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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsRussell Brand said it perfectly: You'd think if Jesus was that concerned about homosexuality
You'd think if Jesus was that concerned about homosexuality he had the perfect opportunity to address the issue in his top ten dos and don'ts.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)read Number 5:11-33 if you want to know what God thinks of abortion. You might be pleasantly surprised.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)status of the times. God if he is a father would never choose among his children who should die and who should live. A father loves his children and wants their best. I think that a lot of fuckers do bad things and use God as a shield. God is not in the middle of war or hatred in MO. I think that we are alone them. We are the architects of our own misery. God teaches love and caring. People who say otherwise are just showing their own psychopathic BS.
IMHO.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)And that's the best description I've ever seen of what you mention: a lot of fuckers do bad things and use God as a shield.
bulloney
(4,113 posts)I consider it an accurate description when you read things like a 600 year old man building a boat large enough to carry two of every species of animals on the planet; people conversing with a snake; a man spending 3 days in the belly of a fish (whale?) and survived; that an all-knowing god knew enough to create a male and female of every species except his own and supposedly put the man to sleep and created a female version from his rib, and on and on.
Human101948
(3,457 posts)Never married. Hung out and partied with a dozen other guys. Do I need to say more?
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)It seems Ms. M was a lady who had a very close relationship with God's kid. Later on, when the approved versions of the Gospels were chosen she was saddled with a rep as a harlot, etc., which might have been total crap. We'll never know since the stuff we read today was put out about a couple of centuries after JC bought the farm. All the eyewitnesses were just so much dust by then.
Another question might be did Christ ever masturbate? He was supposed to be a man, after all, as well as God. It would appear he would have gone through puberty sometime before he was thirty. As all guys can testify, the only people who claim they never masturbated are liars.
Lots of questions to be asked. No reason to care one way or another.
People who claim Christ condemns gays, or masturbators, or Republicans, are just looking for justification, not validation. Keep in mind the Words of Obama: If I walked on water, the Republicans would say I can't swim.
Everyone should live their lives and let God sort 'em out in the end.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,362 posts)since he wasn't born yet.
And there is a bit about coveting thy neighbor's ass, whatever that meant.
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,869 posts)And has always existed along with God the Father and the Holy Spirit.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)The concept of the Holy Trinity was developed centuries after the death of Jesus out of a political need to deify Christ. The biblical evidence against the concept of the Holy Trinity is actually pretty overwhelming. Not even all Christians believe in it.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)the Trinity so that the Christian Bishops would stop their squabbles. Not sure how Holy that is.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)too bad she was married
Rex
(65,616 posts)People back then were more worried about property rights, slave ownage and other chattel. Looking back on the 10 commandments, one could say they are the largest failure in western civilization.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)entire religions pretend that Jesus said 'Call me Holy Father and the rest of them just Father while constantly praying out loud so everyone can hear you, it's better if people can hear how holy you are, God listens more if you have a TV audience'.
The Rick Warren Oath Prayer show. Had they followed Jesus' orders they'd not swear any oath at all because Jesus forbade them, hold no public prayer to consecrate this forbidden oath because public prayer is also forbidden. But they did all this, this honor to an anti gay preacher, in the name of Jesus who said not to do any of it at all and had nothing against gay people. He said anyone who prays in public is a hypocrite. He said oaths come from evil. So they pray on TV and take an oath 'for Jesus' while claiming gay people are the heathen.
saturnsring
(1,832 posts)The Lord's Prayer
5"When you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they may be seen by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full. 6"But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you. 7"And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words.
saturnsring
(1,832 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Jebus, his daddy, and the holy poltergeist are totally the same entity even though there's no unedited reference to the Trinity in the canonical gospels (there was one unauthorized reference to the Holy Trinity inserted centuries later). The suggestion that Christianity isn't actually a monotheist religion would have gotten you burned at the stake for heresy not all that long ago.
whatthehey
(3,660 posts)NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)All he had to say was "god" instead of Jesus and he'd had a better joke.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)list to include 'don't be gay'. He had years to do so. He couldn't take ten minutes away from making water into wine to get it said? The Sermon on the Mount is pages long, blessed are these, blessed are those but not one blessed word about 'those people'.
I often think modern Christianity is an active reversal of the things Jesus suggested, most of which Christians really don't like. Sell what you own and give it to the poor. As if!
saturnsring
(1,832 posts)because they are not so poor but I will be poor so the newly not-so-poor will have to give me what I gave them making them poor again and me not-so-poor so now I have to give it to them which will make them not-so-poor
GeorgeGist
(25,322 posts)not funny.
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)also condemned all the religious hypocrites, priests and their political power structure.
I know you're no hypocrite, dixiegrrrrl. Below is a gift for all that love the truth and despise hypocrisy.
Chapter 21-Omaha
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016139460
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Mark 14:51-52
Just sayin'.
uriel1972
(4,261 posts)Make of that what you will...
It's in the BOOK go read it if you don't believe me.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)I guess parts of the new testament are a homo-erotic thriller.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)uriel1972
(4,261 posts)Enquiring minds want to know.
wickerwoman
(5,662 posts)Guessing
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)Coventina
(27,161 posts)What Brand should have said is that if Jesus was worried about homosexuality he would have been married and quit hanging out with a homo-social group of guys.
whatthehey
(3,660 posts)padfun
(1,787 posts)They will smite you if you continue.
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)Quite apart from the authorship of the 10 commandments, Jesus came from a culture where homosexuality was near-universally considered wicked.
As Russell Brand says, if he'd disagreed strongly with that, he'd have said something about it.
Since he didn't, it's a fairly safe assumption that he agreed with everyone else.
wickerwoman
(5,662 posts)In Roman culture, as long as you were on top it was fine. It was just taking the "girl" part that opened you up for ridicule. There were no Classical gods that considered homosexuality "evil" in the sense that modern evangelicals mean it. It's just an undesirable quality like being bald, fat or having a stutter.
And the Greeks thought homosexuality between men was a positive virtue that developed intellect and character. Many of the Near Eastern courts practiced Greek customs and had both boys and girls in harems.
uriel1972
(4,261 posts)There was a powerful social move against such practices at the time as being "Foreign/Greek"
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Why not really, no. Same for the Greeks. The Greeks had left Helleistic Judaism which was a form that much like today's paradigms, did not see religious laws as appropriate in secular society while the more traditional Judaism was into that rule by the book.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)you think he didn't mean that literally? That gay neighbors were implicitly excluded from that statement?
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)My guess is that Jesus thought homosexuality was a sin, just like adultery.
He opposed the stoning of the woman taken in adultery, but he also said to her "go forth and sin no more".
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)Clearly wasn't a concern of his.
uriel1972
(4,261 posts)were enough to settle the matter.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Also, a great deal of Jesus material revolved around his views on 'The Law' of Moses and he is recorded as being asked many questions about those laws, in rather great detail.
So just like when God the First made the Top Ten Lists, the whole gay thing just did not make the cut in the Jesus letters. He got around to saying you can get your sheep out of a ditch on the Sabbath, very pressing issue to all persons. He managed to take a view opposed to Moses on divorce which he forbade, and remarriage which he called prostitution. However he never got around to 'the gay'. Could have. Didn't. Nor did Big Daddy Sinai with his Desert Island Do's and Don'ts.
uriel1972
(4,261 posts)Two are The Laws and Commandments of God, which are similar and number ten each and are commanly thought of as the "Ten Commandments", but not labeled as such.
However, there is a third titled The Ten Commandments, which is mostly concerned with ritual/belief.
Just a FYI
mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)I love seeing the morons sporting their Leviticus quoting tats.
I keep resisting the temptation to ask them if they know what irony is.
I don't particularly dislike homosexuals. I do dislike stupid people, however.
Oh, and Republicans...
sarge43
(28,942 posts)however, he did say he had come not to abolish the law, but to fulfill it (Matt 5:17). To him the law was the Torah, first five book of the Bible which includes Leviticus 18:22 "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)Anyway, I don't think he even existed and if he did, then most of what is attributed to what he said or did was made up.
uriel1972
(4,261 posts)and that this would only be a matter of academic interest, if only people weren't trying to run countries and legal systems based on what this probably fictitious person wants.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)And they're very selective in deciding what this fictitious person wanted, accepting some things, totally ignoring others.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)Question is what exactly was he? A prophet? A preacher? Son of God? Many believe different things.
uriel1972
(4,261 posts)You think he existed. I don't.
I have my reasons, as I'm sure you do for your position.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)Have a great night.
uriel1972
(4,261 posts)It's just that when these things come up, they can get pretty heated and I was trying to stop a potential flare-up before it started.
sarge43
(28,942 posts)If he didn't exist, then what's your point? If he existed, as practicing Jew there was only one law for him and would have been the Torah. He certainly didn't mean Roman law.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)And stepped in to prevent someone from being stoned to death.
Definitely a few contrasts between Christianity and certain other religions.
Roy Rolling
(6,928 posts)There's nothing more informative than a meme by Russell Brand sharing his deep knowledge of religion, followed up by vigorous debate by the religious experts on DU. Case closed.
uriel1972
(4,261 posts)No need for a discussion board then.
Our local expert on all things has spoken. Case closed.
Yavin4
(35,445 posts)Damn thing shits every where and is fucking loud. You'd think that NYC wouldn't allow oxen in a residential bldg, but you'd be wrong.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)uriel1972
(4,261 posts)He'd have mentioned it?
frizzled
(509 posts)It doesn't matter a damn what the Bible says, and anyone with more leisure time than you can construct some half-assed argument against yours.