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You should be so proud of yourself. Hope no one gets killed because of you, asshole.
Trump then appears in a clip from a stump speech, saying, "Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what the [censored] is going on." The crowd enthusiastically cheers Trump's words.
Al-Awlaki again appears, lecturing viewers that "the West will eventually turn against its Muslim citizens." He goes on to say that American Muslims have two choices: "You either leave or you fight." Al-Awlaki extols Nidal Hasan, the U.S. Army psychiatrist who killed 13 people at Fort Hood in 2009.
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pipoman
(16,038 posts)I hate Muslim terrorists. Fuck anyone who would limit speech in the US to appease the enemy of the US...weak cowards do stupid shit like that.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)However, when lives are on the line, it is somewhat polite to not risk them. Plus, I'm also freedom of religion, so hey, have a word and practice freely, I say.
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)And it's not like Islamic terrorists aren't already killing people.
Laurian
(2,593 posts)measuring a potential leader's ability to navigate diplomatically and successfully in a turbulent world. Running off at the mouth to inspire the least knowledgable and most intolerant among us is not the mark of a leader.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)Also, to have a potential leader openly declare that he would ignore the Constitution, and have people support that is quite disappointing. And this is coming from me, someone who definitely isn't fond of any organized religion. I do at least have a sense enough to try respect people's faith.
This has nothing to do with free speech. I'm absolutely for free speech, and don't mind hateful rhetoric, but that doesn't shield him from my opinion of his views and words.
It cuts both ways.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)There is balance between passive and aggressive and it isn't passive-aggressive....especially when dealing with this enemy.
Jarqui
(10,130 posts)Laws addressing defamation and hate speech that curtail some freedom of speech exist for a good reason - when speech hurts others.
"They must consider that great responsibility follows inseparably from great power. " Voltaire
Free speech is a great and powerful thing. With it should come some responsibility.
I'm certainly against hate speech when it gets someone killed.
I strongly suspect some innocent Americans will die at the hands of terrorists inspired to act in retaliation of Trump's words. Sad but probably close to as likely as Hillary's concern that Trump words would be used in a recruiting video for terrorists.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)The obvious distinction lies with someone irrationally reacting to my words with violence against someone....and me inciting someone into an act of violence. The former is the complete and total responsibility of the irrational murdering killer, the latter is the responsibility if the incitor.
Goading doesn't justify irrational unacceptable behavior.
Jarqui
(10,130 posts)If the US overthrow a few of their leaders over decades and screw with their lives or drone some of their family members and then an asshole like Trump says stuff like he did, it's not just Trump's words they're irrationally reacting to. Trump reminds them of other injustices or the fight the Muslims have with US foreign policy.
You can take a nice dog, tie him up and abuse him. Eventually, he'll turn mean and bite back.
If we look at the Protestants vs Catholics in Ireland, both sides could debate which injustice started the fight. By the time I plugged into it, it had been going on so long, nobody would pin it down with certainty or the other side would have a different take on it. The conflict in the middle east doesn't seem much different to me.
If one doesn't want terrorist problems, smart behavior is to not to provoke them like Trump did. Like the tied up mean dog, they can bite back.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)Speech rights. This includes drawing and publishing cartoons of child molesting Mohammed....
Jarqui
(10,130 posts)America's speech rights.
We limit them for defamation. We limit them for hate speech.
I don't think "drawing and publishing cartoons of child molesting Mohammed" does a lot of good for this world - particularly when it can result in a bunch of American dead innocent women and children.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)There are no hate speech laws in the U.S., thankfully.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)for the watershed moment that will signal his exit from the campaign.
KT2000
(20,587 posts)at foreign diplomacy.Fail. Someone needs to ask him who he will send to fight the wars he stirs up.
Brother Buzz
(36,463 posts)KT2000
(20,587 posts)the apple does not fall far from the tree. Can't we revoke their citizenship or something?
B Calm
(28,762 posts)using his anti Muslim message as a recruiting tool.
GoCubsGo
(32,093 posts)If anyone gets killed, he'll just blame President Obama for it. As will everyone else in his scum-of-the-Earth party.
spanone
(135,874 posts)philosslayer
(3,076 posts)We should all be careful about what we say. "Free Speech" has consequences when abused, and its something we all need to be mindful of.
GummyBearz
(2,931 posts)They could fill in the blank with any racist making a speech and serve their needs. Thankfully trump will never be president and his horrible ideas will never be implemented... but ISIS and their like will keep up jihad against us infidels all the same.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)And they could pull off some stunts to frighten the people into voting for him.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,365 posts)ISIS/AlQaeda would never have thought of using Trump video until Clinton suggested it. She is obviously another great recruiter for terrists.
Is this election season over yet?
demwing
(16,916 posts)is a good guy with a big mouth.
You don't restrict free speech because of hate speech. You double the positive free speech and drown out the assholes.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)Now even more people are paying attention to him.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)instead Republicans will want trillion dollar fly swatters.
Gothmog
(145,558 posts)Words have consequences and Trump refuses to understand this simple concept