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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums"Safe Spaces" are not automatically a bad thing
Some people, because of their identifying characteristics and personalities are more resistant to insults and snark than others. Being part of the prevailing power structure, even if only through skin color and ancestry, can help brush off negativity fairly easily.
OTOH, others are physically, emotionally, and socially weakened. Their lives, their identities, are under insult and attack from bullies who seek to overcome their own feelings of inadequacy by inflicting emotional pain on those they look down upon.
Free speech is a necessity for human development. The world is not, cannot, and should not, be a "safe space". But that does not give the bullies the right to force their viewpoint into every conversation in private venues. And it does not mean caring people cannot criticize the assholes - we have the right to free speech as well.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)Safe spaces are a joke...
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)...but you deaden parts of yourself in the process.
bhikkhu
(10,718 posts)many different things are being referred to here, and "safe spaces" is hardly defined, but one thing I've found over the years is that an open heart grows, while a closed heart withers.
Toughness is usually a way of hiding, a sign of weakness rather than strength. Its too bad that our culture tends to disparage weakness, as it is the weak that need compassion most.
TipTok
(2,474 posts)... by definition.
..and we can grow beyond our weaknesses, with help, or we can hide our weaknesses. Compassion is the greatest tool for growth,
I understand that its possible to talk about many different things using the same words, and the topic of the OP is easily misconstrued. If the heart is in the right place, the words are less important.
PasadenaTrudy
(3,998 posts)In Japan, it is highly regarded. In the US, not so much. Too bad.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)DU is a safe space.
There are plenty of "spaces" online for people to congregate to discuss with like minded individuals. I dont think spaces created on public property are anything more than an excuse to broadcast your viewpoint without any challenge. That is not free speech and I don't think it has a place on public property.
Should safe spaces be created for the KKK?
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)I wouldn't go it it closed or otherwise. Safe paces tend to get boring real quick. Nobody learns anything if they are likeminded. Why bother?
Behind the Aegis
(53,961 posts)Therein lies a major problem with the term "safe spaces." There is one 'group' which has taken it an absurd end (plenty of recent examples) and then there are those who use to better themselves in a safer environment, in many cases, learning about themselves with others like themselves. GLBT groups are a prime example of "traditional" safer space groups. It isn't about not wanting to hear "the other side" it is more about empowerment, learning history, and comradery. Taking over a public commons or a classroom and "demanding" it be a "safe space" is taking "safer spaces" to an extreme It is one thing to not have a professor talking about "fags" or denigrating students for sexual orientation, and demanding all examples in the class use GLBT versions; both are extremes.
FrodosPet
(5,169 posts)I am talking about private conversations that my fellow Caucasian males whine about when they aren't invited.
As well, I am talking about when the people defending the disadvantaged are accused of attacking free speech. I demand my right to call assholes assholes!
Igel
(35,320 posts)Much of the "safe space" rhetoric has involved universities and collective housing. Even the latter still affords safe spaces--when I don't like my neighborhood, when I don't like where I work, I have my home. And within my home, I have space that I retreat into when I don't want to be around family. Always have. This has always been true. I control that space because it's mine. Part of that space's safety is precisely in who's controlling it, leading me to wonder if that's not what it's actually about--intentionally or just because that's the reward/behavior feedback loop that people find themselves in. (A dodder doesn't have to be aware that it's growing towards a food source, much less have intent; it just does.)
What's different is carving out "safe spaces" in public venues. This is an innovation. It's the creation of new safe spaces that compel others that have to navigate those spaces to conform to the dictates of others. Where those spaces are is an on-going process. Today it's one place, one venue. Tomorrow it's another.
What conformity is to be imposed also changes. Today it's one trigger that cannot be mentioned, tomorrow it's how a long-standing term is reinterpreted or newly parsed, the day after that it's something else. Often it's something that's been there straight along, but now that the "truth" about it is salient and offense is taken, conformity and compliance are required--with the implicit assumption that whatever that "something" is has always been offensive, but subliminarlly so. Whatever that something is, one group (sometimes one person) decides for the public in that space what is necessary for it to be safe and even reads that offensiveness back into time and projects it into the attitudes of people who seriously don't know what the new interpretation or reparsing is.
It's contagious among the hyper-authoritarian moralists. I was once called out by a young Millennial for insensitively using the phrase "grammar nazi." "Don't you know there are people who would be offended at using that kind of language, people who suffered at the hands of the Nazis?" I pointed out that it was a metaphor, and, in fact, I personally knew concentration a camp survivor and a woman who had multiple brothers and sisters and an extensive system of aunts and uncles, but who by 1946, when she was put in a NATO concentration camp, was, as far as she could tell to this day, the only remaining child. Because her parents had sent her to a relative, and that relative was rounded up while she was being babysat by a Gentile friend of the relative. Nobody knew that young girl was in the "wrong" town or with that family. In any event, neither the old man with the camp tattoo on his arm nor his wife, who had her family wiped out, had a problem with "grammar nazi."
And we won't even discuss what happened when I told some students, when asked what my family had done over a long weekend, that we had a picnic. The insidious "lynching" Volk etymology had reached deep into their zealot's psyche.
Behind the Aegis
(53,961 posts)However, like too much oxygen or water, safe spaces can also have a downside, even if in principle it is a good idea. There are some who have taken the idea of safe spaces to an absurd extension of its original purpose. The concept is to provide those who have been disenfranchised or in someway abused to find solace with "like" individuals. In many of the universities where I worked, "safe zones" were established to let people, especially the GLBT, know that the person's office (it was usually an office) was a place where they could be themselves without fear of bigotry, revelation, or reprisal.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)There might be retaliative safety and there's is generally room to improve and limit our chances of being harmed either emotionally or physically.
However life is harsh and it really doesn't get easier- nor did anyone ever promise it would be. I personally think that instead of running and hiding in fear of being harmed or demanding that others provide you safety- that it is better to face it and conquer it.
mike_c
(36,281 posts)People who are too emotionally or intellectually fragile to struggle with challenging ideas are simply not ready for higher ed. Or, as I've called it for most of my career, "adult ed."
Behind the Aegis
(53,961 posts)Most, but not all, higher education isn't simply "book learnin'". There are aspects of college and university life where "safer spaces" are an asset, not a liability. It becomes the latter when persons feel/think/believe everywhere should be a designated "safe space." It is unrealistic, counterproductive, and, well, batshit crazy. However, safer spaces do provide an opportunity for some individuals to learn how to find their voices in a world where they may often be relegated to the back of the classroom/bus/office.
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)In a country far more civilized than America, safe spaces wouldn't be needed, as people would be far more civil to each other.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)OneGrassRoot
(22,920 posts)I'm no longer sure what people even mean by "safe spaces" any more. It has become like the phrase "politically correct" -- it means something different to different people.
That said, I read this article yesterday and thought I'd share here:
http://www.yesmagazine.org/people-power/black-activists-are-asking-for-black-only-spaces-heres-why-we-should-respect-that-20151218
In those moments, we are dealing with painful and traumatic issues which can make it hard to perform in front of a camera, Imani Jackson told me in a later interview. Shes a queer activist with Black Youth Project 100, a group that has helped organize many recent protests in Chicago, some of which have included black-only spaces where all nonblack people (activists and journalists alike) are asked to stay away.
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Jackson said activists want safer spaces for processing, grieving, and decompressing at a time when the spectacle of black death broadcast in popular culture can traumatize and retraumatize members of the black community.
And its not just emotionalits strategic. Jackson said there needs to be space to determine media strategy away from the prying cameras and hounding reporters who may capture an off-message, candid statement from someone.
Daemonaquila
(1,712 posts)In principle, I absolutely agree. There are lots of times it's good to have a place for people to get a rest from hurtful BS. However, some people tend to use this term only in regards to academia. I do have a problem with safe spaces in that particular context, if it involves any type of classroom setting.