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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAnd they finally outed that scammer OmahaSteve (part 2)
for disability fraud with his false dementia claims, because he is still able to do things like make forum posts. Whoever created that site might have a legitimate disability claim, I would vouch for them, provided the authorities take away their internet privileges.
It seems I have dementia and still have a better mind than this POS!
I retired. My pension amount took a hit because I was 57. I needed to get to 60 Had planned on 62.
The disability requests are further up the page: http://hr.cityofomaha.org/images/stories/public_documents/retirement/Civilian/2014/12-2014%20Minutes.pdf
OS
http://www.theaftd.org/life-with-ftd/managing_symptoms/driving-privileges
DRIVING PRIVILEGES
Getting your loved one to give up the car keys can be one of the most difficult things a caregiver must do. For many people, driving has been a powerful symbol of independence from the time they were teenagers and got their first license. It can be very distressing when limiting that independence becomes necessary.
Receiving a diagnosis of frontotemporal degeneration need not mean an immediate end to driving. In time however, everyone with FTD or any other degenerative neurological disorder, will become unable to drive. The characteristic behavioral changes associated with FTD can increase risk, and highlight the importance of caregivers getting involved early. People have reduced judgment and are typically unaware of the changes they are experiencing.
A study conducted in 2007 by a team of researchers at the National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke (NINDS) evaluated the driving competency of FTD patients and healthy controls in a driving simulation task. The FTD patients received more speeding tickets, ran more stop signs, were involved in more accidents, and had a significantly higher average speed than the controls (de Simonea, L. Kaplana, N. Patronasb, E.M. Wassermanna, J. Grafmana 2007).
Caregivers share in the responsibility for the safety of the person diagnosed and that of others who may be at risk if the person continues to drive when no longer safe. Caregivers need to excercise their own judgment, as well as heed the advice of their physician, when it comes to taking away the keys.
ladyVet
(1,587 posts)Stop giving these people the satisfaction of knowing they've hurt you. Who cares what ignorant people on the internet say? Ignore them and be happy, dude.
Ignore & be happy Steve. Good advice!!!!
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Far better than any that would disparage him.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)and I agree with you 100%
"It seems I have dementia and still have a better mind than this POS! "
cui bono
(19,926 posts)marble falls
(57,150 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)What exactly are you supposedly 'scamming'?
Honestly, I would take down the info above. You don't need to be putting so much of your personal info up for the assholes of the world to see.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)to put 2 and 2 together.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)Avatar used to mock BMUS ... surprise, it ended up over there, too! There are several other tells, though so you can pretty much figure out who is who.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)That site is a cesspool, and any DUer associated with it should be fucking ashamed.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Obviously if you are going to trot out such racism, antisemitism and ignorance on display for all to see, you probably don't have one.
What tickles me is they have the nerve to pretend to be outraged over here that they are called out as being associated with it, denying it, etc., then they leave their tells all over the place.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)rainbow pantsuited Scout troop, in action, freely expressing themselves.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)But I keep several spares around most of the time since I'm accident prone..
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)Glad you added this, I'd posted a link to it earlier here but maybe nobody clicked on it. There has been one person here who's ever used that avatar she altered. The only time that alteration was mentioned was by me, I don't think anyone else even noticed (but her pals, who probably laughed their asses off at it). She stopped using it here just a little while ago. Hmmmm ......... I wonder why?
So damned obvious.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7531768
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I just sort of collated the evidence so that all could see the direct connection .
polly7
(20,582 posts)Last edited Sat Jan 16, 2016, 05:15 PM - Edit history (1)
That they have a site mocking a great DU'er now gone, and someone here for a disability turns my stomach, among all the other really vile things said there.
These people have no shame, no empathy, no decency, imo. From reading for years here, and recently on their hate sites, they're all for the status quo - it's no wonder they hate Bernie Sanders and his supporters to the extent they do. Desperation, and .......... edit: "Stupidity knows no bounds".
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)from here. I always knew the cavers were here. We all knew, same MO, same sick obsessions. I feel sorry for them more than anything. Imagine spending your life obsessing over people you hate because they have different opinions, it's hard to imagine. No lives I guess, and accomplishing nothing. Are these Hillary supporters btw?
polly7
(20,582 posts)Not a great way to advance her ideals or campaign, but I guess when hate overtakes that goal ...... sick sites like that are what gives you the most fulfillment. Notice how happy they are when one of their favourite targets is brought up - it's like a pack of hyenas racing towards their next meal. Really strange to watch, actually.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Excellent detective work, Aerows!
Between that and the owner promoting the site at DI it's pretty obvious who's behind it.
The racist and anti-Semitic profile pictures speak volumes about the posters too.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I'm, just for fun, waiting to see who ELSE is going to come into the thread to "defend their honor" because I am going to laugh my ass off.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)People don't forget overt bigotry and hatred like that.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I just put it in a visual format so that it was obvious. Don't worry, though, I've got some other stuff
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Uppity women seem to be their favourite targets.
Things that make you go hmmmm...
polly7
(20,582 posts)Last edited Sat Jan 16, 2016, 01:55 PM - Edit history (1)
Just as you had your own public thread on the first site. Obsession ........... it's sad.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Just like when the bigots at the conservative cave focus on you - it means you're doing something right.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)to figure out.
I always thought a lot of them were right wing men to be honest.
Trolls in their natural habitat, though I have no intention of going there, it's good to know they've finally revealed themselves to everyone.
polly7
(20,582 posts)I think some are men, but most are those who've finally found an unfiltered outlet for that hate they couldn't say here for fear of being banned.
Trolls though ........... absofu*inglutely.
polly7
(20,582 posts)avatar in my profile. Which is why I knew of the only person to ever have used that altered bmus avatar. Kind of silent lately though, eh?
Too busy doing other things, I guess.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)the internet? Hillaryious!
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Thanks for letting us know, Aerows.
Holy cow. .
Aerows
(39,961 posts)This is just one more place for them to let their hair down and let their inner bigot out.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Another rancid, cobwebbed corner of the internet to sever the lost and depraved, wallowing in their hatred. Don't we have two of them already, or is this one of the two existing, or another one?
It's depressing to think that anyone would spend valuable time doing this. Not even ORIGINAL. The Cave was at least original. Imagine being so low you have to emulate the lowest?
Steve, it is a compliment if THAT'S where it came from.
Sick, very sick people.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)and that includes in real life. Don't ask me about laying cables .
This job needed to be done because too many things were being compromised and it needed to be noticed.
I could probably use a hug, though.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)don't!
Thanks for having the fortitude and stamina to endure the bile you must have seen there.
I still think a lot of those 'women' are Right Wiing men trying to discredit the women's movement. Always did to be honest.
SnohoDem
(1,036 posts)Thanks for this.
it behooves us all to know who is among us, spreading crap.
TheBlackAdder
(28,211 posts).
I took a visit to that site last night, out of curiosity as a Democrat and neutral Primary Candidate Poli-Sci continuing ed student.
That site shows a level of meanness that I haven't seen since visiting Ace of Spades and other RW places.
It must be a real badge of honor for someone to participate on that site--in some people's minds.
What a bunch of cruel and vile f*cks. Nothing more is needed to be said.
#Represent
PS. I guess I'll get added on there too. That's what the simpleton bullies over there would probably do.
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laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)I didn't quite find it as shocking as you did though, having been on various message board communities that have imploded over the years I've seen some pretty vile behavior...however I did have a giggle at the cognitive dissonance it must've taken for them to write their 'about us' page - claiming to be Democrats while employing every single vile right wing tactic known to man takes some serious mental gymnastics, that's for sure.
"We are not disgusting horrible right wing people like you say! We cannot BELIEVE you would say such things! Now...we will make fun of you for saying such things by acting exactly how disgusting horrible right wing people would act...."
Aerows
(39,961 posts)telling me "I was not involved"; evidence got posted.
Then it was "that wasn't so bad". Another post providing evidence.
Then said person finally made a post that got hidden for personal attacks (I didn't alert on it, by this point the personal attack just validated what the evidence had been revealing).
More evidence posted, and I was treated to the grand finale of "I'm finished with you, you are crazy!"
It just tickles the hell out of me. I hope more of them drop by.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)that probably everybody in this thread will get their chance in the spotlight. I truly consider it an opportunity for all of us.
Pick on us, you are leaving somebody else alone. We can take it, and we, as we have all illustrated in this thread, are not afraid to hand it right back.
It keeps you in shape
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)I mean I cant believe I havent pissed one of them off. I piss everyone off. Im kinda insulted to be honest.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)They are mean... truly, and they do not realize why they are now the sort of a few laughs
PADemD
(4,482 posts)It's what matters the most. Don't overlook that.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)But should you be posting people's private financial info here?
Autumn
(45,120 posts)Omaha Steve
(99,691 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)Just have to click on forums or today's posts.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,335 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)and added a few new ones. They seem to know what goes on in the host forum and MIRT so that tells you a lot right there. Going after Steve like they did is disgraceful. I'm surprised the locking host didn't give Steve a chance to delete the call out post in his other OP. he said he asked upthread. Most hosts have always done that in the past. But he's getting it out of his system with this one.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,335 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)are people that were on that HCS site where they were dumb enough to use their DU screen names and then make openly homophobic, antisemitic and racist posts. Then they had their little chat about how to effectively alert stalk people. People caught on, and they promptly locked down that site.
It's hardly a surprise to see that type of knowledge flow right over to this newly constructed site, and with all of the derision that they employed against Bernie Sanders supporters on DU to flow over there.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)KMOD
(7,906 posts)and I'm very tired of this.
There are no homophobic, anti-Semitic or racist posts on HRC. We have a wonderful group there. Our diversity is quite apparent, yet we all get along, and we all hope, and long for the similar ideals.
DU is where you can find those types of divisive, homophobic, anti-Semitic and racist posts, every single day. Stockholm syndrome, anyone?
Aerows
(39,961 posts)The fact that some people on HCS discussed the fact that Bernie might not be loyal to the United States because he's Jewish? Because I can pull that post right up.
It's also in the DU TOS that implying that Jewish citizens are not loyal to the United States is a very swift (and should be) ban.
Would you like for me to pull up the posts where they were alert stalking people and bragging about it? Out there in public record.
What you guys did over there at HCS was make a fatal mistake - most of you (including you) used your DU screen names. At least you aren't being complete dolts on the other site.
And hey, props for Aerowsmyth That kicks ass!
the first post you are referring to was discussing a post in the religious forums, right here, on DU. It was a take-off on that.
As to your second point, there are many people who laugh and celebrate when I get time-outs, too. DU loves that kind of stuff.
As to your third point, I use my screen name everywhere I go. I'm not hiding anything. I am, who I am.
You post your link to the discussion on the Religion forum, and I'll post mine, along with the TOS of DU.
Here is mine proof. Show me yours.
First the thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/128054711
Now the specific screenshots from said site:
Alert Stalking:
Interesting things said by you:
Anti-semitic post:
Now, link away to your alleged "conversation" on DU.
it originated from this post
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1134113241
and again, as far as celebrating poster getting hides, well, hell, I get that all the time here too.
and as far as the interesting things said by me, lol, that you've screened, I was right. We've seen the words "whore" "c*nt" and bitch. What's your point?
Aerows
(39,961 posts)in that conversation. I also don't see anyone insinuating that Bernie Sanders is less than loyal to the United States in that thread, either, which in the post from HCS clearly does.
It flies there, but it is absolutely against the TOS on DU because it is classic antisemitism.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)In spite of what some of you believe, I am still an immigrant from Mexico, making me a minority, PoC
I am also Jewish.
The former discussion as to whether I qualified or not did not happen on DU. But at that poss of a site that Willuam created.
At least own the crap
Aerows
(39,961 posts)They have an avatar linked to riderinthe(shit)storm that resembles rachel dulizar (sp?) the woman that was white and have a whole thread discussing whether or not riderinthestorm is black enough to qualify as a black person.
What in the hell kind of shit is that?
And I saw that, too, nadin. I'm fairly certain that the lot of them don't have sense enough to get out of a good shower of rain.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Oh wait, that is my job to chase floods.
These people are racist poss and that is what they are.
(And if this goes to a jury, fuck it... A hide to call them what they are is damn worth it. That is racist, antisemites, the lot of them)
polly7
(20,582 posts)You had a two page thread all about you - not brown enough, nadin!
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Aerows
(39,961 posts)riderinthestorm over there as not being brown enough, too.
Take a good look at those names, and see if you would want to be known as an associate of those folks. I wouldn't. Were I to see that shit going on, I would immediately quit and I would be the first one shrieking from the rafters that I was not and would not be involved in such crap.
Oh, and look who was first in the thread to "defend her honor".
And said individual wonders why we are laughing our asses off at their attempts to deflect and claim "I was not involved".
No, you just started a two page thread questioning whether someone that is a Jewish Mexican is brown enough for your standards.
That isn't shameful *AT ALL*
Next one up to defend their honor? Do come forth!
polly7
(20,582 posts)also, the horrible slams against Catherina as a black woman. I couldn't be around that pack bully mentality either, it would drive me nuts. But it's been going on for a long, long time with the same members, so they're probably just comfortable with it. That it's hurtful and pathetic might not even register anymore ... if it ever did.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I am shocked I tell you, SHOCKED
that crew will miss that
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)them not to pm me to put their crap on the forum where everyone could see it. I hate sneaks, thinking they can avoid a hide, while still getting their bigoted, nasty garbage into a PM.
Wow, totally revealing and proves how right most people here about that nasty little clique, running around flinging racist charges at everyone.
It never fails, projection. Those pointing the fingers are generally just talking about themselves. They are classic trolls, and why any of them is still here, is probably why so many decent people are not.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Easy to be "brave" surrounded by sycophantic cowards...
SMH...
Just an aside, I've posted at DKos for @ 5 years now. While the primary toxicity is equally intense there, nobody has ever split off to create a hate site mocking/denigrating/slandering other Kossacks. DKos has a much larger population as well.
Things that make you go hmmmm.
Hat tip to my fellow DUer/Kossack for the heads up on this DU thread (hug!) I won't give the jackasses the clicks but thought I'd stand in solidarity with the rest of the DUers getting maligned over there with their bullshit.
Hang in there everyone. Gonna be an even bumpier ride
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)We expect a news story out of this crap sooner or later. And when I say we, I mean several reporters. We have been exchanging notes on these dumps, and it is not just these two mind you. Most are not DU obsessed though, just Sanders obsessed and not in a primary healthy way.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)is that it has been rebuked hard, but allowed to continue due to faults in the jury system and tacit approval due to DU leaning toward Hillary Clinton support, that it emboldened the individuals participating in it to the point that they felt they could do no wrong.
They got push back when the self-same jury system began to affect them, and when too many excellent arguments were made to counter their dialogue, it angered them to the point where they had to go be childish and nasty elsewhere. After all, one of them was a member of the conservative cave for a time. Containing such vitriol I am sure is an all day job.
Nonetheless, it has reached a head. The shock and surprise expressed by those who were, in fact, joining right in with it is funny. The *who, me? blink blink* is hilarious. You don't keep company with folks like that, you don't swim in the sewer and take delicious pleasure from it, without knowing exactly what you are doing and coating yourself in.
Easy lesson to learn: You are known by the company you keep. If you stand right along with them while crimes are being committed, and try to help cover up crimes committed by those peers, you are one of them, too.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I am indeed melanin challenged. But I open my mouth and damn it is dang obvious
polly7
(20,582 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)these BRAZEN stalking bigots are allowed to post here?
WTF?
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Response to KMOD (Reply #55)
rbrnmw This message was self-deleted by its author.
merrily
(45,251 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)let me go over there.
http://hillaryclintonsupporters.com/forum/index.php
Still there, not that I have too much interest in wading into that crap. The other is not just mocking DU'ers, but also mocking a now dead Du'er.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)of Jackpine Radical who was a fine DUer that we lost.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)running their moderating system here? Disgusting, and they probably got a lot of good people banned from this site. If this is true, this site needs to redeem itself and restore the posting privileges of anyone who was banned as a result of any encounters with these poseurs, trolls, bigots or all of the above.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)They don't like it very much when they are found out and get called on it.
There is another one out there, too, but I'm going to continue observing it until I get the really juicy screenshots. I already have a few to throw out there. Once again, they weren't smart enough, either, to use a moniker other than their DU names.
sitting in a tree,
monitoring the internet with your ESP.
Aren't people tired of your drama yet?
Shocker, there are sites that support Hillary Clinton.
I know that drives you crazy, but hey, the internet is a big place. Deal with it.
polly7
(20,582 posts)KMOD
(7,906 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)And look at THAT avatar. Is that not tinged with racism? The antisemitic one was pretty bad, too.
Used for Manny Goldstein.
Any questions, thoughts?
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,335 posts)That's two antisemitic sites these guys are running against Bernie Sanders. There seems to be a trend.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Would you ever in your wildest dreams create a site and use avatars designed to make fun of African Americans and Jews?
Those look like things dredged up from hate sites.
polly7
(20,582 posts)And the post accusing OS of the vile things they did is gone also.
Someone a little afraid??
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)that was captured before they tried to disinfect. It truly cannot be erased. It is what the are. No one could do that unless it was what they are. But we knew that for quite a while, didn't we? It's nice of them to oblige with evidence. No more to assume what and who they are.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)hell, perhaps we should all clue them in to the real anti-Semitic tripe, next I know Bernie will be tied to the banks, (Rotchild), and of course is an elder in the protocols.
Sadly, I am sort of deriding them, but I expect them to use this.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)They're not even trying to be subtle.
And someone was advertising this as funny at DI?
Aerows
(39,961 posts)However I do say this - they are right wing and acknowledge it. They don't pretend to be a Democrat.
I'd far rather know who I'm dealing with than people that say one thing to one group and something else to another (Oh, that's also why I don't support Hillary, what a coincidence).
Autumn
(45,120 posts)tells the whole ugly, racist, anti Semitic ,bigoted story. As for my thoughts? Those would get me in trouble. That is what they call working for their candidate? I welcome their hatred for Bernie, I relish it and hold it sacred.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)ones running around here accusing everyone else of exactly what THEY are! It never fails. I am so glad to see them finally thoroughly exposed as what most DUers always knew they were. Bigots.
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)Makes DU suck.
Everything I read tonight hurts. I don't see how all this vitriol wins hearts and minds. Every dishonest tactic makes me sick. Thanks Aerows for shining the light into the cockroach den.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)And with the attitude that one has... I can't believe I've lost even more respect for her. Didn't think there was any left.
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Aerows
(39,961 posts)haikugal
(6,476 posts)What a bunch of ugly, mentally challenged blowhards! That isn't something to crow about!
blackspade
(10,056 posts)PM me if you want...
StandingInLeftField
(972 posts)Pathetic attempt at sophomoric satire. Not clever, not funny, just sad...
Autumn
(45,120 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)I don't pay attention to all these fringe sites that everyone likes to dredge in here to argue about.
However, I still think OS should not be posting the financial information of other people in his county/city. That's effed up.
kiva
(4,373 posts)your salary and other compensation are always available to the public...transparency.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)This is open information and freely available it is called open government.
We rely on our local version, brown act, often.
Though in CA some personnel matters are kept off. Retirement and amounts of retirement pay are not considered privileged info
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Last edited Sat Jan 16, 2016, 06:19 PM - Edit history (1)
There are a slew of little sites out there. Care to guess where the BO birther crap started? Nope, not with Mr. Trump.
It started at a site like that one. In fact, it was stated by a HRC supporter in 2008, a close one, and a family friend. You heard of Sydney Blumenthal I am sure. I would not want hm in my state department either if I were POTUS.
http://www.politico.com/story/2011/04/birtherism-where-it-all-began-053563
So many reporters are keeping an eye on these sewers waiting for the (we already got them, ah screen caps are just ducky) antisemitic attacks for when they are deployed by the campaign. We kind of expect it at this point.
Something about history if you get me drift.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Fuck, what a cesspool.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)I put up some interesting screen shots for perusal. Note the racist undertones, too.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Who apparently can't capitalize 'Democrats.'
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)"we are a group of devout democrats." Alas they did not provide me with that final confirmation. Or the copy editor caught it in time. Though this is somewhat of a freudian slip too.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Ceiling Cat would likely say "Forgiz the laks of spellz, they haz no cheeseburger and no sole. Um, sole."
That was a joke, my dear HissySpit ( I don't want anyone to think I am being ugly, I was playing off your ceiling cat avatar), and they have demonstrated widely that lack of spelling is the least of their worries.
gregcrawford
(2,382 posts)... but it sounds like you're being attacked by someone who's just looking to make trouble for you to get attention for himself. It's sickening that such repulsive sociopaths manage to slither into positions where they can inflict their malice. People like that defile every principle of common human decency. They not only don't care who they hurt in their craving for self-aggrandizement and dominion over the lives of others, they savor the pain they cause.
I've encountered such people before, and it is not a pleasant experience. It is not possible to rehabilitate a sociopath; they lack the mental faculties to admit wrongdoing. But a sociopath has a well-developed sense of self-preservation. Perhaps this POS needs a little of his own medicine.
My father suffered from dementia, and, in my 69th year, I am beginning to suspect the early effects of it as well, so I am more than sympathetic to your plight.
Omaha Steve
(99,691 posts)I have since apologized to the DUer I misunderstood in public and private: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027530204
IF it gets unlocked I will remove the META material.
OS
Autumn
(45,120 posts)they should do that. They have done it for others.
kath
(10,565 posts)Unlock the thread.
People should be able to see it - sunlight is a good disinfectant. also, it had a lot of Recs.
love ya Steve!
Autumn
(45,120 posts)I guess some people don't like sunlight.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)such which is why most of them were on the ignore lists of a majority of people here. How they managed to remain on a site like this, no matter how many time outs they had, is a mystery to most DUers.
kath
(10,565 posts)I mean, what the holy fuck???
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.
Animal Farm
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Disrupters should not be allowed to disrupt, you would think!
Quantess
(27,630 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)Theirs is a legacy of lies and hate.
Further, they are just evil little wombats. Don't sweat 'em, and don't feed them. Have you ever seen Gremlins?
Nuff said.
Rock on dude
haikugal
(6,476 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)You are cute and not at all evil, and just in case y'all were about to take over the world, let me be clear...
Spare me and my family, and we will bring you delicious snacks.
polly7
(20,582 posts)Last edited Fri Jan 15, 2016, 12:40 PM - Edit history (1)
Just like before ...... irrational, ugly, and pathetic beyond words.
http://www.discussionist.com/?com=view_post&forum=1015&pid=695399
kath
(10,565 posts)And here is Part 1 about them attacking our dear Omaha Steve: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027530204
lovely group of people.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)they have served in there and they quoted Skinner in MIRT. IMO that shoots down any idea that the site was created by the cavers.
http://jackassradicals.com/forum/general-discussion/284-ok-so-where-is-the-host-hangout
Aerows
(39,961 posts)last term. The same people that were discussing effective alert stalking of Bernie Sanders supporters on DU. Bragging about it.
These were people on MIRT, and they made the handful of Bernie Supporters who were also volunteering their time to help keep DU civil a damn nightmare. They actually made me cry one night it got so vicious.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)I'm still on MIRT, but I don't think anyone notices anymore that I refuse to participate. I'm not going to stand shoulder to shoulder with people whose only goal is to drag DU and its members through the gutter for sport just because I support Bernie and they support Hillary.
There is no need for that group to pretend they weren't involved, didn't post the antisemitic posts they made question Bernie's loyalty to the United State, homophobic posts, and other examples of bigotry. They needn't pretend they didn't take a vicious glee in getting Bernie supporters alert stalked into a time out.
It has been posted enough that we all know who did it, who said it, who was responsible for setting up the site, and the same thing is going on at the new site.
I don't give a crap what they say about me - at least they are giving somebody else a rest and besides, it's probably nothing I haven't heard before.
I did get pissed off when they slandered Omaha Steve as a fraudulent disability recipient when the man has done nothing but positive things for DU and has a terminal illness.
If you can go that low and laugh about it, you are fucked in the head.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)is that they should be ignored en masse. Little kids do not get attention when they throw tantrums.
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Victor_c3
(3,557 posts)Although it isn't dementia, I have recently retired at the age of 35 for a severe psychiatric disability. People see you on the outside as being alright and functional, but they don't see you when you are doing bad or when your issues inhibit your activities.
Mental conditions are hard because people who don't suffer from them have no idea how they impact every aspect of a person's life. Actually, I don't even fully get just how much my psychiatric condition impacts every aspect of my life. I can't even fully explain it to someone.
Losing your identity and your ability to work does a lot of damage to a person's self esteem. I used to work as a chemist for the federal government for a number of years. It was a job that I was proud of and my wife and kids were proud of too. You get a certain level of instant clout when you can tell someone that you're a scientist. When people ask your kids what their dad does for a living they can proudly say that he is a scientist. The same with my wife. Now, I'm just disabled. So when people ask what I do now I either lie to them or tell them I don't work because I'm disabled. Physically I'm in great condition. I look young for my age and I'm in great shape. So, when I tell people I'm too disabled to work they think I'm scamming the system. That goes from everyone from random strangers to family members - including my own spouse at times.
It's a touchy subject and I get it. It's hard to not care what others think about you. We are, after all, social animals.
Its a struggle. Do your best to surround yourself with other people in your similar situation. I go to the VA hospital almost daily for either appointments or just to hang out with other veterans who are going through what I'm going through. It helps a lot to have people around you who get it. I don't know if there is anything like that available for you or for civilians, but it can make all the difference in a person's life.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)No one believes Will and his PUMA crew Steve, try not to take it to heart.
Response to Dragonfli (Reply #16)
rbrnmw This message was self-deleted by its author.
Bill has one site
http://hillaryclintonsupporters.com/
It's an awesome site, and it's where I choose to post now because of crap like this.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)The registration of that other site is not the same as that of hillaryclintonsupporters.com.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/110734060#post1
Autumn
(45,120 posts)know who built it and who it belongs to.
I'm am tired of Bill getting piled on for starting a site supportive of Hillary Clinton.
Response to KMOD (Reply #31)
Corruption Inc This message was self-deleted by its author.
KMOD
(7,906 posts)Bill is my friend. I'm very grateful that he created a website where I, and others, can support Hillary Clinton.
and now so does everybody else!
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I won't go there, but I can't understand that kind of crap directed toward anyone.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Bernie and Bernie supporters. It's been posted about a lot, screenshots for everyone to see. Let's not pretend that's not why the site was started. It only morphed into talking about issues when it was shown that the "Issues" forum was not opened a whole month after all the little hate forums were full of posts.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=647936
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You joined before 'Bill', and these are just a few of the screenshots that completely destroy the myth stated here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/110734060
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Oh yeah, it really is awesome !!!
Aerows
(39,961 posts)It makes me laugh that they come over here and "defend their honor" and then leave direct evidence as to who they are all over the place.
Please come defend your honor. Please!
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)with so much hate?
Saw enough, back to the real world where most people are decent but it's good to have this to show anyone who doubts the sheer hateful garbage being spewed on Hillary's behalf.
A lot of projection in those posts. And it's all under Hillary's banner.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Childish, passive-aggressive time-wasting beneath DU's notice, I would hope.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)But I would say that getting all that hatred out must be very rejuvenating.
malaise
(269,157 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)me want to draw my curtains and be careful to park away from other cars, and I'm not even one of their targets. What else might some of them do, singly or as part of group hostility, to feed this obsession?
Unfortunately, I think Omaha Steve really needs to document all threads and posts about him, and perhaps his friends too for him, in case someone takes this on-line stalking off line or in some other way ramps up the aggression. Federal cyberstalking laws are in place, and more states are passing civil and criminal cyberstalking and cyberharrassment laws every year -- and beefing up the ones they have.
hedgehog
(36,286 posts)tempted to look. There are mean people out there who use the Internet to bully others without risk.
Your friends here know your situation. The others don't matter.
Cerridwen
(13,260 posts)An interesting coincidence I noticed at DU's brother site, discussionist.
The site currently in contention, is being promoted at discussionist as a parody of DU site. The poster promoting it goes by the moniker gr8daze.
Being the curious little pain in the ass I am, I googled around a bit and found an interesting email address using the same moniker.
The coincidence is that the email address (gr8daze@<domain name> was attached to a domain registration in 2011, as the contact email address, for DUISNOTFORREALDEMOCRATS.COM registered under the auspices of People for Free Democracy in Washington State.
The poster of the same name denies ownership of this latest "parody of DU" site in a thread up at discussionist.
The same moniker also shows up at reddit with a few posts attacking Bernie Sanders.
Just coincidences. And innuendo. But I found it interesting.
I won't include links here as the information is available on the internet via the various Who Is services for domain registration services.
Oh, and a quick read of the "about us" page at said site currently in contention, reads like the whinings of a petulant 12-year-old after his mother grounded him for not doing his chores.
It's all sitting right out there, but somehow they think that everyone on DU that supports Bernie Sanders is an idiot.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and I am not going to endorse anybody, well except big money.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)that should put all of this "We don't know who is running it, and it can't be DUers" to bed.
Cerridwen
(13,260 posts)Evidence of what? Use of an avatar? Uh....
Here's the one I used to use:
(currently used by niyad who isn't me)
My apologies. All I see you providing evidence for, is that someone who wants to stir up shit knows how to copy/paste/link to an online image and that the image is ~on this site~ associated with the DUer known as Aerows, beam me up scottie, and/or Cerridwen (or niyad).
Yeah, because someone wanting to create dissent on DU would not stoop to "identifying" themselves as a poster from DU.
As a matter of fact, someone else here is currently using the same avatar as I currently use. They're just part of the "stock" avatars available on this board. As you can see by my use of bmus', it's also possible to grab an image from elsewhere and post here.
Hell, for that matter, since I have no trademark/copyright on my username, I'm pretty sure you can find posters using the same name around the internet. They're not me, btw, unless of course it's an old one from the 90s in which case it might be me; but, please ask me to confirm. But, nowadays, I use Cerridwen only here on DU. I could however, were I the type, pop on over to any website and use "Aerows," "beam me up scottie," "niyad," or pretty much any name that isn't already in use on that site.
Seriously. Use of an avatar (or a username) means...well, not much. It does however help catapult rumor and innuendo; something I made a point of noting in my own original post in this thread.
I can't tell who did this shit; not for certain. Neither can most anyone else here on DU, over at discussionist, or hell, even conservative cave and other anti-Democrat sites - without actual proof; receipt for domain registration, an on-line admission with verifiable proof that the poster is who they say they are, etc.
Everything else, including my own original reply in this thread, is nothing more than supposition.
I'm starting to regret that I bothered since it's apparently going to be used to create yet more innuendo against people on this board.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I'm stating it flat out.
That is a very specific avatar that is used to mock BMUS. It's well known that Bains has issues with BMUS. Funny it has never showed up anywhere else (and since you understand whois, you can verify that it is only showing up in places where DUers congregate - if by chance you do not know how, I can help you).
For that to suddenly show up at a site that parodies DU members, specifically Bernie Sanders supporters to a degree that someone who is an outsider would probably not grasp, not to mention some other evidence that is laying around, their knowledge of MIRT, and clear knowledge of the hosting process...
If you consider all of that, not to mention everything that went on with the HCS site and another site hosted by a DUer that they also were idiotic enough to use their DU names on... If you consider all of that coincidence?
To paraphrase:
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is deliberate
Sorry, my friend. I absolutely do not buy that this is a site created by anyone other than the specific subset of DUers that have already been implicated, and the others that also will be.
I don't like mean people, either. I am unphased by attacks directed at me, because I don't give a shit. When they start aiming at the memory of Jackpine Radical, people like Omaha Steve who has contributed so much to our site and California Peggy who has never said a cross word to anyone on DU, I do give a shit.
Sunlight is the best disinfectant, and a site that uses avatars specifically to mock African Americans and Jews is a site that really needs some sunlight.
Take that as you will.
polly7
(20,582 posts)There is no-one who hates certain DU'ers here to that extent and has as much knowledge of them as one group. To think that anyone else would spend that much time and have so much detailed information on them isn't realistic. The Cave already has its own 'Dumpster' site where this sort of thing goes on all the time, why create another? People on Discussionist don't really even give a shit about posters here - they're quite happy having each other to do whatever with, and right out in the open. The fact that the vile post re Steve's disability was removed after such outrage here and now that a certain anti-Semitic avatar has been changed says a lot. Right-wingers with no association to this site wouldn't give a crap about doing that.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,335 posts)Not that I give a shit that I've been included but my inclusion pretty much guarantees it's one or more of a handful chronic whiners who have a case of raw ass over hosting issues.
I keep a fairly low profile and don't get involved in the candidate bash wars. So anyone who has a problem with me is going to pretty much be a member.
I'm flattered
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Like you, it's pretty much not going to be anyone other than folks from here unless I really pissed off someone, somewhere five years ago during a World of Warcraft raid (I haven't played it in that long).
If they have carried a grudge for that long, hell, curse me to your hearts content, because you deserve it! LOL.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Good work, Cerridwen.
Cerridwen
(13,260 posts)I don't like mean people and I find those who think tearing down others in order to make themselves or "their team" look "better/stronger/more worthy" to be juvenile and bullies. (Definition #3 of juvenile). Regardless of who you support, attacking others for that support makes us no better than bullies on a playground - in ~my~ opinion (ymmv).
It's why I stayed away from the DU primaries before and do so as much as is possible now. I despise repubs/rwers/their useful idiots/etc., and I'm not about to come onto a public message board and help them tear down the left. They have a well funded and long established Whirlitzer of their own and they don't need my help.
Attacking another person in the name of any candidate is what I expect from r/w abusers, liars, and bullies. That people seem to forget the internet has tons of those types of liars, bullies, and shit-stirrers who enjoy trolling message boards for the sole purpose of watching each "side" tear each other apart, always confuses the hell out of me. How the hell do you post on the internet for any length of time and not recognize that trolls and trouble-makers exist?
Okay. Sorry. I needed to vent. Thanks for providing the impetus for me to lance the boil - so to speak.
(edited to add: That does not mean, however, that I will not be mean back if lied to (or about) or attacked. If someone is physically or virtually "punching me in the face" I will not "turn the other cheek." It's not a perfect response and these past months I've taken to just "walking away."
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I was floored by the sheer volume and by their dedication. It's quite eye opening to say the least.
No problem, venting is healthy!
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I expect that crap from bullies. There is no need for them to be RW. In fact, that behavior is party free.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)now to add that to my cross reference
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)and confirms my suspicion that person as well as a few others are DU's actual malicious intruders. Somehow they made it past MIRT and have BECOME MIRT. They are now in a position to decide who gets to stay and who has to go when a newbie first signs up. That's a tremendous amount of power entrusted by the owners. I take that responsibility seriously and have been very mindful of not allowing biases to control my decisions when agreeing to ban someone.
Unfortunately, on a few occasions, I've seen a handful of people (the same ones every time) swarm a newly signed-up Bernie supporter, and they all agree with each other and say that person is a troll. Several others have disagreed and were able to stop the, shall we say, process.
One wrote on JackassRadical:
Written by a Jackass member
Another Jackass wrote:
Those two comments tell you all you need to know about what is happening here. They describe exactly what I'm seeing in MIRT and am actually stunned that the owners don't do something about this and restore a little dignity and respect to the place. They're letting these people destroy what was once a great place to come, and I'm sure driving people away in droves. They're drunk with the power given to them, and running roughshod over long time, decent members. How on earth can that be good for business? It's foolish to think members will just hang around and take that kind of abuse.
When they go there and begin to mock dead DU'ers and mock disabled DU'ers, it's past time to fucking do something.
OmahaSteve, I can't express how very sorry I was to see you mocked by these people. My father is also suffering from dementia, and for one to berate someone with ANY disease, has to be completely deranged. And California Peggy, one of the sweetest ladies on the entire internet and someone I consider a dear friend, doesn't deserve this kind of ridicule. It's getting embarrassing to be a member of this dank place.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)not the DNC, the DLC... and they are tied to the hip to the HRC campaign... that explains some of it. Though there is life after the 2016 campaign, but at times I wonder if the owners even will continue iwht DU. DI was third way triangulation and has failed miserably, since that is oh so 1990s.
And yes, those posters, they are not in the league of a Karl Rove, but hell they are trying.
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)and have watched the schism grow over the past ten years within the party. I guess we're about to find out which direction it will take.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)You had better not ban someone that is a likely Hillary Clinton supporter, or you will get called every name in the book, even if that poster is plainly trolling. I had one complain - quite vociferously and insultingly - that banning someone when "Everyone is asleep" didn't give them adequate time to put their two cents in.
Oh. I was unaware that there are only 4 time zones in the world, and that we don't have anybody in the other 20.
Such stupidity as that is but an example.
Hey, I've done my best to stay on the civil side, and if you will notice, I have said nothing but repeated their own posts back at them, used the things they say to illustrate it.
I will shoot you a PM, however, as to what I believe is a partial reason for this lax treatment of the Pantsuit Troops.
polly7
(20,582 posts)BooScout
(10,406 posts)Sorry to disappoint you.
salin
(48,955 posts)I hate DU during primaries. I still remember the self-exile of Kephra for a couple of months when he couldn't take the constant swarms from one group of supporters against other supporters. He came back, but sadly he wasn't for this life much longer - and we lost him first to the ugly behavior here, and then when that settled down, we lost him for real.
Reading this thread is confusing for one doing light DU reading (the dynamic isn't confusing but the terms - what is a BMU for example?), and very sad. The term devolution dynamics comes to mind.
*Sigh*
Btw, hi Oilwellian - it has been awhile.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)a user here
salin
(48,955 posts)gives me a reference when I read in the future. It read like it was a term of a group, and I didn't catch as a reference to a single poster.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Yes it does. It really does! LMAO.
This is what I am talking about. They have a slew of tells that it takes about 5 seconds to link together with who they are.
Please, come forth and defend your honor and say it isn't you!
Where are the rainbow pantsuits?
Oh, and by the way, politicaloasis has a site by that user. I'll just let the rest of the sleuths find it. It's a hoot .
OH LOL, hadn't checked it in a while. It appears empty, now!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)That explains a lot, I'm not surprised. Not at all.
BooScout
(10,406 posts)That thread does not tell you who it is. I was accused in that thread to be this Gr8Daze person and also accused of creating the JackAss site.
For the record, I did not know about that thread until I received a pm here this morning. I have now registered at DI and responded in that thread defending myself from lies about me.
I am here and now stating that I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE JACKASS SITE. I did not create it, nor do I promote it or participate in it. Nor do I even like or agree with that site. It is not my style and never will be. Nor do I have any socks at DI or here....or any other place...I have nothing to do with any of that.
I would like to thank those accusing me..... of finally making me decide to walk away from all the negativity and hate here. To make personal attacks on me and smear me with lies is just one step too far.
I have been bullied to the point that it's just now worth it anymore. I am taking a break from here for awhile. Best of luck to you all....and to those of you accusing me, shame on you....I hope it made you feel better to attack someone who had not one fucking thing to do with it.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)before you go...
After what was posted at http://hillaryclintonsupporters.com/forum/index.php by folks like you and others, you now got a reputation and not precisely a nice one.
As to the bullied, cry me a fucking river, given the bullying you and your crew have done for years on people like me.
Now I also want you to chew on this, that site I just linked to, has burned many bridges here. That you see behind you, is a nuclear wasteland.
And if it is not you posting at that jackass site, or doing a thing about it. I am sorry for suspecting you were involved. My apologies. I also will add, this is far more than you will ever do.But I mean it, my apologies.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)What they did to Steve was inexcusable.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)by the company you keep. Especially when you gleefully participated in it, too.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)kath
(10,565 posts)For visibility
So you can all see kath's kick.
flvegan
(64,411 posts)Love ya, Steve. Screw these idiot hater morons.
Omaha Steve
(99,691 posts)flvegan
(64,411 posts)davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)And to attack him in such a base manner says nothing about Steve; it says everything about the people that made such baseless and ugly rumors.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)enigmatic
(15,021 posts)Ignore these people. They aren't worth it.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)that we respect, there are some sorry individuals casting aspersions and being general jackasses.
For those that have slandered, mocked or reviled us, let me offer one sentiment:
Everybody in this thread might get their chance in the "spotlight" at the various DUer mock sites. I truly consider it an opportunity and honor for all of us that are mocked, belittled, and slandered. Please, come on back with something better, because that has done exactly nothing.
I don't think you have anywhere near the courage, the intelligence, the wisdom or the spirit to do a goddamn thing besides piddle in your pants in fear somewhere else.
Pick on us, we entreat - you are leaving somebody else alone. We can take it, and we, as we have all illustrated in this thread, are not afraid to hand it right back.
It keeps you in shape.
Gauntlet Thrown. Step up to the plate. You must know already that the whole of you are about to be unmasked. Step up and claim it.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Well said, Aerows
Aerows
(39,961 posts)That is what it is all about. Building each other up, not tearing each other down.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)X x
haikugal
(6,476 posts)We can take it and dish it right back. This is the love train, we don't run on fear.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)toss around. But can they? Clearly they cannot. If they have to go into hiding to fling poo, while we are not hiding, then clearly their sensitive little egos cannot take what they so want to dish out.
But if someone has a secret hiding place and nobody goes there, does it really exist? Lol.
These people have all been banned from here no? Clearly they are trolls.
malaise
(269,157 posts)marble falls
(57,150 posts)polly7
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ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)The nuts never fall far from the tree.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)They are despicable with their lies.
Stay strong and don't let anyone get you down
Aerows
(39,961 posts)emulatorloo
(44,166 posts)Omaha Steve
(99,691 posts)Over and over I was asked for proof. I refused to share the personal email.
Well I think the OP shows the same people are at it again. Here is some of the prve it comments: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027361647
OS
polly7
(20,582 posts)Of the original vile post and another.
Tell those people to shove off ............ there's definitely proof of the disgusting, obsessed trolls that they are.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)The slime mocked and slandered Steve for having a terminal illness.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)and I still don't know what this was all about.
FWIW, I am NOT the "naturally high" person on that site.