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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsNye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Would you ever call your master bedroom, an "Owner's Suite"? Or what about "Owner's Bedroom?" An article on Gawker cited a survey from the Washington Business Journal that found some real estate developers in the Washington, D.C. area no longer use the term "Master Bedroom" in their floor plans. Some people believe that there are negative connotations to the term, gender-wise and historically. Of the survey of 10 homebuilders in the D.C. area, six no longer use the word. Instead, they're using "Owner's suite," "Owner's bedroom," or "Mastre Bedroom." In fact, some in the industry, such as Brian Block, managing broker for McLean's RE/Max Allegiance, told the Washington Business Journal that he prefers those terms because they imply a luxurious space with a lavish bath and custom closets.
http://www.housebeautiful.com/lifestyle/fun-at-home/a1087/master-bedroom-politically-incorrect/
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)Then what?
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)as in "slave owner".
So I guess we go with "mastre bedroom" (not sure of the pronounciation).
Anyway, I need to get back to taking down my Christmas tree. Er, I mean Holiday tree.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)You seem oppressed.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Goddammit.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)Response to GGJohn (Reply #24)
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Funtatlaguy
(10,885 posts)Or large, largest bedroom
seaglass
(8,173 posts)firefighter, police officer, mail carrier, chairperson - it makes a difference to be INCLUDED and language helps to change perception.
Bucky
(54,041 posts)Glassunion
(10,201 posts)tymorial
(3,433 posts)Glassunion
(10,201 posts)Ace Rothstein
(3,182 posts)Glassunion
(10,201 posts)Tommy_Carcetti
(43,189 posts)In my house, it's called "Mom and Dad's room, so stay out, kids."
boobooday
(7,869 posts)Two bedrooms plus a suite implies one room is a larger room plus a bath.
This isn't the rabid pc nonsense that you seem to be referring to. I got blasted for calling a woman (she's a trump supporter on tv) a bitch because that's misogynist - that I consider nothing but utter bullshit and whining for the sake of whining. I sure as hell don't see anyone whining when I call a man a prick or a dick. There is nothing wrong with watching what you say so as to not insult someone but it's been taken to an absurd level and made being politically correct nothing but a sad joke.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)You don't see a difference between calling a man a prick or dick and calling a woman a bitch? Really????
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)They both make mention of gender so what's the difference?
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)women historically have had that word thrown at them while being discriminated against, sexually assaulted or getting the shit beat out of them. It's a word that is commonly used to degrade and belittle women. (like the n-word used against AA's)
There isn't that connotation with "dick" or "prick", however, I don't believe they should be used as insults either.
FFS.
I completely disagree. Yes, men (and other women) have used the word to demean. I can take it and don't need protection from it from anyone. Just my opinion.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)opinion, which is every bit as valid as yours, yes, it is about me. Every women can decide for herself what kind of language they wish to have fits over.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)It's about the millions of women who just might need that protection you have such disdain for.
Protection from words? I think women need protection from some religions, from some cultures, from some people in their lives. Not from words. I honestly can't believe I'm even having this discussion but whatever.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)The word is heavily embedded in the history of misogyny. Like I pointed out in my first post to you.
You can't believe you are having this conversation and I'm done having a conversation that is only going to fall on deaf ears.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)with you doesn't mean I'm not listening. I'm a very well educated person who lives in a melting pot city and I honestly had no idea that the "b" word (is that better?) was so contentious.
kelly1mm
(4,734 posts)kelly1mm
(4,734 posts)JTFrog
(14,274 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)which is another reason I'm finding this whole discussion mind boggling.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)So you think I'm a sexist. I'm afraid I'm fine living with that.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)I said women can be just as sexist and misogynstic as men.
kelly1mm
(4,734 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Just fyi.
So would it seem quid-pro-quo if a woman called a man a prick, a vulgar term for male genitalia, that she should not be ruffled by being called a vulgar term for female genitalia then ?
Language, such a play on words and how they're used. People, any people using any words intended to emotionally hurt another is not politically correct IMO at least.
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)Unless they don't think he's a dick or a prick and are arguing on those valid points. I don't think they should be whining about calling a woman a bitch either.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)someone who is looking for reasons to whine. Why is one so insulting but not the other (bitch v prick)? I'm a women who doesn't need protection from words and wont have a fit of the vapors because of a word.
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)reasons to whine?
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)on what they're complaining about. Some words are obviously out of bounds and shouldn't ever be used in polite society EVER. I don't put bitch into that category at all.
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)How does anyone decide? I can only tell you what I find offensive, words I wouldn't use. I don't try and tell others what they should be insulted about.
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)my friends or my family in discussions about such issues find words disturbing. It's not rocket science. Have you seen the kerfuffle about calling the main bedroom in a house the master bedroom? That's the kind of shit I'm talking about.
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)about it? Besides your proximity or relation to the other person, I mean.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)When I got blasted for using the "b" word (I have no desire to be accused of using a word that gives people the vapors over and over) - it wasnt' someone politely informing me they find the word harsh and sexist. No I was BLASTED as a misogynist, called a woman hater and was accused of supporting a patriarchy. That's the difference between whining and discussing.
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)if someone points out something is hurtful to some politely. Why on earth would I?
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)sexist slur, but they're crabby about it, that's it, the word is fair game for you? Or if someone were to say to you now, politely, that "bitch" is often seen as a sexist slur and they object to you using it, would you consider the word "off limits" like other words in your vocabulary?
And I'm curious, what are some of those other words?
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)I would acknowledge their feelings and try not to use it again. In fact, I hadn't used it here (I'm pretty sure) again until this story but that had little to do with the person who crucified me and called me some very nasty names for using it in the first place. It could be what turned me off political correctness but I doubt it was only that. It's like using the word terrorist for every criminal you don't like - it has lost all meaning. I have no desire to list the words I find objectionable. Someone would probably alert and get it hidden anyway.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)Political correctness gets in the way. So down with political correctness.
Bryant
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)and hysteria. It was just one example of political correctness losing all its meaning because it's used to squelch all speech that some may find offensive. I've got news for you, there is no law against offending someone and you're not going to like what everyone says all day every day. Suck it up and be a fucking adult about it.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)but I would no more refer to a woman as a "bitch" than I would use the n-word to describe a black person. "Bitch" when applied to a woman is a grossly offensive sexual stereotype.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)I have very mixed feelings about that situation.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)on prick or dick? If you're okay with them, I think you're a hypocrite.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)"Prick" seems more vulgar and it's just not a word I tend to use. But both are very much less offensive than calling a woman a bitch. If that makes me a hypocrite in your eyes I can't control that. But it's not just me. If you start a DU thread with the title "Carly Fiorina is such a bitch" it is very likely to be hidden by a jury. "Donald Trump is a prick", on the other hand, will almost never be hidden.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)has lots of hypocrites on issues like PC and religion is not news to me. I've been here a very long time. Maybe it's because I'm a NYer - swearing comes second nature and while there is a word I would NEVER call a woman, bitch isn't it and seems pretty mild to me.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Kinda like calling people bitches?
If you're going to insult people and demand they nonchalantly shrug it off, the least you could do is lead by example. Like, not whining about people whining about you, for example.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)I didn't insult anyone except for those who are so worried about being politically correct they have stifled not only their own speech but feel free to whine about everyone else's and have taken it to such absurd levels the entire meaning of being polite has been bastardized into oblivion. Does that describe you?
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Par example: You're demanding people grow thicker skin while bawling your fucking eyes out because somebody you don't know called you a sexist on the internet. Then there's that part where you tried to dictate to people what they should or should not find offensive. That was pretty childish of you.
It's all so difficult to follow, I know, but sometimes the situation demands a little critical self-reflection.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Where am I whining in the slightest? I don't care if someone online calls me a sexist - why on earth should I care? I just stated what happened and you call that whining? No wonder the pc police seem to have such a hold on you. You claiming I'm whining is such a ridiculous response, you have actually literally made me laugh out loud.
Marr
(20,317 posts)is doing itself any favors.
This kind of hypersensitive stretch to be offended and make the world into your personal 'safe space' just crawls up most peoples' asses.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)Assholes say assholish things - I can't control that. I can choose not to be an asshole myself, though. And I can choose to point out assholish behavior if I see it. And if they don't like it they can suck it up and be a fucking adult about it.
Bryant
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)a difference of opinion on this issue. It's other's DEMANDING that I use (or not use) certain language otherwise I'm a horrible person. And the crap they take offense to just makes me roll my eyes. I'm not asking for laws to be passed and if you want to call me out, knock yourself out. I don't need protection from the PC police and I'm not in favor of treating everyone like a child who needs to be protected from words. Their are obviously some words out of bounds that should NEVER be used (in my opinion), I find it hard to make that argument when that same word is used in popular music all the time but whatever. Tis why I don't take any of this crap seriously at all and just say what I want. I manage not to get my ass kicked or insult people every single day by ignoring the new pc rules.
randome
(34,845 posts)...since some words are considered by society at large to be demeaning, I don't see the problem in 'giving in' to that opinion. Simply find another way to express yourself. The English language is infinitely variable.
Arguing for the 'right' to use the word 'bitch'...well, nothing good can come of that.
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leftynyc
(26,060 posts)that was just an example - a personal one - of what happens on DU every single day. Maybe I shouldn't have used it because I truly don't care what anonymous people think about my use of language but I honestly find the demands of some people to protect others from words to be much more demeaning and paternalistic than the use of the words themselves. Again, just my opinion.
DeadLetterOffice
(1,352 posts)Brought to you by juror #1
Sigh
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7503818
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
Calling a woman a bitch is sexist bullshit that doesn't belong on DU. And complaigning about getting a hidden post on DU for it is just doubling down... and later in thread triples down. Completely insensitive and over the top inappropriate for DU.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Jan 6, 2016, 10:33 AM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This was tough. The actual post alerted on isn't calling anyone a bitch. If it were, I'd vote to hide in a second.
But posting about why he should be allowed to call a woman a bitch, while head-bangingly sexist, is also an opportunity to explain to the poster WHY it's head-bangingly sexist.
So I vote to leave it, reluctantly, and acknowledging hiding it may be just as legitimate.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I am a woman and the poster here may have a valid point. Reviling a political opponent is not censured in the same way on DU. I vote to let this stand - whether one believes the poster is correct here or not, such a post should be allowed to be discussed on DU.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Sadly, the poster persists in using these slurs
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: What's next, calling a woman a c*nt? Stop it.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Tough one. But its the double down and the triple down ... it DOES seem to be an effort to say it again and get away with it which seems dishonest. Reducing a woman to "bitch" is wrong and while I get the sense the alerted member wasn't trying to that at first, he crossed the line with this and the subsequent posts.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)First off, the alerter who claimed I had a post hidden is simply wrong, it was not hidden, I was just blasted for using the word bitch. I honestly don't remember ever calling a woman a bitch on DU before so was very surprised at the attitude I had committed some heinous crime and after watching what is allowed and what isn't, I spoke out about how arbitrary I find the whole pc concept. Everyone finds something offensive - that's hardly my problem. I find offensive shit on this board every single day and I suck it up.
The person who said I persist in using the slurs is so ridiculous. If I hadn't gotten complaints that led to a discussion, I wouldn't have used it more than once so that charge is complete bullshit. We're discussing using a word, how can I do that without using the word? Call it the "b" word? Are we really reduced to that?
Anyway, I do appreciate the 5 jurors who let the discussion stand. Another thing that has gotten out of hand on DU are the constant alerts (and I'm not talking about me, this was my first alert in at least 6 months). Just more evidence the pc culture has us by the ovaries.
DeadLetterOffice
(1,352 posts)Seriously dude -- "Just more evidence the pc culture has us by the ovaries" ????
You are WAY missing the point of 'please don't be misogynistic.' I'm so regretting giving you the benefit of the doubt now...
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)would you have been happier if I said the pc culture has us by the balls (which I don't have). See, this is exactly what I'm talking about. It appears we can use sexist language for men but not for women. I'm not okay with that and find the whole thing arbitrary bullshit.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,189 posts)...by people who wish to express views that range from unpopular to bigoted but fear social backlash.
Every once in a while, people go way overboard on what might be considered offensive and it is somewhat obnoxious. And sure, those situations might be ripe for mockery, but I don't think that's what's at issue the majority of times.
Way too often, it's a screen used to excuse genuinely offensive expression--which while technically permitted under the First Amendment still remains offensive--just like "I have friends who are X" is.
tymorial
(3,433 posts)Quite often, political correctness is used as a blunt object to deflect all criticism from those who take issue with obvious offensive language.
At the same time there is a tendency by some to dismiss all debate concerning free speech, free expression and differing ideas as abject misogyny, bigotry and/or racism. It causes some to be silent; afraid to express themselves out of the fear that their opinions may be misconstrued or taken out of context. Some view the silence of others as evidence of bigotry while others view silence as evidence that opinions are censored. The all or nothing view point lacks nuance and is in my opinion a product of identity politics. I realize that statement may not be popular and may cause me to be flamed but it is my opinion that splitting rarely produces positive outcomes.... just further polarization.
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)For the most part political correctness is just good manners, however some folks do indeed get offended at everything.
The good thing is there is no government entity that enforces good manners, so there is in all honesty nothing stopping you from speaking your mind. The trick is you may offend someone, and everyone has different levels of how easily they are offended. So sooner or later, no matter how polite you are, you will offend someone.
Remember: Being politically correct, does not by default make you correct.
Nye Bevan
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el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)Men have cultural power that woman don't. When white men get made fun of it doesn't stop them from basically running everything; when women and minorities get made fun of and attacked it perpetuates a fundamentally unjust society, in which woman and minorities are not given the same cultural deference and opportunities that white males get.
Welcome to DU by the way; I hope you enjoy your stay.
Bryant
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el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)We have a textbook example of it playing out in Oregon right now; the police seem to have no trouble cracking down on black people carrying toy guns or being the slightest bit disrespectful. Armed white people occupy federal property and nothing is done.
How did you find out about DU by the way? Do you consider yourself a Democrat?
Bryant
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hunter
(38,322 posts)People can call me any names they like but it has no impact on my social privileges as a white male.
So long as I act and dress as a white middle class male I'm automatically granted the privileges of a white middle class male.
Even when I'm not wearing the costume of an ordinary white middle class male, I'm still treated with more respect than any non-white person or woman ever would be.
When I was a troubled kid in college, the cops would take me home. I'm pretty sure non-white males in a similar state were more often beaten and bullied (or worse...) and women in a similar state were abused in sexist and sexual ways.
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hunter
(38,322 posts)I'm such a prick.
See 'ya.
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el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)Like denigrating minorities or woman for example. On the other hand pointing out that some white males are assholes isn't nearly as big a deal. That's one of the advantages of being a white male - you are treated far more as an individual.
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el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)I think though, that denigrating individual white males as assholes who continue to spout racist nonsense, might be productive.
Bryant
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)"white men are running everything".
Uh-huh. So even a janitor like me is somehow "running everything". Because 10 of the top 10 in the Forbes 400 are white males (and are their wives somehow 'poor and powerless'?) that somehow makes EVERY white male rich and powerful? Even the ones sleeping in the homeless shelter tonight - they are running everything because their artificial sub-group is?
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)Everybody has a list of advantages and disadvantages based on their personal experience, their educational opportunities, their work, and their race/gender (and other things too I'm sure). Many if not most white males don't have the advantages to become wealthy and powerful. Some minorities and some women are lucky enough to have enough advantages to overcome the problems their race/gender create for them.
But that doesn't change the fact that on every white male's list, whatever other disadvantages/advantages he has, are the advantages he gets from being a white male. Are those automatically enough to overcome other personal conditions and render that white male wealthy and powerful? No. But they are there.
Bryant
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)a hydrogen molecule might be there - but that does not mean its weight is a significant factor.
Having actually experienced the supposed advantages in being a white male, I don't believe they amount to squat in the real world.
In fact, one of those supposed advantages seems to be that because of the supposed advantages for white males, that it is always okay to insult them as a group.
What a privilege.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)I'm sorry your feelings are hurt when White Males are insulted as a group; could you provide some examples of that happening though?
Bryant
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)If I walk off the edge of a roof, I experience the reality of gravity no matter what I believe, or what I "see".
If I choose to not see the reality of the door here and just keep walking - reality asserts itself when I slam into the door.
So why can I choose to not see this particular "reality"? Perhaps because it is not really real, it's somebody's idea that they (and their adherents) fervently believe. Or alternatively, it IS real, just like the existence of Pluto, but it is too small and too far away to have much impact on anything.
Feeling? Puh-lease. I am male, the only emotion I ever experience is anger. Even pain just causes anger.
The whole notion though that
Person A calls person B a name, and that is a huge offense while
Person B calls person A a name, and that does not matter
based on the color of skin or gender, (or sexual orientation, etc.) that just seems like a bullsh*t double standard. One which I will always call out, no matter how much some people try to justify their hatred of some groups of people.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)kwassa
(23,340 posts)At least in my building ...
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)I don't run anything.
But I do sorta have keys to the kingdom. Although less so now.
About five years ago there was a break in, a computer got stolen from an office. So the offices got re-keyed.
I found that to be ironic. When I started the job, on day 2 I had the keys to all the offices. Ten years later, even when I was promoted to the awesome status position of janitorial supervisor (I know, you are probably tempted to genuflect when you read that) I did not have keys to the offices.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)I remember going through airport security to meet my wife at the gate. The box cutters in my pocket set off the alarm, I showed them to security, they handed them back to me, and on I went to the gate. Pre 9/11.
underpants
(182,861 posts)LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)We will explain our Carnival much better to people who come from other cultures, so there wont be any confusion about what constitutes celebratory behavior in Cologne, which has nothing to do with a sexual frankness, she said, according to comments reported by The New York Times.
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/01/germany-refugees-sexual-assaults/422697/
Stories like this one is why Americans, white and nonwhite, overwhelmingly say political correctness has gone too far.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Asked by a journalist how women could protect themselves, Henriette Reker said: Theres always the possibility of keeping a certain distance of more than an arms length that is to say to make sure yourself you dont look to be too close to people who are not known to you, and to whom you dont have a trusting relationship.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/06/cologne-attacks-mayor-women-keep-men-arms-length-germany
With reasonable adherents like these folks, it's a mystery why PC is so unpopular.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)This guy is a genius!
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)PC is where logic and rationality often go to die. This one is too far gone.
earthside
(6,960 posts)What people hate are the contortions some people use to avoid plain language.
"Illegal immigrant" is one that gets me. This is an accurate and descriptive term for anyone who enters the United States in contravention of the law. "Undocumented worker" is so clearly political and non-descriptive.
Much 'political correctness' is rather obvious when it turns silly in its political manipulation.
For instance, the video that someone made a couple of months ago alleging that all kinds of sayings average people use all have racist origins -- turns out most of them actually don't. That is 'political correctness' turned into whining and inanity.
And I haven't met a person yet who believes that is a real thing called 'microagressions'. Rudeness and crudeness for sure -- 'micoragressions' is a PC term that elicits derision.
On there other hand, the conservative reactionaries running the Repuglican Party these days use 'political correctness' as a rationale to articulate bigotry and hate.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Although not taught in American learning institutions and literature, it is noted in most Black history professional circles and literature that the origin of the term "picnic" derives from the acts of lynching African-Americans. The word "picnic" is rooted from the whole theme of "Pick A N****r." This is where individuals would "pic" a Black person to lynch and make this into a family gathering. There would be music and a "picnic." ("Nic" being the white acronym for "n****r." Scenes of this were depicted in the movie "Rosewood."
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Specious etymologies seem to be all the rage of late, and this dubious claim about 'picnic' fits that trend. You'll be heartened to know 'picnic' has nothing to do with crowds gathering to witness the lynching of blacks (or anyone else, for that matter) in America.
'Picnic' began life as a 17th-century French word: it wasn't even close to being an American invention. A 1692 edition of Origines de la Langue Françoise de Ménage
mentions 'piquenique' as being of recent origin and marks the first appearance of the word in print. As for how the French came by this new term, it was likely invented by joining the common form of the verb 'piquer' (meaning "to pick" or "peck" with 'nique,' possibly either a Germanic term meaning "worthless thing" or merely a nonsense rhyming syllable coined to fit the first half of this new palate-pleaser.
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Meanwhile, things are not peachy on the campus of SUNY/Albany. The university wanted to honour baseball legend Jackie Robinson by having a picnic. But the university's equity office said this must not occur because the word "picnic" referred originally to gatherings held to lynch Blacks. In fact, as one of their own English professors (rather less committed to historical revisionism than RMC's Dr. Robinson) pointed out, the word "picnic" actually comes from a 17th-century French word that denotes a party at which everyone brings food. But Zaheer Mustafa, the equity officer, nevertheless decreed that "picnic" not be used because "the point is the word offends." So the university decided to call it an "outing." Then, homosexual students took objection to that, and SUNY decided to publicize the event without using any noun to describe it.
http://www.snopes.com/language/offense/picnic.asp
earthside
(6,960 posts)I'm not being PC, am I?
It is exactly this kind of inanity that fuels Trump and his followers and actually gives them a sense of license to be bigoted and hateful.
Now, how does that add to the civility of American discourse? We on the liberal-progressive side are supposed to be smarter and understand the ramifications of what we propose. The kind of PC incident like the one above at SUNY/Albany is counterproductive and hurts the broader cause of peace, justice, and equality ... in my opinion.
In other words, Zaheer Mustafa, has become an enabler of bigots -- quite the opposite of was intended.
Democrats_win
(6,539 posts)But somehow he has time to explain all of the politically incorrect stuff he says. You know: If you don't have time to do the job right the first time, where did you find the time to do it right the second time?
Is this man really "one of us?" (Throwing his own words back at him.) Just like how he descended on us on an escalator from his bubble in the sky to say terrible things about people who do a lot of the work in this country.
Trump is not one of us, go back to your politically incorrect bubble so we don't have to hear you any more. He is an affluent weak brat who won't stand tall and take responsibility for what he says but will spend hours explaining his lies and missteps.
What a weak loser!
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mwrguy
(3,245 posts)Some words definitely do need to be done away with.
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arthritisR_US
(7,291 posts)ageism, sexism, racism or bigotry. PC serves to mask it, to cover it up but does nothing to address the core.