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kentuck

(111,106 posts)
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 03:35 PM Dec 2015

What difference does it make to the dead?

“What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy.” -

Gandhi

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What difference does it make to the dead? (Original Post) kentuck Dec 2015 OP
K&R... spanone Dec 2015 #1
It would depend on which survivors you ask . . . Journeyman Dec 2015 #2
The OP was about the Dead. bvar22 Dec 2015 #3
Thanks bvar22. kentuck Dec 2015 #4
Gandhi specifically addresses ". . . the orphans and the homeless . . ." Journeyman Dec 2015 #7
should we pretend that the body count hfojvt Dec 2015 #5
If you're dead... kentuck Dec 2015 #6
so the number edhopper Dec 2015 #8
I think that is delving beyond the point... kentuck Dec 2015 #9
Nothing matters to the dead edhopper Dec 2015 #12
actually it does hfojvt Dec 2015 #10
I don't think that is the point? kentuck Dec 2015 #11

Journeyman

(15,036 posts)
2. It would depend on which survivors you ask . . .
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 03:52 PM
Dec 2015

those from the German 6th Army at Stalingrad would have a decidedly different opinion from those of the 1st Minnesota at Plum Run.

Journeyman

(15,036 posts)
7. Gandhi specifically addresses ". . . the orphans and the homeless . . ."
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 05:45 PM
Dec 2015

and encompasses as well all of the "the mad destruction," the dead as well as the destroyed, while I specifically stated "the survivors." I'll add as well now, the beneficiaries, for those who received through other's sacrifice may have a word or two to add. Or would you see that what was gained at Plum Run was a detriment in some manner or of no value?

You chose to focus on a limited aspect of Gandhi's thought. I addressed its entirety.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
5. should we pretend that the body count
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 05:31 PM
Dec 2015

is the same between totalitarianism and democracy? Between war and peace?

edhopper

(33,604 posts)
8. so the number
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 06:01 PM
Dec 2015

of dead is unimportant.

And why they died is unimportant as well.

Was stopping Nazi Germany worth the cost?

Don't you think at least some those who died knew they might be giving their lives.

kentuck

(111,106 posts)
9. I think that is delving beyond the point...
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 06:05 PM
Dec 2015

...that if you are dead fighting with the Nazis or fighting against the Nazis, you are still dead. Whether or not the dead have different values is another issue, in my opinion.

edhopper

(33,604 posts)
12. Nothing matters to the dead
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 06:25 PM
Dec 2015

they are dead. But I doubt Gandhi was saying that at all, since was not an atheist.
It's about justifying wanton killing.
see: G W Bush.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
10. actually it does
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 06:12 PM
Dec 2015

in any reasonable view it does.

100,000 dead is much much worse than 10 dead.

Unless your point is "don't bother saving 999,990 lives because it won't matter to the dead".

Er, okay.

There is a scene in this movie where an eleven year old boy is shot, and Moreland says "When I knelt next to Charlie, I tried to find some justification, but honor, honor doesn't count for shit when you are looking at a dead little boy. You don't think about names in the book of remembrance or any of that. All you can think of is what a neat little kid he was and how much you are gonna miss him."

Still people will give their lives trying to save others, even one life, even a dog's life. And THAT certainly mattered to them when they were alive.

kentuck

(111,106 posts)
11. I don't think that is the point?
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 06:21 PM
Dec 2015

It may matter to the living but I'm not sure it matters to the dead?

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