I have a Missouri driver's license and no passport

[xmas74]

Let's name all the places I won't be able to enter come January 10th!

Who wants to start?

[dlwickham]

1. airport security

[former9thward]

29. Not true.

Congress has extended that for at least a year more.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

53. Missouri license should be ok

Only a few states have "unacceptable" licenses: New York, New Hampshire, Minnesota, Louisiana, or American Samoa.

http://time.com/money/4042896/drivers-license-airport-security-states-passport/

[leftyladyfrommo]

70. Nope. Missouri is one that's not ok.

We're hearing about it on the news. It will work for a while to give people a chance to get what they need.

[eShirl]

2. Why, did something happen with Missouri licenses?

[xmas74]

6. Our state refused compliance with the Real ID Act

and actually passed a law against it, basically saying "Nah, nah, nah, we don't have to do it Feds." Now, as of January 10, our license will no longer be accepted for federal buildings, military installations, etc.

[lpbk2713]

9. Oh that oughtta work real smooth.

Not.





The Show Me State won't have anything verifiable to show.

[xmas74]

18. And I applied for a civiian job on base.

I won't even be able to get on for an interview now.

[FBaggins]

27. Are you ineligible for a passport?

Seems like a simple fix

[xmas74]

32. Not ineligible

but it's ridiculous that my state can't get their shit together.

[cwydro]

28. Get a passport.

It's not that hard.

[me b zola]

54. Many adoptees cannot get a passport, depending on when & where they were born

Most people do not know that we do not have access to our own original birth certificates and this disqualifies some adoptees from receiving a passport. I am 52 yrs old and am in reunion with both sides of my family but by law am not allowed to view/access to my own birth certificate.

[w0nderer]

3. sweden, norway, denmark, finland, iceland

then again them socshulist cuntries..why'd ya'll wanna go thur!??

Happy holidays xmas74

[xmas74]

19. Finland, the land of my people.

I'd love to go there someday.

[tammywammy]

4. DHS had to give notice 120 days ahead of when the Real ID on commercial aircraft will go into effect

As of January 10 it just applies to federal facilities. Do you go to a lot of federal facilities?

[xmas74]

7. I live next to a military base.

I take a friend to the VA for her health care. Supposedly it applies to both.

No air show on base for me this June!

[hfojvt]

11. so do I

I hate going on post though.

To me it is like going into East Berlin.

[xmas74]

15. I'm trying to get a civilian job on base.

I might not be able to get on to even do an interview.

[hfojvt]

45. you should get a passport

even if you don't want to goto Ireland with me.

I had such a hassle getting one that there was no way I was going to let it expire. I love having it, because when they make lists of the ID and papers you need, holding a passport is like having the Ace of trump cards.

[xmas74]

49. There was no reason for me to have one for all those years.

I wouldn't dream of traveling without my kid and I couldn't even leave the state without consent from her father so there was no reason to get a passport. Technically, I can't take her to the Ren Fest in Bonner Springs, KS without his consent.

In a couple of years she'll be of age and we won't have to worry about her father' tantrums over travel ever again.

[tazkcmo]

79. As a Missourian and totally off topic:

Why on earth would you want to go to Kansas? Have you no shame? lol Just joshin' ya although I stand with Stormin' Norm Stuart in never spending any money in Kansas even when I visit my sister who lives in Wyandotte.

"I was 32-33 years old, I was just trying to win a damn ballgame, and I wasn't interested in who was getting the bids except for my tennis shoes: My tennis shoes were going to some damned place in Illinois. And I wanted a local guy to have that."

With a laugh, he added: "Now a game comes up, and I'm over at Kansas, and the reporter says, `I noticed you didn't stay in Lawrence, you stayed over in Kansas City.' Well, it popped in my mind what the Lieutenant Governor had told me, and so I said,`Why, hell no, I'm not staying in Lawrence. I'm not spending a damn dime over here. This is Missouri money.'

"You know, hell, it wasn't really true, but it was something you could play on. And if you guys really asked a good question, then I could avoid it."

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/mizzou/a-stormin-rivalry-stewart-played-up-mizzou-ku-games/article_2d28949b-4b7f-569e-b2a5-a55f509fd461.html

Not actually true (Except for me not spending my money in KS) but it adds flavor to the "friendly" rivalry of Ks v Mo. When I was a bartender in KC, MO I refused requests to tune the bar t.v.'s to KU bb games by telling them "This is Missouri. Kansas is 6 blocks away. Drag your knuckles there."

[xmas74]

81. lol

The kid likes the Ren Fest. She does the whole steampunk thing.

In order to drive over the state line we need permission from her father, even if it's a day trip.

[tammywammy]

43. There's no requirement for ID to enter a hospital.

http://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/isc-real-id-guide-august-2015-508_0.pdf

As there is no requirement to produce a REAL ID Act compliant ID to enter a Federal facility for accessing health or life preserving services (including hospitals and health clinics), law enforcement (including participating in law enforcement proceedings or investigations), participating in constitutionally protected activities (including a defendant’s or spectator’s access to court proceedings, access by jurors or potential jurors), voting or registering to vote, or applying for or receiving Federal benefits, policies developed should not require the visitor to produce an ID for entry.

[xmas74]

44. They were saying on the news that the person receiving treatment

didn't need an ID but anyone accompanying them would need one.

There was a letter issued on Monday to the state and the state announced it today. Everyone is scurrying around because no one knows what will happen next.

I recently applied for a civilian job on base. After Jan 10 I can't get on base without a passport, even if called for an interview.

My child was accepted into a leadership seminar program. Two of the sessions will be held on base, in February and March. She has a state ID but according to this it won't be accepted. I can't get her a passport without her father's consent and he refuses. (We've been through this before when I wanted to find out about a school trip.) The only other way would be to go in front of a judge and it could take a while to set up a date for that. When school is back in session we'll find out whether she'll be able to participate or not.

We weren't granted an extension because the GOP supermajority legislature thumbed their noses at the Feds and actually passed a law that basically stated that they can't be forced to do anything that they don't want to do.

[peacebird]

5. ? What have I missed? Are there new travel document requirements?

[xmas74]

8. Missouri refused to comply with the Real ID Act.

Time's up and they will no longer grant extensions.

[dixiegrrrrl]

13. Sometime next year you will need "enhanced" drivre's licenses

Enhanced drivers licenses make it easier for U.S. citizens to cross the border into the United States because they include

a vicinity Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) chip that will signal a secure system to pull up your biographic and biometric data for the CBP officer as you approach the border inspection booth, and
a Machine Readable Zone (MRZ) or barcode that the CBP officer can read electronically if RFID isn't available.

http://www.dhs.gov/enhanced-drivers-licenses-what-are-they

TPTB have been testing out biometric data use since Iraq invasion, on the Iraqis and I think on Afghanistan people, and, as predicted, they are bringing that tracking ability home to us.
It is all a bit creepy for those of us born before 1990, who grew up with OUR Gov. condemning the way "communist" governments tracked and listed their citizens.

Ever see what information they want for you to get a passport?

[LiberalArkie]

14. "Papers please"

[dixiegrrrrl]

20. Yep.

I find that extraordinarily creepy.
esp. as a Boomer, raised on the Gov. propaganda of how awful the Stasti/East Germany/communist Russia/Hitler's regime was about citizen control,
while WE were the home of the free.
Of course we believed we were "free" back then. Just as we believed hiding under our desks could save us from nuclear attack.

I will not have grandchildren, as it turns out, and am pleased about that in terms of where we are today.

[LiberalArkie]

23. As a kid I had a shortwave radio and listened to BBC, Radio Havana Cuba, Radio Moscow,

Last edited Sun Dec 27, 2015, 10:18 AM - Edit history (1)

Radio Netherlands, VOA and a few others. From the age of 11, I never believed anything I heard at face value. I just juggled everything I heard and my a good guess as to what was going on. I worked after school at the local newspaper and learned that a rich person was never in the news for DWI or beating the wife or kids. I knew they were never arrested when they would run over people. I knew when election came about and the black precincts always voted for the white and never blacks and when 1500 would vote in their precinct and only 400 ballots were totaled. I saw very little different between us and soviet states. Rich people controlled everything and the poor people did not.

[jwirr]

64. Yes, I remember how we complained about the USSR when

they required travel documents of all citizens. How the times have changed.

[Jerry442]

77. Yeah, and those evil Commies...

...snooped on their citizens' mail and phone conversations, jailed people without trials, and marched off to war on nations on lame pretexts.

[jwirr]

80. Yup, all brought to us by the rw. 40+ years of it.

[hfojvt]

10. that's kinda sad

you are 41 (tomorrow) and have never left the US?

Consider getting a passport, we can goto Ireland someday.

Of course, I was trying to goto Liberty yesterday and did not make it. My car started on fire in Platte City.

It's like the curse of Christmas Eve for me.

One Christmas eve a postal worker went kinda berzerk and started yelling cuss words at me (not in the Post Office, I was volunteering at a Youth Center).

Another Christmas Eve some guy threatened to beat me up.

Another Christmas Eve, I was ringing bells for the Salvation Army and an ice storm hit. Froze the lock on my drivers side door and it broke while I was trying to open it. For the next two or three years (before that car died the final death) I climbed in the passenger door (or else jumped through the window like a Duke brother).

Maybe I could even add the Christmas when I walked downstairs and stepped in a pile of dog poop (or was it reindeer poop?) in my bare feet.

Christmas, the most wonderful time of the year. Happy birthday anyway.

And also, feathers or lead?

[xmas74]

16. I have left the U.S.

I haven't had a passport in almost 20 years. I wasn't traveling for a few years and then after the birth of my child I haven't had the chance to travel, even if I could afford it. In order to get a passport for my child I either need permission from my ex (her father) or I have to go in front of a judge and ask for permission, just to get the passport. As of this time it's been far too much hassle.

In 2 1/2 years my kid will be 18 and we will no longer need permission from her father or a judge. At that time we'll both get our passports together and plan a trip outside of the U.S. It's just easier that way.

[cwydro]

57. You don't need permission from anybody to get yourself a passport.

And if you had one before, all you have to do is renew it.

[xmas74]

65. For myself, no

but for my daughter, yes, we need permission. Her father won't give it. I never had a reason to renew before this since I don't travel without her.

[cwydro]

68. Well, I guess you've got a reason now.

Surely dad would consent to daughter having a passport?

I've had one since I was six weeks old.

[pintobean]

12. Same here.

Screw 'em if our IDs aren't good enough. They can just drag all their facilities into the eight border states. I think the Eagleton Courthouse would look great in East St, Louis.

[xmas74]

17. Illinois is another state that is not compliant.

They are going through the same thing on the 10th. The difference is that they didn't pass legislation that purposely thumbed their noses at D.C.

[pintobean]

84. The federal courthouse says a driver's license will still be valid

Missouri driver's licenses are still considered valid identification to enter the federal courthouse in the Eastern District of Missouri in St. Louis, according to the U.S. Marshal's Office in Eastern Missouri.

“At this point in time we are not changing our identification and security procedures in response to the Real ID Act,” according to a statement.

Missouri lawmakers have said they are working on ways to solve a long-running problem with the federal government over state driver's licenses.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/missouri-driver-s-licenses-still-valid-to-enter-federal-courthouse/article_c9540090-735d-5687-b62f-cb17106e091b.html

I would imagine most facilities will do the same. It will get worked out.

[KamaAina]

21. Hawai'i

unless you go on a days-long, pricey cruise.

I thought the Constitution guaranteed citizens the right to travel "between the several States".

[xmas74]

22. In a few short months that won't be the case

if I choose to fly.

[Mariana]

30. You have the right to travel between the several States

on foot. Maybe also on a bicycle or on a horse. That'll be the argument, anyway.

[KamaAina]

41. Or, in this case, an outrigger canoe.

[gratuitous]

24. Mmmmmmaybe (maybemaybemaybe)

If enough Missourians are stopped at military bases and airports and federal courthouses, maybe there will be sufficient ruckus to cause the legislature to re-think its position? Or is Missouri developing an immunity to reason like its neighboring state of Kansas?

[xmas74]

33. They've developed an immunity.

We have some crazies in our legislature right now.

[KamaAina]

42. That'll go over real well at Ft. Leonard Wood!

[xmas74]

48. And Whiteman.

Don't forget them. It's right down the road from my house.

[LiberalElite]

25. Many states including mine (NY) filed for an extension

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REAL_ID_Act#/media/File:REAL_ID_Act_compliance.svg

[xmas74]

36. We had an extention

but it's all over the news now that we will be receiving no more extensions.

[RKP5637]

78. Here's the latest I just read. Wonder if they'll do anything. A lot of people must surely be upset.

http://www.kansascity.com/news/government-politics/article51521050.html

[xmas74]

82. To be blunt

they are pissed off.

[Tab]

26. My passport's expired

why can't you renew yours? I'm not renewing because I don't plan to travel, but... ?

[xmas74]

37. I had no plans to renew it until my child was 18 and able to get one on her own.

I just don't have any plans to travel for the next couple of years since I can't get one for her without permission from my ex or permission from a judge.

We'd planned on doing it together in about 2 1/2 years. There's no reason why Missouri can't get their shit together.

[SheilaT]

31. No. You will still be able to fly.

About half of all states are not Real ID compliant, and I believe the TSA has already said people with valid Drivers Licenses will still be able to fly.

That said, it's not a bad idea to have a passport. I renewed mine a few months ago, and got the passport card at the same time, which I keep in my wallet. It's good for travel to Canada, Mexico, and the Caribbean.

[xmas74]

38. I hadn't planned on needing one until my daughter turned 18 and could

travel without permission from her father. (He won't give consent for a passport.)

I just thought I'd wait until then. It's more about how out of hand my state has become.

[former9thward]

34. Some actual facts from DHS.

Instead of what is being posted.

Do I need a passport for domestic air travel starting January 2016?

A: No. DHS is in the process of scheduling plans for implementing REAL ID enforcement at airports. DHS will ensure that the traveling public has ample notice (at least, 120 days) before any changes are made that might affect their travel planning.

Until enforcement at the airports begins, the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) will continue to accept state-issued driver’s licenses and identification cards from all states, as well other forms of acceptable identification listed on the TSA website.

Can I use my driver’s license to board an aircraft?

Yes. Until otherwise announced, the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) will continue to accept driver’s licenses and state-issued identification cards from all jurisdictions.

DHS will ensure the public has ample advanced notice before identification requirements for boarding aircraft change. That notice will include information on the process for individuals with a non-compliant driver’s license or identification card to be able to travel by aircraft.

What do I need to do if I am visiting a federal facility or a military base?

Starting October 10, 2015, visitors seeking access to military bases and almost all Federal facilities using their state-issued driver’s licenses or identification cards must present proper identification issued by REAL ID compliant states or a state that has received an extension. When planning a visit to a Federal facility or military base, visitors should contact the facility to determine what identification will be accepted.

Every state that has applied for an extension has received it.

So you can fly or go on a military or federal facility.

http://www.dhs.gov/real-id-public-faqs

[xmas74]

39. The news as of today is now saying no, we cannot

go on base or enter federal buildings. It's a huge news story trending now in Missouri.

http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/feds-won-t-accept-missouri-driver-s-licenses/article_01476d07-248b-5b3a-ab3c-aa6db8895db0.html

http://fox2now.com/2015/12/24/feds-wont-accept-missouri-illinois-drivers-licenses-at-federal-facilities/

The letter notifying the state was dated Monday and was received on Wednesday.

People are angry about our lawmakers not getting their crap together.

[former9thward]

46. So where are federal juries going to come from?

Since no one in Missouri can enter a federal building. It is nonsense.

[xmas74]

47. Kansas?

The federal courthouse is in KC. Go make the folks over in Johnson County, KS actually serve-that would be a hoot. We do have eight bordering states. I don't know how far they've thought this through.

Who knows? I still think it's just them thumbing their noses back at us because we have idiots in Jeff City.

[former9thward]

50. What you have posted is not going to happen.

I have posted links to Homeland Security. If you want to continue to believe it then so be it.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

55. Your link states

that to get into federal facilities or military bases, the person must have a Real ID driver's license or be from a state that has an exemption. Since Missouri's exemption is ending, then it looks like the OP is correct regarding entry to federal facilities in her state.

[tammywammy]

58. Courthouses won't require a Real ID for entry.

See my link in post 43

[former9thward]

59. Look, life will be normal in MO.

No one is going to shut down the airports, etc. to those without passports. The things posted in the OP are just not accurate.

[tammywammy]

60. Eventually a Real ID complaint ID will be required for commercial air travel

DHS said it will be announced no later than 120 days before implementation.

[former9thward]

62. This law was passed in 2005.

There have been extensions after extensions and waivers after waivers. Eventually may turn out be be a long time from now. DHS is not going to shut down business in this country. No administration could survive politically. Resolutions against this have been passed by both Democratic and Republican states.

[haele]

85. Most bases use the Real ID system with local vendors to give them base passes.

You should renew your passport or get a passport ID as soon as possible, just because of idiots like this in government.

If you are applying for a job at the base, your renewed passport, an official picture ID (State, Student, Medical, or Employer that requires a background check) with a birth or naturalization certificate and SSI card, should be enough to get you to the point of being hired. Then you'll be able to use the Real ID as official federal identification no matter what the idiots in your state do. Part of setting your account up in RAPIDS/DEERs even as an employee or vendor, your bio-metrics are taken as part of the process and your profile is in effect, "locked in".

If you get called in for an interview, you will need to call and explain that since you have a Missouri Driver's license, you'll need a way to get on base for the day. They'll either need to put you on a visitor's list to get you a temporary pass with the Missouri ID and a birth certificate/Social Security card, or they'll need to get you an escort to go on and off the base.

Good luck with your job interview.

Haele

[rug]

35. As far as I know, you don't need a passport to leave issouri.

[xmas74]

40. But I need one if I want to go on base anytime soon

and might need one if I need to take a friend up to the VA. Heck, that might include the Social Security office.

I'm curious about what it does include.

[leftyladyfrommo]

71. You have a social security card.

Their computers have your whole life history on them. They knew more about me than I did.

But I get Social Security so I have a special I'd just for that

[Snobblevitch]

51. This enhanced ID thing has been an issue in Minnesota where I live.

So far, the media has mostly been concentrating on the point about how a Minnesota ID or DL will not be compliant with TSA.

I will be taking a flight in January, but I do have a valid passport. In Minnesota's case, it appears the extension of the deadline might not happen. We are 'noncompliant'.

I terestingly, I know of a person, who in 2003, travelled into Mexico and returned, with absolutely no ID of any kind, just the word of the people who were also along. Before they went into Mexico, they went to the U.S. authorities, provided ID and SSI numbers and the SSI of the person without ID. The border patrol took them at their word and allowed the return without ID. Of course that wpuld mot happen today.

[tammywammy]

61. At least Minnesota offers the enhanced drivers license which is compliant. n/t

[leftyladyfrommo]

52. Most people here won't be able to go in Federal bldgs.

I would bet that most people don't have a passport. We all use our driver's license.

Federal building is going to be pretty empty.

[xmas74]

67. People seem to think I'm exaggerating.

You've seen it on the news-they're making a bit deal out of it right now.

I really think the reason why they denied us yet another extension is because of the lawmakers in Jeff City thumbing their noses at D.C.

[leftyladyfrommo]

69. So what kind of I'd are we supposed to have?

I have an expired passport but I don't want to carry that around all the time. Would a. Copy of a birth certificate work? Like getting a laminated one?

[aikoaiko]

56. I just got my 10-year old a real ID from our state

I foresee it being an issue in the future and thought it might be useful to have it done ahead of time.

TSA gets a kick out of it when we fly.

[panader0]

63. Apply for a DoD card.

I got one when I was doing work on different bases. There's a background check (if I can pass, so can you.)
No need for permits or anything, just show your card at the gate, they scan it, and you're in.

[xmas74]

66. That's a thought.

It might be the best way around this until everything gets straightened out.

[leftyladyfrommo]

73. How do you apply?

Can you get forms online?

[panader0]

75. I applied for mine on the Navy base at Coronado, San Diego.

My boss knew the drill, but I assume any military base would be OK. It took about 2 to 3 weeks to get approved,
and now I can access any base. I had two old misdemeanor pot arrests on my record--it didn't even show up.

[haele]

86. You can get the forms online, but you need a federal sponsor and/or apply at USaccess center

http://www.fedidcard.gov/


Here's some faqs on current Access:
http://www.dhs.gov/real-id-public-faqs

Rumor: I can’t use my license to access a federal facility or nuclear power plant

Fact: Residents from a noncompliant state without extensions will need to show an alternative form of ID when visiting federal facilities, nuclear power plants and military bases. You can find more information about enforcement here and the most up-to-date information on compliance at http://www.dhs.gov/publication/isc-real-id-guide . If planning a visit to one of these facilities, you should contact the agency in charge to confirm what alternative forms of identification are accepted or what procedures the facility allows for persons without acceptable identification.

TSA:
passengers 18 and over must show valid identification at the airport checkpoint in order to travel.
•Driver's licenses or other state photo identity cards issued by Department of Motor Vehicles (or equivalent)
•U.S. passport
•U.S. passport card
•DHS trusted traveler cards (Global Entry, NEXUS, SENTRI, FAST)
•U.S. military ID (active duty or retired military and their dependents, and DoD civilians)
•Permanent resident card
•Border crossing card
•DHS-designated enhanced driver's license
•Airline or airport-issued ID (if issued under a TSA-approved security plan)
•Federally recognized, tribal-issued photo ID
•HSPD-12 PIV card
•Foreign government-issued passport
•Canadian provincial driver's license or Indian and Northern Affairs Canada card
•Transportation worker identification credential

Forgot Your ID?
In the event you arrive at the airport without valid identification, because it is lost or at home, you may still be allowed to fly. The TSA officer may ask you to complete a form to include your name and current address, and may ask additional questions to confirm your identity. If your identity is confirmed, you will be allowed to enter the screening checkpoint. You may be subject to additional screening.
You will not be allowed to fly if your identity cannot be confirmed, you chose to not provide proper identification or you decline to cooperate with the identity verification process.
TSA recommends you to arrive at least two hours in advance of your flight time to allow ample time for security screening and boarding the aircraft.

Haele

[Snobblevitch]

72. Curiously,

I discovered about an hour ago that I have a valid passport, but no DL. I seemed to have missplaced my wallet. I am 99% sure it is in the house someplace. I went on-line and there has been no recent activity on the one credit and one debit card that I carry. I can get a new DL on Monday and they'll look up the photo on file to verify my identity and I suppose the credit union will accept a passport as ID to replace the debit card. This is a royal PITA. I have driven
myself nuts looking for it. How many times should I check jacket pockets?

The last time something like this happened was several months ago when I missplaced my cell phone. I could hardly even sleep, but a cell phone is easier to replace than a wallet. (I found it in the freezer. I set it on the shelf on the door when getting something out and shut the door. Yes, I've already checked the freezer for my wallet.)

[panader0]

74. You always find it in the last place you look.

[Humanist_Activist]

76. Good thing I have a passport card, I guess I can still get called to Federal Court...

if necessary.

Don't plan on flying anywhere soon.

It sucks our licenses aren't in compliance, can make other things difficult down the road.

[xmas74]

83. Every article I've read the Republicans are still whining and moaning about

how becoming compliant with Real ID just opens the door for a natural ID-and a chance to track their guns. Yep,they are going back to guns.

[former9thward]

87. DHS extends two more years as I knew they would.

And then a new administration will be in power and probably dump it entirely no matter which party.

STATEMENT BY SECRETARY JEH C. JOHNSON ON THE FINAL PHASE OF REAL ID ACT IMPLEMENTATION
SharePrintDate: Friday January 08, 2016 | Source: Transportation Security Administration (TSA)
​Release Date:

January 8, 2016
For Immediate Release
DHS Press Office
Contact: 202-282-8010

Today I announce the schedule for the final phase of implementation of the REAL ID Act. Bottom line up front: Effective January 22, 2018, air travelers with a driver’s license or identification card issued by a state that does not meet the requirements of the REAL ID Act (unless that state has been granted an extension to comply with the Act) must present an alternative form of identification acceptable to the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) in order to board a commercial domestic flight. Over the next two years, those states that are not REAL ID compliant are strongly encouraged to meet the requirements of the law for the benefit of their residents.

http://www.flychicago.com/business/EN/media/news/stories/pages/NewsDetail.aspx?ItemID=1273