150 Armed Militia Members Take Over Federal Building

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150 Armed Militia Members Take Over Federal Building

by Judd Legum at Think Progress

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2016/01/02/3735576/150-armed-militia-members-take-over-federal-building/

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A group of 150 armed militia members have broken into and occupied a federal building in Oregon. The group reportedly includes three sons of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, who had a tense standoff with federal officials in 2014.

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Radical militia members from across the country descended on Harney County, Oregon today to protest the conviction of two local ranchers for arson on federal land. They claim “that the federal government had no authority in Harney County.” The militia occupying the headquarters building at Malheur National Wildlife Refuge is a splinter group from the larger protest. The gambit seems intended “to provoke a standoff with the federal government.”

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In a phone interview with the Oregonian, Ammond Bundy said that “would not rule out violence if law enforcement tries to remove them.” He called the headquarters building “the tool to do all the tyranny that has been placed upon the Hammonds” and said he was “planning on staying…for years.” In a message on Facebook Bundy said he planned on establishing the facility as a base for militia members across the country:



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[bowens43]

1. A drone could take care of this rather quickly......

[mwrguy]

7. He'll yeah

Bombs away!

[rjsquirrel]

88. He'll what?

He will!! No he won't!

[Electric Monk]

10. or simply shut off the power and water, and wait

Here's the LBN thread on this http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141301924

[XemaSab]

22. Give 'em a pallet of olestra-containing chips

and a 5-gallon bucket to shit in.

[daleanime]

31. I like...

the way you think.

[KeepItReal]

32. I'd tactically insert 5lb bags of sugar-free Gummy Bears

No force on Earth can resist.

If you need more proof (and some comedy gold), read the product reviews: http://www.amazon.com/ss/customer-reviews/B008JELLCA

[PADemD]

37. OMG, the reviews are hilarious!

[KeepItReal]

39. WMD's ain't got nothin on these sugary devils

Apparently. I'm too skurd to try them.

[BlueJazz]

63. ..the flatulence., the sounds, like trumpets calling the demons back to Hell...

the stench, like 1,000 rotten corpses vomiting on you..

I threw myself at the toilet..

[GummyBearz]

71. world war 3 was fought inside my stomach and the toilet lost

I lol'd...

[kjones]

73. Damn, that borders on chemical warfare

[underahedgerow]

50. Yes, and ignoring them would be even better! The less attention they receive from any news sources,

and any media, the sooner they'll tuck their tails up and wander away.

Jam their communications systems, cut off any access to email, mobile phones, etc.

I'm sure they have generators, but soon enough, even the fuel for that will run out. Cut off food and water supply sources and the rats will leave the ship within a couple weeks, especially if no one is paying any attention to them.

[jberryhill]

2. It's okay, they're white

[applegrove]

3. I know eh? They seem to not be too afraid fo running around with guns.

[BlueCaliDem]

62. Makes me wonder what they would've done had the Black Panthers pulled an armed stunt like this.

Do you think they'd ask them nicely to abandon the building?

[kwassa]

4. Here is this important building.

they fit 150 people in this? the headquarters building at Malheur National Wildlife Refuge

[pintobean]

6. Looks more comfortable than

tents in a city park.

[gratuitous]

5. Gee, I hope none of these fine citizens are arrested

Just keep leaving them be, I'm sure they'll get all tuckered out and go home eventually. They won't be emboldened by a lack of response from law enforcement and decide to go further next time.

[elmac]

42. the Feds just need to cut off their WiFI, jam their phones

they wouldn't last a day.

[exboyfil]

8. You know MOVE was bombed in Philadelphia for

the same type of protest. Wonder if the Feds would do the same to this group. Didn't think so.

The Feds should use tear gas at a minimum.

[Downwinder]

16. If it were AIM.

[exboyfil]

19. How about treating them like the native Americans at 1890 Wounded Knee

[ryan_cats]

9. Has

Has Cliven paid his pasture fees yet?

I see his kids are a chip off the old blockhead.

[saltpoint]

11. Sounds like Cliven Bundy's brood

are afoot in this sedition.

Somehow, that gives this a reality tv feel.

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They claim “that the federal government had no authority in Harney County.”

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I think those occupying that building are soon to be dispelled of that claim.

[lpbk2713]

12. Dumbasses

They could think of nothing better to do with their Saturday night.

[stevenleser]

13. Feds should surround the building, cut off water, electricity and heat and wait for them to come out

And then arrest them and load up as many charges as possible.

[mucifer]

27. I'd rather they use tear gas.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

78. Yep. Erect a giant chain link fence and let them stew in their own juices.

[stevenleser]

79. Or freeze in them in this case. It was 4 degrees there last time I checked. nt

[DisgustipatedinCA]

14. Novel idea: CDC should set up a mobile ebola testing tent next door, post haste. nt

[onehandle]

15. Gun culture has no clue what is coming thanks to their actions.

Terrorists of a feather...

[LuvNewcastle]

17. Turn up the rap music.

[glinda]

18. Sadly they are in a Refuge. The two men they are defending destroyed environment

so this is very dire situation since they could just burn it and murder wildlife. I hope that they are stopped before they kill several animals to eat. These people are unstable. I think drones need to be brought in and starting at the perimeters herd them into the building then smoke it. If our government does nothing then they sanction this crap.

[1939]

86. Should we do this to college protesters

Taking over government buildings? We could have wiped out a lot of protesters back in the 1960s.

[saltpoint]

20. These folks should be sent 150

copies of Joseph Conrad's Heart of Darkness.

Maybe form a book discussion group.

[putitinD]

29. I doubt any of them can read

[saltpoint]

30. : ) eom

[ohnoyoudidnt]

67. they can blast an audio book version at them.

[saltpoint]

68. An endless loop of Allen Ginsberg's "Howl"

would be edifying, I think. Pretty safe guess that not too many of the 150 armed terrorists have heard that poem.

High time they did.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

21. easy fix - bring in the fire fighting helicopters

drop a load of water on the hour every hour until they give up or freeze

[catnhatnh]

23. Set up a perimeter...

Then lay out the consequences. "You are now each guilty of breaking and entering and trespassing. Those who leave now will be disarmed and given a summons to appear. You have 3 hours. Those who remain will face arrest and detention when they leave the building. Power and water are in the process of being cut as are phone lines and a cellular jamming system has been activated. Legal advisors are researching terrorism statutes to determine maximum penalties. No supplies will be allowed to enter the perimeter nor will the building be assaulted. Accounting advisors are at work totaling the cost of containing the situation and you will be assessed these costs upon conviction. Have a nice day!"

[moondust]

25. That should do it.

As long as they don't have any hostages.

[whathehell]

84. How about finding a way to express

yourself.that doesn't insult women?

[lpbk2713]

24. Probably not one of them thought to bring any beer.

... so look for them to break it up soon.

[saltpoint]

26. Mike Huckabee will likely fly

out there post haste to stand by these folks.

Huckabee has always had a soft spot for scofflaws.

[elmac]

51. My guess would be the Canadian Senator pretending to be from TX

he would want to prove he is an all American nut job just like them.

[saltpoint]

54. Yep. They may both show up at

the front door, flowers and chocolates in hand.

[keithbvadu2]

58. Huckabee has a soft spot for child molesters

like Josh Duggar and Ted Nugent.

They would be welcome in the militia camp.

[saltpoint]

61. Ol' Huck seems to have made

quite a few poor strategic choices this time around.

He won Iowa in a long ago time. He's kind of being blown out of the water this cycle, though.

[RandySF]

28. There can be no clearer sign that they're white

Than the simple fact no one's been shot.

[lindysalsagal]

33. Here's hoping CNN gets there before Sarah Palin.

[saltpoint]

34. Music torture is a consideration.

That way, there's no bloodshed and there's historical precedence for its effectiveness.

Noriega surrendered after Van Halen's "Panama" was played repeatedly and very loudly. In that case, the song choice appeared thematic. But it doesn't have to be.

There's any number of completely abominable recordings which, if played on an endless cycle at high volume, could break up this militia bunch.

Paul Anka's "Having My Baby" should be considered, IMO.

[Katashi_itto]

44. I would use the ultimate song below. Beware, Do not listen lightly to this.

[saltpoint]

48. LOL. That just has to be on the

playlist, definitely.

It's disturbing that the singer looks like he's enjoying the experience.

[elmac]

55. That may be classified as WMD

[Hulk]

75. Sweet jebus, is that a language?

Crank it up and blast them out with 24/7 until the come out screaming.

[saltpoint]

76. Exactly. I doubt I could last more than

a quarter of an hour, if that.

[EX500rider]

52. I'd say torture them with "Barbie Girl" by Aqua-very loud & on repeat...

[XemaSab]

53. Excellent choice

[saltpoint]

60. : ) That tune would really hit the

terrorists' spot and would likely produce a swift surrender.

[Katashi_itto]

35. Have we opened fire on them yet?

They are terrorists. Deal with them.
Play this.

[mucifer]

36. Interesting the way the NYTimes is reporting on it

The online story isn't major. It just says that after they had a protest they occupied the building and the title of the article is : "Oregon Ranchers Will Return to Prison, Angering Far-Right Activists"

Seems like a mess because the ranchers they are supporting don't want their support. They want to do as little time in prison as possible.

They will be fox news heros 24/7

[elmac]

38. I didn't know the Koch brother had their own military

protected by the constitution and Fox news.

[SoapBox]

40. ...just fuck'n nut jobs.

Arrest their worthless asses.

[doc03]

41. Let me guess what side Faux News comes down on,

I would say in this case it will be the terrorists.

[shadowmayor]

43. Music Bombs

No more drones or bombs or idiot talk please? Waco is a prime example of doing the wrong violent thing. Patience is all that's required. Martyrs only make the base dig in.

I'm for Pat Boone at 120 dBs around the clock.

[saltpoint]

45. Pat Boone would be an excellent choice.

And/or that song whose chorus goes "Yummy Yummy Yummy I've Got Love In My Tummy."

Hard to beat lyrics like that.

[pinboy3niner]

57. Along with 'It's a Small World'

Disney has had to pay damages to people who've gotten stuck on the ride with the music loop still playing.

[XemaSab]

59. Submitted for your approval:

http://www.avclub.com/article/david-lynch-on-why-he-hates-its-a-small-world-100241

[flamingdem]

46. It's duh caliphate

good ole boy style

[rpannier]

47. Shoot them

Leave none of them alive

[keithbvadu2]

56. Block the road(s) and

put spike strips around so they can't go off road either in or out.

Tear gas all around if they get out of their vehicles.

Doubtful if they have many, if any, gas masks.

Snipers can shoot tires before they can build up speed so not much danger there.

Wait 'em out.

No one leaves without hands up.

Drop tear gas from high altitude on the building.

Tear gas qt night with some super quiet small planes.

All kinds of fun without violence.

[MineralMan]

89. Tow all of their pick-em-up trucks to the nearest

junkyard with a crusher, then bring back the cubes of smashed metal and built a barricade to protect law enforcement.

[aikoaiko]

64. Hopefully the Feds will handle it better than the Bundy-Bunkerville fiasco, but also better than...

...the Koresh-Waco tragedy.

I understood why the Feds backed off Bundy but there needs to be consequences. I don't think the Feds will be backing off this incident.

[jmowreader]

65. No, kids. Blowing their shit away is exactly what these nutbags want

These asshats are LOOKING - actively - for a reason to start a shooting war against the government. If the government were to take any action to forcibly remove them from this building, that would do it.

My recommendation: close all the roads leading into this place, so they can't bring food in. Allow anyone who wants to leave to do so, but they can't come back in. Start playing Ozzy albums really loudly to chase off all the wildlife, so they can't poach meat. Shut off the water and power feeding the building, and dam any streams in the vicinity. Eventually they WILL come out - they will have no choice.

And as much as it angers me to say it, just let them go on home. Because no one will be "martyred for the cause" (their ultimate endgame) and no one will be "jailed as a political prisoner" (which would be nearly as good), the whole thing will be a failure in their eyes.

[mucifer]

70. But, there needs to be an acknowledgement that that would never happen if it was

a radical black movement instead of a radical white movement. The two shouldn't be treated differently.

[jmowreader]

72. Dude, seriously: How many "radical" black movements are there?

The cops need to stop shooting members of black movements. We agree on that. But the only "radical" movements I've seen in the last five to ten years are full of people about as white as that piece of toilet paper in your hand was before you wiped your Falwell with it - namely, the sovereign citizens I've been watching for several years.

[quaker bill]

85. "looking" is an understatement and incorrect

"Attempting to start" a shooting war against the government would be more on point. If the government does not act to remove these folks from the building, they will simply take it up another notch.

At some point, maybe this is it, maybe not, these folks will have to be shown that 200 guys and their collection of shiny pop guns is no threat to the government, not even a little threat. Anything less will simply embolden the second amendment fantasy that is entertained by many of the gun show crowd. It would be best if no one died in the process, but that outcome seems unlikely.

Simply holding back on the use of force feeds the fantasy that their collection of shiny pop guns gives them "freedom" and makes them powerful. At some point, this delusion will have to be addressed and the amount of force needed to bring an end to it will only grow over time if unattended.

I am a pacifist and oppose the use of deadly force by either side. That said, this whole situation, viewed more broadly as a social phenomenon, is likely to escalate until it is decisively brought to a halt. However it is done, their surrender needs to be prompt and unconditional.

[quaker bill]

87. a creative use of non-lethal force

would be the most fun to watch.

[Hekate]

66. Should have been arrested back at the Ranch.

Oh lord, this is bad.

[Yallow]

69. What Is There To Say

If they are breaking a law arrest them.

If they resist, treat them like all people resisting arrest.

Wait them out until they surrender.

Equal justice, or no justice.

[Angel Martin]

77. If they are breaking a law arrest them...

like illegal immigrants are arrested ?

Maybe the Bundy's and the other kooks involved in this think that federal trespassing law is enforced like immigration law ?

If it's like illegal immigration, they will all be granted "amnesty" and get to keep the building.

[tkmorris]

80. What the actual fuck are you talking about?

I have zero tolerance for ignorance these days. Just absolutely zero.

[saltpoint]

81. These sound to me like locals --

gun-toting guvmint-defying self-important shit-for-brains domestic terrorists.

Haven't seen anything at all about any of them being from out-of-country.

[Hoyt]

74. It's time we treat these ignorant racist gun nuts like the terrorists they are.

[DeadLetterOffice]

82. "Militia" my ass. White conservative insurgents.

AKA domestic terrorists.

[struggle4progress]

83. Used to be you could set fires anywhere, and nobody would give you any grief. But just try setting

a few forest fires nowadays without getting a prison sentence! What's become of my country? This is like living in the Soviet gulag! Why, it's getting so you can hardly threaten to shoot federal agents anymore!

[MohRokTah]

90. This is a direct result of coddling these terrorists in Nevada.

Bring in federal troops and blow all 150 away.

They are terrorists on American soil. Enemy combatants.

Time to treat them that way. They wanted war, give it to them.