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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMark my word - Snyder will resign
This Flint disaster is getting way too big for him.
Come on Michigan if it could be we're all French, it can be we're all from Flint.
Proserpina
(2,352 posts)Resignation is not enough.
malaise
(269,212 posts)They should all go to prison - jail is short term.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)I can't believe someone running the city didn't know what was going on. Both must resign and maybe charged.
Proserpina
(2,352 posts)that Snyder appointed. Said manager is now busy demolishing Detroit's public schools...and yes, he belongs in a long-term penitentiary, too.
The mayor had nothing to do with it. The whole city's population were enslaved to the governor's whims. They had no democracy; they were under Occupation.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Reform of governance can't happen without accountability and punishment for betrayal of duties.
postulater
(5,075 posts)And I'm holding you to it.
I hope he asks Scotty Walker to go with him.
n2doc
(47,953 posts)And they kick the R's out in the next election, regardless of how much money DeVos spends on ads .
Proserpina
(2,352 posts)There's no buzz, no awareness....
Trouble with Michigan is it's a bunch of little fortresses, not a unified state. Very provincial in many ways. People who can afford cottages are a little less blinkered, but not much.
Grand Rapids couldn't care less about Flint, Detroit, or Alpena. And vice versa.
There aren't any state-wide programs to build unity and equal interest. Everything is local, and falling apart.
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)the mechanism there for replacement? Would the Lt. Gov. automatically take over?
malaise
(269,212 posts)Don't know enough on the replacement side.
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)outcome you've set up for us. The people of your state deserve a public servant in that officed and not the guy who's in there now.
snpsmom
(687 posts)Siwsan
(26,298 posts)We need to weed out his whole administration because I suspect they are all complicit.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)But I hope you're right.
malaise
(269,212 posts)Americans and poor whites - there are going to be arrests
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2003843!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_635/usa-justice-lynch.jpg
safeinOhio
(32,733 posts)Lets start with half of that to show he has a conscience. $100 million aught to be enough for his kids that don't have a led problem.
hollysmom
(5,946 posts)then they should be moved to live in Flint.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)in Wisconsin with The Snotie. All those ALEC folks are not going let this happen. Koch Brothers have way to much to lose on this one.
malaise
(269,212 posts)It's going to be huge. Don't miss a beat of this one. This specific shit is over.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)but it will be a long drawn out show.
malaise
(269,212 posts)Michael Moore will be on Chris Hayes tomorrow night.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)Bring it big time pal.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Proserpina
(2,352 posts)And not President, either.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Proserpina
(2,352 posts)"No matter how cynical you become, it's never enough to keep up."
She's a Detroiter, so she should know.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)Outside of MI we find this abhorrent. Inside MI I'm not so sure what Snyder's base feels.
babylonsister
(171,102 posts)malaise
(269,212 posts)50+% African-American
safeinOhio
(32,733 posts)Rickies friend Dick DeVos?
malaise
(269,212 posts)Always follow the money - I want to know who's making money off the filters.
demmiblue
(36,900 posts)tularetom
(23,664 posts)They both knew something wrong was going on and instead of taking action to stop it, they organized a conspiracy to cover it up.
Facility Inspector
(615 posts)have a soul.
They are morally and ethically bankrupt. The apotheosis of alienation vis-a-vis cold, calculating, imperial corporatism.
malaise
(269,212 posts)TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)paleotn
(17,989 posts)if you live in a community not wealthy enough to buy politicians, it can also happen to you. We are all from Flint.
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)convicted and sentenced to drink and bathe in lead contaminated water for the rest of his life.
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)what does that meaN?
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)He needs his future generations pay for his crimes.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Jim Beard
(2,535 posts)jhart3333
(332 posts)Leith
(7,813 posts)and Benton Harbor, and Pontiac, and a few others.
Wouldn't it be great if Obama said he would appoint an emergency manager for the state to clean up Snyder's mess?
Proserpina
(2,352 posts)Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder announced Tuesday (March 15, 2013) that the state would appoint an emergency financial manager to Detroit. Beginning Monday, Washington D.C. bankruptcy lawyer Kevyn Orr will begin examining the city's finances in the hopes that in the next 18 months he can make a dent in its massive debts.
Detroit is only the latest city (and Michigan's largest) to come under control of an emergency financial manager.
Other cities have fallen under control of EFMs since PA 72 was introduced in 1990, with the aim of allowing the state to intervene in municipalities and school districts facing financial emergencies. Snyder strengthened the law when PA 4 came into effect in 2011, giving an emergency manager extended powers. State voters repealed PA 4 last year, but another law goes into effect in late March that gives an emergency manager the power to dismiss elected officials, abrogate labor contracts, sell off public assets and impose new taxes on residents.
Detroit will be one of six cities under an EFM, leaving nine percent of the state's population without democratically elected leadership, according to census figures. However, most of the cities are majority African-American. Orr's appointment in Detroit will put 49 percent of the state's African-American population under EFMs. African-Americans make up about 14 percent of Michigan's population.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_emergency_in_Michigan
The financial emergency status, along with the Emergency Financial Manager (EFM) position, was first created in Public Act 101 of 1988 for the specific emergency in Hamtramck. Public Act 101 was amended by Public Act 72 of 1990, allowing an Emergency Financial Manager to be appointed for any local governmental unit. PA 72 in turn was replaced by Public Act 4 of 2011, which renamed the position to Emergency Manager (EM) and gave the Manager additional authority.
When the Referendum petitions were approved by the Michigan State Board of Canvassers on August 8, 2012 under orders from the Michigan Supreme Court, PA 4 was suspended and the previous version, PA 72, was reinstated.[2] All current EM except for Michael Brown in Flint were reappointed as EFM by the Local Emergency Financial Assistance Loan Board. Brown was previously a Flint City employee in the past five years and was not eligible under PA 72 to be an EFM.[3] The Sugar Law Center filed to challenge PA 4 and PA 72. PA 4 was repealed by Michigan voters in the 2012 general election,[4] and the Michigan Legislature subsequently passed Public Act 436 of 2012 to replace the revived Public Act 72.[5]
On May 1, 2013, the City of Ecorse was moved from under an emergency manager to a transition advisory board, which includes the previous emergency manager.[6] On July 2, a school district dissolution provision was passed into law allowing financially struggling school districts to be dissolved.[7] On July 18 with the Governor's authorization, Detroit's manager filed Chapter 9 bankruptcy.[8] In August, a transition advisory board was appointed for the City of Pontiac which included the then emergency manager.[9]
For the City of Detroit, the state legislature passed a separate law forming a financial review commission to exercise financial check on city government as it exited bankruptcy and emergency management.
Dissolved school districts
Buena Vista School District (Michigan), July 30, 2013[24]
Inkster Public Schools, July 25, 2013[26]
List of Emergency Managers
Local Government Term Manager Governor
Allen Park October 2012September 2014 Joyce A. Parker Rick Snyder
Benton Harbor Apr 2010 - Jan 2013 Joseph Harris Jennifer Granholm
Benton Harbor January 2013March 2014 Tony Saunders Rick Snyder
City of Detroit Mar 2013 December 10, 2014 Kevyn Orr Rick Snyder
City of Ecorse Oct 2009 - Apr 2013 Joyce A. Parker Jennifer Granholm
City of Flint Jul 2002 - Jun 2004 Ed Kurtz John Engler
Dec 2011 - Aug 2012 Michael Brown Rick Snyder
Aug 2012 - July 2013 Ed Kurtz Rick Snyder
July 2013 - October 2013 Michael Brown Rick Snyder
October 2013 - January 2015 Darnell Earley Rick Snyder[35]
January 2015April 30, 2015[36] Jerry Ambrose Rick Snyder[37]
Hamtramck City 1988-?
December 2000[38]- Feb 2007 Louis Schimmel John Engler[39]
July 2013 Dec 2014 Cathy Square Rick Snyder [40]
Highland Park Dec 2000 - Mar 2005 Ramona Henderson Pearson John Engler
Mar 2005 - Apr 2009 Arthur Blackwell Jennifer Granholm
Apr 2009 - Jul 2009 Robert Mason Jennifer Granholm
Pontiac Aug 2010 - Oct 2011 Michael Stampfler Jennifer Granholm
Oct 2011 - August 2013 Louis Schimmel Rick Snyder
Three Oaks Village December 2008 - December 2009 Pam Amato Jennifer Granholm
Detroit Public Schools Mar 2009 - May 2011 Robert Bobb Jennifer Granholm
May 2011 January 2015 Roy Roberts Rick Snyder
January 2015 - present Darnell Earley Rick Snyder
Muskegon Heights School District April 2012 - present Donald Weatherspoon Rick Snyder
Highland Park Schools Jan 2012present Jack Martin Rick Snyder
October 2012 - present Donald Weatherspoon Rick Snyder
jhart3333
(332 posts)and poisoned those kids?
Proserpina
(2,352 posts)Everybody wins! Big chance to privatize all that water....when the system goes bankrupt for loss of income.
MoreGOPoop
(417 posts)Got on his mailing list after petitioning him. In his emails you get the
feeling he's pushing his creds in the 'comeback state', as if the koch
roaches might try to run him as the repug candidate, since Walker is
compromised. Speaking of kochs, does anyone know where their
mountain of mercury-containing pet-coke on the Detroit River got
moved to?
Proserpina
(2,352 posts)MoreGOPoop
(417 posts)And, heads up, people of Chicago.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)And to prevent any leaching.
Time will tell, as will the good citizens of Indiana. The prevailing winds blow directly into their state.
malaise
(269,212 posts)Snyder will resign - the Feds are not going to allow him to turn a self made disaster into a major federal disaster.
He's lied his ass off tonight.
Michael Moore on Chris Hayes
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)OUCH! Too much Sarah Palin on the gnus today.
MoreGOPoop
(417 posts)Something tells me it's downwind from wherever the kochs are.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Back to Bernie when this is fixed.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)I changed my avatar in "honor" of Snyder and put my home state in my sig line.
Skittles
(153,212 posts)JAYSUS, he's a bigger piece of shit than my governor
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)I'm sure Slick Rick will find someone, or a few someones, to fall on their swords instead.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)Because that's about the only way any Republican will ever resign for anything.
Being a conservative: You never have to say sorry for anything.
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)was showing Snyder as a Democrat. $&@#ers had a big D next to his name.
malaise
(269,212 posts)Didn't see that.
Michael Moore is brilliant - this is a excellent interview.
Stellar
(5,644 posts)malaise
(269,212 posts)That would be great
Stellar
(5,644 posts)I know the major is going to the Whitehouse tomorrow.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-expected-to-meet-with-flint-michigan-mayor-at-the-white-house/
malaise
(269,212 posts)He can helicopter over as suggested by Michael Moore.
malaise
(269,212 posts)this morning.
tblue37
(65,490 posts)Stellar
(5,644 posts)Of course.
tblue37
(65,490 posts)most thoughtful post into gibberish if you don't watch out. It has certainly happened to me often enough!
Stellar
(5,644 posts)But, I'm sure that might have been a brain fart on my part.
edhopper
(33,638 posts)But if this were Japan he would kill himself.
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)These fuckers are almost impervious to reality.
Gothmog
(145,650 posts)hatrack
(59,593 posts).
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)Stellar
(5,644 posts)He should be kicked out of office first, brought up on charges and then throw his monkey ass in jail for a 100 years and a day.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)One of the first things the Governor does is change where Flint gets it drinking water. Yesterday he takes blame and in the next breath points his finger at national and local government. He needs to be impeached and removed from office. He should face a prison sentence for this, but like most Republicans will get away without taking any personal responsibility!
bermudat
(1,329 posts)That takes the ability to feel shame, which requires a soul.