broad brushing is just uncalled for.
Sure, we have an asshole named Trump in public life. I'm sure NZ has a few assholes, too. Kim Dotcom comes to mind.
And New Zealand isn't a tolerant paradise, either--they've got problems of their own with racism:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11490650
So, speaking of "casual" bigotry, it's rather bigoted of this New Zealander to paint us all with a broad brush just because he doesn't like ONE asshole out of 320 million citizens. In his effort to look down on one guy, he splashes his shit on all of us....
TeamPooka
(24,250 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)TeamPooka
(24,250 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)respected leaders. Obama gets good press around the world, so does Clinton (both of them), and Jimmy Carter, too.
He's ONE asshole who holds no government position--he's simply applying for one, at this stage of the game. He makes a lot of noise, but so do many people. Why give ONE asshole more of a spotlight than he deserves?
TeamPooka
(24,250 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)If you took the trouble to think about what you were reading, and tried to understand the meanings of the words in front of you, you'd probably rethink your post, assuming any thought went into it in the first place.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I have spent most of my life OUTSIDE the USA.
I think my perspective is informed by far more personal international experience than yours, but thanks for attempting to play. It was plainly a struggle, and you acquitted yourself poorly, but you surely tried, I imagine.
The one who didn't think before they posted crafted Post 49 in this thread.
Pat yourself on the back, Snarky! Heckuva job lobbing a lame insult! Bet you felt real cool when you hit that POST button, too!
bvf
(6,604 posts)Did it get easier with practice?
MADem
(135,425 posts)Sure you didn't take a wrong turn on the World Wide Web?
People who hate on immigrants don't usually land up in here...
54. Kept sneaking back in, did you?
Did it get easier with practice?
bvf
(6,604 posts)Read words that aren't there. You've already demonstrated your penchant for that, and there's no reason to expect you to stop now.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I asked a question, and you didn't answer it.
Do clarify, rather than respond with an accusation.
You've demonstrated YOUR penchant for accusation with your post 56.
I'll await a plainspoken explanation of what you meant about your remark upthread.
56. Uh huh. Sure thing, Captain.
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Read words that aren't there. You've already demonstrated your penchant for that, and there's no reason to expect you to stop now.
Touchy, in a "harumph" sort of way, but funny.
Don't ever change, y'hear?
MADem
(135,425 posts)58. You're funny.
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Touchy, in a "harumph" sort of way, but funny.
Don't ever change, y'hear?
bvf
(6,604 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)MADem
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(6,604 posts)Mariana
(14,860 posts)that those qualities only exist in America. Neither did he say that all Americans exhibit these traits. He also never claimed there is no racism or are no assholes in public life in New Zealand. You're imagining things that aren't there.
MADem
(135,425 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)BigBearJohn
(11,410 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Amazeballs!
TeamPooka
(24,250 posts)moondust
(20,002 posts)K/R
zentrum
(9,865 posts)
and half the country. Because let's not forget the internationally embarrassing precursors to himGW and Palin.
Rex
(65,616 posts)I have no doubt they will be mad at that statement and probably cry about it some.
niyad
(113,532 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)That enabled the republicans to mover further right into looney land because they understandably will always feel a need to differentiate themselves from the rest of us because its their nature. Clinton knew this and didnt care.
DFW
(54,436 posts)Now I know the first country to be bombed if Trump is inaugurated.
UCmeNdc
(9,600 posts)The average Joe GOPer sees him as a hero.
What else can you say except the americans are unique.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Mr. Trump thanks you for that beautiful blurb. Just wonderful.
whathehell
(29,090 posts)especially since polls show him losing an election to Hillary AND Bernie.
He only personifies America to those already invested in hating us, the overwhelming majority of whom
have never been here and know only what they see on the teevee.