Stolen valor: The militiaman bodyguard of ranchers Cliven and Ammon Bundy

[tencats]

A key figure in the armed militia takeover of a federal building in Oregon has been posing as a retired US Marine to boost his 'combat' credentials, Daily Mail Online can reveal.

Brian Cavalier – the personal bodyguard of controversial ranchers Cliven and Ammon Bundy who lead the group – openly boasted to members of the press that he is a Marine who served in Afghanistan and Iraq.

But Daily Mail Online has learned that Cavalier, 44, has faked his military background to appear more credible as a militia henchman - a fact sure to anger some of the group's supporters.

According to US Marine Corp records Cavalier has never served as a Marine, whether it be as a recruit or a Marine Corps contractor.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3387117/Stolen-valor-Militiaman-bodyguard-ranchers-Cliven-Ammon-Bundy-posing-retired-Marine-served-Afghanistan-Iraq-boost-combat-credentials.html#ixzz3wUup7U6u
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[GGJohn]

1. I fucking hate these stolen valor wannbe's,

he'd probably shit his pants at the first sound of hostile gunfire and run to Mommy for cuddling.
oh, and did I say I fucking hate these stolen valor wannabe's?

[roguevalley]

43. their world is a video game

[GGJohn]

45. Yep, Call of Duty and Medal of Honor is their idea of combat experience.

[TxVietVet]

49. Any time a gunnut tells me he's a Marine,

We usually find out he was a "Maureen" bu$hit artist. The law should be written that would punish these assholes who claim to be veterans when I real life, they were wannabees.

Many conservanazis I know today who are chickenhawks usually are draft dodgers. :poop:

[GGJohn]

52. I couldn't agree more.

Conservanazis?
Can I steal that phrase from you and use it?

[TxVietVet]

55. PLease do and pass it on.

I picked it up from a guy who would rant against Druggie Limbaugh aka the world's greatest military and political genius with a boil on his fat ass.
Limbaugh loved to call Feminists "feminazis". The conservanazis who love the fat drug addict would think it's so funny because he's such a great entertainer. Use the word conservanazis and they get their panties all wadded up because using words to DEMONIZE them is just so work.

Fuck the conservanazis.

[GGJohn]

57. Thank you, I'll use it against some loony tune conservanazi's I know. eom.

[Marty McGraw]

84. and hum this tune to them

As well

( '-')


💩 (っ- 益 )っ

[GGJohn]

89. LOL.

That's perfect.

[Mbrow]

67. Oh Yeah,

I run into these zipperheads at work all the time...

[GGJohn]

70. Careful with the term zipperhead, that's what we called the VC in Vietnam,

a term I learned to regret using later on in life due to the racist nature of it.
Just a little friendly advice.

[Mbrow]

71. Sorry about that

just a couple of years before my time, we've always used it to mean someone who has had their brain remove and the scars are like a zipper, or their head is up their ass. i'll stop using it. we learn something new everyday. thanks for the heads up

[GGJohn]

72. Understood, but some here, as I initially did, may misunderstand the term and alert on it.

I kinda figured you wouldn't know the word was racist, I was just being friendly and neighborly.

[ProfessorGAC]

98. I'm With You GG

I wasn't military, but i worked with ACE decommisioning arsenals. (Well 2) If that punk had been 600 yards from a waste detonation of 1500 pounds of surplus ordinance, he would have puked on himself.

I worked closely with those guys (set fuses, timers and shaped charges) and i wouldn't pretend to be a combat vet.

What a tool!

[randys1]

101. The ones I like are the Navy Seal fakes.

Seals dont like that

speaking of which, check this out


http://www.navytimes.com/story/military/2016/01/04/admiral-push-integrate-navy-seals-recruit-more-women/78267118/

[GGJohn]

102. They most certainly do not,

I actually met a faker one time, I was on leave in my dress uniform and this guy walks up to me and, I kid you not, says " Hi, my name is Ed....., I'm a Navy Seal and I know a thousand ways to kill you silently."
I immediately called him out, asking what team he was with, when did he complete BUDs training, when did he graduate, etc, asshole made up some excuse and took off lickity split.

Did I happen to mention that I hate these stolen valor wannbe warriors?

How was your holidays?
Great I hope, ours was great, kids, grandkids over, great dinner and lots of presents for the children.

[randys1]

104. Same here...Happy New Year!

[DVRacer]

124. Mark me down too

To hear some guys talk makes me wish my nerve deafness was more severe. Had a guy do the stroll up at a bar once proclaim some shit I looked at him and said no you weren't now apologize and leave now. He looked me up and down I gave him the stare he hung his head mumbled something and walked away. Bartender asked how did you know I said if you have to tell someone you are something you aren't.

[whopis01]

145. I worked with a guy once who claimed to be a martial arts trainer for the Seals.

According to his stories, he would fly out on the weekends and train Navy Seals.

Then it seems he would fly back into town in time to make it in Monday morning to his job as the helpdesk guy at a small software company. I would never have guessed that's how the Navy did things till I met him.

[TxVietVet]

117. I know one goofy fake Seal.

His name is Mike Cody from Franklin, WI.

Phony as a $13 bill.

[Hoyt]

2. Bet right wingers don't turn on him like they might if a "liberal" were to fake serving.

Such "Faking" is contemptible, but I bet they give this guy a break since he's an armed white wing racist militia dude.

[GGJohn]

3. I know for a fact that every conservative friend of mine would call him out in a heartbeat,

especially every friend of mine that is a combat vet.

[Hoyt]

5. I disagree, I think right wingers, even friends, will give him a break because he's into gunz, is a

racist, is acting like a militia terrorist, and is intimidating Obama and the government.

[GGJohn]

7. I really don't care if you disagree, I'm talking about friends of mine who

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are conservatives, every last one of them would call him out and ridicule him for his stolen valor bullshit.
You, not being a vet, wouldn't understand how abhorrent this is to us vets, especially those of us that served combat tours.

[Hoyt]

9. I doubt it. Conservatives are almost universally accepting of racists, gunners, anti-government type

Shoot, look how they support/tolerate Trump -- who went out of his way to avoid the military -- yet is a racist, gun lover, etc.

[GGJohn]

12. One more time Hoyt, you, not being a vet, or a combat vet,

have no idea how we feel about the stolen valor shit, liberals and conservatives alike, we condemn it and will call out poser's every time we run into one.

[Hoyt]

16. Racism, guns and anti-government ideology in 2016 are more important than stolen valor to

today's white wingers.

Maybe you can provide some quotes from several racist, gun loving white wingers who denounce this guy.

[GGJohn]

17. As I said Hoyt, you will never be able to understand the hatred we have towards these fakers,

conservative and liberals alike, one of the few issues we have in common.

[Hoyt]

21. I don't doubt they hate fakers, but they love racist, gun loving white wing intimidaters more.

That's what you don't get. How many of your "conservative buddies" support Trump or another right wing racist candidate, even though they didn't serve, and in Trump's case actively avoided service?

BTW -- they should dislike posers. But, they shouldn't support this guy's white wing terrorist behavior either.

[GGJohn]

23. Yep, you're just proving my point Hoyt,

you'll never understand why we hate posers and will call them out every time we run across one.

[Hoyt]

25. I understand, believe me. I don't think most of your conservative vet friends are going to denounce

this guy because his gun loving, racist, white wing attitude offsets it.

Similarly, conservative vets support Trump even though he's a draft dodger because Trump talks tough, is a racist, gun lover, warmonger, etc. That's how I think most conservative vets will look at this -- "I don't like posers, but I can let that pass since Colonel Bundy is a gun loving, racist, white winger." It's really that simple. But to make it even simpler, I can hear some conservative vets saying, "You need to stop this posing and apologize right now, but I support your racism, terrorism . . . . . . "

Sorry, but as soon as you find some conservative vets who criticize this guys actions, beyond his faking, I'll reconsider.

[GGJohn]

26. Once again Hoyt, I don't give a rat's ass what you think my friends will do, I know them,

you don't, we've had conversations about this issue before and we all agree that these posers need to be confronted and shamed.

As far as conservative vets supporting Chump, Chump isn't claiming to be a vet, or a combat vet, so that's a whole different issue.

[Hoyt]

29. But will they turn on him for being a gun loving, racist, white wing terrorist?

I doubt it. Doesn't sound like you will ever get the point.

[GGJohn]

31. You can doubt all you want, you don't know them like I do. eom.

[HassleCat]

114. Hoyt, I see your point but the vets are correct

It's easy to believe right wing veterans would give a free pass to this guy because he's a right winger. In fact, they will jump in his shit about six different ways. This is particularly true of people who were in the Marine Corps. Most Marines didn't see combat, which is true of most veterans, but they really, really, REALLY hate people who falsely claim to be Marine veterans. The stolen valor thing is a far greater offense, in their eyes, than being a liberal, watching a Jane Fonda movie, etc.

[lancer78]

140. I swear hoyt

You must be the most contrary person on the planet.

[TipTok]

19. This vet agrees with you...

Hoyt can't see past his tantrum...

[GGJohn]

20. Thank you.

Hoyt will never understand, conservatives and liberals alike, the contempt for these wannbe posers, him never having worn the uniform, nor ever being in combat.
I'm not ridiculing him for not serving, I'm just stating that he has no idea of how strongly vets feel about this issue.

[GummyBearz]

110. Well I just put your theory to a test with a RWer Veitnam vet

me: Dad, did you see this article? One of those guys in Oregon faked a story about being a marine and combat vet in the middle east
dad: comes over, looks, says "what a son of a bitch"

[GGJohn]

111. Thank you, my point exactly.

BTW, tell you dad Welcome Home Brother, from one Vietnam vet to another.
He'll understand.

[GummyBearz]

112. I will

I was pretty sure he would have a negative reaction. I never served because my dad talked me out of it. But lots of my family has... grandfathers were ww2 vets, cousin was a gulf war vet.... Most were/are RWers. The grandfathers are gone, but I'd bet their reaction would be similar. They take that stuff exactly as you have described.

[Katashi_itto]

146. As much as i despise CG in everything else as a fellow vet. I will agree with him on this point.

[flt rsk]

78. Don’t waste your time dealing with idiots.

I am sure that I’m misquoting Jim Webb, “If they served, you don’t have to explain. If they didn’t they’ll never understand.”

Semper Fi

[Hoyt]

118. We'll see if he is expelled by the Bundy Militia vet white wingers.

[GGJohn]

120. Only if any of those loons are actual combat vets and not posers.

Combat vets don't take kindly to stolen valor pukes, regular cons might, but not any combat vet, conservative or liberal, will tolerate that shit.

[Hoyt]

121. According to news reports there are several vets among militia thugs. You let me know when they

they shun/shame him.

[GGJohn]

122. No, according to the news reports I've seen, there are vets headed to the scene,

but I haven't heard if any of the original loons are combat vets.
Notice I keep saying combat vets? No combat vet I know, both con and lib, will tolerate any stolen valor puke and will, almost without fail, confront the poser.

You can either accept that or not, but it's a safe bet that I would know better than you.

BTW, you said you wore the uniform of our Armed Services during college? Was it ROTC?
Regardless, I apologize for saying that you never wore the uniform and I won't make that mistake again.

We used to call the ROTC members Rot-C.

[Hoyt]

133. Here are some names, you watch for them expelling the poser.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2016/01/04/meet-the-motley-crew-of-veteran-militiamen-in-harney-country-oregon/

We called it Rot-C too. All I learned was I wasn't that gung ho about firebombing Vietnamese or taking orders from those who were into such.

[GGJohn]

134. Fair enough.

Military life isn't for just everybody,.

[bvar22]

11. I'm not so sure.

Real Combat Vets (especially Vietnam) don't take kindly to LIARS who phony up Military Records and claim to have served.
I am from that generation, and have friends who were drafted and died over there. I loved to sit in on the conversations where a newbie was going to try to fake service. They (my real combat friends) only had to ask one or two questions before uncovering a bald assed LIAR and send the coward packing.

[Hoyt]

13. I have right wing acquaintances, not friends, who are fine with racists, gun nuts, anti-government

types, etc. As long as they are acting like gun loving, racist, white wingers, they aren't going to shun them for embellishing their pasts. I hear what you are saying, but a true conservative right winger will support gun loving racists as long as they act like Randy Weaver.

[GGJohn]

15. Your are so wrong Hoyt. eom.

True combat vets will condemn those posers each and every time, you have no idea how strongly we feel about this, and you never will understand our hatred towards these fakers.

[Hoyt]

18. Fine, GG, provide some quotes from racist, gun loving, white wingers severely criticizing this guy.

And, I'm not talking about someone who says, "Colonel Militia Boy should not have lied about his service, but I support his white wing, racist, gun loving intimidation of the federal government and Obama."

[GGJohn]

22. Find your own quotes, you made the accusation, I'm not doing your bidding.

I'm just telling you, as a vet, that you have no idea how strongly vets, conservative and liberals alike, feel about this issue, and you'll never truly understand it.

[sarge43]

73. You're either missing or avoiding the point

The point is that no matter their political stand, veterans, combat experience or not, loathe these poseurs/wannabes who lie about being former service. As long as you are insisting on examples, where's your veteran who thinks it's ok for someone who never inked a Form 4 to claim to have military service, particularly combat?

[Hoyt]

79. But, will conservative vets criticize his racism, terrorism, etc.

I get they don't like posers. But are CONSERVATIVE vets just going to say, "wish he'd quit posing, but I'm OK with racism and militia BS" or "well if you gotta lie about service, I'd rather they be a white wing, gun toting, racist."

[sarge43]

85. Depends if those conservative vets are white racists, gun toters who are ok with militia bs.

No doubt some are.

[Hoyt]

106. If they are a 21st century conservative, my bet is they are. And that's my point.

[randys1]

103. I think there is a difference between combat vets and run of the mill cons.

I agree with you if we are not talking about combat vets, but what John is saying is mostly true, I know this in my own life.

[Hoyt]

108. I will accept this from you. My experience is most CONSERVATIVE vets are like Ollie North, Randy

Weaver, etc. Now, if war changed them from a "conservative" or they evolved, that's different and not what I'm talking about.

[GGJohn]

14. Thank You!!!!

I'm a Vietnam vet and I know for a fact that all my friends that are vets, liberal and conservative alike, hate this stolen valor shit and we'll call them out each and every time.

[1939]

38. Yup

"There I was in Bhum Phuoc, surrounded by VC, up to my knees in grenade pins........"

The one that get me are the ones who say "my records have been suppressed/altered/destroyed and if i told you what I was doing, i would have to kill you."

[GGJohn]

40. So true. eom.

[DawgHouse]

66. I have found this to be true with all military vets, conservative or liberal

I worked for a defense contractor for many years on a Marine Corps and Army contract. They were mostly conservatives and they had no patience for anyone who would fraudulently claim to be a veteran or a veteran who lied about their service.

[Hoyt]

135. We'll see if the vet occupiers expel him. My guess, love of guns and white wing ideology trumps

posing.

[2naSalit]

4. Maybe they'll get

paranoid about him and think he's a spy! That would make things interesting.

[Hoyt]

6. He'll just bring them twinkies and more ammo and they'll make amends. Racists stick together,

no matter what, especially if they are in a fake militia.

[catnhatnh]

87. You know

a series of guys-several of them veterans have told you that you are wrong. Unless you are in fact a combat veteran than it is just good manners to defer...

[2naSalit]

91. I am not sure where

I have been told many times that I'm wrong...

I was commenting on a comment so...

[catnhatnh]

94. I think you misread

If you check my post you'll see it was directed at another poster...

[2naSalit]

97. oh...

nevermind!

[GGJohn]

95. I believe that catnhatnh was replying to Hoyt. eom.

[1StrongBlackMan]

88. Yeah ... the article could have "suggested" that this guy was undercover FBI ...

then, it would get really interesting for him.

[2naSalit]

90. I will admit taht if he is

undercover, it wouldn't be a good thing if they figured it out. But that could be one of any of the regulars or not.

If he's not undercover and just some wannabe, I have no sympathy for him whatever the outcome.

[brewens]

27. If "Shrub" wasn't called out on it, this guy won't be either. He gets a pass. n/t

[GGJohn]

28. Not from vets, especially combat vets, and this combat vet does call out

this POS poser wannabe.

[Hoyt]

30. Exactly.

[GGJohn]

33. Wrong again Hoyt, but that's not surprising as you've never worn the uniform and

have no true idea of how vets actually feel about this issue.

[Hoyt]

41. Actually, I did wear a uniform (albeit in college) and bought into all the gung ho BS for 3+

years before I and the Army realized I wasn't a good fit mainly because I didn't like their gung ho, do what I say crud and believed like Muhammad Ali, "those people have never done anything to me or anyone I know." Vision issues were a factor too because I really wanted to be in the Coast Guard, where the goals were somewhat different.

Again, I understand disdain for posers. But, I don't think your conservative vet friends will denounce his racist terrorism. That would not fit with today's conservatism.

[GGJohn]

42. You can think all you want, but I know them and I know what they think of stolen valor types,

and I guarantee they will denounce him long and loud.

[Hoyt]

44. Will they denonounce their militia actions is the question.

[GGJohn]

47. My conservative friends already have, they call it stupid, childish, immature,

and just downright asinine.
Just because some of my friends are conservative doesn't mean that they support these loons.

[Hoyt]

61. Do you think they are terrorist? Do you think they should be convicted of a felony and barred from

owning gunz in the future?

[GGJohn]

62. Terrorists? No.

Asinine dumbfucks who should be arrested, prosecuted for a federal crime, convicted and stripped of their right to vote and own firearms?
HELL YES, they're too fucking stupid to be trusted to vote or hold a firearm, much less own one.

[Hoyt]

64. Well, I think they are terrorists, but we basically agree otherwise. Better quit while

we sort of agree.

[GGJohn]

65. Yeah, we wouldn't want people to know that we actually agree on something here,

which would be the 2nd time in 3 days.

[pinboy3niner]

74. Geez! Get a room, you guys!

[GGJohn]

75. Only if Hoyt pays for it,

I'm a cheap bastard.

[brewens]

36. They can't claim conservative veterans would denounce this guy in anyway,

and I'd have to see it to believe it. Look what a group of lying, lower life form shitstains called "Swiftboat Veterans for Truth did. Trashed a veteran to prop up the stolen valor scumbag in chief!

[GGJohn]

39. I detest Bush, but his wasn't case of stolen valor, he never claimed to be in combat,

he was just AWOL from the NG, and got away with it because of Daddy Bush.
And I can tell you with certainty that each and every conservative vet friend of mine will condemn this poser, we hate this stolen valor shit.

[brewens]

50. Bush was pretty close though. Posing as someone that fullfilled his obligation.

That would have had him in a position where he could have been deployed and been in combat. I doubt he's on record saying he would have weaseled out of it somehow.

[Hoyt]

48. Once again, Exactly. They treated one of best from Vietnam era as a piece of garbage.

[GGJohn]

53. And again Hoyt, that wasn't a case of stolen valor, as this thread is about. eom.

[Hoyt]

59. Wasn't posting to you. Conservative vets treated a "non-posing" real hero like crap is the point.

[arcane1]

83. Hell, rightwingers turn against liberals who actually serve! n/t

[Hoyt]

99. Good point. They sure went after Kerry.

[GGJohn]

100. Which was bullshit and uncalled for.

John Kerry was a war hero, he earned each and every medal awarded to him, now I don't agree with him throwing his medals over the US Capitol Bldg fence, but I do understand his reasons for it.

Again though, every conservative and liberal I know will condemn any stolen valor asshole who falsely claims to be a vet, especially a combat vet.

[DVRacer]

126. Politics don't play a role

Not in that arena you are or your not R's D's none of that matters. Just like politics doesn't matter when a fellow soldier or sailor is in need that shit goes right out the window. This guy is a douche nozzle and in the wrong 100% to even the most diehard of wing nuts. I have a lot of unreformed conservatives in my circle and they all called him out on it when they heard. Some things are above politics in the real world.

[GGJohn]

127. +1000. eom.

[Gregorian]

8. These poor guys are kind of lost souls. It's the aggression that's not benefiting anyone.

I actually respect him more for having not gone, as much as I detest lying. Haha.

[MineralMan]

10. Posers and Losers look like they'd rhyme, but they don't.

Posers and Hosers, however, do.

This guy appears to be all three, rhyming or not.

[flamingdem]

24. I wouldn't have thought to give kudos to the Daily Mail but this one

was gold.

[malaise]

32. They're all wannabees

Fucking morans - internet warriors.

[GGJohn]

34. The only combat most of these loons have seen is playing Call of Duty or

Medal of Honor while sitting in Mommy and Daddy's basement eating Cheetos.

God, I fucking hate these fake wannbe posers.

[malaise]

35. That's why they loved Bush and Cheney and now Trump

chicken hawks all.

[GGJohn]

37. Yup, and don't forget Rmoney,

who was in Paris rooting for the war and partying it up while guys like myself were actually in Vietnam fighting for our lives.
What a bunch of fucking hypocrites.

[lark]

46. Typical Repug

all lies all the time.

[Brother Buzz]

51. Bogus, there is no such thing as a retired Marine, "Once a Marine, always a Marine"...

or so I've been told many times by the boys who park their butts at far end of the American Legion bar.

[GGJohn]

54. Yup, a Marine never stops being a Marine, they're forever a Marine. eom.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

69. After some time, they stop saluting the brass,

and start collecting a pension.

And maybe go back to their old job, but as a contractor, if they can.

Yes, brother buzz, Marines retire. From active duty. But in their tired old hearts, they are still Marines.

[Brother Buzz]

77. Do me a favor and tell your fellow Marines to STOP telling me how they won the war in Vietnam...

only to have my Army, the Air Force, and the Navy lose it.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

81. I was Army, and, just because a Marine retires ...

doesn't mean he stops being annoying.

[GGJohn]

92. Retired Army here also,

and I agree with every word you said.

[TxVietVet]

119. When I hear bu$hit like that from Marines

I like to remind them that the 1st Calvary Division relieved their asses trapped in Khe Sanh.

"If you ain't Cav, you ain't shit!" they would say.

[glinda]

56. It is all "pretend and role playing" for them. They live in a false

reality be it the "ranchers" who long for the old old West or the fellow here discussed. And furthermore this extends out to the Republican candidates themselves. People like Trump who trump up his "greatness and accomplishments". Such an appropriate name.

I think that what we are seeing in American Society is the result of years of toxins (political and chemical) and other things coming together. I would love to see brain scans and blood toxicity samples of the majority of these people. To have so many delusional people is frightening to say the least.

[muntrv]

58. If there were a reason to fight a war, it would be to draft chickenhawks like these guys into combat

[GGJohn]

60. Yep, they'd find out real fast, that unlike

the video games they so love to play, Call of Duty, Medal of Honor, etc, there is no reset button or do over if you get shot or killed.

[Skittles]

63. oh dear

a gun humping coward? SAY IT ISN'T SO!

[Rex]

76. Another piece of crap that lied about serving in the military.

They are craven cowards.

[Skittles]

82. all those "militia" types are pathetic wanabes

they're illustrating exactly the mindset of gun humping cowards

[LiberalArkie]

68. He will comeback as "I was really Blackwater and under cover" Geez they just keep digging themselves

a deeper hole. But once they are found out, they just move on.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

80. Beyond stupid, it's insane they think they can fool everyone all the time. . nt

[mymomwasright]

86. Perhaps one day..

He'll get the throat punch he deserves! Ooh-Rah!

[tabasco]

93. Not exactly surprising.

These oafs are a bunch of fakers and posers.

[DinahMoeHum]

96. Guardian of Valor's Facebook page, if interested. . .

https://www.facebook.com/StolenValor

http://guardianofvalor.com/

[Separation]

109. Yep, just as I thought

Every one posting on that thread on Facebook are calling this fake ass as to what he is, a fat bodied faker wannabe. Now I wont presume to know the political side that these people are, but I would guess there are a few conservatives calling him out.

Semper Fi
Semper Paratus

[HassleCat]

105. So many of them

The special forces are supposed to be pretty selective, meaning there would no be too many of them. Why is that I can't turn around without some guy telling me he was a Navy Seal, Marine Recon, Green Beret, Air Force whatever they're called (sorry AF people -- can't remember)? There seem to be about as many special forces as there are people in the military. Didn't anybody cook the food, sort the mail, clean the toilets? I know I did that stuff when I was in, but I must have been the only one. Everybody else was some kind of Action Jackson type guy.

[Rex]

107. That is what makes them most pathetic imo...not a one of them served 5 years in normal duty roles.

Oh noes! They were jumping out of planes and destroying tanks in some uber duber squad! Special special forces alpha force brigade of heroes!


This is how they see themselves.


This is what the rest of the world sees!

[Odin2005]

113. Fuckwits who need their copies of Call of Duty taken away from them.

[lpbk2713]

115. Disgusting and sickening POS.

All gave some. Some gave all.

This scumbag is a taker. He's taking a free ride on the shirt
tails of honorable people he has nothing in common with.

[GGJohn]

116. Spot fucking on.

Thank you for that lpbk2713.
These wannabe, cheeto eating posers make me furious beyond words.

[bullwinkle428]

123. I have literally refused to even wear any kind of camo-pattern article

of clothing over the course of my entire life, as I didn't want to even give a hint of an impression that I've ever served in the military. I don't want to hear a compliment from someone that I absolutely don't deserve.

But there's clearly no shortage of self-serving assholes around.

[GGJohn]

125. Neither do I, to look at me,

you would never know I served over 40 years in the Army, I have long hair, beard, wear overalls around the farm, don't wear anything indicating I served in the military, like a hat or such nonsense.
My close friends and family know I served and IRL, that's the way I like it.

[Elwood P Dowd]

128. What kind of exemption did you get to stay in 40 years?

During my two years (draftee) never met anyone with 35 much less 40.

[GGJohn]

129. I started out as a WO1 as a helicopter pilot in Vietnam flying slicks and snakes,

ended my career as a squadron commander of Apache's during Desert Shield/Desert Storm.

Because of my exemplary service, and combat experience and leadership skills, I was given the option of re-upping for another 4 year hitch when I reached 36 years, they also needed experienced pilots during Desert Storm, so I took the xtra 4 years and the rest is history.

[Elwood P Dowd]

130. Did you start out a Rucker and end at Rucker?

An old buddy of mine went to Rucker after basic and became a WO1. Spent a year in 'Nam with the 1st Air Cav. I got a stateside assignment in DC after basic. Can't imagine somebody putting up with that Army bullshit for 40 years. I would have gone crazy.

[GGJohn]

132. Started at Ft. Rucker, but ended at Ft. Riley.

In Vietnam, I was with A Co. 101st Aviation Bn. initially driving the slicks, then transitioned to the Snakes doing CGS for the ground pounders and escorts for the slicks during insertions and extractions of troops.

I came from a long line of military vets, it was expected of us boys to join the military, putting up with the Army wasn't that hard, I truly loved the regimented lifestyle and my lovely wife and children supported me, when our oldest son expressed an interest in following his old man's footsteps, my wife and I sat down and made the decision that I would be the last of the family to do military service, we took him down to the Veterans Hospital in Phoenix and had him talk to a number of wounded vets, he changed his mind about military service, but he did become a civilian helicopter pilot, so in a way, he did kind of follow in my footsteps.

[Elwood P Dowd]

136. Ft Riley, Kansas. That was where my father mustered out from in early 1946 after WWII. (nm)

[GGJohn]

138. IMHO, WWII vets are true heros, they really literally saved the world from an evil tyranny,

your father is a hero in my book
My father was a fighter pilot in WWII flying the P-51 doing bomber escorts over Germany, sadly, he is no longer with us, but, IMO, he also was a hero.
He always wanted me to be a fighter pilot, but I was jazzed with helos and no amount of urging could get me to join either the Navy or Air Force.

[Elwood P Dowd]

139. What was that name for you W01 chopper guys.....wogee or something like that.

Been so long I can't remember much of that old Army vernacular.

[GGJohn]

148. Sorry it took so long to get back to you, internet was down, a tower fell down.

Wocee, if I remember right, been a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time since I heard that nickname.

[pinboy3niner]

149. That sucks. If you haven't caught up yet, see this...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7509251

[GGJohn]

150. Thanks for the link, it would seem that he was afraid of what his fellow loons

would confront and denounce him and demand he leave.

I know for a fact that these stolen valor posers would be confronted and shamed by both conservative and liberal combat vets.
We just don't cotton to that shit.

[gwheezie]

131. Well the daddy isn't coming home guy is a vet

Served in Iraq and Afghanistan, so I wonder what he thinks. He's holed up with this faker.

[rusty quoin]

137. I always down play my service. It's actually being honest.

When I served I did a job as a medic in peace time. When I was released from my contract, I was told, "thank you for your service" and I was uncomfortable with the statement. It was a job I couldn't quit. Everyone has a job.

I knew war was different from what I did. I don't understand the type of guy who steals bravery from others who actually suffered.

I figure one who does it is a damaged individual, without combat experience. Audie Murphy was a damaged individual with lots of combat experience. Thank you Audie for what you did for us, but we wish that he did not go through what he went through.

What the fuck is it about going to war the only way to prove you're a man? I wish Audie Murphy lived a normal life without demons.

[gwheezie]

141. My late husband was a medic

He was stationed in Korea. He spent most of his time wishing he wasn't in the army. When he talked about it, he talked about having a girlfriend and sneaking off to see her and how he lost 50 lbs because being scared made him anorexic.

[pinboy3niner]

142. Cavalier, aka 'Fluffy Unicorn,' whined about being treated worse than Black Lives Matter

No surprise that this shameless asshole would also lie about being a combat vet.

Oregon Militants Say They're Getting Worse Treatment Than Black Lives Matter Movement
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/oregon-militants-black-lives-matter_568aaad9e4b014efe0db065c

[pinboy3niner]

143. UPDATE: Cavalier left Malheur after the Daily Mail exposed him - Raw Story

Brian “Booda” Cavalier, an Arizona tattoo artist who served as a bodyguard for the Bundys during the previous standoff, has left the nature preserve after the Daily Mail reported he had been lying about serving as a U.S. Marine in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Some of the militants also suspect Cavalier might be working as a federal informant.

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/trump-campaign-official-arrives-at-oregon-standoff-to-help-militants-combat-psyops/

His sudden disappearance also is mentioned briefly in a Reuters story:

Pizza, rifles and tension: a night inside the Oregon protest
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-oregon-militia-refuge-insight-idUSKBN0UL0DW20160107

[lpbk2713]

144. He'll just go looking for a different audience, but just as gullible.

Look for him at a roadside beer joint shining people on for free drinks.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

147. Maybe he left to join the marines.

If so, maybe he'll be met by the same chorus I was met with when I got to boot camp. "You'll be SORRY!!"

[PatrickforO]

151. Sure he served...in his MIND.

Kinda sad, these right-wing crazies.