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onehandle

(51,122 posts)
Fri Dec 25, 2015, 10:22 PM Dec 2015

Pope Francis Rebukes Consumerism In Christmas Eve Mass

VATICAN CITY (AP) — In his Christmas Eve homily Thursday, Pope Francis noted the simplicity of Jesus' birth as he rebuked what he called societies' intoxication with consumerism, pleasure, abundance and wealth.

Christians around the world joyfully prepared to recall the birth of Jesus. But in his only public Christmas Mass, in the splendor of St. Peter's Basilica, the pope counter-weighted his joy with a lament for people's excesses and what he described as a "culture of indifference, which not infrequently turns ruthless."

Francis said Jesus "calls us to act soberly, in other words, in a way that is simple, balanced, consistent, capable of seeing and doing what is essential."

Referring to Jesus' birth in a Bethlehem stable, the pope said the child was "born into the poverty of this world; there was no room in the inn for him and his family."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/pope-francis-christmas-mass_567cc648e4b0b958f6595d41

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Pope Francis Rebukes Consumerism In Christmas Eve Mass (Original Post) onehandle Dec 2015 OP
This Citizen Is Unable To Fathom Why Any Citizen Struggles To Understand His Message cantbeserious Dec 2015 #1
+1 nt List left Dec 2015 #2
This Pope libodem Dec 2015 #3
atheist Skittles Dec 2015 #13
Love you sister libodem Dec 2015 #15
Maybe the Pope should read the Bible. former9thward Dec 2015 #4
And from a noble family, too, the House of David, if you accept that interpretation REP Dec 2015 #5
The story is full of symbolism. LuvNewcastle Dec 2015 #7
So true... SoLeftIAmRight Dec 2015 #12
Pope Francis makes effective use saltpoint Dec 2015 #6
That bull down by Wall Street mikehiggins Dec 2015 #8
Anyone who can stand in St Peter's and lecture others about displays of excessive Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #9
excellent point. niyad Dec 2015 #10
agreed Skittles Dec 2015 #14
All the TV said was it is not too late to buy... SoLeftIAmRight Dec 2015 #11

former9thward

(32,082 posts)
4. Maybe the Pope should read the Bible.
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 12:48 AM
Dec 2015

Jesus was not born of poverty. He was born of a skilled labor father. The only reason he was in a stable was because the government has commanded people pay taxes as as result of a census and there was no room at that location. The middle class did not exist at that time but Jesus was born into a well to do family of that time.

REP

(21,691 posts)
5. And from a noble family, too, the House of David, if you accept that interpretation
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 12:55 AM
Dec 2015

But I never expect Christians to know their own mythology (referring to Pope Frankie McDreamy Photo-Op).

LuvNewcastle

(16,856 posts)
7. The story is full of symbolism.
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 01:07 AM
Dec 2015

Jesus's birth didn't literally happen that way. It's all about establishing the divinity of Jesus and foreshadowing his ministry.

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
6. Pope Francis makes effective use
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 01:02 AM
Dec 2015

of the Luke narrative in service of his larger point about greed and materialism, which in the past he has likened to "the Devil's dung," and about the "culture of indifference," which he says can move swiftly to brutality.

We don't know anything about the people in this narrative except from the narrative itself, and some many people have suggested that it is a story with larger points as opposed to a "news account" of actual events.

I personally think it's a beautiful story. But I don't think it's an account of actual events.

Francis:

rebuked what he called societies' intoxication with consumerism, pleasure, abundance and wealth.


I wish he had not included 'pleasure.' For centuries the Catholic Church has been seen as anti-pleasure generally and as anti-sexual pleasure particularly. If western societies are "intoxicated" with consumerism, individual world citizens can work to overcome this limit in their own lives and attitudes. They don't have to be anti-pleasure to do this.

mikehiggins

(5,614 posts)
8. That bull down by Wall Street
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 02:02 AM
Dec 2015

The only reason it isn't a golden calf is that it wouldn't take a day for someone to steal it.

Probably be a banker or a hedge fund manager.

A tawdry symbol showing just how right Pope Frank is.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
9. Anyone who can stand in St Peter's and lecture others about displays of excessive
Sat Dec 26, 2015, 09:34 AM
Dec 2015

wealth needs to meditate upon the word 'irony'.

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