Peace my black ass

[malaise]

Remove those militia terrorists

"...these are armed anti-government protesters..." well well well when Dan Abrams can say that, folks are ready to deal with this.

[daleanime]

1. K&R.....

[malaise]

4. Hack on CNN - there hasn't been any attack other than occupying

the Federal government building

What the fugging fugg!!!

[tazkcmo]

2. Damn straight.

Except my ass is day glo white. Remove and prosecute for sedition.

[malaise]

3. LOL

[daleanime]

5. Hell yes....

every single one of them needs to go to jail. No exceptions.

[MohRokTah]

6. If the only difference in the equation was they were black or Muslim...

they'd already all be dead.

[cali]

7. oh for fuck's sake

That's idiotic. Why escalate this? Cut the water, communications and power. No food or water and they'll be out of there within 5 days. Then arrest them and prosecute them to the full extent of the law. Do not endanger the lives of law enforcement. Do not create martyrs.

[Old Codger]

8. That would be best n/t

[2naSalit]

12. Except they are the survivalist types with

several trailers full of supplies and generators etc. I think drones should target the trailers so that starving them out can be possible. A couple of those 35' trailers can hold a lot of supplies, that is what needs to be taken out because that's also where they keep their ammo.

This facility is going to be closed for a while. And you know they will start killing the wildlife to eat. Just ugly.

[cali]

14. Fine, take out the trailers.

[KeepItReal]

16. See, you just escalated the situation.

How do you propose to "take out the trailers" without resistance?

[KeepItReal]

9. "they would not rule out violence if police tried to remove them"

Among the occupiers is Ammon Bundy, son of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, and two of his brothers. Militia members at the refuge claimed they had as many as 100 supporters with them. The refuge, federal property managed by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, was closed and unoccupied for the holiday weekend.

In phone interviews from inside the occupied building Saturday night, Ammon Bundy and his brother, Ryan Bundy, said they are not looking to hurt anyone. But they would not rule out violence if police tried to remove them, they said.

"The facility has been the tool to do all the tyranny that has been placed upon the Hammonds," Ammon Bundy said.

"We're planning on staying here for years, absolutely," he added. "This is not a decision we've made at the last minute."

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/drama_in_burns_ends_with_quiet.html

[GGJohn]

10. So what?

Let them stay there for years, although I'll bet once the utilities are cut off, comms jammed, internet jammed, they'll be ready to call it quits after a few weeks, especially with the stink of feces and their own bodies become unbearable.

[KeepItReal]

15. By your logic no illegal occupations of land and buildings would be challenged

If people can't exercise their 1st Amendment rights in UNARMED public protests (Ferguson, Occupy Wall Street, the Civil Rights Movement) in public spaces without being corralled, tear gassed, and forcibly dispersed by law enforcement, why should these armed mofos illegally trespassing on government property be treated so lightly?

[GGJohn]

17. Ahh, I get it now, you subscribe to the notion that 2 wrongs make a right.

You would escalate a, so far, trespassing violation into a shootout to satisfy your desire to see them "get their just dues".
What kind of sick think is this?

[KeepItReal]

21. No. I'm for ONE STANDARD. Either everyone gets kid gloves or everyone gets the hard line.

[IMG][/IMG]

That is what peaceful 1st Amendment protests get.

These armed dudes taking over a government building? Not so much.

[GGJohn]

23. So because the cop in St. Louis were assholes, then the Feds should be assholes and start killing

those, so far, trespassers?

[KeepItReal]

25. Who said anything about killing folks?

eom

[GGJohn]

27. There are some on this board who are advocating just that.

But if you're not, then I apologize.

[KeepItReal]

32. My first response to the situation was here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7492889

So no, I'm not for killing them all and letting God sort it out.

I do wanna see them all arrested and punished to the fullest extent of the law for armed trespass on Federal property.

[GGJohn]

34. Agreed. eom.

[Igel]

33. So the OWS should have been rounded up at gunpoint?

Possibly their tents taken out by drones?

How about other protests?

Student sit-ins?

One wrong doesn't justify another. "You punished people I liked and supported, and that was unfair. So to ensure justice and peace and fairness, you and everybody else in positions of authority have to be unfair to everybody else in perpetuity. Without exception and no making mistakes and overlooking anybody."

That makes zero-tolerance thinking look enlightened.

[one_voice]

49. You keep saying 'two wrongs make it right'...

stop for two seconds and think of the frustration and anger that some are feeling at the in your face double standards. People were gassed, shot with rubber bullets, etc at the previous mentioned protests--unarmed I might add--and these guys are getting a fucking pass. They're breaking the law.

You keep saying violence isn't the answer--no maybe it isn't--but you and everyone else telling people to...shush it's being handled appropriately--is insulting, dismissive and condescending. They have a right to their anger and frustration and to express it without being told they're sick or wrong.

My first reaction was treat them exactly as you would if they were Muslim. But I think you know that would be a violent reaction...and that's the problem; The. fucking. double. standard. that's pissing everyone off.

I'm pissed. I'm sick of certain groups of people---armed white people,--being treated differently than other people--unarmed brown/black people. SICK. TO. FUCKING. DEATH. OF. IT.

So yeah, I will vent in anger, that doesn't necessarily mean I want a building full of people blown up. I do, however want some action taken, they're breaking the law.

I'd appreciate being able to vent my feelings without someone coming along telling me how wrong I am, how sick I am, or all the other things being said because my first reaction wasn't for a peaceful resolution for the fucking terrorists. Fuck. Them.

[one_voice]

56. Yes, it is a discussion board..

which is why I told you how much your 'discussion' was insulting etc.

Which I was entitled to do. I was trying to discuss, you felt the need to be rude. Your way or the highway. You apparently don't know how a discussion board works.

Bye now & Happy New Year.

edited to add & choose better words.

[one_voice]

59. No, my opinion isn't in the minority.

Apparently you didn't read my comment. Don't put untrue words in my mouth.

You keep saying violence isn't the answer--no maybe it isn't

Reading comprehension must not be your strong suit.

edited to add this:

So yeah, I will vent in anger, that doesn't necessarily mean I want a building full of people blown up. I do, however want some action taken, they're breaking the law.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7494149

[one_voice]

63. WTF?!?! Did you even read what I wrote?

or did you just put your own spin on it? Yeah, I was pissed at the lack of coverage and action.

Here's my post in it's entirety..

You keep saying 'two wrongs make it right'...

stop for two seconds and think of the frustration and anger that some are feeling at the in your face double standards. People were gassed, shot with rubber bullets, etc at the previous mentioned protests--unarmed I might add--and these guys are getting a fucking pass. They're breaking the law.

You keep saying violence isn't the answer--no maybe it isn't--but you and everyone else telling people to...shush it's being handled appropriately--is insulting, dismissive and condescending. They have a right to their anger and frustration and to express it without being told they're sick or wrong.

My first reaction was treat them exactly as you would if they were Muslim. But I think you know that would be a violent reaction...and that's the problem; The. fucking. double. standard. that's pissing everyone off.

I'm pissed. I'm sick of certain groups of people---armed white people,--being treated differently than other people--unarmed brown/black people. SICK. TO. FUCKING. DEATH. OF. IT.

So yeah, I will vent in anger, that doesn't necessarily mean I want a building full of people blown up. I do, however want some action taken, they're breaking the law.

I'd appreciate being able to vent my feelings without someone coming along telling me how wrong I am, how sick I am, or all the other things being said because my first reaction wasn't for a peaceful resolution for the fucking terrorists. Fuck. Them.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7494149



Let's do this one more time....some people vent....I did. Yeah my first reaction was do to them what you'd do if they were Muslim/black/brown skinned people. If you think that's violence then you're proving my point and the RIGHTEOUS anger that many have. The double standards have got to stop, both LEO and the media.

Yes, I do want some action to be taken. I want them arrested. They are breaking the law. The Feds need to do their fucking job and arrest them.

They get no special treatment. End. of. story.

[GGJohn]

64. Ok, then I apologize and will retract my post. eom.

[one_voice]

67. It's cool. It's a discussion board..

we discussed and worked it out.

edited to add: you didn't need to delete your comments. they were fine. misunderstanding that's all.

[GGJohn]

68. Already deleted, to me, that was the right and honorable thing to do.

You have a great Sunday.

[malaise]

58. That effin' simple

There are two standards - and we know why

[malaise]

40. Thanks for this

Keep it real indeed

[GGJohn]

62. Yes, there is, but that doesn't justify doing what some here are advocating. eom.

[MohRokTah]

18. That's the same coddling attitude that let them get away with the standoff at the Bundy Ranch.

Shit, under that logic, FREE LAND AND BUILDINGS FOR THE TAKING ALL OVER THE COUNTRY!!!!!

Unless, of course, you are not white.

[GGJohn]

19. So, again, you're all for escalating the situation to satisfy your bloodlust?

Why are you so eager to see bloodshed?

[MohRokTah]

20. The situation was already escalated by the terrorists.

It's time to end the situation.

[GGJohn]

22. Have they taken any hostages? NO,

Have they shot at anyone? NO.
Yet you would escalate the situation to ensure that there would be shooting and people, including Federal agents, dying to satisfy some sort of bloodlust you seem to have.

That is some sick thinking right there.

[MohRokTah]

28. They took over a federal building.

That was the situation escalation.

Time for them to leave.

[GGJohn]

30. SO FUCKING WHAT THEY TOOK OVER A FEDERAL BUILDING?

It's an empty building.
Who have they hurt so far?
So far, all we've got legally is B&E and Trespassing, you think that deserves the death penalty?
What the fuck is the matter with you?

[MohRokTah]

45. It was empty because of the holiday weekend.

Time for them to be removed is NOW!

[GGJohn]

47. Was it occupied when they broke into it?

NO.
It was an empty building.

[Hoyt]

52. GG, give us a break. You carry gunz, train to shoot people, have enough gunz to arm this bunch, . .

Talk about "bloodlust."

[GGJohn]

54. You just can't help yourself Hoyt.

The vast majority of my firearms are of historical value, not for shooting, as has been explained to you before, so the only conclusion I can come to is that you're lying again.
I don't train to shoot people, I train to shoot food, deal with it.

[Lizzie Poppet]

66. GDS...

[Nye Bevan]

11. Do you see Waco as a good model for handling this type of thing?

Or do you think that perhaps we have learned some lessons from that siege?

[2naSalit]

13. Hopefully we have learned

something from the Waco event... we do have better tools for this now, like drones. I don't like the idea of drones but they are already in use, this would be an appropriate deployment issue. If the drones were used to take out the supplies they hauled in with them and the road blocked to keep additional idiots from joining them, flushing them out would be more workable. They came ready to hunker down for quite a while so getting rid of the supplies is essential... it's not just food, generators, water... it's also a lot of ammo which needs to be made useless immediately.

[NutmegYankee]

24. There is no way to take out the supplies with a drone that doesn't start a firefight.

The blast radius alone from a hellfire missile would kill some of them and would be seen as a government first shot.

[2naSalit]

26. Yes,

that would be the messy part but taking out the supplies is essential to ousting them. They will not be reasoned with, they are adamant about that part... not to mention they lack the mental capacity for such civilized interaction.

I don't know what the answer is, but there better be one and pretty damned quick.

[NutmegYankee]

29. Why not just cut off utilities and surround them?

They may have supplies, but they will use them up. We can blast them with music to interrupt sleep and use other simple tactics to break their will.

There is no reason to create martyrs here. We can get them out without deaths.

[2naSalit]

31. I suspect there will be

casualties because they were denied that last time around down at the Bundy Ranch... they want blood. I agree that there should be no deaths but I don't think this gang of thugs will allow it.

I live in the part of the country where many of these clowns oozed out from and without understanding how they roll, you won't defeat them. Life is pretty cheap out this way, just sayin'.

[NutmegYankee]

35. As long as THEY fire the first shots.

Once they've attacked Federal Employees, the gloves can come off.

[2naSalit]

36. Agreed. nt

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

37. That's a great plan, ...

... as long as you're not one of the Federal Employees that gets shot.

[Nye Bevan]

39. Some seem a bit gung-ho about creating widows and orphans of Federal employees (nt)

[NutmegYankee]

41. I am a Federal Employee.

And just to note, the Army had the same Rules of Engagement. It doesn't mean you have to be shot - but you do want the other side to fire the first shot.

[Nye Bevan]

42. Isn't it better if nobody fires any shots at all? (nt)

[NutmegYankee]

44. That's the main goal. And if you read my posts, that is what I have been advocating.

[NutmegYankee]

43. You don't have to get shot.

If these idiots really want a fight, they will attack vehicles and armor.

[Vinca]

38. In retrospect, I don't think invoking Waco is really valid.

I'm convinced David Koresh had the outcome planned long before the event. At least in this case there do not seem to be any innocent participants so if they decide to burn themselves alive I won't shed any tears.

[MohRokTah]

46. I'd say that it is up to the white Christian terrorists.

They decide if it's another Waco.

[Empowerer]

50. I don't advocate for treating them the way we treat non-whites who engage in similar behavior

Instead we should treat non-whites the way we are treating these people.

[valerief]

51. These are "acceptable terrorists" apparently.

[cali]

61. So not immediately escalating the situation is treating them as "acceptable"?

[LiberalArkie]

53. This crap keeps happening because they do not believe that the Government will ever

attack whites like they will blacks. They believe that they can stand off the U.S. Government with their guns. An example has to be made at some point in time. The FBI was having no luck with the gangsters in the early 20th century until they became heavily armed and started eliminating the enemy.

I don't like that type of action, but there is a time and a place for it.

[Enthusiast]

65. I suspect if black men had done this they would already be dead

[Lizzie Poppet]

69. Probably not, actually.

Not necessarily because of any forbearance on the part of the authorities, but because this situation only became an occupation yesterday. Burns and Harney County don't have the law enforcement manpower to assault these people. They'd lose (and probably lose bad: the buildings in that compound are made of stone and there's open country all around for almost unlimited fields of fire). It's going to take some time to get more combat-capable personnel there, since that's a very isolated part of the state, and it's snowing all over the region right now. Burns' tiny municipal airport is probably out of service in this weather, so it's going to be a long road trip in winter conditions.

[HipChick]

70. This is how White Privilege works.....

12 yr old with toy, gunned down within 2.3 seconds, 150 armed men take over federal building.. Barely a peep

[steve2470]

73. +1 nt

[mwrguy]

71. send in the drones!

[Skittles]

72. black=thugs, brown=terrorists, white=protesters

GET WITH THE PROGRAM, MALAISE

[malaise]

74. LOL

Happy New Year sis

[Skittles]

75. BACK AT YA BABE