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(47,517 posts)
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 01:56 PM Dec 2015

Let's refer to them as DAESH

Another DUer posted a similar suggestions some weeks ago and as I was reading a story in a newspaper that started "Islamic State," i was thinking the same thing.

ISIL, or ISIS is not a state, as much as they'd like it. They are a group of lawless terrorists controlling large areas of Iraq and Syria.

Most European countries refer to them as DAESH which, really, is the same as ISIS but of the Arab acronym. But, according so many stories, from European sources, they hate this term. This is the most recent from NBC News

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-terror/paris-attacks-what-does-daesh-mean-why-does-isis-hate-n463551

Paris Attacks: What Does 'Daesh' Mean and Why Does ISIS Hate It?

When French President Francois Hollande addressed the nation Saturday in the aftermath of the Paris massacre, he vowed that France "will be unforgiving with the barbarians from Daesh."

What is "daesh"?

According to Arabic translator Alice Guthrie, "D.A.E.SH is a transliteration of the Arabic acronym formed of the same words that make up I.S.I.S in English: 'Islamic State in Iraq and Syria', or 'al-dowla al-islaamiyya fii-il-i'raaq wa-ash-shaam'."

It is a term that most Arab states and many European governments use to refer to the Islamic State or ISIS. U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry often uses the term, too.

Depending on how it is conjugated in Arabic, the word can mean "to trample down and crush." But it can also mean "a bigot." ISIS has reportedly threatened to cut out the tongues of anyone it hears using the term.

"It's a derogatory term and not someting people should use even if you dislike them," said Evan Kohlmann, a national security analyst at Flashpoint and a contributor to NBC News. "It would be like referring to Germans as 'Huns.'"

Kohlmann said government officials choose the term to avoid using other, more common, names for the group because of the loaded words in those popular references. Using "Islamic" and "State" together offers legitimacy to the group, some believe, and referring to it as ISIS — short for Islamic State in Iraq and Syria — brings Syria into play.

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Oh, so they are offended. Boo-hoo.

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Let's refer to them as DAESH (Original Post) question everything Dec 2015 OP
DAESHoles Throd Dec 2015 #1
Hollande has been using the term BlueMTexpat Dec 2015 #2
Let's call them something more accurate and meaningful: Saudi and Gulf Country Paramilitary. leveymg Dec 2015 #3
If it bugs them then I'm all for it shadowmayor Dec 2015 #4

BlueMTexpat

(15,370 posts)
2. Hollande has been using the term
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 02:15 PM
Dec 2015

"Daesh" since the get-go.

But US mainstream media and their corporate owners apparently don't believe that term provokes as much anti-Muslim bias to keep the US population terrorized and divided, so they - and too many of our officials who should know better, including all of our Presidential candidates - continue to use IS/ISIL, etc.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
3. Let's call them something more accurate and meaningful: Saudi and Gulf Country Paramilitary.
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 03:29 PM
Dec 2015

Al-Qaeda v2.0 is also accurate.

shadowmayor

(1,325 posts)
4. If it bugs them then I'm all for it
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 03:45 PM
Dec 2015

I usually refer to Daesh as al qaeda 3.0. They're just the son of the son of godzilla, er bin Laden.

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